Senate Republicans saved the USA today.
But Joe will fix that with an executive order. Democracy is no match for Democrats.
Donald Trump <- The Last President
Senate Republicans saved the USA today. But Joe will fix that with an executive order. Democracy is no match for Democrats.
Senate Republicans saved the USA today.
Did they? What did those senate republicans do?
The only interest Republicans have in election security is in securing elections for themselves. The Democrats' attempt to stop Republicans from
their civil right to vote is not an attack on Democracy; it's a defense
of it.
The only interest Republicans have in election security is in securing elections for themselves. The Democrats' attempt to stop Republicans
from making it harder for certain groups of eligible citizens to
exercise their civil right to vote is not an attack on Democracy; it's
a defense of it.
Interestingly, even there it is groups of people with little education who are >anipulated in such a way that they vote for these regimes. With simple slogans.
The only interest Republicans have in election security is in securing elections for themselves. The Democrats' attempt to stop Republicans from
We prevailed. Felons and non-citizens are somewhat defeated, or do I dare say "disenfranchised?" ;)
their civil right to vote is not an attack on Democracy; it's a defense of it.
Wss Obama's election win an attack on Democracy? Or Clinton? Those guys weren't complaining. There was nothing to complain about until Biden almost lost.
The only interest Republicans have in election security is in securin elections for themselves. The Democrats' attempt to stop RepublicansWe prevailed. Felons and non-citizens are somewhat defeated, or do I
dare say "disenfranchised?" ;)
their civil right to vote is not an attack on Democracy; it's a defen of it.Wss Obama's election win an attack on Democracy? Or Clinton? Those guys weren't complaining. There was nothing to complain about until Biden almost lost.
Interestingly, even there it is groups of people with little education wh >anipulated in such a way that they vote for these regimes. With simple >slogans.There is also the group of people here with little education who are manipulated in such a way that they vote for the regimes that promise
them free stuff.
It's not that Biden won; it's that Trump lost. Republicans now want to change the rules to make sure that doesn't happen again. It's the only
way they can win.
Interestingly, even there it is groups of people with little education wThere is also the group of people here with little education who are manipulated in such a way that they vote for the regimes that promise them free stuff.
anipulated in such a way that they vote for these regimes. With simple >slogans.
There are also the group of people here with little education who are manipulated in such a way that they vote for the regimes that tell them that other people are getting something for nothing.
It's not that Biden won; it's that Trump lost. Republicans now want t change the rules to make sure that doesn't happen again. It's the onl way they can win.You do realize that 80% of the population think that Voter ID cards are a good idea, it is clear who pushing back on this and why.
There has been the idea or notion that it would be detrimental to those who are african-americans, but why? I think it has more to do with complete laziness. People are afraid to call it out for what it really
is. So they call it racist to grab the headlines.
I don't need to be told that. I can see that. If you are not working, not paying taxes, and are getting anything from the government, you are pretty much getting it for nothing.There is also the group of people here with little education who ar manipulated in such a way that they vote for the regimes that promi them free stuff.There are also the group of people here with little education who are manipulated in such a way that they vote for the regimes that tell them other people are getting something for nothing.
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There is also the group of people here with little education who are manipulated in such a way that they vote for the regimes that promise
them free stuff.
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On 27 Jun 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
It's not that Biden won; it's that Trump lost. Republicans now w change the rules to make sure that doesn't happen again. It's th way they can win.You do realize that 80% of the population think that Voter ID cards a good idea, it is clear who pushing back on this and why.
What's your source on this?
There has been the idea or notion that it would be detrimental to tho who are african-americans, but why? I think it has more to do with complete laziness. People are afraid to call it out for what it reall is. So they call it racist to grab the headlines.
It would be detremental to those without photo ID, obviously. Not
everyone has one, an obtaining one can be a burden to exercising one's right to vote.
Wss Obama's election win an attack on Democracy? Or Clinton? Those guys weren't complaining. There was nothing to complain about until Biden alm lost.
They complained some when Gore, then HRC, lost by the rules that they
knew about going in. Fun Fact -- at one point before the election, HRC even made mention of the electoral college and how it would help her win the election even if the popular vote went Trump's way. So, the EC was not a terrible thing until the opposite came true.
Obtaining a photo ID does not have to be detrimental, the process could
be streamlined weeks before the election or even on the spot at the polling place with Polaroid camera which has existed since 1948, along with the use of a laminate machine they could get a voter ID card w/
photo ID along with other verifiable information such a social security card, or another piece of documentation such as a birth certificate or a bank card, even a library card if the library keeps records of name and address that could verify their identity.
We all know a convicted felon or two. I don't ever remember the ones I know to have complained about not being able to vote. I wonder if those requests are on display somewhere? It's great when elected officials do things that the people ask for, but I don't think anyone's asking for these changes.
It's not that Biden won; it's that Trump lost. Republicans now want to
change the rules to make sure that doesn't happen again. It's the only
way they can win.
You do realize that 80% of the population think that Voter ID cards are a good idea, it is clear who pushing back on this and why.
There has been the idea or notion that it would be detrimental to those who
are african-americans, but why? I think it has more to do with complete laziness. People are afraid to call it out for what it really is.
So they call it racist to grab the headlines.
We all know a convicted felon or two.
On 28 Jun 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
Obtaining a photo ID does not have to be detrimental, the process cou be streamlined weeks before the election or even on the spot at the polling place with Polaroid camera which has existed since 1948, alon with the use of a laminate machine they could get a voter ID card w/ photo ID along with other verifiable information such a social securi card, or another piece of documentation such as a birth certificate o bank card, even a library card if the library keeps records of name a address that could verify their identity.
If a photo ID couuld be produced on the spot, then why even bother? Why not just accept the social security card, birth certificate, bank card,
or library card as ID? Producing a photo ID based on the spot, based on those forms of ID, adds no value to the process. It's just taking someone's photo and slapping it on an ID. If those other forms of ID are sufficient proof of their identity to produce a photo ID, then why
aren't they sufficient proof of their ID for them to vote?
