Hello Everybody,

"You seem ... to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one
which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges
are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others,
the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their
corps ... Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office
for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the
elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal,
knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time
and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made
all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves."
~ Thomas Jefferson, to Donald Trump & all his minions, timeless quote

Just imagine how much fun President Biden and the majority Democratic
Congress will be having playing with our court system ...

--Lee

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Just imagine how much fun President Biden and the majority Democratic Congress will be having playing with our court system ...

Yea! Or more realistically, imagine Trump doing that instead!

But Trump wouldn't do something so unfair to liberals; he knows we're 1/2 & 1/2 in this country, and he's everyone's president.

Joe Biden on the other hand, won't care about the USSC once elected. He acts tough, making voters think that he would pack the court, but in reality, the old man is just a patsy for the DNC. He'll do whatever he feels like doing, and if his past is any indication, that will be a whole lot of nothing.

He threatened to nominate Andrew Cuomo for Attorney General. Does that sound good to you? Do all Democrats smell the same to you?

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Hello Aaron,

Just imagine how much fun President Biden and the majority Democratic
Congress will be having playing with our court system ...

Yea! Or more realistically, imagine Trump doing that instead!

Get real. The orange toad only has some 80+ days left in office.
And he still has an `R' in front of his name.

But Trump wouldn't do something so unfair to liberals; he knows we're 1/2 &
1/2 in this country, and he's everyone's president.

There are patriots and there are traitors.
The orange toad is no patriot.

Joe Biden on the other hand, won't care about the USSC once elected.

Of course not. As chief executive, he will be in control of the
executive branch, not the judicial branch.

He acts tough, making voters think that he would pack the court, but in reality, the old man is just a patsy for the DNC.

As president, he will be titular head of the Democratic party.
Just as a Democrat governor is titular head of the Democratic party
in his/her state. But how would that make Joe Biden, as any Democrat
president, be a "patsy" for the DNC? Clearly, you can come up with
a better theory than that.

He'll do whatever he feels like doing, and if his past is any indication, that will be a whole lot of nothing.

The first thing he will do, in regards to the USSC, is set up
a commission to study the issue for 180 days. Then sit back and
have a listen to what the commission comes up with.

He has publicly stated that he will not seek to limit the terms
of USSC justices. Lifetime is good enough for him, and he finds there
to be no need end that tradition.

Of course, we all realize the orange toad would love to be be
"president for life" - as are a few dictators around the world.
We do have such a thing, in a limited way. Two "lifetime" terms,
as noted in the 22nd Amendment, if served consecutively. After
then, a president has to sit out a "lifetime" before he/she can
do it again.

I do not expect Joe Biden to serve more than two lifetimes.
Kamala Harris, on the other hand, may serve many more ...

He threatened to nominate Andrew Cuomo for Attorney General.

Andrew Cuomo would love to be president. Despite what he told
his brother. But hey. Not to worry. He's a happy single guy, who
can do whatever he wants. With a mansion to entertain the ladies.
So why change a good thing?

Does that sound good to you?

Danny Kaye was the court jester, and the best man qualified
for the job. But he's no longer with us, and unavailable for
the job.

Do all Democrats smell the same to you?

Danny Kaye had orange hair. I am sure he passed the sniff test.

--Lee

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president, be a "patsy" for the DNC? Clearly, you can come up with
a better theory than that.

Refer back to Liberal Policies 101: Prey on the weak. When they aren't weak enough, weaken them some more. And in this case, we'll use a weak old man to sneak far-left politics past him while he's sleeping. One term is all you need to get some of the most dangerous policies enacted.

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president, be a "patsy" for the DNC? Clearly, you can come up with LL>> a better theory than that.

Refer back to Liberal Policies 101: Prey on the weak. When they
aren't weak
enough, weaken them some more. And in this case, we'll use a weak old
man to
sneak far-left politics past him while he's sleeping. One term is all
you need
to get some of the most dangerous policies enacted.

I thought that was the republican tactic - treat every state that didn't vote for you like shit and walk all over them when they request federal emergency help.



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I thought that was the republican tactic - treat every state that didn't vo for you like shit and walk all over them when they request federal emergenc help.

Wow dude, the news reporters in your country are even worse than the liberal ones in the USA.

Trump hasn't treated any states "like shit." He has literally moved mountains for some of his toughest critics, and they are the ones who ignorantly continue to turn their backs on him.

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On 28 Oct 2020, Joacim Melin said the following...

I thought that was the republican tactic - treat every state that didn't vote for you like shit and walk all over them when they request federal emergency help.

Tell us, why do you think that these democratic states are looking for money from the Federal Government?

Could it be that they need money to rebuild after it was torn down, as seen
in classic trek; where the citizens were free from the will of Laundu.
As seen in Classic Trek episode The Return of the Archons.

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On 10-28-20 11:57, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

president, be a "patsy" for the DNC? Clearly, you can come up with
a better theory than that.

Refer back to Liberal Policies 101: Prey on the weak. When they aren't

You mean Trump policies 101.

weak enough, weaken them some more. And in this case, we'll use a weak old man to sneak far-left politics past him while he's sleeping. One
term is all you need to get some of the most dangerous policies
enacted.

In his one (and hopefully only) term Trump has done more damage to
America than any previous president. His latest "accomplishment" is
that he has managed the Covid-19 virus and that we are "rounding the
corner", all just as the number of positive cases hits an all time high
and many hospitals are stretched to the limit.

Dale Shipp
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In his one (and hopefully only) term Trump has done more damage to
America than any previous president. His latest "accomplishment" is

Trump has done more damage to China than any previous president.

Handing cash to terrorist regimes, being a tool for China, boosting inflation, ignoring nuclear threats - you ready to go back to all that because the guy who fixed it all is on the red team?

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In his one (and hopefully only) term Trump has done more damage to
America than any previous president. His latest "accomplishment" is

Trump has done more damage to China than any previous president.

He has alienated China.. but why would he want to do any damage?

Handing cash to terrorist regimes, being a tool for China,
boosting inflation,

How much cash are we talking about here and what regimes?

ignoring nuclear threats -

What nuclear threats have been ignored?

you ready to go back to all that because the guy who fixed it all is on the red team?

Fixes are welcome from any team but I haven't seen any fixes coming out of the Trump administration.

I read a report from the WH yesterday. They say that Donald Trump has ended the pandemic! No, really. They actually published this.

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ignoring nuclear threats -

What nuclear threats have been ignored?

The Iran deal *and* trusting them to honor such deals would be my example of ignoring a nuclear threat.


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He has alienated China.. but why would he want to do any damage?

Trump has angered the People's Republic while defending the American economy. Similar to how we gave Canada the business with their milk. It's not meant as disrespect, it's just meant as "my country first." That's the way it ought to be in every country.

Handing cash to terrorist regimes, being a tool for China,
boosting inflation,

How much cash are we talking about here and what regimes?

There's no clear answer that I can find, but news reports range it between 1.5 billion & 7 billion, referring to taxpayer money that was paid to Iran as a settlement. I respect the world government enough to say that the USA could possibly have been liable in some case, that could happen, however, Obama should have fought to have the payment deferred until Iran abolishes their nukes. Instead, our liberal buddies paid it in full without counter-suing for the nukes. A good Republican, like Trump, won't play that way. With Trump
as our president, any factually known threat to this nation gets a foot in the back door.

ignoring nuclear threats -

What nuclear threats have been ignored?

Obama ignored Kim Jong Un while he played around with nuclear bombs. It was uncomfortable. I'm not saying it's necessarily the USA's responsibility to disarm Kim Jong Un, but it's our responsibility to reach out to him and offer diplomacy.

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On 10-29-20 10:42, Aaron Thomas <=-
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Handing cash to terrorist regimes,

Perhaps you are referring to the fact that Obama returned Iranian money
to Iran? Something that was agreed on by multiple countries.

being a tool for China,

No idea what you might be referring to there.

boosting inflation,

Nor there.

ignoring nuclear threats

How did Obama ignore nuclear threats? He prevented Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

you ready to go back to all that
because the guy who fixed it all is on the red team?

I don't really care which team the president is on -- I care what they
do. Trump has allowed Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Nothing he has
done has prevented North Korea from doing so. His actions with respect
to China have had very bad effects on sectors of the American economy.

He tries to measure his success by the rise in stock market prices, but
the average American has little play in that -- only his rich buddies
and benefactors. And even the market is not doing so good right now.

He has corrupted the Justice Department. He has replaced competent
staff with yes-men who have no or little experience in the areas they
are assigned.

BUT, most importantly, he had totally mishandled the current pandemic at
the cost of American lives. He may well have recovered from his Covid infection with little after effect, but a lot of people did not.
Hundreds of thousands are dead, and hundreds more will be dead by the
beginning of next year. An untold number of people will have lasting conditions from Covid.

I honestly do not see how any reasoned person can support this failed businessman who has much to wound the American way. My opinion has
nothing to do with Red & Blue. I have voted for Republican Presidents
and Governors. But there are many prominent and dedicated Republicans
who are not going to vote for Trump. That says something.

Dale Shipp
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On 10-29-20 16:36, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

ignoring nuclear threats -

What nuclear threats have been ignored?

The Iran deal *and* trusting them to honor such deals would be my
example of ignoring a nuclear threat.

The Iran deal by the previous administration was explicitly to prevent
the current nuclear threat. And the trust was backed up by inspections.
It was working. Iran stopped developing.

Trump killed the deal, and as a result they have resumed and increased
their developement of nuclear weapon capability.

Dale Shipp
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Perhaps you are referring to the fact that Obama returned Iranian money
to Iran? Something that was agreed on by multiple countries.

If Iran owed money to the USA, they would totally pay it in full, right? Helicopter delivery and all that?

Obama should have said "We'll pay when you disarm."

being a tool for China,

No idea what you might be referring to there.

Unequal trade balance ignored by GWB & Obama & fixed by Trump?

boosting inflation,

Nor there.

$15 per hour federal minimum wage Joe Biden?

ignoring nuclear threats

How did Obama ignore nuclear threats? He prevented Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

Ignoring Kim Jong Un & bolstering Iran's nuclear program?

I don't really care which team the president is on -- I care what they
do. Trump has allowed Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Nothing he has

Trump has allowed? He's allowed it as much as previous presidents have. What do you want him to do different? Continue the extortion payments to them?

He tries to measure his success by the rise in stock market prices, but
the average American has little play in that -- only his rich buddies
and benefactors. And even the market is not doing so good right now.

The stock market means a lot to a lot of people, not just the ultra-wealthy. American stocks mean American labor, American jobs, American workers, all having a purpose. A weak stock market means the opposite; or it means the same but for some other country(ies.)

He has corrupted the Justice Department. He has replaced competent
staff with yes-men who have no or little experience in the areas they
are assigned.

We took some of Obama's spies and told them to get lost.

BUT, most importantly, he had totally mishandled the current pandemic at

I must have Trump Fever because I don't see the virus mishandled by the president. There's nothing he could have done differently when you ask conservative scientists. When you ask liberal scientists, they scientifically engineer stuff that the president should have done differently.

and Governors. But there are many prominent and dedicated Republicans
who are not going to vote for Trump. That says something.

I don't see many non-Trump Republicans being open about supporting Biden. What would that do to them politically? They'd be done.

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What nuclear threats have been ignored?

Obama ignored Kim Jong Un while he played around with nuclear bombs. It was uncomfortable. I'm not saying it's necessarily the USA's responsibility to disarm Kim Jong Un, but it's our responsibility to reach out to him and offer diplomacy.

No one was being ingored. Kim Jong Un seems to be courted by trump.

Today, since Donald Trump scrapped the Iran deal, Iran may very well be or soon be a nuclear threat. That doesn't make the world a safer place.

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On 10-30-20 11:25, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

ignoring nuclear threats

How did Obama ignore nuclear threats? He prevented Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

Ignoring Kim Jong Un & bolstering Iran's nuclear program?

He did not ignore NK. Trump bolstered NKs status. Obama curtailed
Iran's nuclear program, Trump reinstated their nuclear program.

and Governors. But there are many prominent and dedicated Republicans
who are not going to vote for Trump. That says something.

I don't see many non-Trump Republicans being open about supporting
Biden. What would that do to them politically? They'd be done.

How about one who was chairman of the RNC, and before that the Lt.
Governor of my state? Others who were prominent in managing campaigns
for Republican candidates. Previous Republican Sec. of State.

Dale Shipp
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Obama ignored Kim Jong Un while he played around with nuclear bombs. It was uncomfortable. I'm not saying it's necessarily the USA's responsibility to disarm Kim Jong Un, but it's our responsibility to reach out to him and offer diplomacy.

No one was being ingored. Kim Jong Un seems to be courted by trump.

