Today Trump went to visit the Texas border with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott. And while there, Trump made a speech. What did he talk about? The
border, perhaps?
Today Trump went to visit the Texas border with Texas Gov. Greg Abbot And while there, Trump made a speech. What did he talk about? The border, perhaps?Lee has some photos of Trump that I think you would love to see.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's done.I think you will be disappointed. Trump is not done, not by a long shot, as
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's done.I think you will be disappointed. Trump is not done, not by a long shot, as you will witness.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's done.I think you will be disappointed. Trump is not done, not by a long shot,
as you will witness.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's done.I think you will be disappointed.
Trump is not done, not by a long shot, as you will witness.
You do not want me to make a list with all the nonsense you claimedI'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's done.I think you will be disappointed. Trump is not done, not by a long sho as you will witness.
Trump would do and that we would witness ...
And while there, Trump made a speech. What did he talk about? Th border, perhaps?Lee has some photos of Trump that I think you would love to see.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's done.
I am not qualified to say, but that would be a vast improvement to the incoherent pieces of trash (Biden / Harris) we have currently have in TheI'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's done.I think you will be disappointed. Trump is not done, not by a long sh as you will witness.
Yes, yes, so we've heard. He'll be reinstated in August, right?
Hi Greg,
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's done.I think you will be disappointed. Trump is not done, not by a long sho as you will witness.
You do not want me to make a list with all the nonsense you claimed
Trump would do and that we would witness ...
Really?Well I don't want to spoil all the fun, your just going to have to wait,
Trump is not done, not by a long shot, as you will witness.
What is it you think we are going to witness?
If I'm not mistaken, you already have said this, or something similar.I am not qualified to say, but that would be a vast improvement to theYes, yes, so we've heard. He'll be reinstated in August, right?I'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's done.I think you will be disappointed. Trump is not done, not by a lo as you will witness.
incoherent pieces of trash (Biden / Harris) we have currently have in The White House, Biden's mind is going faster then the Hal-9000, only this time there is no Dave.
It's not just Biden / Harris stinking up the place, its all the other people pulling the stings not to mention the ones operating his jaw, but the other master of puppets controlling every other bodily appendage. Biden is complete disgrace.
Trump will continue to live rent free in your head and every left minded DemocRAT or Liberal for many years come.
At least the last 4 letters of Republican and American is ICAN.
What is it you think we are going to witness?Well I don't want to spoil all the fun, your just going to have to wait, but the good news, it will come way before Christmas.
230See.. It's starting already, thinking I said something about the future that has happened yet. All I need to do is ease the seat back, and watch the Biden Administration continue to dissolve, as the smugness loses its shape.
On 02 Jul 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
If I'm not mistaken, you already have said this, or something similar.I am not qualified to say, but that would be a vast improvement to thYes, yes, so we've heard. He'll be reinstated in August, right?I'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's donI think you will be disappointed. Trump is not done, not by as you will witness.
Biden's mind is doing fine.Fine? Is that what you call this train wreck, with the gaffes, giving new
It's not just Biden / Harris stinking up the place, its all the other people pulling the stings not to mention the ones operating his jaw, b the other master of puppets controlling every other bodily appendage. Biden is complete disgrace.I see.
230What's the matter Jeff, lost faith in CNN and MSNBC's of the world?
On 02 Jul 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
What is it you think we are going to witness?Well I don't want to spoil all the fun, your just going to have to wa but the good news, it will come way before Christmas.
See now, you just told me you weren't qualified to say this. What's the deal?
Today Trump went to visit the Texas border with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott.
And while there, Trump made a speech. What did he talk about? The
border, perhaps?
Lee has some photos of Trump that I think you would love to see.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's done.I think you will be disappointed.
Really?
Trump is not done, not by a long shot, as you will witness.
What is it you think we are going to witness?
See.. It's starting already, thinking I said something about the future that has happened yet. All I need to do is ease the seat back, and watch the Biden Administration continue to dissolve, as the smugness loses its shape.If I'm not mistaken, you already have said this, or something similarYes, yes, so we've heard. He'll be reinstated in August, riI am not qualified to say, but that would be a vast improvement
Biden's mind is doing fine.Fine? Is that what you call this train wreck, with the gaffes, giving new names for the ATF and RAF, and then repeating *these* new names several times within a speech. Some of us, if not the majority see things quite differently as in the country being destroyed within this short period
of « a year.