If a photo ID couuld be produced on the spot, then why even bother? W not just accept the social security card, birth certificate, bank car or library card as ID? Producing a photo ID based on the spot, based those forms of ID, adds no value to the process. It's just taking someone's photo and slapping it on an ID. If those other forms of ID sufficient proof of their identity to produce a photo ID, then why aren't they sufficient proof of their ID for them to vote?Your not thinking this through Jeff. It would be within the process of validating or the verification of the provided documentation to prove
that the one providing the documentation is in-fact legit, or that they are who they have suggested that they are.
This process could be overseen by both political parties.
Which reminds me why were the people who represent the Republican Party not allowed admittance to watch over the process and in some cases the blocking out of windows so one could see what really was going on within the room. Sounds very sketchy to me. Nothing to see here. rrrrrright?
I don't need to be told that. I can see that. If you are not working, not paying taxes, and are getting anything from the government, you are pretty much getting it for nothing.
You need to be told to resent it, though. You need to be told to make it a reason to vote against a social safety net.
There is also the group of people here with little education who are manipulated in such a way that they vote for the regimes that promise them free stuff.
I believe that there are 3 groups of people on the Left:
1. The Power Hungry. Pelosi, Bernie, Soros, etc. They don't have any real idology. They are just looking to have the power to control everything/everyone.
2. The Anointed Ones. Many of these people are in academia, but they are in all walks of life. These are primarily useless people who want to believe tha
they are important and are jealous of the success of the people who are competant. They are naive enough to think that the Power Hungry will share som
of that power with them.
3. The Lazy and Stupid. We all know these. They are best qualified to be carbon dioxide generators for plants or Soilent Green.
They complained some when Gore, then HRC, lost by the rules that they knew about going in. Fun Fact -- at one point before the election, HRC even made mention of the electoral college and how it would help her win the election even if the popular vote went Trump's way. So, the EC was not a terrible thing until the opposite came true.
You've been paying attention for a longer period of time than me. Have they ever tried anything like this "For The People" crap before?
We all know a convicted felon or two. I don't ever remember the ones I know to
have complained about not being able to vote. I wonder if those requests are on display somewhere? It's great when elected officials do things that the people ask for, but I don't think anyone's asking for these changes.
There has been the idea or notion that it would be detrimental to those who are african-americans, but why?
It would be detremental to those without photo ID, obviously. Not everyone has one, an obtaining one can be a burden to exercising one's right to vote.
I don't even mind safety nets, especially for those of us who are (or whose employer's are) paying into the program while we work. I don't
have to be told to resent moochers... maybe as a kid I was told stories like the ant and the grasshopper enough that I was "told" to then, but I don't need a politician to remind me now why it is a bad idea to do
things like continuing to pay people not to work. There are too many people who will take advantage of such situations when you remove all incentive for them to do things for themselves.
Even with these new IDs, if you cannot figure out where to go and how to follow the simple directions to be ready to get one, I seriously question your ability to follow the directions to cast our (also simple) ballots.
Your not thinking this through Jeff. It would be within the process of validating or the verification of the provided documentation to prove that the one providing the documentation is in-fact legit, or that the are who they have suggested that they are.
I think you're missing the point. If a library card is sufficient to get one of your Polaroid photo IDs, why isn't it sufficient to vote?
This process could be overseen by both political parties.
Or by poll watchers.
Which reminds me why were the people who represent the Republican Par not allowed admittance to watch over the process and in some cases th blocking out of windows so one could see what really was going on wit the room. Sounds very sketchy to me. Nothing to see here. rrrrrright?
Because they weren't authorized. You can't just show up and demand admittance to the areas where votes are being counted. It would result
in chaos and would be a distraction to people trying to do their jobs. Some people were authorized to witness the counting, and they were admitted.
Republicans like to say that Democrats play the victim, but Trump is the
biggest, saddest, poutiest, most pitiful victim player I've ever seen. He takes the cake.
I think you're missing the point. If a library card is sufficient to one of your Polaroid photo IDs, why isn't it sufficient to vote?No it's you who is missing the point, you're not getting this because you don't want to understand it. It's all about validation. I grant you that the library is a simple piece that anyone can get, with answering a few questions like name and address, phone number, it is this information
that speaks to address which would be verified that would the keys or
the means to the verification. There would be Parameters of Acceptability, and Compliance that the library would go through to make certain that it could be used for this means.
Because they weren't authorized. You can't just show up and demand admittance to the areas where votes are being counted. It would resul in chaos and would be a distraction to people trying to do their jobs Some people were authorized to witness the counting, and they were admitted.These were Republican poll watchers their identity could have of been verified with a phone call or few strokes at the computer keyboard.
Republicans like to say that Democrats play the victim, but Trump is tDemocrats play the Race Card or hide behind a title, and we shall see
biggest, saddest, poutiest, most pitiful victim player I've ever seen takes the cake.
how sad Mr. Trump is, he already a beat a rap from the southern district of New York, the lefty media was so convinced that he was going to be behind bars, these goons from CNN even showed us mock representations of what Mr. Trump would of looked like behind bars with a orange jump suit. It has been reported via Hannity that it is not happening and the these fools at CNN are a total disgrace.
No one was suggesting that non-citizens should be able to vote. You prevailed against an imaginary enemy.
their civil right to vote is not an attack on Democracy; it's a of it.Wss Obama's election win an attack on Democracy? Or Clinton? Those gu weren't complaining. There was nothing to complain about until Biden almost lost.
It's not that Biden won; it's that Trump lost. Republicans now want to change the rules to make sure that doesn't happen again. It's the only
way they can win.
No one was suggesting that non-citizens should be able to vote. You prevailed against an imaginary enemy.Joe's accepting undocumented immigrants at a rate that will have 6
million of them here by 2024. He said he's going to put them on a
pathway to citizenship, so I guess you're right; non-citizenship won't
be an issue.