I lived it. Obama ignored the crap out of Kim Jong Un. While rogue test missles were being launched by Kim Jong Un, Obama was sitting in the guest seat on the late show not giving a flying one.

Today, since Donald Trump scrapped the Iran deal, Iran may very well be or soon be a nuclear threat. That doesn't make the world a safer place.

The world would be a safer place if the USA made regular payments to Iran? Who would be safer? The USA? What about Israel? Are they gonna be safer with the USA giving Iran more money?
**************************

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I lived it. Obama ignored the crap out of Kim Jong Un. While rogue test missles were being launched by Kim Jong Un, Obama was sitting in the guest seat on the late show not giving a flying one.

Obama didn't go in guns blazing but that doesn't mean NK was being ignored.

Today, since Donald Trump scrapped the Iran deal, Iran may very well be or >> soon be a nuclear threat. That doesn't make the world a safer place.

The world would be a safer place if the USA made regular payments to Iran? Who
would be safer? The USA? What about Israel? Are they gonna be safer with the USA giving Iran more money?
**************************

I don't know what you mean by payments to Iran. I don't think that is happening.

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He did not ignore NK. Trump bolstered NKs status. Obama curtailed
Iran's nuclear program, Trump reinstated their nuclear program.

Obama curtailed Iran's nuclear program? How? I didn't see him to anything diplomatic with them either. He didn't open dialogue with either country and they both were (and still are) a threat. There's no paying Iran to stop from stockpiling nukes. Let Al pay for that if he wants to.

How about one who was chairman of the RNC, and before that the Lt.
Governor of my state? Others who were prominent in managing campaigns
for Republican candidates. Previous Republican Sec. of State.

So you've got 3 votes against Trump right there, but then I've got guys like US Rep Van Drew abandoning the Democratic party, likely bringing support from a trail of voters along with him.

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Obama didn't go in guns blazing but that doesn't mean NK was being ignored.

North Korea (I can say almost for sure) is being monitored by our military and by South Korea for defense reasons, but Obama wasn't open to dialogue with Kim.

So Trump's open to dialogue with Kim - that's great sorta, but it hasn't solved much because Kim is not interested in giving up nukes. At least he knows that he can barter with the USA first before attacking anyone with these nukes - unless Joe Biden gets elected, then it can be inferred that the door is closed, although I hope that's not the case.

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There's no paying Iran to stop from stockpiling nukes. Let Al pay for that
if he wants to.

If I had the economic wherewithall to be a force for good in the world I would do that, but I don't.

Another solution will be needed.

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North Korea (I can say almost for sure) is being monitored by our military and by South Korea for defense reasons, but Obama wasn't open to dialogue with Kim.

Yes, the international community has eyes on North Korea and other countries.

So Trump's open to dialogue with Kim - that's great sorta, but it hasn't solved much because Kim is not interested in giving up nukes. At least he knows that he can barter with the USA first before attacking anyone with these nukes - unless Joe Biden gets elected, then it can be inferred that
the door is closed, although I hope that's not the case.

Even after Trump's involvement with Kim we are in the same place and North Korea continues to test.

If North Korea or Iran were to come to the table a place would be found for them. Even if we disagree with other contries we can have a dialog with them if they will come to the table.

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So Trump's open to dialogue with Kim - that's great sorta, but it hasn't solved much because Kim is not interested in giving up nukes. At least h knows that he can barter with the USA first before attacking anyone with these nukes - unless Joe Biden gets elected, then it can be inferred tha the door is closed, although I hope that's not the case.

If Trump brought Kim to the U.S. with Dennis Rodman we would make Basketball GREAT AGAIN.

I would love to see Rodman and Kim on a one-on-one hoops match,.

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On 10-31-20 08:31, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

He did not ignore NK. Trump bolstered NKs status. Obama curtailed
Iran's nuclear program, Trump reinstated their nuclear program.

Obama curtailed Iran's nuclear program? How?

The Iran nuclear deal had them stop their enriched uranium and nuclear
weapon development. It was working until Trump cancelled the deal. At
which time Iran resumed their nuclear development programs.

How about one who was chairman of the RNC, and before that the Lt. Governor of my state? Others who were prominent in managing campaigns
for Republican candidates. Previous Republican Sec. of State.

So you've got 3 votes against Trump right there, but then I've got
guys like US Rep Van Drew abandoning the Democratic party, likely bringing support from a trail of voters along with him.

You give one junior member of the house who changed parties to become a
Trump supporter -- and who is now losing his race to get elected again
because of that. I gave you more than three senior Republicans, all of
whom are now rejecting Trump and his "policies".

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On 10-31-20 01:48, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

Today, since Donald Trump scrapped the Iran deal, Iran may very well be or soon be a nuclear threat. That doesn't make the world a safer place.

The world would be a safer place if the USA made regular payments to
Iran? Who would be safer? The USA? What about Israel? Are they gonna be safer with the USA giving Iran more money?

The USA is not now, and has not made regular payments to Iran. What
happened was we had to return their money to them. That is not "giving"
Iran money.

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Hello Alan,

I lived it. Obama ignored the crap out of Kim Jong Un. While rogue test
missles were being launched by Kim Jong Un, Obama was sitting in the guest
seat on the late show not giving a flying one.

Obama didn't go in guns blazing but that doesn't mean NK was being ignored.

Had NK sent its military into South Korea would Obama have chosen
to do nothing? Had a nuclear-armed NK illegally annexed part of South
Korea would Obama have simply sat back and done nothing?

That is what he did when Russia sent its military into Ukraine,
and illegally annexed the Ukrainian area of Crimea.

Oh, Obama did impose sanctions on Russia.
And Trump did want to reward Russia by lifting those sanctions.
But other than that ...

Today, since Donald Trump scrapped the Iran deal, Iran may very well be or
soon be a nuclear threat. That doesn't make the world a safer place.

The world would be a safer place if the USA made regular payments to Iran?
Who
would be safer? The USA? What about Israel? Are they gonna be safer with
the
USA giving Iran more money?
**************************

I don't know what you mean by payments to Iran. I don't think that is happening.

It was a refund. Of Iran's own money. Not a bad deal.
Now that they have their own stuff back, they have no
excuse but to sue for peace.

--Lee

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On 01 Nov 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 10-31-20 01:48, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

Today, since Donald Trump scrapped the Iran deal, Iran may very well soon be a nuclear threat. That doesn't make the world a safer place.

The world would be a safer place if the USA made regular payments to Iran? Who would be safer? The USA? What about Israel? Are they gonna safer with the USA giving Iran more money?

The USA is not now, and has not made regular payments to Iran. What happened was we had to return their money to them. That is not "giving" Iran money.

President Trump ripped up the Iran Nuclear Deal for good reason.
This President will not delivering pallets of cash like Obama did.

They chant Death to America, they have supported and have funded terrorism around the globe, they are hostile to Israel.

If Iran gets aggressive with their military, the U.S. military will crush
them as if they were a bug.

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If North Korea or Iran were to come to the table a place would be found for them. Even if we disagree with other contries we can have a dialog with the if they will come to the table.

Let's hope that Joe Biden has more patience than Obama had. Sometimes I think Joe Biden is less careless than Obama, but as Obama once said, "Joe has an ability to f*** things up."

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The Iran nuclear deal had them stop their enriched uranium and nuclear weapon development. It was working until Trump cancelled the deal. At which time Iran resumed their nuclear development programs.

It was a bad deal. Iran was holding the world hostage and they were not allowing inspections, therefore, the nuclear deal was paying Iran to do whatever they want. Iran is not going nuke-free especially if Israel doesn't go nuke-free. Let's try a new deal that gives Iran something they really want, because money isn't good enough.

because of that. I gave you more than three senior Republicans, all of whom are now rejecting Trump and his "policies".

There are several house candidates out there bragging about their Trump endorsements. Are they making a mistake by bringing attention to it? We're gonna see..

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Had NK sent its military into South Korea would Obama have chosen
to do nothing? Had a nuclear-armed NK illegally annexed part of South
Korea would Obama have simply sat back and done nothing?

Very unexpected answer from you! Thanks for shining a light on Obama's cockroachlike behavior. But isn't this bad for the liberal trolling community?

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On 01 Nov 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Had NK sent its military into South Korea would Obama have chosen
to do nothing? Had a nuclear-armed NK illegally annexed part of South Korea would Obama have simply sat back and done nothing?

I don't think so but I am not up on US foreign policy.

That is what he did when Russia sent its military into Ukraine,
and illegally annexed the Ukrainian area of Crimea.

The people of Crimea are divided, some there still want to belong to Russia so that's a hard one to call. If Obama had gone in there with a military force it could have gotten very ugly very quickly.

Oh, Obama did impose sanctions on Russia.
And Trump did want to reward Russia by lifting those sanctions.
But other than that ...

I wouldn't trust Donald Trump with any of this.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 01 Nov 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Let's hope that Joe Biden has more patience than Obama had. Sometimes I think Joe Biden is less careless than Obama, but as Obama once said,
"Joe has anability to f*** things up."

Joe Biden will listen to his advisors who won't be Jared and Ivanka.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Greg,

President Trump ripped up the Iran Nuclear Deal for good reason.
This President will not delivering pallets of cash like Obama did.

Your orange toad has done nothing to discourage Iran from attaining
its nuclear ambitions to make/obtain nukes.

They chant Death to America, they have supported and have funded terrorism around the globe, they are hostile to Israel.

Hezbolla and Hamas pay kids to chant and/or dance on camera
to show the world their dislike for Israel. Does that make all
children "terrorists"? What wrong have the children done, other
than act like fools in front of a camera? At least they got some
candy, or whatever they were paid, for their efforts.

If Iran gets aggressive with their military, the U.S. military will crush them as if they were a bug.

We all know how well GWB's "War on Terror" went. He failed to find
the guy who was responsible for the WTC disaster, then turned around
and started another war so he could win a second term, then lost a
US city to a hurricane.

While it is true the orange toad did not start any new wars, he
did manage to become the first president in history to have lost
a war - the war on the coronavirus. Almost 10 million infected,
with over a quarter of a million of our fellow citizens dead.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

The Iran nuclear deal had them stop their enriched uranium and nuclear
weapon development. It was working until Trump cancelled the deal. At
which time Iran resumed their nuclear development programs.

It was a bad deal.

How good a deal would a nuclear-armed Iran would have been?
That is the alternative. Do you believe Saudi Arabia would have
stood by, allowing its nemesis to threaten them with nukes?
What about Turkey? Remember, Turkey is a member of NATO, and
might decide to invoke a certain section of the charter to
get the USA and the rest of Europe to invade Iran - just for
kicks. And no telling what Israel would do - before anybody
even says a word.

Iran was holding the world hostage and they were not allowing inspections, therefore, the nuclear deal was paying Iran to do
whatever they want.

So, by cancelling the deal, we are now back at square one, when
Iran was able to do its own thing any which way it wanted.

Iran is not going nuke-free especially if Israel doesn't go nuke-free.

What makes you think Iran has nukes? We know Israel does. Pakistan
also has nukes. And India. What if Saudi Arabia decides it wants nukes?
And Turkey could easily acquire them as a member of NATO.

Let's try a new deal that gives Iran something they really want, because money isn't good enough.

A nuclear-free zone in that part of the world? Let them all
have as many nukes as they want to blow themselves up. The war
will not last long.

because of that. I gave you more than three senior Republicans, all of
whom are now rejecting Trump and his "policies".

There are several house candidates out there bragging about their Trump endorsements. Are they making a mistake by bringing attention to it? We're gonna see..

Democrats will retain the House, flip the Senate, and capture
the White House. A trifecta!

--Lee

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Joe Biden will listen to his advisors who won't be Jared and Ivanka.

If Jared & Ivanka are Trump's puppeteers, then call me impressed. I want these two in charge for as long as possible.

Joe's puppeteers are more complex than Jared & Ivanka; he's got Obama's connections to organized crime in Chicago, the DNC who can be bought by autonomous pedophiles with islands, blacksploitation groups who Joe owes a huge debt to, people who wipe asses, big Hollywood rapists like Harvey Winestein, who helped elect him & the ignorant one.

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What makes you think Iran has nukes? We know Israel does. Pakistan

They have nukes. Could you imagine investing that much money into a project only to scrap it because astronaut-cock says "Here's a ton of cash in case you decide to scrap the program?"

A nuclear-free zone in that part of the world? Let them all
have as many nukes as they want to blow themselves up. The war
will not last long.

Nobody wants nuke-free. Everyone wants nukes. It's only a matter of time before the extremists get their hands on that dirty business. Once that happens, any survivors will surely convert to Islam for what it's worth.