That is what sets us apart, and I do not mean you Jeff with myself, but Conservative from a Liberal.
People like me think that Trump's America First policy was really
awesome, we are the same kind of people who get excited and eager to celebrate July 4th like it was Christmas. Where as the date of July 4th
to people like you it's just another day to you and you could care less
if you ever see another firework ever again, how do I know this, because my boss is liberal and this was spoken by him as we discussing our
holiday plans. Liberals look down upon the U.S.A. with a sternness and hold much contempt for the United States of America and really don't
have a clue, why the 4th of July is celebrated.
What's the matter Jeff, lost faith in CNN and MSNBC's of the world?See now, you just told me you weren't qualified to say this. What's t deal?What is it you think we are going to witness?Well I don't want to spoil all the fun, your just going to have but the good news, it will come way before Christmas.
Are you finally finding out that what they are broadcasting is
worthless, and not becoming realty? You should of known as I have been saying for long time that the truth will not remain in darkness as it
will always find its way to the light.
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but Trump's done.
I think you will be disappointed. Trump is not done, not by a long sh
as you will witness.
Yes, yes, so we've heard. He'll be reinstated in August, right?
I am not qualified to say, but that would be a vast improvement to the incoherent pieces of trash (Biden / Harris) we have currently have in The White House, Biden's mind is going faster then the Hal-9000, only this time
there is no Dave.
Really?
Trump is not done, not by a long shot, as you will witness.
What is it you think we are going to witness?
Well I don't want to spoil all the fun, your just going to have to wait, but
the good news, it will come way before Christmas.
You have said plenty about the future that never happened.
JT> GD> JT> Biden's mind is doing fine.
Fine? Is that what you call this train wreck, with the gaffes, giving names for the ATF and RAF, and then repeating *these* new names sever times within a speech. Some of us, if not the majority see things qui differently as in the country being destroyed within this short perio of « a year.
That's old news. Haven't you got anything new?
I know exactly why the 4th of July is celebrated. I celebrate it, too,
but not in a super-hyper, flag-waving, "USA! USA! USA!" kind of way. I understand that our country is not, and has not been, perfect by any means, and choose to acknowledge that rather than ignore it.
You have said plenty about the future that never happened.But the Democrats have said volumes more.
Such as:
That's old news. Haven't you got anything new?If that is old as you have suggested then everything then why is Trump still within the news cycle? The fact that you have called that old is
I know exactly why the 4th of July is celebrated. I celebrate it, too, but not in a super-hyper, flag-waving, "USA! USA! USA!" kind of way. I understand that our country is not, and has not been, perfect by any means, and choose to acknowledge that rather than ignore it.The USA is and will always be the most desired destination in the world. Our Nation will forever be free from socialism and or a dictatorship.
More people have prospered and have become wealthy under capitalism then socialism.
Of course Our Country will remain one of the freest nations on the
planet, as well as Land of the free and the Home of the Brave.
But... if your not happy here than I will contribute to your one way
plane ticket out of the U.S. If I lived closer, I would even help you pack.
I know exactly why the 4th of July is celebrated. I celebrate it, too,
but not in a super-hyper, flag-waving, "USA! USA! USA!" kind of way. I
understand that our country is not, and has not been, perfect by any
means, and choose to acknowledge that rather than ignore it.
The USA is and will always be the most desired destination in the world. Our Nation will forever be free from socialism and or a dictatorship.
More people have prospered and have become wealthy under capitalism then socialism.
Of course Our Country will remain one of the freest nations on the planet, as well as Land of the free and the Home of the Brave.
But... if your not happy here than I will contribute to your one way plane ticket out of the U.S. If I lived closer, I would even help you pack.
I never said I wasn't happy here. Having legitimate criticisms against one's own country is not a measure of unhappiness. Why are you trying to equate the two? Are you trying to say that the only way that someone can be happy living in the US is to gloss over past indiscretions? How strange.
I never said I wasn't happy here. Having legitimate criticisms agains one's own country is not a measure of unhappiness. Why are you trying equate the two? Are you trying to say that the only way that someone be happy living in the US is to gloss over past indiscretions? How strange.But Jeff by your own statement you are living in the past, criticizing things that happened in the past to point out how bad things are. Strange indeed...