It's not that Biden won; it's that Trump lost. Republicans now want t change the rules to make sure that doesn't happen again. It's the onl way they can win.But this is a Democrat sponsored bill. It's fine that Trump lost. But
it's obvious who's afraid of not being able to win.
sufficient toI think you're missing the point. If a library card is
one of your Polaroid photo IDs, why isn't it sufficient to vote?
No it's you who is missing the point, you're not getting this becauseyou
don't want to understand it. It's all about validation. I grant youthat
the library is a simple piece that anyone can get, with answering afew
questions like name and address, phone number, it is this informationmake
that speaks to address which would be verified that would the keys or
the means to the verification. There would be Parameters of
Acceptability, and Compliance that the library would go through to
certain that it could be used for this means.
Such as? And if the library card was Acceptable and Compliant enough to be used to get a photo ID, why isn't it Acceptable and Compliant enough to be used to vote? Why add the extra step? Why make people jump through meaningless hoops just to vote?
ofYour not thinking this through Jeff. It would be within the process
provevalidating or the verification of the provided documentation to
thethat the one providing the documentation is in-fact legit, or that
are who they have suggested that they are.
I think you're missing the point. If a library card is sufficient toget
one of your Polaroid photo IDs, why isn't it sufficient to vote?
No it's you who is missing the point, you're not getting this because you don't want to understand it. It's all about validation.
I grant you that the library is a simple piece that anyone can get, with answering a few questions like name and address, phone number, it is this information that speaks to address which would be verified that would the keys or the means to the verification.
There would be Parameters of Acceptability, and Compliance that the library
would go through to make certain that it could be used for this means.
Maybe the fact that unemployment insurance (at least here in Texas) doesn't even cover the rent/mortgage would be incentive enough to find a job? I've been on it before. Job searches are required and verified. Any refusal of a reasonable job offer will result in termination of benefits. And yeah, the worst part was coming off of it. I got a job offer in Mid-April, and accepted it. However, I wasn't scheduled to start until May 1, and the job was on a monthly pay schedule meaning I wouldn't get paid until June 1. Despite haveing a job offer and even being employed, those were a horrible six weeks. Fortunately I was able to catch up on rent and over time got back on my feet, but continuing indefinitely on unemployment insurance was definitely not a lucrative option.
I never thought it was lucrative, either. When I got laid off, you had a limit of 6 months. That was c1996. Now I am not sure there is a limit.
Such as? And if the library card was Acceptable and Compliant enough to
be used to get a photo ID, why isn't it Acceptable and Compliant enough
to be used to vote? Why add the extra step? Why make people jump through meaningless hoops just to vote?
Because they weren't authorized. You can't just show up and dema admittance to the areas where votes are being counted. It would in chaos and would be a distraction to people trying to do their Some people were authorized to witness the counting, and they we admitted.These were Republican poll watchers their identity could have of bee verified with a phone call or few strokes at the computer keyboard.
That's irrelevant. Poll watchers are authorized to watch polls, not to monitor the vote counting process. It doesn't matter if their identity could be verified; all that would do would be to verify that they're not authorized to be in the room while the votes are being counted. Two differnt jobs, two different authorizations.
He hasn't beat anything. He's not in the first round of subpoenas, but
the implications to Trump from those who *are* in the subpoenas could be significant, which is why he's so upset about it. Among other things, if the Trump Org is convicted of a felony they cannot hold any liquor licenses, which is really bad news for Trump's golf clubs.
New York and the federal government are far from through with Trump, though.
Such as? And if the library card was Acceptable and Compliant enough be used to get a photo ID, why isn't it Acceptable and Compliant enou to be used to vote? Why add the extra step? Why make people jump thro meaningless hoops just to vote?Before the photo is taken, validation of all provided documentation will be checked and verified for following:
First and Last name
Residential Address
Social Security Number
All of this SAME information is utilized today, but the problem is of course with the ease of providing falsified or fraudulent information, hence the need for such Photo Voter ID.
Previously there has proof of "the insanely old" who have voted in the 2020 election people that actually that have been long since dead.
Addresses have been determined to be vacant for years.
As other well as other funny business going on with Republican overseers and or election officials not being allowed to oversee the vote, they
were locked out and in addition everything from newspaper to poster
board has been used to block out windows. This is the United States of America not some Banana Republic where those tactics are used.
Here is a phrase from the past
"Phony baloney plastic banana good time rock n rollers."
which means tired of corruption winning....
Dead people voting
Vacant or Abandoned Homes
Perhaps you should think deeper, once the photo is taken it will be scanned and stored into a county database, each political party could receive this database to ensure accuracy and fairness of the this
database for each county, the master files of all counties once compiled could be kept secure at the statehouse of each state or kept with the
top election officials in that state and for both parties.
The Federal authorities would also receive these files from all 50
states.
That's irrelevant. Poll watchers are authorized to watch polls, not t monitor the vote counting process. It doesn't matter if their identit could be verified; all that would do would be to verify that they're authorized to be in the room while the votes are being counted. Two differnt jobs, two different authorizations.Your rational here would be eliminated, in lew of a superior process, where Poll watchers will have the ability to act, it is very dangerous
to liberty itself for you to indicate otherwise.
He hasn't beat anything. He's not in the first round of subpoenas, bu the implications to Trump from those who *are* in the subpoenas could significant, which is why he's so upset about it. Among other things, the Trump Org is convicted of a felony they cannot hold any liquor licenses, which is really bad news for Trump's golf clubs.
Total BS story. They are not significant.
I will believe Greg Jarrett over Jeff Thiele any day of the week or least until you show superior proof over the mind of Mr. Jarrett.
That is a colossal amount of brainpower to over come.
You could always reach out to Jeffrey Toobin but for your safety just
make sure he is at least wearing shorts on the zoom call. Good Luck w/ that:)
New York and the federal government are far from through with Trump, though.We will see who the Winners and Losers are.
I never thought it was lucrative, either. When I got laid off, youhad a
limit of 6 months. That was c1996. Now I am not sure there is alimit.
In Texas there is a per-instance limit and also a 5-year lifetime limit. One
can't collect more than 5 years' worth of unemployment benefits in their lifetime.