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On 01 Nov 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Joe's puppeteers are more complex than Jared & Ivanka; he's got Obama's connections to organized crime in Chicago,

Really? I've not heard of that. Maybe I'll have to tune into fox and catch up.

the DNC who can be bought by autonomous pedophiles with islands,

You talking about Jeffery Epstein, or is that a QAnon thing?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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the DNC who can be bought by autonomous pedophiles with islands,

You talking about Jeffery Epstein, or is that a QAnon thing?

Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein are both prominant donors to Democrat campains. If Epstein were alive today, he'd be donating to Biden's campaign. And if Weinstein weren't in jail, he'd be doing the same.

Sexual predators play an important role in many Democratic elections. In fact, California just recently gave the green light to sex offenders by no longer requiring them to register with their state's sex offender registry. Some sick perverts must be handing some serious cash to liberal politicians in California to get that to become a reality; I bet Chris Rock is one of those guys.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/california-assembly-passes-bill-all owing-some-pedophiles-to-not-register-as-sex-offenders-with-stipulations/artic le_c8497582-edee-11ea-935e-03c280391711.html

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On 01 Nov 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein are both prominant donors to
Democrat campains. If Epstein were alive today, he'd be donating to Biden's campaign. And if Weinstein weren't in jail, he'd be doing the same.

Jeffery Epstein was a friend of Trump and a donor to both republican and democrat politicians. I don't know about Weinstein's leanings but he won't be bothering anyone anymore.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan,

Had NK sent its military into South Korea would Obama have chosen
to do nothing? Had a nuclear-armed NK illegally annexed part of South >LL>Korea would Obama have simply sat back and done nothing?

I don't think so but I am not up on US foreign policy.

Partitions never work. Vietnam was partitioned for decades.
But it was the same people. Impossible to keep them divided
among themselves. Ireland is still divided, but will soon
be united again given the fallout over Brexit. Korea has been
divided for decades, but it is the same people, whose desire
is to become as one country again.

That is what he did when Russia sent its military into Ukraine,
and illegally annexed the Ukrainian area of Crimea.

The people of Crimea are divided,

The people of Ukraine are divided, some of them being stateless
due to the Russian invasion and illegal annexation of their lands.

some there still want to belong to Russia so that's a hard one to call.

The Crimean area of Ukraine is an occupied territory being held
by Russia. The Golan Heights is an occupied territory being held
by Israel. Even though Donald Trump might recognize Crimea as
being a part of Russia, and the Golan Heights as being a part of
Israel, the rest of the world knows better.

Crimea is a part of Ukraine, according to Ukraine and the international community. The Golan Heights is a part of Syria, according to Syria and
the international community.

If Obama had gone in there with a military force it could have gotten very
ugly very quickly.

Had Obama sent in US troops to Ukraine in order to keep Russia from
invading part of Ukraine, Russia would have backed off and there would
have been no more Russian soldiers in Crimea.

Oh, Obama did impose sanctions on Russia. And Trump did want to LL>reward

Russia by lifting those sanctions. But other than that ...

I wouldn't trust Donald Trump with any of this.

Well, there are only two more days before the election.
And then 79 more days of hell before he leaves office.

Unless he does the impossible and stays on like, forever.

--Lee

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Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein are both prominant donors to Democrat campains. If Epstein were alive today, he'd be donating to Biden's campaign. And if Weinstein weren't in jail, he'd be doing the same.

You can still donate from jail, so long as the government has not seized
all of your assets.


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On 02 Nov 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Crimea is a part of Ukraine, according to Ukraine and the international community. The Golan Heights is a part of Syria, according to Syria and the international community.

I agree that what Russia did was criminal but I am not sure going in there with a military force would have solved anything. Military force is an option but it's not a step to be taken lightly and can take years to finish.

Had Obama sent in US troops to Ukraine in order to keep Russia from invading part of Ukraine, Russia would have backed off and there would have been no more Russian soldiers in Crimea.

I'm not so sure. In time this may work itself out.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 01 Nov 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

They chant Death to America, they have supported and have funded terr around the globe, they are hostile to Israel.

Hezbolla and Hamas pay kids to chant and/or dance on camera
to show the world their dislike for Israel. Does that make all
children "terrorists"? What wrong have the children done, other
than act like fools in front of a camera? At least they got some
candy, or whatever they were paid, for their efforts.

Do you hear yourself, they are children, who are chanting?
No Lee, they are far from Children who are chanting "Death to America!"
Not by a long shot. You're someone who wants to blame Trump for everything because "orange man bad."

You apparently have a memory capacity of a 3.5 diskette.

From where I sit, I see promises made and promises kept.

With Trump I have seen the following.
I have seen the stock market break its own record more then a few times.
I have seen the low unemployment among women, blacks as well as other races.
I have seen tremendous support for the black community everything from
the second chance from a life sentence / out in prison, to opportunity zones for urban environments to the funding black colleges well into the next
decade.
I have seen an economy starting to come back after it was shut down
due to the China Virus.
I have seen better trade deals with foreign countries and the elimination of those former deals that allowed the U.S. to be the piggy bank of the world.
I have seen a wall being constructed on the southern border.
I have heard about the members of UN paying up, all due to Trump.
The U.S. Embassy has been est. in Jerusalem, promised and delivered by Trump.

If Iran gets aggressive with their military, the U.S. military will cr them as if they were a bug.

We all know how well GWB's "War on Terror" went. He failed to find
the guy who was responsible for the WTC disaster, then turned around
and started another war so he could win a second term, then lost
US city to a hurricane.

Trump is not W. Donald's fraternity was not Skull & Bones. unlike W.
Of which when looked into this fraternity, it suggests a lot.

While it is true the orange toad did not start any new wars, he
did manage to become the first president in history to have lost
a war - the war on the coronavirus. Almost 10 million infected,
with over a quarter of a million of our fellow citizens dead.

What about the projections that spoke of over 2 million being lost. - killed. As Trump has said "1 is to many" referring to those who have lost their
lives to the virus. I won't say its a victory, but it is clear that what your spouting off here is a over dramatization of what has actually occurred.
10 million infected and how many of that 10 million recover? 10 million..

I see what your attempting but failing miserably to achieve.
You want to portray Trump as a failure but when facts are introduced your rendered as harmless.

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-=[ On 11-03-20 08:01, Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso below: ]=-
-=[ Re: Re: Iran ]=-

Hi Gregory Deyss!

With Trump I have seen the following.
I have seen better trade deals with foreign countries and the
elimination of those former deals that allowed the U.S. to be the piggy bank of the world. I have seen a wall being constructed on the southern border. I have heard about the members of UN paying up, all due to
Trump. The U.S. Embassy has been est. in Jerusalem, promised and
delivered by Trump.

Don't forget, I have seen Trump negotiate peace deals with Israel and her surrounding Arab neighbours... a feat that *no* other president in history has been able to accomplish.

Did you hear about Hunter Biden's laptop that was left at a repair shop that had very incriminating material including pedophilia on it?

Cheers,
Bryan
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With Trump I have seen the following.
I have seen the stock market break its own record more then a few times. I have seen the low unemployment among women, blacks as well as other races. I have seen tremendous support for the black community everything from the second chance from a life sentence / out in prison, to opportunity zones for urban environments to the funding black colleges well into the next decade.
I have seen an economy starting to come back after it was shut down
due to the China Virus.
I have seen better trade deals with foreign countries and the
elimination of those former deals that allowed the U.S. to be the piggy bank of the world. I have seen a wall being constructed on the southern border. I have heard about the members of UN paying up, all due to
Trump. The U.S. Embassy has been est. in Jerusalem, promised and
delivered by Trump.

Under Trump's FDA we are closer to MDMA being approved by the FDA as a viable treatment plan for PTSD!

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Under Trump's FDA we are closer to MDMA being approved by the FDA as a viab treatment plan for PTSD!

Did you hear about "all drugs decriminalized" in Oregon?

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Did you hear about "all drugs decriminalized" in Oregon?

What good is decriminalization without access to quality product?

I'm onboard with a organization known as MAPS.
Yes. Access to Psyhedelics should be a universal human right. Recreational Medical and Religious/Spiritual.

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On 10-30-20, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

On 10-29-20 10:42, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

Handing cash to terrorist regimes,

Perhaps you are referring to the fact that Obama returned Iranian money DS>to Iran? Something that was agreed on by multiple countries.

being a tool for China,

No idea what you might be referring to there.

boosting inflation,

Nor there.

ignoring nuclear threats

How did Obama ignore nuclear threats? He prevented Iran from developing DS>nuclear weapons.

you ready to go back to all that
because the guy who fixed it all is on the red team?

I don't really care which team the president is on -- I care what they DS>do. Trump has allowed Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Nothing he has DS>done has prevented North Korea from doing so. His actions with respect DS>to China have had very bad effects on sectors of the American economy.

He tries to measure his success by the rise in stock market prices, but DS>the average American has little play in that -- only his rich buddies
and benefactors. And even the market is not doing so good right now.

He has corrupted the Justice Department. He has replaced competent
staff with yes-men who have no or little experience in the areas they
are assigned.

BUT, most importantly, he had totally mishandled the current pandemic at DS>the cost of American lives. He may well have recovered from his Covid DS>infection with little after effect, but a lot of people did not.
Hundreds of thousands are dead, and hundreds more will be dead by the DS>beginning of next year. An untold number of people will have lasting DS>conditions from Covid.

I honestly do not see how any reasoned person can support this failed DS>businessman who has much to wound the American way. My opinion has DS>nothing to do with Red & Blue. I have voted for Republican Presidents DS>and Governors. But there are many prominent and dedicated Republicans DS>who are not going to vote for Trump. That says something.

You throw such a flood of lies out here it's hard to decide which one to counter first.


You're either an habitual liar or a registered democrat. Hey wait! Democrats ARE habitual liars! And you `are' a democrat!


Tagline;


"The *H* in the word `democrat' stands for `Honesty'!"





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On 11-04-20, BRYAN HANDFIELD said to GREGORY DEYSS:

Did you hear about Hunter Biden's laptop that was left at a repair shop BH>that had very incriminating material including pedophilia on it?

Yes. But the leftist media made sure to squelch all mention of it in the main stream media.


It got little to no coverage. It wouldn't even be known about except for conservative online media and conservative talk radio.


Look for it to disappear completely soon. Like as soon as Biden gets sworn in, if not sooner.


And you will see no more mention of Biden's Ukraine meddling, either. It will simply `go away'.


Also, look for Congress to think up legislation to squelch conservative publications, online conservative content, and conservative radio. The democrats will strive to smother all conservative conversation (which will be re-classified as `political hate speech)!


We are about to enter an era of great change. Much, if not all, of the Constitution will be either ignored or done away with. Lots of weird leftie court decisions on the way.


Advise people to stock up on non-perishable foods and plenty of ammo for all your firearms. If you don't own a firearm you better buy a few before this coming January 20th. We're gonna need them.


Tagline;


"Antifa and Black Lives Matter; Both claim to be `Antifacist'; yet both try to suppress freedom of expression by violence, vandalism and terror."


Wait!......didn't the Nazis do that?



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Did you hear about "all drugs decriminalized" in Oregon?

What good is decriminalization without access to quality product?

Some of the drugs will suck for a while, but the prices might be able to come down if all the imported ones come in through the Oregon coast. Smugglers
have little to lose.

We've all (most of us) have been in a nervous situation with drugs; like when you get pulled over and you have stuff in your pocket. Could you imagine no longer having to be scared about having 2 pallets of cocaine shrink-wrapped in the back of your pickup?

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Hello Tim,

[..]

We are about to enter an era of great change. Much, if not all, of the >Constitution will be either ignored or done away with. Lots of weird leftie >court decisions on the way.

With a 6-3 ultra-right conservative USSC that is a sure thing!

--Lee

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-=[ On 11-07-20 16:14, TIM RICHARDSON wrote to BRYAN HANDFIELD below: ]=-
-=[ Re: Re: Iran ]=-

Hi TIM RICHARDSON!

Did you hear about Hunter Biden's laptop that was left at a repair shop
that had very incriminating material including pedophilia on it?

Look for it to disappear completely soon. Like as soon as Biden gets
sworn in, if not sooner.

Of course it's going to mysteriously disappear, if that came to light, I highly doubt that he would have got as many votes as he got. I'm Canadian and was hoping for a Trump win because he aligns with a lot of my personal values.

We are about to enter an era of great change. Much, if not all, of the Constitution will be either ignored or done away with. Lots of weird leftie court decisions on the way.

That is precisely what I fear will happen to the American people, but sadly thats where it seems to be going and will happen very quickly once Biden gets officially sworn in.