Maybe the fact that unemployment insurance (at least here in Texas)
doesn't
even cover the rent/mortgage would be incentive enough to find a job? I've
been on it before. Job searches are required and verified. Any refusal of
a
reasonable job offer will result in termination of benefits. And yeah, the
worst part was coming off of it. I got a job offer in Mid-April, and
accepted
it. However, I wasn't scheduled to start until May 1, and the job was on a
monthly pay schedule meaning I wouldn't get paid until June 1. Despite
haveing a job offer and even being employed, those were a horrible six
weeks.
Fortunately I was able to catch up on rent and over time got back on my
feet,
but continuing indefinitely on unemployment insurance was definitely not a
lucrative option.
I never thought it was lucrative, either. When I got laid off, you had a limit of 6 months. That was c1996. Now I am not sure there is a limit.
Ex-felons are not universally prohibited from voting; policies vary from state to state. For example, New York allows ex-felons who have completed
We all know a convicted felon or two.
Ever visited any? I have. Angola State Penitentiary. In the middle
of the swamp. Many ways to get there. And one way to get out. For the residents, that is.
Ex-felons are not universally prohibited from voting; policies vary f state to state. For example, New York allows ex-felons who have complThanks for pointing all this out. What does that tell you about where
most Americans stand on felon voting?
Library Card (Usage of Rule R)Hold that thought...
Such a library card that does NOT utilize such information of the following: Social Security Number will be and should be Rejected.
Information within library records for the use of obtaining library card being issued are more then likely:"more than likely"
First Name Last NameWait, what's this?
Residential Address
but it could quite potentially be missing the SSN
(depending on the size of the library)
ex. A small town library vs. one found within a large city.That's very interesting when one considers that small towns tend to be rural and rural voters tend to vote Republican, while larger cities are by
A small town may not require the usage of the SSN / where large one
within a larger city could utilize the SSN
It's a Democrat-sponsored federal bill to counter various Repblican-sponsored >state bills. These state bills are attempts to change the rules in the wake >of a Republican defeat.
It's not that Biden won; it's that Trump lost. Republicans now want to change the rules to make sure that doesn't happen again. It's the only way they can win.
But this is a Democrat sponsored bill. It's fine that Trump lost. But it's obvious who's afraid of not being able to win.
It's a Democrat-sponsored federal bill to counter various Repblican-spons >state bills. These state bills are attempts to change the rules in the wa >of a Republican defeat.The bill in our state, where we have a Republican majority legislature
and Secretary of State, calls for at least three early, in-person voting days, including one that has to be on a Saturday. The belief is that it worked well during the pandemic so they want to keep it that way. It got bi-partisan support, and our Democrat Governor signed it.
If fraudulent information could be provided for voting, couldn't it just as easily be provided for this photo ID?
All the photo ID says in this instance is that the person on the ID was once in possession of a library card with some address on it.
If non-photo ID is sufficient to gain a photo ID in order to vote, why isn't it sufficient just to vote? Why the middle step? What security
does it add?
You can suggest that as you wish, but no matter how many you say that, itPreviously there has proof of "the insanely old" who have voted in the 2020 election people that actually that have been long since dead.No, there hasn't. Those lies have been debunked.
But you voted for Trump... Corruption incarnate.You voted for Biden who is proving to be incoherent mess.
Debunked, No I do not think so, I provided links to the evidence showing why.. and you delete them or choose to not quote them, what's the matter Jeff?Dead people votingDebunked.
Vacant or Abandoned Homes
Debunked.
That's irrelevant. Poll watchers are authorized to watch polls, monitor the vote counting process. It doesn't matter if their id could be verified; all that would do would be to verify that the authorized to be in the room while the votes are being counted. differnt jobs, two different authorizations.
Your rational here would be eliminated, in lew of a superior process, where Poll watchers will have the ability to act, it is very dangerou to liberty itself for you to indicate otherwise.So if the rules were changed, I would be wrong. Interesting argument.
Loss of liquor licenses is farily significant to businesses in the hospitality industry. And companies convicted of felonies can't have liquor licenses. Which part is untrue?You know what Ronald Fischetti is guilty of?
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An Interesting thought...ex. A small town library vs. one found within a large city.That's very interesting when one considers that small towns tend to be rural and rural voters tend to vote Republican, while larger cities are
A small town may not require the usage of the SSN / where large one within a larger city could utilize the SSN
by definition urban and urban voter tend to vote Democrat.
Why do you have this double standard? Why are the ID requirements
relaxed for voters who tend to vote Republican?
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
Even with these new IDs, if you cannot figure out where to go and how
to follow the simple directions to be ready to get one, I seriously question your ability to follow the directions to cast our (also
simple) ballots.
need to be confirmed and checked; as in validation would be as follows:
1) First and Last Name
2) Residential Address
3) SSN
On 06-29-21 22:50, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Dems bad bills <=-
Dead people voting
Source: https://tinyurl.com/rrb493d4
Vacant or Abandoned Homes
Source: https://tinyurl.com/ydy872zd
and further clear information can be found at
showing clearing of the true intentions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJvLZAg4x40
Your rational here would be eliminated, in lew of a superior process, where Poll watchers will have the ability to act, it is very dangerous
to liberty itself for you to indicate otherwise.
Mr. Trump has already a beat a rap from the southern district of New
York,
oneex. A small town library vs. one found within a large city.
A small town may not require the usage of the SSN / where large
within a larger city could utilize the SSN
That's very interesting when one considers that small towns tend tobe
rural and rural voters tend to vote Republican, while larger citiesare
by definition urban and urban voter tend to vote Democrat.
An Interesting thought...
Who do folks who reside in large cities vote Democrat?
What have they gotten in return, over the years.
I can tell you how African-Americans have prospered under Donald J. Trump.
Why do you have this double standard? Why are the ID requirements
relaxed for voters who tend to vote Republican?
No there will be no double standard
need to be confirmed and checked; as in validation would be asfollows:
1) First and Last Name
2) Residential Address
3) SSN
How do you suggest validating these for the purposes of issuing a photo ID?
If I somehow came into possession of your wallet, which contained your library card, which contained your full name, address, and SSN, how would someone with a Polaroid verify that the person they're taking a picture of is
the person described on the library card?
Derivative IDs are no more secure than the IDs from which they were derived.
My library card contains only a number. Not a photo of any kind.
Not a name of any kind. Not an address of any kind. Not a SSN of
me or anybody else.
Derivative IDs are no more secure than the IDs from which they were derived.Oh, I did have to show some evidence that I have a valid Louisiana
address in order to get a library card ...
Allowing incarcerated felons to vote would seem to be supported by a minority in the northeast. But that's not what the original discussion
was about, was it? No, it was about ex-felons, those who have completed their sentence.
Claiming that it is only Republican losers that want to change the rules in their favor is a dog that does not hunt, or do much of anything else.
Allowing incarcerated felons to vote would seem to be supported by a minority in the northeast. But that's not what the original discussio was about, was it? No, it was about ex-felons, those who have complet their sentence.We're both wrong; I don't see anything in the bill about felons.
I still don't trust a Democrat sponsored bill though. They need to leave states alone be happy with everything they already stole.
Claiming that it is only Republican losers that want to change the ru in their favor is a dog that does not hunt, or do much of anything elThe voting issues in my state couldn't be fixed by Democrats because
they are are the ones causing those issues. Until my conservative issues are resolved (or included,) I can't bring myself to support liberals
with their voting problems.
Derivative IDs are no more secure than the IDs from which they were derived.
Fact: poll watchers are for watching the voting process at the polls.
That does not imply that those same people are certified to monitor the counting of the votes. That certification is for a separate group of people. In both cases, there is a balance between Democrats and Republicans -- each of whom verifies that things are done properly.
southern district of New DS> GD> York, DS> DS> What and when was that? IMr. Trump has already a beat a rap from the
Derivative IDs are no more secure than the IDs from which they were derived.The purpose is to gather information which can provide an accurate
account of one's identity, through a means of validation which will satisfy all parties. It would be have to be something that everyone has, perhaps a birth certificate that could be certified through vital
statics of the location of the individuals birth.
Fact: poll watchers are for watching the voting process at the polls. That does not imply that those same people are certified to monitor t counting of the votes. That certification is for a separate group of people. In both cases, there is a balance between Democrats and Republicans -- each of whom verifies that things are done properly.That process worked out really well didn't. It needs to be revised and
was as today the high court sided with the GOP.
The voting issues in my state couldn't be fixed by Democrats because they are are the ones causing those issues. Until my conservative issues are resolved (or included,) I can't bring myself to support liberals with their voting problems.
You brought it up... Voting rights for ex-felons is an ongoing issue; I took your word for it that it was in the bill. Looks like you were lied
to again.
You brought it up... Voting rights for ex-felons is an ongoing issue; took your word for it that it was in the bill. Looks like you were li to again.You should be used to it by now.
On 07-01-21 22:33, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Dems bad bills <=-
Mr. Trump has already a beat a rap from the
southern district of New York,
What and when was that?
I have not heard that he has been charged with
anything -- YET. OTOH, his company and his CFO have been charged.
Donald J. Trump will not be charged with anything
but the CFO might be
charged with something equal to using a company car or staying at a company apartment.
Allowing incarcerated felons to vote would seem to be supported by a
minority in the northeast. But that's not what the original discussion
was about, was it? No, it was about ex-felons, those who have completed
their sentence.
We're both wrong; I don't see anything in the bill about felons.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/summary/00
(Incorrect # of toothpicks)
I still don't trust a Democrat sponsored bill though.
They need to leave states alone be happy with everything they already stole.
226/17Yes it has.
1466
On 07-01-21 22:33, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Dems bad bills <=-
Mr. Trump has already a beat a rap from the
southern district of New York,
What and when was that?
I have not heard that he has been charged with
anything -- YET. OTOH, his company and his CFO have been charged.
Donald J. Trump will not be charged with anything
That is yet to be decided.
I think that 15 felony charges are a bit more serious than that. For starters there was a charge of tax evasion on more than a millionProvide the link and I will read them, or as you have said many times b4 PUSU.
dollars of income. Read the charges.
On 07-03-21 09:57, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: CFO charges <=-
On 03 Jul 2021, Dale Shipp said the following...
Donald J. Trump will not be charged with anything
That is yet to be decided.
Yes it has.
Due to the nature of business, the person at the very top, in this
case Donald J. Trump. It is very difficult to charge him with
anything. because of accountants and attorneys who stand like a army in front of Trump. They will try but will find this endeavor to be futile
and pointless. Let's be honest, It is Trump who they want, it would be
a great prize, make no mistake that is who they are going for in a multitude of ways for a very long time, even before the man became the 45th President.
I think that 15 felony charges are a bit more serious than that. For starters there was a charge of tax evasion on more than a million
dollars of income. Read the charges.
Provide the link and I will read them, or as you have said many times
b4 PUSU.
48 states have stolen the peoples right to vote. And you are fine
with that. I'm not. But you are. Please tell me why. For I can find
no good reason as to why anybody should want to deny any person of
their right to vote.
On 07-03-21 15:05, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Dems bad bills <=-
It's more accurate to say that Nevada stole people's voting rights by accepting ballots 10 days after election day.
48 states have stolen the peoples right to vote. And you are fine
with that. I'm not. But you are. Please tell me why. For I can find
no good reason as to why anybody should want to deny any person of
their right to vote.
That's fly by night propaganda.
It's more accurate to say that Nevada stole people's voting rights by accepting ballots 10 days after election day.
It's more accurate to say that Nevada stole people's voting rights by accepting ballots 10 days after election day.
Can you give their reason for doing that? E.g. were those ballots postmarked on or before election day but delayed by the USPS system?
It's more accurate to say that Nevada stole people's voting rights by accepting ballots 10 days after election day.