Cheers,
Bryan
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On 11-07-20 14:01, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

You throw such a flood of lies out here it's hard to decide which one
to counter first.

You're either an habitual liar or a registered democrat. Hey wait! Democrats ARE habitual liars! And you `are' a democrat!

As is typical of you, you do not have the ability to engage in real
discourse and can only hand out insults.

EOT.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 11-07-20 16:14, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Bryan Handfield about Re: Iran <=-

Did you hear about Hunter Biden's laptop that was left at a repair shop
that had very incriminating material including pedophilia on it?

Yes. But the leftist media made sure to squelch all mention of it in
the main stream media.

It got little to no coverage. It wouldn't even be known about except
for conservative online media and conservative talk radio.

It did get just enough coverage to expose it for the Russian plant of disinformation that it was.

Look for it to disappear completely soon. Like as soon as Biden gets
sworn in, if not sooner.

Already has been disappeared since it had no credibility and came from a Russian agent.

We are about to enter an era of great change. Much, if not all, of the Constitution will be either ignored or done away with. Lots of weird leftie court decisions on the way.

Actually, it is the current (soon to be previous) administration that
has ignored the Constitution.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 11-09-20, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 11-07-20 16:14, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Bryan Handfield about Re: Iran <=-

Did you hear about Hunter Biden's laptop that was left at a repair shop BH>that had very incriminating material including pedophilia on it?

Yes. But the leftist media made sure to squelch all mention of it in
the main stream media.

It got little to no coverage. It wouldn't even be known about except
for conservative online media and conservative talk radio.

It did get just enough coverage to expose it for the Russian plant of DS>disinformation that it was.

It is as viable as Hunter Biden having his sorry ass saved by his father threatening Ukraine to get an investigation into his son and the outfit he was working for (make that read *taking monthly bribes from) ended by firing a prosecutor.


BTW.....the FBI had that laptop for a long time before it was even spoken of
in media. So much for our so-called `vaunted' law enforcement agency.


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On 11-09-20, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 11-07-20 14:01, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

You throw such a flood of lies out here it's hard to decide which one
to counter first.

You're either an habitual liar or a registered democrat. Hey wait! Democrats ARE habitual liars! And you `are' a democrat!

As is typical of you, you do not have the ability to engage in real DS>discourse and can only hand out insults.

You twist the truth like a seasoned democrat leftie. These is no `engage in real discourse' with the likes of you. You lack one of the main ingredients
for `real discourse'; Honesty!


Democrats lie, cheat, commit massive fraud, and out and out steal votes.


And you approve of it both by prevaricating about incidents which occur that gin up mobs of `leftist' hate and violence, and approving the underhanded tactics the democrat party engages in to steal elections.


The thing that upsets you about me is I say what I think. I do not buy into
the democrat bullshit. You are a typical democrat; A disgusting liar!
Actually, I've been very `polite' to you. That is; as polite as I can bring myself to be to someone of your stripe.


Oh and by the way....I KNOW you've seen Cross sniping at both myself and
others in this and other echoes, but never a word of rebuke to him over it.


Which demonstrates more of your disgusting democrat leftie bias.




Tagline;


"If I had 8 guns and Biden/Harris take away 7, how many do I have left?

Ans: 48....I had some absentee weapons show up!"





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On 11-09-20, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 11-07-20 16:14, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Bryan Handfield about Re: Iran <=-

Did you hear about Hunter Biden's laptop that was left at a repair shop BH>that had very incriminating material including pedophilia on it?

Yes. But the leftist media made sure to squelch all mention of it in
the main stream media.

It got little to no coverage. It wouldn't even be known about except
for conservative online media and conservative talk radio.

It did get just enough coverage to expose it for the Russian plant of DS>disinformation that it was.

You know...you lie with the regularity of a pig shittin' in its own sty!


But...I'm not here to answer this exact post of yours; I'm here to post up a few little bothersome (to `democrats' that is) info I recently to rub in leftie's faces (yours in particular).



Here's one I found today you'll probably hate. I don't usually DL a packet and post up replies more than about one a week anymore. But I thought I better get my whacks in before you and Janis put the banned on me for another year (I
know you're itching to).


So....read this:









"We're Fixin' to Overturn the Results of the Election in Multiple States!"

Sidney Powell Releases the Kraken


By Joe Hoft
Published November 15, 2020 at 9:57am




Sidney Powell said a few days ago that she would "Release the Kraken'. Today she and Rudy Giuliani did just that on Sunday Morning Futures with Marie Bartiromo.


A couple days ago attorney Sidney Powell was on Lou Dobbs where she stated
that there was massive fraud in the 2020 US election. She then noted that she would soon "Release the Kraken"!


This morning Powell shared the following on Mornings with Maria:


TRENDING: Sidney Powell Drops a BOMB on Sunday Morning Futures: CIA May have Used Dominion for Its Own Benefit - Gina Haspel Should be Fired Immediately!


We're fixin' to overturn the results of the election in multiple states, and President Trump won by not just hundreds of thousands of votes but by millions of votes that were shifted by this software that was designed expressly for that purpose. We have sworn witness testimony of why the software was designed. It was designed to rig elections. He was fully briefed on it. He saw it happen in other countries. It was exported internationally for profit by the people that are behind Smartmatic and Dominion.


They did this on purpose. It was calculated and they've done it before. We have evidence from 2016 in California. We have so much evidence I feel like it's coming in through a fire hose.”


Buckle your seat this is gonna get fun.


EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Attorney Marc Elias Was Behind Not One, But Two Actions Messing In Georgia's Election


Will BIG TECH and BIG MEDIA Be Held Accountable for Colluding with the Democrats In 2020 Election Fraud?


WE CAUGHT THEM! Part 3: SAME IMPOSSIBLE BALLOT RATIO Found in Milwaukee - Results Change Wisconsin Election - 30,000 Votes Switched from President Trump to Biden


GET READY: The Show Is Just Starting - Democrats Rigged the Voting Machines, They Attempted a Steal - And They Got Caught


Tagline;


"The trouble with Chinese tyranny is, you gobble up a democracy and you are hungry an hour later!"


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On 11-09-20, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 11-07-20 14:01, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

As is typical of you, you do not

Here's another one......



Lin Wood Files Lawsuit Challenging Georgia's Secretary of State's Dark Unconstitutional Agreement with Hillary Attorney Marc Elias


By Joe Hoft
Published November 14, 2020 at 10:45am


The country is just being introduced to Georgia Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger. We are also beginning to uncover the corrupt actions he has taken to steal the 2020 election for the Democrats. Soon the whole country will know him and his actions.

On March 6, 2020 the Georgia Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, signed off on a secret legal agreement with the Democratic Party
of Georgia, the Democrat Senatorial Campaign Committee, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee to alter absentee ballot procedures in Georgia.


The Democrats' attorney for this secret deal was Marc Elias from Perkins Coie, the consigliere of Hillary Clinton who has been busy managing other secretive Democratic election operations all across the country. (In Appendix A of Lin Wood filing yesterday is a copy of the agreement See below.)


Attorney L. Lin Wood, Jr. who is a resident and legal voter of the state of Georgia, filed a legal complaint yesterday against not only Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, but also against the members of the Secretary of State's State Board of Elections for getting into this agreement.


TRENDING: Sidney Powell Drops a BOMB on Sunday Morning Futures: CIA May have Used Dominion for Its Own Benefit - Gina Haspel Should be Fired Immediately!


Wood tweeted about his lawsuit yesterday against the Georgia Secretary of
State and Election Board based on their unconstitutional actions in the election:


I filed a lawsuit today in federal court in Atlanta to establish that the
March 6, 2020 Consent Agreement by the GA Secretary of State rendered UNLAWFUL the 11/3 GA general election.


I am right under established law. https://t.co/3FBMWlPDmC


Lin Wood (@LLinWood) November 13, 2020


The lawsuit filed by Wood argues that the Secretary of State and the Election Board changed the manner in which absentee ballots were counted which they had no right to sign.


Do you think Democrats cheated in the election? (Short answer: YES!)


The right to change election processes lies with the legislature and not the Secretary of State or the Judiciary:


Wood argues in his lawsuit that given that Raffensperger had no legal
authority to sign this legal document, Wood is asking of the Court, in his Prayer For Relief, the following:


(a) That, as a result of Defendants' violations of the United States Constitution and violations of other federal and state election laws, this Court should enter an order, declaration, and/or injunction that prohibits Defendants from certifying the results of the 2020 general election in Georgia on a statewide basis;


(b) Alternatively, that, as a result of Defendants' violations of the United States Constitution and violations of other federal and state election laws, this Court should enter an order, declaration, and/or injunction prohibiting Defendants from certifying the results of the General Elections which include the tabulation of defective absentee ballots, regardless of whether said ballots were cured;


(c) Alternatively, that, as a result of Defendants' violations of the United States Constitution and violations of other federal and state election laws, this Court should enter an order, declaration, and/or injunction that the results of the 2020 general election in Georgia are defective as a result of the above-described constitutional violations, and that Defendants are
required to cure said deficiencies in a manner described in the Litigation Settlement; and


(d) Any and other such further relief that this Court or the Finder of Fact deems equitable and just.


Raffensperger is now running a bogus recount where signatures are not being challenged:


What's Going On In Georgia? Demand the Governor and Secretary of State Perform a Legitimate Recount!


It's clear that Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger signed an agreement which permitted the state of Georgia to have its election tampered with which would swing the election to the Democrats. This corrupt deal with Hillary's attorney Elias is now being uncovered. It never should have been signed in
the first place.


EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Attorney Marc Elias Was Behind Not One, But Two Actions Messing In Georgia's Election


Will BIG TECH and BIG MEDIA Be Held Accountable for Colluding with the Democrats In 2020 Election Fraud?


"We're Fixin' to Overturn the Results of the Election in Multiple States!" - Sidney Powell Releases the Kraken


WE CAUGHT THEM! Part 3: SAME IMPOSSIBLE BALLOT RATIO Found in Milwaukee - Results Change Wisconsin Election - 30,000 Votes Switched from President Trump to Biden


GET READY: The Show Is Just Starting - Democrats Rigged the Voting Machines,

They Attempted a Steal - And They Got Caught


Tagline;


"Are we going to have to sit through GOP doing investigations for the next
four years?" .....Joy Reid.....(Why not! We sat through `democrat' investigations and a false impeachment these LAST four years!)



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On 11-09-20, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 11-07-20 14:01, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

You throw such a flood of lies out here it's hard to decide which one
to counter first.

You're either an habitual liar or a registered democrat. Hey wait! Democrats ARE habitual liars! And you `are' a democrat!

..... you do not have the ability to engage in real
discourse and can only hand out insults.

You insult, belittle and disparage those you dislike and have done so ever since I first ran into you here in Fido. For a long time I was able to ignore you pretty much because you never aimed any of your bullshit at me.


When you started including me in your leftist hatred of conservatives, you got pissed at me because I didn't just sit here and take it without speaking up.


Thats what bothers you (and Kracht, too) about me; I speak up to you! You
don't like that. Thats why I do it. Because I know it bothers you that I don't sit on this side of my monitor and let all that leftist bullshit the two of
you spout go by unchallenged.


Here's another one I hope gets under your leftie skin;




A Cautionary Note to Antifa and BLM Thugs Contemplating "Civil War"�


November 15, 2020


"Civil war" has been a term much in use by both the Left and the Right these days. Try a web search on "civil war in America 2020,"� and the result is dozens/hundreds of links to commentators speculating about the "coming war between Left and Right and who will ignite the spark"� (and a lot of other related themes). The Left claim that "white supremacist and white nationalist militias" will get things started, and the legacy media have produced dozens
of articles "investigating"� militias and propagating that false narrative. One of the latest investigative reports on Oath Keepers and militias along those lines was published in the November issue of The Atlantic. It conveys the leftwing view of militias: crazy, fringe, gun-toting elements itching to start a civil war, and whom polite society should shun (and then disarm at the very least).


Funny how no "right-wing militia" has been responsible for the unchecked violence in Democrat-run cities and states over the past nine months. How many militia types have looted and set fires to businesses, obstructed public safety, illegally trespassed on private property, trashed public streets, and attacked video journalists and others? That would be the province of the left-wingers associated with Antifa and Black Lives Matter, not the militia movement. And as Twitter personality Rising Serpent reminds us, conservatives and Trump supporters (or, "right-wingers,"� as the Democrat-media complex refers to us) don't riot or commit acts of violence, with the most recent example being yesterday's march of Trump supporters in Washington, DC:


And not a single building burned, not a single cop assaulted and not a single shop looted.