Keep crying. Just like your morbidly obese crybaby Donald Trump, whose wild claims of "massive voter fraud" were soundly rejected by the
The actual reason is because the Soros community needed to defeat Trump any way they could. This was the first election that I witnessed in my lifetime where the outcome was able to be manipulated for 10 days past election day.
Maybe the USPS is to blame for the nightmare. I'm not saying Trump won or anything, but all the variables that came into play made Trump's defeat extra aggrivating for conservatives.
Next election, we want to know who the winner is at least by the day after election day, without all the extra last minute Democrat efforts. It just ain't fair to the voters. Elections should be one of the easiest things to organize but there this last one lacked integrity.
On 07-07-21 01:04, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Dems bad bills <=-
It's more accurate to say that Nevada stole
people's voting rights by
accepting ballots 10 days after election day.
Can you give their reason for doing that? E.g. were those ballots postmarked on or before election day but delayed by the USPS system?
The actual reason is because the Soros community needed to defeat
Trump any way they could. This was the first election that I witnessed
in my lifetime where the outcome was able to be manipulated for 10 days past election day.
Maybe the USPS is to blame for the nightmare. I'm not saying Trump won
or anything, but all the variables that came into play made Trump's
defeat extra aggrivating for conservatives. Next election, we want to
know who the winner is at least by the day after election day, without
all the extra last minute Democrat efforts.
It just ain't fair to the voters.
Elections should be one of the easiest things to organize but
there this last one lacked integrity.
rights byIt's more accurate to say that Nevada stole people's voting
accepting ballots 10 days after election day.
Keep crying. Just like your morbidly obese crybaby Donald Trump,whose
wild claims of "massive voter fraud" were soundly rejected by the
Seriously Lee! Trump everything? Trump your breakfast? Trump your lunch? Trump
my balls?
I don't know or care if Trump complained about the Nevada scheme. I'm complaining about it.
The actual reason is because the Soros community needed to defeat Trump way they could. This was the first election that I witnessed in my lifet where the outcome was able to be manipulated for 10 days past election d
The only manipulations came from Trump who said on election night or the next day "frankly, we did win this election" when it was clear he did
not.
Maybe the USPS is to blame for the nightmare. I'm not saying Trump won o anything, but all the variables that came into play made Trump's defeat aggrivating for conservatives.
What variables? If republicans or democrats want to win the election
then put forward a candidate the people can support. Republicans are not going to win an election with the base alone, they need the support of a majority of the people. Donald Trump never had that but Joe Biden did,
It was the large number of mail in votes that took longer to count. Something everyone knew was going to be the case. There was nothing
in my lifetime where the outcome was able to be manipulated for 10 da past election day.
Manipulated is a loaded term. Why are you using it? What is the answer to my original question. Why were those ballots counted? When were
they postmarked?
Actually what happened is a combination of factors.
Second, OTOH, many of those who did not support or believe Trump, voted
in the more safe procedures of mail in ballots or drop boxes.
I don't know or care if Trump complained about the Nevada scheme. I'm complaining about it.
For exactly the same reason as to why Trump is complaining.
And you know why. He is a big crybaby, just like you, for having
lost an election. But at least he had the balls to run. I will
grant him that.
On 07-09-21 00:23, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Dems bad bills <=-
in my lifetime where the outcome was able to be
manipulated for 10 da
past election day.
Manipulated is a loaded term. Why are you using it? What is the answer to my original question. Why were those ballots counted? When were
they postmarked?
We're doing new things; we're counting ballots 10 days after election
day now. It's fine, that's just the way things are now.
Maybe if we
don't get enough red votes in Florida this year, we'll delay results
there to even the score.
Actually what happened is a combination of factors.
Totally. Some of those factors seem legit, and some don't. It's ok.
Now the Democrats have demonstrated how to win an election after losing one, and hopefully the Republicans jotted down some notes on the
subject.
Second, OTOH, many of those who did not support or believe Trump, voted
in the more safe procedures of mail in ballots or drop boxes.
I expect every human on the earth to be enabled to take part in this year's elections. Nevermind what America wants, this year we'll see
what the world wants.
scheme. I'mI don't know or care if Trump complained about the Nevada
complaining about it.
For exactly the same reason as to why Trump is complaining.
And you know why. He is a big crybaby, just like you, for having
lost an election. But at least he had the balls to run. I will
grant him that.
If Biden won the election *on election day* like all other presidents have in the past, then there would be nothing to complain about.
TrumpThe actual reason is because the Soros community needed to defeat
lifetway they could. This was the first election that I witnessed in my
election dwhere the outcome was able to be manipulated for 10 days past
The only manipulations came from Trump who said on election night orthe
next day "frankly, we did win this election" when it was clear he did
not.
Those "Trump manipulations" that you're referring to came after the election
was complete. It's those "Democrat manipulations" which occurred during the
10 days after election day that I'm frustrated with.
won oMaybe the USPS is to blame for the nightmare. I'm not saying Trump
defeatanything, but all the variables that came into play made Trump's
aggrivating for conservatives.
What variables? If republicans or democrats want to win the electionnot
then put forward a candidate the people can support. Republicans are
going to win an election with the base alone, they need the supportof a
majority of the people. Donald Trump never had that but Joe Bidendid,
If the election had occurred *on election day* then Trump would have won.
10 da
past election day.
Manipulated is a loaded term. Why are you using it? What is theanswer
to my original question. Why were those ballots counted? When were
they postmarked?
We're doing new things; we're counting ballots 10 days after election day now.
It's fine, that's just the way things are now.
Maybe if we don't get enough red votes in Florida this year, we'll delay results there to even the score.
Actually what happened is a combination of factors.
Totally. Some of those factors seem legit, and some don't. It's ok. Now the
Democrats have demonstrated how to win an election after losing one, and hopefully the Republicans jotted down some notes on the subject.
Second, OTOH, many of those who did not support or believe Trump,voted
in the more safe procedures of mail in ballots or drop boxes.
I expect every human on the earth to be enabled to take part in this year's
elections. Nevermind what America wants, this year we'll see what the world
wants.