One could further argue that the Antifa/BLM rioting to date has been merely a dress rehearsal and practicing of unit-level tactics in preparation for the "real deal," as their advocates have been announcing on social media in the run-up to the election. Here is what Newsweek reported on 20 October about
"200 protests already planned." The likelihood that those people have
dispersed given the current state of the contested election is exceedingly
low. In fact, they came out with a vengeance just last night in Washington,
DC, to attack Trump supporters.


What will happen when President Trump is certified the winner after the
massive electronic voter fraud by Dominion Systems et al has been fully exposed? I find this short video instructive toward that end, as it focuses on the emotions of people that are being exploited - especially in the Left - and how a civil war or insurrection might start. Control the narrative; control
the people. That is what the legacy media have been doing since "declaring"� Joe Biden the winner despite the lack of certification by states that would give him the necessary 270 Electoral College votes to win. This video is a primer on how a "civil war"� could be initiated:


I maintain that the militia movement is completely different than the caricature that the legacy media have made it out to be. Except for truly fringe elements in tiny numbers that are massively exaggerated by the Democrat-media complex, they are NOT "white supremacists and Nazis"� but rather are well-disciplined and well-trained patriots who love and respect the Constitution and our Republic, and who are not about to let the Left destroy everything dear to them. Many are veterans and current or former law enforcement officers, too. Others are simply concerned citizens, avid hunters, and normal Americans who are aghast at the lawlessness displayed in America's cities this past year by Antifa and BLM hoodlums.


To elaborate further on the militia movement, as well as to provide a cautionary note to those on the Left planning violent insurrection in the US,
I asked a pal to weigh in on his thoughts and direct experiences with American militias. He is former Army special forces and a former CIA operative/contractor who has fought on the ground in insurgencies all over the world throughout his career. He is in and around the militia movement and
knows a LOT of people therein, as well as their motivations, training, experience, etc. Here is what the man known to a select few as "Spear One"� had to say:


The American civil militia movement is the largest and best trained para-military force in the history of the world. The elements of which
militias are compromised are as follows (Note: None of the below includes the small numbers of White Supremacist or Racist Groups.):


Veterans. There are large numbers of veterans that have learned of war, and especially unconventional war, during our long years pretending to fight the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan (referred to as "Afghaniraq"�). Their skills learned in the formal training and in operations and their informal (unconventional) training at the hands of the enemy (that operate from the manuals and training supplied to Iran, pre-Islamic Republic, by both the U.S. Army Special Forces and the CIA). These vets have labored through the worse
run combat operations America has ever fostered due to poor leadership micro- managed directly from Washington (US political leadership is more attuned to the bleating of the Washington Post then the needs of their troops or the requirements that must be met to win any kind of war). This poor leadership
was adversely amplified by Rules of Engagement that negated any possibility to win, or even break even, in counter-insurgency warfare. These vets, between repeated rotations back to Afghaniraq spent their time taking care of each other (as the military did not understand their needs or would spend precious budget on soldier "life-cycle"� systems support to little effect. These vets are literally chomping at the bit to tear into an obvious enemy of the US, namely, the socialists and anyone simple-minded enough to carry the socialist banner. Add in NO ROE and learned practices by terminal control of the target populations as taught by the Iranian-led Iraqi and Afghan insurgents. During their time between deployments, these troops were buying 4-Wheel-Drive vehicles, world class sniper rifles, world class combat pistols and world
class (semi-automatic) military quality light rifles - and practicing maintenance, marksmanship, and putting aside fairly large amounts of
ammunition (close at hand at this moment).


Large numbers of retired Special Operations Forces (or those with expired
terms of service) that are prepared and trained to organize and lead Civil Militia forces. Add to the veterans core the large numbers of talented folks who are combat engineers who are not only trained and experienced at building and fixing, but are inventive and talented at breaking anything placed in
their way.


One does not need explosives to conduct demolitions - heavy construction equipment, fire and good ol' 7.62 ammo are better than adequate to destroy anything that needs "interdiction"� to support the goals of a counter- insurgency. These folks are organizing right now, and many are in lock-step with their local sheriff's office and nearby active military units. Let us not forget those special operations personnel that matriculated into the Intelligence Community

.
All of their skills lying dormant while in the military were exercised while with the IC. These folks know how to deal with anything the government dishes out.


The National Guard. I am out of touch with that element but my experience in the past and limited contact now (Intel and Special Forces Guard and Reserve units) indicates that many, if not most, Guard units will "go over"� to the militia once such militia stands up after the leftists start their insurrection. Reserve units would simply dissipate as their more effective members also head to the militia. Consider the possibility that these guys go over WITH their equipment.


To explain: the feds show up with armored vehicles; the "new"� Guard shows up with Bradley IFV's and M1A1 Abrams tanks. And having drawn the accessory equipment and ammo time after time for training purposes, these guys know
where to go to gear up. And even if without ammo, both vehicles trump police vehicles and provide good platforms to fight from utilizing small arms.


NOTE - the Intel and planning elements included above far outstrip that of the federal government in any given locale. and soon after standing up a non-electronic communications system would link all large formations in a way that totally negates the ability of modern monitoring, In fact, they will use government monitoring to run fakes and lure government elements into traps.
Yes - these guys know that armed couriers rule, and that internet, cell and telephonic commo is for fools or baiting the enemy.


The active duty military. This subject is staged. First of all, realize that even if the military stays disengaged there will be yuuge AWOL numbers as the most dedicated patriots in the military head home to join their fathers, uncles, brothers and friends in the militia. Second - once (if) deployed against civilians, that AWOL rate doubles the first week - now taking their equipment with them. Third - as seen in the past in Third World countries - there is the reality that at the unit level, the national headquarters (Pentagon) is not in charge. A rebellion at the O-4 and down levels would see serious large armed elements going over - with equipment - prepared to do what has to be done. The combat vets on active duty are known for fully understanding the "defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic" portion
of their oath, and I have witnessed many of them stating that this is the "One Oath to Rule Them All". (This the view of this ground-pounding spec ops vet.)


Civilians. Although mostly not prior service, there are MILLIONS of civilians who feel strongly about the country and are prepared to stand up at the moment it makes sense to do so. Large numbers of these folks own a good hunting rifle that is the equivalent of any but the most specialized military sniper rifle. Since 2008, these folks have also been purchasing military quality rifles and combat pistols. Civil training schools that specialize in close quarters
combat training (often touted as "self-defense training"�) have opened in all but the New England states. Many of these training organizations are quite large and staffed by prior military and LEO types, and most are fully booked all year long (okay, they close down for Christmas). This able and available civil force can fairly easily be absorbed into the above active and veteran militia after the Left initiates their insurgent actions. Also understand that there are untold billions of rounds of ammunition on hand with reloading of battlefield components a real resource. Speaking of ammunition, battle field recovery is well understood, and one must know that the trunk of every
official LEO vehicle is a treasure trove of support items to include firearms and ammunition. There is enough ammunition on hand already to eradicate all known leftist/socialist threats and their add-on elements (i.e., the media, Islamic elements, LEOs siding with the socialists, and any federal officers attempting to interfere with militia actions that are required to end all socialist threats and actions and restore confidence in the federal government to the people of the US).


Relatives and support systems. Finally, as with all successful resistance forces, there is a large support element backing the militias - pre-screened
by blood and life-long friendships. These provide surveillance, safe havens, transport, logistics, and hospital services. (This is the real reason the
Nazis or Soviets - heck, even the Romans, back in the day - would go after family members well into 2-3 degrees of separation from a person they had caught and imprisoned/executed for anti-government actions.)


"Spear One"� then provided this summary of the nominal goals of the militia movement:


The civil militia goal is to clean house once the Left initiate their insurrection in the streets - to harshly dispense with the violent rioters and looters, to protect people and their property, and to send surviving local, state and federal government officials who failed to obey their oaths to enforce public safety home and demand elections for their immediate replacement. (Not change the structure of government - simply to clean it out and reset as near to founding documents as possible.) A side bar to the goal
is that for the next 200 years, no one in Washington D.C. or the state
capitols will be eager to risk another uprising, keeping in mind that humans will always require regrooving at intervals - just as Thomas Jefferson once said:

"And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let
them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."


Tagline;


"If Ur Faith is Big Enough Facts Don't count!" ....Victory Tabernacle Holiness Church




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You know...you lie with the regularity of a pig shittin' in its own sty!

Please let's not be crude to one another.

Here's one I found today you'll probably hate. I don't usually DL a packet and
post up replies more than about one a week anymore. But I thought I better get
my whacks in before you and Janis put the banned on me for another year (I know you're itching to).

Dale and Janis do not moderate this echo. Thanks.


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On 11-15-20 18:52, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Iran <=-

Did you hear about Hunter Biden's laptop that was left at a repair shop
that had very incriminating material including pedophilia on it?

Yes. But the leftist media made sure to squelch all mention of it in
the main stream media.

It got little to no coverage. It wouldn't even be known about except
for conservative online media and conservative talk radio.

It did get just enough coverage to expose it for the Russian plant of
disinformation that it was.

You know...you lie with the regularity of a pig shittin' in its own
sty!

And once again you prove your ability by ignoring the topic, casting out
a spurious and false insult, then only to toss out some other vague and
vacuous conspiracy theory that has already been debunked. Why don't you
learn to have an honest debate based on real facts?

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 11-15-20 20:12, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

..... you do not have the ability to engage in real
discourse and can only hand out insults.

You insult, belittle and disparage those you dislike and have done so
ever since I first ran into you here in Fido. For a long time I was
able to ignore you pretty much because you never aimed any of your bullshit at me.

When you started including me in your leftist hatred of conservatives,
you got pissed at me because I didn't just sit here and take it without speaking up.

I do not insult nor belittle people. I do give responses to
speculations with real facts. I disparage bad statements, not people.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 11-15-20 18:52, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Iran <=-

Did you hear about Hunter Biden's laptop that was left at a repair shop
that had very incriminating material including pedophilia on it?

Yes. But the leftist media made sure to squelch all mention of it in
the main stream media.

It got little to no coverage. It wouldn't even be known about except
for conservative online media and conservative talk radio.

It did get just enough coverage to expose it for the Russian plant of
disinformation that it was.

You know...you lie with the regularity of a pig shittin' in its own
sty!

And once again you prove your ability by ignoring the topic, casting
out
a spurious and false insult, then only to toss out some other vague
and
vacuous conspiracy theory that has already been debunked. Why don't
you
learn to have an honest debate based on real facts?

He's a republican?


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On 11-17-20 19:29, Joacim Melin <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Iran <=-

On 11-15-20 18:52, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Iran <=-

And once again you prove your ability by ignoring the topic, casting
out
a spurious and false insult, then only to toss out some other vague
and
vacuous conspiracy theory that has already been debunked. Why don't
you
learn to have an honest debate based on real facts?

He's a republican?

Actually, I have my doubts that he is truly a republican. The
republicans I know (e.g. the governor of my state, a previous Lt.
governor) are all reasonable men of integrity and decency. They would
not be caught dead spewing the sort of diatribe that Trumpers engage in.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 11-16-20, MIKE POWELL said to TIM RICHARDSON:

You know...you lie with the regularity of a pig shittin' in its own sty!

Please let's not be crude to one another.

Here's one I found today you'll probably hate. I don't usually DL a packet

and

post up replies more than about one a week anymore. But I thought I better

get

my whacks in before you and Janis put the banned on me for another year (I know you're itching to).

Dale and Janis do not moderate this echo. Thanks.

True enough. However they are (or `were') some sort of high muckety-mucks in Fido. Such that, the last time I drew attention to one of their (make that
read `Kracht') lies and distortions, they got various sysops to lock me out, which lasted almost two years.


After about six or eight months one sysop (whom I will not name) fixed it so I could dl .qwk packs and `read' echoes, but it was a long long time before I
was allowed to `post' in here again.


Shipp was one who came up with the `fix' to lock me out.


Kracht used her Fido `whip' to bring most of the sysops in zone one into compliance with her.


To their everlasting credit, there were many sysops both here in zone one and in Europe who would have allowed me to read and post from their boards. Also one or two in Australia (Drummond was one of them) offered to let me read and post from their boards. However, I could never overcome the software problems since I use an ancient (Durangomail) type of OLR, and could never get any comparable software to work. And I'm not what you'd call a computer `guru'.


Tagline;


"Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941: Japanese `flyover' was mostly peaceful."





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On 11-17-20, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 11-15-20 18:52, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Iran <=-

Did you hear about Hunter Biden's laptop that was left at a repair shop BH>that had very incriminating material including pedophilia on it?

Yes. But the leftist media made sure to squelch all mention of it in
the main stream media.

It got little to no coverage. It wouldn't even be known about except
for conservative online media and conservative talk radio.

It did get just enough coverage to expose it for the Russian plant of DS>disinformation that it was.

You know...you lie with the regularity of a pig shittin' in its own
sty!

And once again you prove your ability by ignoring the topic,

Actually, I'm pretty much ignoring `you'.



Tagline;


"Footnote on toetag: `I can't breathe (Because my autopsy concluded I had
taken lethal doses of fentanyl and methamphetamine)'!"





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On 11-17-20, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 11-15-20 20:12, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Not So Supreme Court <=-

..... you do not have the ability to engage in real
discourse and can only hand out insults.

You insult, belittle and disparage those you dislike and have done so
ever since I first ran into you here in Fido. For a long time I was
able to ignore you pretty much because you never aimed any of your
bullshit at me.

When you started including me in your leftist hatred of conservatives,
you got pissed at me because I didn't just sit here and take it without speaking up.

I do not insult nor belittle people. I do give responses to
speculations with real facts.

You belittle people as `though' you aren't. A little trick lefties seem to
have a lock on.

I disparage bad statements, not people.

You `disparage' any statements, bad or good, and come off with an attitude you `know it all', and others (conservatives, that is) know nothing.


You have an insulting demeanor. (I think its deliberate)


I've read yur posting method toward those who do not have `your' view on
things for a long time. You aren't as `smart' as you think you are.


Tagline;


"Ever notice that a photo of an Antifa/BLM gathering and a photo of a group of zombies both look the same?"






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On 11-21-20 20:33, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: Iran <=-

my whacks in before you and Janis put the banned on me for another year (I know you're itching to).

Dale and Janis do not moderate this echo. Thanks.

True enough. However they are (or `were') some sort of high
muckety-mucks in Fido. Such that, the last time I drew attention to one
of their (make that read `Kracht') lies and distortions, they got
various sysops to lock me out, which lasted almost two years.

Janis was Z1C, but no longer. I have never been anything other than a
sysop running a BBS for my users and myself.

Shipp was one who came up with the `fix' to lock me out.

I have no idea where you came up with that falsehood. I had nothing to
do with getting you locked out -- you must have brought that onto
yourself.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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Fido. Such that, the last time I drew attention to one of their (make that read `Kracht') lies and distortions, they got various sysops to lock me out

It's funny when I hear people mention Janis Kracht in here, because I've never seen her post anything in here in the past few years except for a recent message where she was disagreeing with me about BLM burning down a playground in upstate NY.

This lady has made an impact on many of you. I wasn't around during the year that she was relevant :)

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It's funny when I hear people mention Janis Kracht in here, because I've never >seen her post anything in here in the past few years except for a recent >message where she was disagreeing with me about BLM burning down a playground >in upstate NY.

I don't think I have ever seen her post here. Are you sure you were not disagreeing with her somewhere else?


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I don't think I have ever seen her post here. Are you sure you were not disagreeing with her somewhere else?

It was either All Politics or Politics Unlimited. She emerged from the musty swamp water :)

Just joking with you Janis! Democrats are people too.

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Hello Aaron,

Fido. Such that, the last time I drew attention to one of their (make

that

read `Kracht') lies and distortions, they got various sysops to lock me

out

It's funny when I hear people mention Janis Kracht in here, because I've never
seen her post anything in here in the past few years except for a recent message where she was disagreeing with me about BLM burning down a playground
in upstate NY.

This lady has made an impact on many of you. I wasn't around during the year
that she was relevant :)

She was, is, and hopefully will remain just an ordinary nodelist
clerk. Just like all the other ordinary nodelist clerks in fidonet.

Of course, Tim is claiming she has somehow managed to become an
extraordinary nodelist clerk and is so powerful that not even
superman could stop her if he wanted to.

But nothing to worry about. No ordinary nodelist clerk has ever
managed to accomplish that feat. So all is good. Superman is not
dead. And still never kills.

--Lee

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On 04 Nov 2020, Bryan Handfield said the following...

With Trump I have seen the following.
I have seen better trade deals with foreign countries and the elimination of those former deals that allowed the U.S. to be the pig bank of the world. I have seen a wall being constructed on the southe border. I have heard about the members of UN paying up, all due to Trump. The U.S. Embassy has been est. in Jerusalem, promised and delivered by Trump.

Don't forget, I have seen Trump negotiate peace deals with Israel and her surrounding Arab neighbours... a feat that *no* other president in
history has been able to accomplish.

True, if this were a democrat accomplished this, there would a parade for
every down every Main Street.
But a democrat did do this Donald Trump did, not bad for a man who they have said would never be President.

Did you hear about Hunter Biden's laptop that was left at a repair shop that had very incriminating material including pedophilia on it?

Yeah and he was a Coke head, and into child porn, can't make this stuff up.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Bryan Handfield <=-

Yeah and he was a Coke head

Have you seen Don Jr and the ex Mrs. Newsom lately?


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Hello Mike,

It's funny when I hear people mention Janis Kracht in here, because I've
never
seen her post anything in here in the past few years except for a recent
message where she was disagreeing with me about BLM burning down a
playground
in upstate NY.

I don't think I have ever seen her post here. Are you sure you were not disagreeing with her somewhere else?

Why not invite her to participate? She would be welcome by me, and
by most everybody else here. Those who do not wish to read her posts
can always use their next key. So what's the problem?

--Lee

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Of course, Tim is claiming she has somehow managed to become an
extraordinary nodelist clerk and is so powerful that not even
superman could stop her if he wanted to.

You know that your story (hated by Janis, has to post from Zone 2 to get access) and Tim's (hated by Janis, banned from everywhere in Z1) are
remarkably similar.


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On 24 Nov 2020, Kurt Weiske said the following...

Gregory Deyss wrote to Bryan Handfield <=-

Yeah and he was a Coke head

Have you seen Don Jr and the ex Mrs. Newsom lately?

Why do you ask? Do you know something that I should know about there whereabouts.

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Why not invite her to participate? She would be welcome by me, and
by most everybody else here. Those who do not wish to read her posts
can always use their next key. So what's the problem?

Why does she need an invitation? How much worse than Dan Cross can she be?

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On 24 Nov 20 16:36:00, Mike Powell said the following to Lee Lofaso:

You know that your story (hated by Janis, has to post from Zone 2 to get access) and Tim's (hated by Janis, banned from everywhere in Z1) are remarkably similar.

Upon wearing the ZC hat, I offered Lee the troll a node number and pretty much guaranteed him a listing if he could get a functioning mailer on-line that
was able to exchange Netmail. He would come up with every excuse on the
planet why he couldn't. Or he was on some sort of "Sysop probation status", whatever that means. Regulations must be tough for a Sysop in Abba-land.

Nick

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Hello Mike,

Of course, Tim is claiming she has somehow managed to become an
extraordinary nodelist clerk and is so powerful that not even
superman could stop her if he wanted to.

You know that your story (hated by Janis, has to post from Zone 2 to get access) and Tim's (hated by Janis, banned from everywhere in Z1) are remarkably similar.

There is a difference in spinning a tale and pulling a fast one.
Spinning a tale is a fabrication. Pulling a fast one is far more
devious.

What I did was pull a fast one on Janis K. and her lackey, Ross C.

Let them think they had succeeded in getting rid of me.
I had actually never left, but had been limiting my posts
to the Coffee Klatsch echo on a BBS in Zone 1.

Then I started posting messages in the Fidonews echo.
From a BBS in Australia. That is what prompted the editor
of the Fidonews (Frank Vest) to hand over the baton to Bj�rn
Felten rather than to Ross C., and then shut down his own
BBS.

Ross C. never forgave Frank Vest for not having appointed
him as editor of the Fidonews. That echo was supposed to belong
to Ross C., and nobody else. Especially a Swede.

So Ross C. tried to make a deal with Bj�rn Felten. Ross C.
would be "editor" for those posting in Zone 1, and Bj�rn F.
would be "editor" for those posting in all other Zones.

So what was I to do?

I continued posting messages in the Fidonews from a BBS
in Australia.

Ross C. had a grand mal. You should have read his mail
posted on that BBS. The sysop made it an open channel for
all to read.

And then a fellow by the name of Wayne C. showed up on
that same Australian BBS. Which sent Ross C. on another
grand mal, much bigger than the one before.

Those messages were even more fun to read.

The real editor (Bj�rn Felten) then tore up his "gentleman's
agreement" with Ross C. and reclaimed his sole editorship of
the Fidonews. Ross C. then left the forum to sulk and cry.

The Aussi sysop was then offered a very nice job in Australia
and decided not to play any more. He kept his BBS up for a while,
but read only. For nostalgia sake.

Then I moved on to Bj�rn Felten's BBS. And a few others.
Some in Zone 1, others in Zone 2, and also in Zone 3.
I am not sure if the BBS that I was using in Zone 4 is
still active.

As Nick A. has probably found out, I am not so easy to
get rid of. Kind of like a permanent stain.

Janis K. and her lackey Ross C. hated that.

--Lee

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On 25 Nov 20 14:55:32, Lee Lofaso said the following to Mike Powell:

As Nick A. has probably found out, I am not so easy to
get rid of. Kind of like a permanent stain.

As the years go on, certain Sysops have made their exit. Some we miss very dearly but some left us a breath of fresh-air. Egos deflated, flame wars fizzled out, zone-wars a thing of the past.

The last remaining individuals that exist solely to tarnish Fidonet's reputation or ruin it for newcomers are dwindling. Its just a matter of time and patience. I'm in my early 40's, very healthy. How old are you? How long do you think you can run the clock out for?

Eventually you and Bjorn and some others *will* make that grand-departure. Hurricanes, Covid, Aids, autoerotic asphyxiation, severe rectal trauma, whatever your particular cause will be is all excellent news for us.

Nick

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Hello Aaron,

Why not invite her to participate? She would be welcome by me, and
by most everybody else here. Those who do not wish to read her posts
can always use their next key. So what's the problem?

Why does she need an invitation? How much worse than Dan Cross can she be?

Apparently you did not read her little spat with Dan in the
Fidogazette echo.

--Lee

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Apparently you did not read her little spat with Dan in the
Fidogazette echo.

That's hilarious. I was just poking fun at Dan and I had no idea that he had anything to do with her.

They're both Democrats - why don't they all just get along like Republicans do?

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Hello Nick,

As Nick A. has probably found out, I am not so easy to
get rid of. Kind of like a permanent stain.

As the years go on, certain Sysops have made their exit. Some we miss very dearly but some left us a breath of fresh-air. Egos deflated, flame wars fizzled out, zone-wars a thing of the past.

Change is good. But change is also hard. Making it easy would
not be change. As all real change should be challenging.

The last remaining individuals that exist solely to tarnish Fidonet's reputation or ruin it for newcomers are dwindling. Its just a matter of time
and patience.

Fidonet's reputation will always be in a state of change.
For better or for worse. That is how things work in the real
world, as well as in the fantasy world. Well, maybe not all
fantasy worlds ...

I'm in my early 40's, very healthy. How old are you? How long do you think you can run the clock out for?

I have a pirogue. And a paddle. Alligators have not eaten me yet.
But I can tell they are getting closer ...

Eventually you and Bjorn and some others *will* make that grand-departure.

I work out. Just like Joe Biden. The alligators do keep me busy
at times. But I can still outrun them on land. As long as I remember
to zig zag.

Hurricanes, Covid, Aids, autoerotic asphyxiation, severe rectal trauma, whatever your particular cause will be is all excellent news for us.

Terminal velocity. That would be the way to go.

A Canadian of Polish descent did it some years ago.
In front of a huge crowd inside the Houston Astrodome.
After successfully going over Niagara Falls inside
a wooden barrel, he decided to duplicate the feat in
from of a live audience.

He got inside the barrel, which was almost at the top
of the roof over the football field, and then the barrel
with him inside was dropped towards a tub of water below.
But the barrel hit the side of the tub and that kind of
brought about the end of the show. And of him.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

Apparently you did not read her little spat with Dan in the
Fidogazette echo.

That's hilarious. I was just poking fun at Dan and I had no idea that he had
anything to do with her.

Dan is not in her league. Not even in the same ballpark as her.

They're both Democrats - why don't they all just get along like Republicans
do?

You don't understand. Trying to get Democrats to cooperate is
like herding cats. Not that either of them are Democrats.

--Lee

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Dan is not in her league. Not even in the same ballpark as her.

I don't know what you mean, but I am under the impression that all the Fido guys have a huge crush on this chick and since we are all like 70, it
probably creeped her out and that's why she's gone.

You don't understand. Trying to get Democrats to cooperate is
like herding cats. Not that either of them are Democrats.

They both have been absent from this echo for a long time. I suspect they are both the same person. Both are from NY. Janis, by day, is the sole Fidonet female. By night, she's Dan Cross, a war veteran who for some weird unexplainable reason is a huge Democrat supporter, but (s)he always
insists that "I'm not a Democrat" so people never suspect the truth (Dan is Janis.)