It's not that Biden won; it's that Trump lost. Republicans now want to JT>change the rules to make sure that doesn't happen again. It's the only way JT>they can win.
It's not that Biden won; it's that Trump lost. Republicans now want to JT>change the rules to make sure that doesn't happen again. It's the only JT>they can win.There's a big problem with your statement (accusation) here:
Actually, several big problems;
1. If Trump `lost'....why the big effort on the left's part to suppress any and all attempts to audit the voting count?
If Trump lost so big....you'd think the left would WELCOME a complete audit and/or recount...a complet checking of the voting `machines' for accuracy, in order to prove beyond doubt that he did in fact lose!
2. The more impropriety that is revealed the louder and harder the left protests to it....going so far as to quickly change rules and protocols
to prevent the truth of the matter coming out. Which seems to frighten
the hell out of the left!
3. If there's nothing to hide.....why is the left working so hard to
hide it?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
Those "Trump manipulations" that you're referring to came after the election was complete.
It's those "Democrat manipulations" which occurred during the 10 days after election day that I'm frustrated with.
What variables? If republicans or democrats want to win the election
then put forward a candidate the people can support. Republicans are not going to win an election with the base alone, they need the support of a majority of the people. Donald Trump never had that but Joe Biden did,
If the election had occurred *on election day* then Trump would have
won.
Thanks to the generosity of liberal states like Nevada, Biden had
at least 10 days to catch up, which is not typical of elections in the states.
We should count the ballots until all legitimate ballots are counted.
That is the way it should be.
Maybe if we
don't get enough red votes in Florida this year, we'll delay results there to even the score.
Delaying the results does not even the score once all legitimate ballots have been counted. At that point, the administrators tally the votes
Actually what happened is a combination of factors.
Totally. Some of those factors seem legit, and some don't. It's ok.
What factor does not seem legitimate to you?
That they have -- and the path taken based on those notes seems to be "make sure some people cannot vote next time".
That expectation is wrong. The proper expectation should be that every American citizen who is eligible to vote can do so without having impediments being placed to make that right more difficult.
On 07-11-21 15:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Dems bad bills <=-
We should count the ballots until all legitimate ballots are counted.
That is the way it should be.
But how long should that take?
I guess stuff can delay it but why
never before until the TDS era?
It's ok, there are a million excuses
out there, but the bottom line is that election officials have failed,
and Americans can no longer expect next-day certification.
Maybe if we
don't get enough red votes in Florida this year, we'll delay results there to even the score.
Delaying the results does not even the score once all legitimate ballots have been counted. At that point, the administrators tally the votes
I agree. "Delay the results" isn't what I meant. I mean if we don't
get the # of votes we want, we'll extend hours at polling places
keeping them open for 10 days past the election, or longer if 10 days isn't long enough.
It's time for Republicans to toughen up.
Actually what happened is a combination of factors.
Totally. Some of those factors seem legit, and some don't. It's ok.
What factor does not seem legitimate to you?
Using the pandemic as an excuse, keeping polling places open well past
the deadline, mass-mailing ballots (or at least mass-mailing ballot applications,)
dishonestly re-routing registered Republicans at polling places,
starting new traffic patterns "for construction" right on
election day,
those are the items that concern me the most, far more
than Trump's exagerated "fraudulent ballots"
story.
We should count the ballots until all legitimate ballots are counted.
That is the way it should be.
But how long should that take?
As long as it takes.
I agree. "Delay the results" isn't what I meant. I mean if we don't
get the # of votes we want, we'll extend hours at polling places
keeping them open for 10 days past the election, or longer if 10 days isn't long enough.
Just why would you do that? The election is on a certain day. That was
true for this election, and should remain true. What you are
complaining about is the fact that not all votes cast on or before
election day got counted the same day. You can blame part of that on
Trump's appointment of Postmaster General, who did all he could to delay
the USPS delivery of ballots.
On 07-14-21 17:08, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Dems bad bills <=-
Maybe he has strayed from his initial claim, but I thought he was
claiming that some places were counting ballots that were not mailed or cast by the deadline.
As for the Postmaster General, many of the things that are blamed on
him are not new. Removing the "blue boxes" and trimming back post
office hours has been going on since at least 2009, when I moved to
where I live now. I don't know what other shenanigans this PG got up
to, but I doubt any of them were new ideas.
Those "Trump manipulations" that you're referring to came after the election was complete.
No, trump was talking that way well before the election.
He was saying things like "the only way we can lose is if it's rigged".
There were no democrat manipulations. It is the republicans who continue
If the election had occurred *on election day* then Trump would have won.
The election did occur on election day, Nov 3, 2020. Donald Trump and the republican party continues their war on democracy even today.
Thanks to the generosity of liberal states like Nevada, Biden had
at least 10 days to catch up, which is not typical of elections in th states.
It wasn't a matter of catching up, it was a simple matter of counting the votes.
He was saying things like "the only way we can lose is if it's rigged".
Before the election, liberal media was pushing a fake story about "Trump will refuse to leave office if he loses and he will need to be removed forcefully."
They were full of it.
The election did occur on election day, Nov 3, 2020. Donald Trump and the
republican party continues their war on democracy even today.
We didn't have a winner until January. Every year we have our winners the day after election day, except for last year.
It wasn't a matter of catching up, it was a simple matter of counting the
votes.
I know you mean well, but that's incorrect. In-person ballots were still being submitted by voters for 10 extra days after election day (In Nevada.)
Even fox news reported on Jan 7 that Donald Trump lost the election and that Joe Biden won on Nov 7, 2020.
We didn't have a winner until January. Every year we have our winners
the day after election day, except for last year.
We should count the ballots until all legitimate ballots are counted. That is the way it should be.
But how long should that take?
As long as it takes.
It's ok, there are a million excuses
out there, but the bottom line is that election officials have failed
Just how do you think that the election officials failed?
Trump's appointment of Postmaster General, who did all he could to delay the USPS delivery of ballots.
It's time for Republicans to toughen up.
And do what? Go back to Jim Crow days to restrict voting?
Using the pandemic as an excuse, keeping polling places open well pas the deadline, mass-mailing ballots (or at least mass-mailing ballot applications,)
Nothing wrong with those things.
dishonestly re-routing registered Republicans at polling places,
I am not aware of that -- when, where and how did that happen?
Could you give specific info on where, when and why that happened?
It sounds similar to something that the Republicans did in one of the Dakotas, with the result of making it much harder for a large group of Hispanic voters to vote.
On 07-15-21 02:14, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Dems bad bills <=-
We should count the ballots until all legitimate
ballots are counted.
That is the way it should be.
But how long should that take?
As long as it takes.
In some states, it takes a long time to get the results that Democrat governor seek.
We didn't have a winner until January. Every year we have our winners the day after election day, except for last year.
That's simply not true. Often the numbers will play out in such a way
I know you mean well, but that's incorrect. In-person ballots were still being submitted by voters for 10 extra days after election day (In Nevad
I don't think so. I don't think people in Nevada were voting 10 days
after the election. Do you have any kind of proof to go along with that claim?
I can't find any news reports about it at the moment. But I lived it; I watched the news each day and, unless I'm crazy, the news told us about it while it was happening.
You're probably significantly older than me. I'm 42 & I never remember waiting until January to find out who won an election. However, it would be convenient for many people if everyone had selective amnesia.We didn't have a winner until January. Every year we have our wi the day after election day, except for last year.That's simply not true. Often the numbers will play out in such a way
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
You're probably significantly older than me. I'm 42 & I never remember waiting until January to find out who won an election. However, it
would be convenient for many people if everyone had selective amnesia.
You're probably significantly older than me. I'm 42 & I never remembe waiting until January to find out who won an election. However, it would be convenient for many people if everyone had selective amnesiaOr short attention spans. Like what the Lefties have been pushing for years now.
On 07-17-21 22:44, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Dems bad bills <=-
We didn't have a winner until January. Every year
we have our winners
the day after election day, except for last year.
That's simply not true. Often the numbers will play out in such a way
You're probably significantly older than me. I'm 42 & I never remember waiting until January to find out who won an election. However, it
would be convenient for many people if everyone had selective amnesia.
winnersWe didn't have a winner until January. Every year we have our
the day after election day, except for last year.
That's simply not true. Often the numbers will play out in such a way
You're probably significantly older than me. I'm 42 & I never remember waiting
until January to find out who won an election. However, it would be convenient
for many people if everyone had selective amnesia.
stillI know you mean well, but that's incorrect. In-person ballots were
Nevadbeing submitted by voters for 10 extra days after election day (In
I don't think so. I don't think people in Nevada were voting 10 daysthat
after the election. Do you have any kind of proof to go along with
claim?
I can't find any news reports about it at the moment.
There has been lots of misinformation reported about the 2020 election by Donald Trump himself and less than reputable news outlets. Maybe they should be called misinformation outlets.
I uderstand it's tough when "your guy" loses an election but denying the fact doesn't help. Every election has a winner and a loser. Once the
I am almost twice your age, and also never recall an election for
which the result was not known until January, including the 2020
election. Although the "official" result is not until January 6, the results are pretty well known anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. This past year, the election of Biden was announced on Nov 7 -- only a
claim?
I can't find any news reports about it at the moment.
No shit.
Nevada kept their polls open until Nov 17 and that wasn't fair. How hard is it for some rich guy like George Soros to pay a bunch of people in Nevada to go and make Biden catch up nationally? That's just one of the tricks they pulled.
On 07-26-21 14:17, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Election Results <=-
I am almost twice your age, and also never recall an election for
which the result was not known until January, including the 2020
election. Although the "official" result is not until January 6, the results are pretty well known anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. This past year, the election of Biden was announced on Nov 7 -- only a
Nevada kept their polls open until Nov 17 and that wasn't fair. How
Nevada kept their polls open until Nov 17 and that wasn't fair. HowI have searched for confirmation of that statement and cannot find any. What I did find was that Nevada keep their polls open for an extra four hours in order to accommodate people who were already in line and also those who could not vote earlier because of a malfunction.
I'm going to need to see some proof that Nevada kept their polls open until November 17th, because that's a pretty big lie.
I'm going to need to see some proof that Nevada kept their polls open until November 17th, because that's a pretty big lie.I was wrong. Nevada accepted mail in ballots (postmarked by Nov 3) for 10 extra days past the election. 2 other states did the same thing. It's dishonest, but it made your people happy.
I was wrong. Nevada accepted mail in ballots (postmarked by Nov 3) fo extra days past the election. 2 other states did the same thing. It's dishonest, but it made your people happy.
It's not dishonest. The postmark proves that the vote was cast on or before election day. It ensures that even if the mail system (which, by the way, was being intentionally hindered by Trump cronie DeJoy) took 10 days to deliver the vote, it would still get counted.
It's not dishonest. The postmark proves that the vote was cast on or before election day. It ensures that even if the mail system (which, the way, was being intentionally hindered by Trump cronie DeJoy) took days to deliver the vote, it would still get counted.It's dishonest. It's never been done before, but now we do it "in the
name of covid."
Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
There has been lots of misinformation reported about the 2020 election by Donald Trump himself and less than reputable news outlets. Maybe they should be called misinformation outlets.
Those phrases are outdated because no news outlets are to be trusted anymore.
Those media outlets (Fox, OAN, NewsMax) are untrusted. There are plenty
of trustworthy news outlets if you care about that.
Those media outlets (Fox, OAN, NewsMax) are untrusted. There are
plenty of trustworthy news outlets if you care about that.
I trust none of them. They all have agendas.
I trust none of them. They all have agendas.
The truth is not that hard to find.
I trust none of them. They all have agendas.
The truth is not that hard to find.
The anwers we seek are not hard to find, but that doesn't make it the truth.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
The truth is not that hard to find.
The anwers we seek are not hard to find, but that doesn't make it the truth.
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