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Hello Aaron,

Dan is not in her league. Not even in the same ballpark as her.

I don't know what you mean, but I am under the impression that all the Fido
guys have a huge crush on this chick and since we are all like 70, it probably creeped her out and that's why she's gone.

She rules the Fidgogazette. Once upon a time she tried to rule
the Fidonews. But could gain no followers as the land had been run
over by trolls. So she returned to the place that trolls explode
when going over waterfalls in wooden barrels.

You don't understand. Trying to get Democrats to cooperate is
like herding cats. Not that either of them are Democrats.

They both have been absent from this echo for a long time. I suspect they are both the same person. Both are from NY. Janis, by day, is the sole Fidonet female. By night, she's Dan Cross, a war veteran who for some weird
unexplainable reason is a huge Democrat supporter, but (s)he always insists
that "I'm not a Democrat" so people never suspect the truth (Dan is Janis.)

Most people do not survive going over Niagara Falls the first time.
With or without a wooden barrel. Could be s/he is indestructable?

--Lee

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She rules the Fidgogazette. Once upon a time she tried to rule
the Fidonews. But could gain no followers as the land had been run
over by trolls. So she returned to the place that trolls explode

What's the difference between the 2? They both sound like boring echos. How could she be spoiling anyone's fun in them?

Arent's they restricted to moderator only - like bulletins on a BBS?

Most people do not survive going over Niagara Falls the first time.
With or without a wooden barrel. Could be s/he is indestructable?

Democrats aren't allowed to swim in the Niagara river. Something about conservation of the water's purity.

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They both have been absent from this echo for a long time. I suspect they are both the same person. Both are from NY. Janis, by day, is the sole Fidonet female. By night, she's Dan Cross, a war veteran who for some weird unexplainable reason is a huge Democrat supporter, but (s)he always
insists that "I'm not a Democrat" so people never suspect the truth (Dan is Janis.)

I don't think so. Janis was my local hub when I joined FIDO. She was in
or near Louisville, KY, back then.

Janis is still active, at least in her own echos. Has anyone heard from
Dan lately? We might not agree on much but I hope he is doing ok these
days.


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Re: Re: Iran
By: Mike Powell to AARON THOMAS on Fri Nov 27 2020 10:55 am

Janis is still active, at least in her own echos. Has anyone heard from Dan lately? We might not agree on much but I hope he is doing ok these days.

Dan Cross you mean? I saw him post recently in another echo, but I don't see him posting often these days.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 26 Nov 20 11:45, Aaron Thomas said the following to Lee Lofaso:

They both have been absent from this echo for a long time. I suspect they a both the same person. Both are from NY. Janis, by day, is the sole Fidonet female. By night, she's Dan Cross, a war veteran who for some weird unexplainable reason is a huge Democrat supporter, but (s)he always
insists that "I'm not a Democrat" so people never suspect the truth (Dan is Janis.)

Janis isn't Dan... two different people. Trust me on that one please.

There is one thing to understand - for some people, trolling and shit-disturbing is their "thing". Thats why they joined Fido, thats why they carry on silly threads to antagonise. By feeding into that, you are fulfilling and perpetuating that twisted enjoyment they have. Thats why I told you that engaging with Lee is a bad idea. Alan isn't Lee or Janis by a long shot, but you know what they say... imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

Janis is a very nice person privately, behind-the-scenes. I have talked
with her once on the phone after a certain Sysop died. She will never admit it but in public its an act, she plays the political game perfectly. As in grandmaster-level gaming complete with smiley faces. She will twist and misquote and turn the tables back on *anyone* who disagrees with her in the echoes. Even with proven wrong on something she often has the last word.

Its a silly message network but what can we do...

Nick

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carry on silly threads to antagonise. By feeding into that, you are fulfill and perpetuating that twisted enjoyment they have. Thats why I told you tha

I would feel bad if I didn't reply to a message where someone is asking me something though. I enjoy getting the last word in the argument. I think Lee usually gives up first.

but in public its an act, she plays the political game perfectly. As in grandmaster-level gaming complete with smiley faces. She will twist and

I haven't seen it. I've been chatting with you gentlemen in here for at least 2 years straight, maybe longer - and I've only seen like 1 message from her this whole time.

She either lives in or used to live in the same town where I went to high school (Windsor, NY) and it surprises me that anyone from that dusty old ghost town would still be supporting Democrats. She's got to be drinking the tap water.

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Hello Aaron,

She rules the Fidgogazette. Once upon a time she tried to rule
the Fidonews. But could gain no followers as the land had been run
over by trolls. So she returned to the place that trolls explode

What's the difference between the 2?

A little bit of "this" and a little bit of "that".

They both sound like boring echos.

Only because like Elvis, Roy Witt left the building. But then Janis
reminded everybody that "he'll be back". We are still waiting for his
return.

How could she be spoiling anyone's fun in them?

She told us beforehand what would happen, probably because
she figured all of us would die of fright when Roy Witt made
his return.

Arent's they restricted to moderator only - like bulletins on a BBS?

No. I made sure of that.

Most people do not survive going over Niagara Falls the first time.
With or without a wooden barrel. Could be s/he is indestructable?

Democrats aren't allowed to swim in the Niagara river. Something about conservation of the water's purity.

That is why there is a Canadian side and an American side.
Trust me when I tell you the Canadian side as far more beautiful.
Less trash polluting the river below.

--Lee

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carry on silly threads to antagonise. By feeding into that, you are fulfil

l

and perpetuating that twisted enjoyment they have. Thats why I told you th

a

I would feel bad if I didn't reply to a message where someone is
asking me
something though. I enjoy getting the last word in the argument. I
think Lee
usually gives up first.

but in public its an act, she plays the political game perfectly. As in NA>> grandmaster-level gaming complete with smiley faces. She will twist and

I haven't seen it. I've been chatting with you gentlemen in here for
at least
2 years straight, maybe longer - and I've only seen like 1 message
from her
this whole time.

She either lives in or used to live in the same town where I went to
high
school (Windsor, NY) and it surprises me that anyone from that dusty
old ghost
town would still be supporting Democrats. She's got to be drinking
the tap
water.

Given that the Trump administration tried to undo the Clean Water Act from 1972 it's no wonder she votes for the Democrats if she tried the tap water.


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On 27 Nov 20 21:37, Aaron Thomas said the following to Nick Andre:

but in public its an act, she plays the political game perfectly. As in grandmaster-level gaming complete with smiley faces. She will twist and

I haven't seen it. I've been chatting with you gentlemen in here for at lea 2 years straight, maybe longer - and I've only seen like 1 message from her this whole time.

For many years in the 2000's and even before that, there were quite the "zone-wars" going on for a few reasons. Fido politics. Ego trips.

Not sure if that exactly qualifies for discussion in this echo so I'll leave this as my only rant on it, but Janis was a very active participant in a
lot of Fido political crap. The reason why we have redundant peering of systems (Fidoweb), why Fidogazette went from a very nice neutral BBS zine to
a purely Democrat soapbox, why Zone 2 absolutely hated her guts for years, why the IC position was eradicated etc... could all or some be attributed to her.

During the zone-wars, fate would have it in 2005 that the developer of the D'Bridge mailer handed me over all of the source code in a
gentlemens-agreement of sorts, so I could continue working on it. Very few people were using that mailer but a crazy Belgian by the name of Ward Dossche was a huge fan who surprisingly was running it for the entire ZC2 back-end operation. Zone 2 is still today the largest Zone in Fidonet.

Around 2007 circumstances in life put me in a position to meet Ward Dossche for the first time in person in Quebec City. I did not have very much background other than "he's an asshole" from a few Zone 1 Sysops but he was nice to me and I did not see very much in the way of Zone 1 Sysops backing up any claims with evidence to his assholieness. I was warned by Janis that Ward likes to "play games". All I was fed for a long time were stories... fables.

Anyhow we had a blast and as time went on we became friends outside of Fido context and my perception of Fido politics began to tilt negatively
with how Janis did things. I was presented a treasure-trove archive of
messages from IC and ZCC related areas which painted a whole different
picture of how I thought the rest of the world saw Zone 1. When you see both sides of the story and when its presented logically without emotion... things really didn't look all sunshine and roses.

Again - I have no idea if her tenure in Fido politics was all just a game and privately she is a very nice person. Its very hard to say why sometimes things are fine, even entertaining from her ala the Cooking echo, and other times its truly bizarre inexplicable behavior from her especially some of the shit that is exchanged in the Fidogazette echo.

I politely excused myself from that echo when I was widely flamed just for simply asking why Fidogazette couldn't be a politically-neutral BBS zine.
The response was basically it HAD to be a Biden rag. Its HER rag. Its HER
echo. If you do not like HER echo, you can leave.

It sure sounded very "inclusive", "tolerant", "welcoming diversity" to me...

Nick

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Hello Nick,

They both have been absent from this echo for a long time. I suspect

they a

both the same person. Both are from NY. Janis, by day, is the sole

Fidonet

female. By night, she's Dan Cross, a war veteran who for some weird
unexplainable reason is a huge Democrat supporter, but (s)he always
insists that "I'm not a Democrat" so people never suspect the truth (Dan

is

Janis.)

Janis isn't Dan... two different people. Trust me on that one please.

Nothing wrong with being two-faced.

There is one thing to understand - for some people, trolling and shit-disturbing is their "thing". Thats why they joined Fido, thats why they
carry on silly threads to antagonise. By feeding into that, you are fulfilling and perpetuating that twisted enjoyment they have. Thats why I told you that engaging with Lee is a bad idea. Alan isn't Lee or Janis by a
long shot, but you know what they say... imitation is the most sincere form
of flattery.

The FLAME echo was lots of fun. You should resurrect it.
The MATZDOBRE echo was lots of fun. You should resurrect it.
The HOLYSMOKE echo was lots of fun. You shoud resurrect it.
There are lots of other echoes that act as flame echoes.
And it is those echoes where most participants are/were.
You should resurrect them all. After all, that is your job.
To promote Fidonet, as Z1C (or whatever other title you want
to call yourself).

Flaming is a lost art in Fidonet. Very few, if any, of the original
flamers are still around. Not because any of them lost interest, but
rather because they simply are no longer here.

Janis is a very nice person privately, behind-the-scenes. I have talked with
her once on the phone after a certain Sysop died.

She claims he will be back.

She will never admit it but in public its an act, she plays the political game perfectly.

She is still a novice, yet to graduate from kindergarten.

As in grandmaster-level gaming complete with smiley faces.

She flunked her class with Captain Kangaroo and was sent back
to remedial training in Romper Room.

She will twist and misquote and turn the tables back on *anyone* who disagrees with her in the echoes.

She lost her "war" in Fidonews, when nobody bothered to listen
to anything she had to say.

Even with proven wrong on something she often has the last word.

She eventually tired of having to listen to the sound of her
own hand clapping and left the forum.

Its a silly message network but what can we do...

A group of lowly nodelist clerks, all getting along to get along.

--Lee

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On 28 Nov 20 20:24:36, Lee Lofaso said the following to Nick Andre:

A group of lowly nodelist clerks, all getting along to get along.

And the sooner you realise I'm just a lowly nodelist-clerk and nothing more, the sooner your alcoholic Swedish brain will wrap its head around the concept that I have absolutely nothing to do with promoting or distributing whatever echoes you desire to masturbate in.

Hows your node number application process going? Still under "probation"?

Nick

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Janis is still active, at least in her own echos. Has anyone heard from Dan lately? We might not agree on much but I hope he is doing ok these days.

Dan Cross you mean? I saw him post recently in another echo, but I don't see hi
posting often these days.

Yes. Good to hear he is still with us.


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She rules the Fidgogazette. Once upon a time she tried to rule
the Fidonews. But could gain no followers as the land had been run
over by trolls. So she returned to the place that trolls explode

What's the difference between the 2? They both sound like boring echos. How could she be spoiling anyone's fun in them?

Arent's they restricted to moderator only - like bulletins on a BBS?

They can be restricted as such if the sysop does so. Janis is the
moderator of the gazette echo. She developed an unfortunate habit of
including anti-Republican political bits in the weekly gazette, and then getting upset at people (like Tim) who then wanted to discuss said bits in
an echo that has a rule against discussing politics.

If you don't want a subject to be discussed, it is best not to bring it up
to begin with.


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How could she be spoiling anyone's fun in them?

She told us beforehand what would happen, probably because

Echos outside the politics echos are very foreign to me. You have a whole different crew in some of them it sounds like.

Democrats aren't allowed to swim in the Niagara river. Something about conservation of the water's purity.

That is why there is a Canadian side and an American side.
Trust me when I tell you the Canadian side as far more beautiful.
Less trash polluting the river below.

That's propaganda. It's all the same piss bucket. They make the same joke on the St Lawrence River tours.***********************************************

When Canada is doing something better than us, shouldn't we try harder?
Don't let them have the upper hand by saying their piss is cleaner than ours!

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Given that the Trump administration tried to undo the Clean Water Act from 1972 it's no wonder she votes for the Democrats if she tried the tap water.

That takes devotion to find so many shots to take at Trump. If you dig deep enough, you'll find a whole lot of Joe Biden trying to keep brown people segregated from whites. I guess it's sorta logical to favor a segregationist over a water-poisoner.

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I politely excused myself from that echo when I was widely flamed just for simply asking why Fidogazette couldn't be a politically-neutral BBS zine. The response was basically it HAD to be a Biden rag. Its HER rag. Its HER echo. If you do not like HER echo, you can leave.

I suspect that Janis is employed by Joe Biden, most likely she's a respondent to one of the "activists needed" ads on Craigslist. I suspect that they recruit people to attend protests and/or commit arson. Maybe in their downtime they troll the internet (and/or BBS scene.)

She was quiet for years & years until aparently Al informed her that I was
in here complaining about BLM destorying a playground for handicapped children in Binghamton. (Al if you didn't tell Janis then I apologize but it's what it seemed like.)

She popped her head in here and was all like "BLM didn't burn the playground down - it was somebody else." She was saying it with authority; like she was speaking on behalf of BLM. It's ok, I don't care if people are part of BLM and it's none of my business if they burn playgrounds down or not. But hilarious that Janis ignored thousands of messages in this echo only to come in and comment on my "playground arson" complaint. It was like she needed to come here and do her job for the Biden administration. It was funny.

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A group of lowly nodelist clerks, all getting along to get along.

You guys make it sound like it's an honorable position, like a court clerk.

Honestly, if someone had "nodelist clerk" on their resume, I'd hire them just so we can talk BBS stuff while on the clock.

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Re: Re: Iran
By: Aaron Thomas to Nick Andre on Sat Nov 28 2020 09:56 pm

She was quiet for years & years until aparently Al informed her that I was in here complaining about BLM destorying a playground for handicapped children in Binghamton. (Al if you didn't tell Janis then I apologize but it's what it seemed like.)

I have a link with Janis's node for mail and files but I haven't heard from Janis in a very long time, and I have not informed her about you in any way.

The few times Janis and I have exchanged net or echomail we had nice talks that were not political.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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She was quiet for years & years until aparently Al informed her that I in here complaining about BLM destorying a playground for handicapped children in Binghamton. (Al if you didn't tell Janis then I apologize it's what it seemed like.)

I have a link with Janis's node for mail and files but I haven't heard from Janis in a very long time, and I have not informed her about you in any way

In that case, I don't know why she chimed in that day on that topic. She's probably scanning the echos for keywords.

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Re: Re: Iran
By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 29 2020 12:42 pm

In that case, I don't know why she chimed in that day on that topic. She's probably scanning the echos for keywords.

There could be any number of people reading in here and they could also reply or post at any time.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Echos outside the politics echos are very foreign to me. You have a whole different crew in some of them it sounds like.

Mostly very nice people too.

That is why there is a Canadian side and an American side.
Trust me when I tell you the Canadian side as far more beautiful.
Less trash polluting the river below.

That's propaganda. It's all the same piss bucket. They make the same joke on the St Lawrence River tours.***********************************************

Both sides empty Lake Erie, that is correct, the source of water flowing
over them is the same. Lee's North American geography is probably not good.


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I suspect that Janis is employed by Joe Biden, most likely she's a respondent to one of the "activists needed" ads on Craigslist. I suspect that they recruit people to attend protests and/or commit arson. Maybe in their downtime
they troll the internet (and/or BBS scene.)

I think she is more likely to have been a Bernie activist, if for anyone.

She popped her head in here and was all like "BLM didn't burn the playground down - it was somebody else." She was saying it with authority; like she was speaking on behalf of BLM. It's ok, I don't care if people are part of BLM and
it's none of my business if they burn playgrounds down or not. But hilarious that Janis ignored thousands of messages in this echo only to come in and comment on my "playground arson" complaint. It was like she needed to come here and do her job for the Biden administration. It was funny.

I don't think that was in here.


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I have a link with Janis's node for mail and files but I haven't heard from
Janis in a very long time, and I have not informed her about you in any way

In that case, I don't know why she chimed in that day on that topic. She's probably scanning the echos for keywords.

Are you certain that you didn't post it in a non-politics echo like
Fidogazette (which is her's) or some other echo?


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here and do her job for the Biden administration. It was funny.

I don't think that was in here.

Sorry - definitely "All Politics" then.

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On 28 Nov 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I politely excused myself from that echo when I was widely flamed just simply asking why Fidogazette couldn't be a politically-neutral BBS zi The response was basically it HAD to be a Biden rag. Its HER rag. Its echo. If you do not like HER echo, you can leave.

Why can't we have ours, an echo that is Pro Trump. Called simply "Trump."
I think I will check into the possibilities. After all I am the hub here for all of New York State.

She was quiet for years & years until aparently Al informed her that I
was in here complaining about BLM destorying a playground for
handicapped children in Binghamton. (Al if you didn't tell Janis then I apologize but it's what it seemed like.)

Let me guess it was proclaimed "only to be a few" people and not associated
in any way with the the BLM bowel movement.

If you ever need to get your message out, you can count on Capital Station
BBS to ensure it gets delivered.

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On 04 Dec 20 08:28:45, Gregory Deyss said the following to Aaron Thomas:

Why can't we have ours, an echo that is Pro Trump. Called simply "Trump." I think I will check into the possibilities. After all I am the hub here fo all of New York State.

Anyone can create an echo but this echo I actually think is fine the way it
is, except for the troll but again thats just a matter of time and patience till thats finally over with.

Having a pro-Biden echo or pro-Trump echo ends up being two things.
Nonstop flaming the other candidate/party and either repeated noise or radio silence after everyone runs out of things to talk about.

Its nice to have different/opposite points of view to keep the conversations somewhat engaging. Look at how dead the Fidogazette has become when all that remains are leftists who soon won't have Trump to kick around anymore.

Nick

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Re: Re: Iran
By: Gregory Deyss to Aaron Thomas on Fri Dec 04 2020 08:28 am

Why can't we have ours, an echo that is Pro Trump. Called simply "Trump." I think I will check into the possibilities. After all I am the hub here for all of New York State.

You can, just start up your echo and link with interested nodes. Every echo in fidonet started that way.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Why can't we have ours, an echo that is Pro Trump. Called simply "Trump." I think I will check into the possibilities. After all I am the hub here fo all of New York State.

If you made an echo for that, I'd read it. I'm sure Lee and Al would read it too. But we should do something bigger than a Fido echo, like either a
website or a social network for fixing NY.

Let me guess it was proclaimed "only to be a few" people and not associated in any way with the the BLM bowel movement.

The news station said "There is no connection between the arson and the BLM march that occurred earlier in the day." But what do they know? They aren't police. Then some woman put in the comments section "Thanks for saying that BLM had nothing to do with it!"

BLM should pay to rebuild the playground anyway, if they actually give a crap about black kids. That way they could "prove" they didn't do it.

I was using your BBS for a long time but my account got deleted. I thought it could be due to something I said in an echo, maybe I said something too crazy or possibly I pushed my luck with my language.

Despite anything, we're conservative NYers and that's a special bond that shouldn't be broken.


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Why can't we have ours, an echo that is Pro Trump. Called simply "Trump."
I think I will check into the possibilities. After all I am the hub here for all of New York State.

It would get invaded by people like Lee and become similar to what we have
here in this echo already.


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Re: Re: Iran
By: Mike Powell to GREGORY DEYSS on Sat Dec 05 2020 09:39 am

It would get invaded by people like Lee and become similar to what we have here in this echo already.

Maybe but I doubt it. For my own part I would leave people who want to talk Trump to themselves.

A moderator could make the rule that anti Trump talk is off topic. Not an easy dance but doable if that what folks want to do.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Nick,

Why can't we have ours, an echo that is Pro Trump. Called simply "Trump."
I think I will check into the possibilities. After all I am the hub here

fo

all of New York State.

Anyone can create an echo but this echo I actually think is fine the way it
is, except for the troll but again thats just a matter of time and patience
till thats finally over with.

I survived age 27.

Having a pro-Biden echo or pro-Trump echo ends up being two things. Nonstop flaming the other candidate/party and either repeated noise or radio
silence after everyone runs out of things to talk about.

Once Biden has been sworn in at noon on January 20, 2021 everybody
will forget about Trump and move on.

Its nice to have different/opposite points of view to keep the conversations
somewhat engaging. Look at how dead the Fidogazette has become when all that
remains are leftists who soon won't have Trump to kick around anymore.

It's too bad you're a Canuck. But then, Canucks have their own sideshow
up there in the Frozen Nawth.

--Lee

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Hello Alan,

Why can't we have ours, an echo that is Pro Trump. Called simply "Trump."
I think I will check into the possibilities. After all I am the hub here
for all of New York State.

You can, just start up your echo and link with interested nodes. Every echo
in fidonet started that way.

That is the way it should be. Start an echo, and promote it.
Or ask a sysop to sponsor an echo on your behalf.

--Lee

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It would get invaded by people like Lee and become similar to what we have >MP> here in this echo already.

Maybe but I doubt it. For my own part I would leave people who want to talk Tru
p to themselves.

Despite our various disagreements here, I don't believe you think like a
troll, but others do, and...

A moderator could make the rule that anti Trump talk is off topic. Not an easy >ance but doable if that what folks want to do.

...it is not easy to stop them. There are some things I find off-topic here but, beyond asking people not to use that language or not to call each other names, I am not certain there is an effective way to enforce much on
Fidonet if someone is determined enough.


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On 12-05-20, ALAN IANSON said to MIKE POWELL:

A moderator could make the rule that anti Trump talk is off topic. Not an AI>easy dance but doable if that what folks want to do.

Not a good idea. Then such an echo is stooping to the same level of those who do such censorship in other echoes aimed at certain poster they don't like.


Why creat an echo for free speech only to follow the censorship which the new echo was brought into being to avoid?


Speech is either free or it isn't.



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Re: Re: Iran
By: TIM RICHARDSON to ALAN IANSON on Sat Dec 12 2020 03:20 am

A moderator could make the rule that anti Trump talk is off topic.
Not an easy dance but doable if that what folks want to do.

Not a good idea. Then such an echo is stooping to the same level of those who do such censorship in other echoes aimed at certain poster they don't like.

I don't think I'd follow an area for trump talk but I would connect the area and share it with interested nodes.

For the most part every echo in fidonet is topical, so I don't see a problem if folks want such an area.

Why creat an echo for free speech only to follow the censorship which the new echo was brought into being to avoid?

We would only create the area if there was a reason, like if people want such an area to talk Trump. Echoes are not censored but for the most part they are topical so you may need to stay on topic. Echoes do have rules so you need to stay on topic and avoid behavior that is in conflict with the rules.

Speech is either free or it isn't.

In fidonet we have always had free speech. Echo rules are meant simply to keep an area on topic and keep a level of civility so some kind of reasonable discord can be maintained.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Tim,

A moderator could make the rule that anti Trump talk is off topic. Not an >AI>easy dance but doable if that what folks want to do.

Not a good idea. Then such an echo is stooping to the same level of those
who
do such censorship in other echoes aimed at certain poster they don't like.

Why creat an echo for free speech only to follow the censorship which the
new
echo was brought into being to avoid?

Speech is either free or it isn't.

Well said.

--Lee

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I don't think I'd follow an area for trump talk but I would connect the are

It would be boring to talk about Trump without the 4 democrat amigos.

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Re: Re: Iran
By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Sat Dec 12 2020 08:34 pm

I don't think I'd follow an area for trump talk but I would connect
the are

It would be boring to talk about Trump without the 4 democrat amigos.

I have to admit, y'all make this area interesting.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 12-12-20, ALAN IANSON said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Re: Re: Iran
By: TIM RICHARDSON to ALAN IANSON on Sat Dec 12 2020 03:20 am

A moderator could make the rule that anti Trump talk is off topic.
Not an easy dance but doable if that what folks want to do.

Not a good idea. Then such an echo is stooping to the same level of those who do such censorship in other echoes aimed at certain poster they don't like.

I don't think I'd follow an area for trump talk but I would connect the AI>area and share it with interested nodes.

There was censorship in various forms in Fido long before Trump ever came along.



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