5 Reasons Why America Will Not Collapse Like the Roman Empire https://tinyurl.com/5t6t32hxI know exactly why the 4th of July is celebrated. I celebrate it, but not in a super-hyper, flag-waving, "USA! USA! USA!" kind of w understand that our country is not, and has not been, perfect by means, and choose to acknowledge that rather than ignore it.The USA is and will always be the most desired destination in the wor Our Nation will forever be free from socialism and or a dictatorship.
I'm sure 2nd-century Romans felt the same about Rome.
More people have prospered and have become wealthy under capitalism t socialism.
The 4th of July is not about capitalism vs. socialism.I never made this comparison, or tried to tie the 4th of July into that statement. The fact stands up on its own that more people have prospered w/ capitalism then socialism. Some on the left adore socialism, yet those who do are apparently lousy as historians, socialism has brought nothing put sadness and disparity everywhere it has been tried.
That's the problem with liberals as they see the similarities in our moral decay with Rome, and with the history of the U.S.Of course Our Country will remain one of the freest nations on the planet, as well as Land of the free and the Home of the Brave.
would refer you again to 2nd-century Rome.
There are hundreds if not thousands of moments within the history of the U.S. that speak to the positivity of Our Nation, only a liberal would choose to highlight our failings, and on this day of July 4th of all days.But... if your not happy here than I will contribute to your one way plane ticket out of the U.S. If I lived closer, I would even help you pack.
I never said I wasn't happy here. Having legitimate criticisms against one's own country is not a measure of unhappiness. Why are you trying to equate the two? Are you trying to say that the only way that someone can be happy living in the US is to gloss over past indiscretions? How strange.
I'm sure 2nd-century Romans felt the same about Rome.5 Reasons Why America Will Not Collapse Like the Roman Empire https://tinyurl.com/5t6t32hx
I never made this comparison, or tried to tie the 4th of July into thatMore people have prospered and have become wealthy under capital socialism.The 4th of July is not about capitalism vs. socialism.
statement. The fact stands up on its own that more people have
prospered w/ capitalism then socialism. Some on the left adore
socialism, yet those who do are apparently lousy as historians,
socialism has brought nothing put sadness and disparity everywhere it
has been tried.
That's the problem with liberals as they see the similarities in ourOf course Our Country will remain one of the freest nations on the planet, as well as Land of the free and the Home of the Brave.would refer you again to 2nd-century Rome.
moral decay with Rome, and with the history of the U.S.
This accounts for the shrill, dogmatic tone of modern liberalism. Always looking on the darker side as it relates what the U.S. has done.
This is pointless.
Liberals are all about the Victim-hood mentality.Trump is the biggest victim out there. Just listen to him, he'll tell you how much of a victim he is.
If there's anything wrong in your life, liberals have a reason, and the reason is never you did this to yourself.
Are you a teen with an unwanted pregnancy? It's because the government didn't educate you about pregnancy and give you free birth control, not because you had sex before you were ready to be a parent.
You're the victim here.
Are you a racial minority who is in trouble with the law? The problem is with the law and the people who enforce it, not the fact that you broke it. You're the victim here.
Are you a college graduate with tons of student debt? The problem is
that the government didn't tax everyone to pay your tuition for you, not the fact that you willingly took out those loans.
You're the victim here.
Are you struggling to find a job you like because you can't relocate and have no skills that employers are looking for in your area? It's because of big, evil, greedy corporations, not because of your lack of skills. You're the victim here.
If you're wondering why things are so hard for you, liberals will never tell you to look in the mirror to discover the cause of the problem,
even though that's usually where you can find the answer.
I never said I wasn't happy here. Having legitimate criticisms agains one's own country is not a measure of unhappiness. Why are you trying equate the two? Are you trying to say that the only way that someone be happy living in the US is to gloss over past indiscretions? How strange.There are hundreds if not thousands of moments within the history of the U.S. that speak to the positivity of Our Nation, only a liberal would choose to highlight our failings, and on this day of July 4th of all
days. Yes that is indeed strange.
Ok, where is this socialist utopia that you speak of?socialism has brought nothing put sadness and disparity everywhere it has been tried.
Thinking that the US will survive forever when it's not even 300 years into existence is overly optimistic in my opinion. That's extremelyDid you ever the expression, Rome was not built in a day?
young as civilization goes. Also, Rome did not fall because of moral decay.
Sometimes problems are due to external sources. Also, not everyone
starts out on the same footing and with the same resources available to them.
It's a time to reflect on ourselves as a nation, the good and the bad,
and try to make ourselves the country we think we should be.
Jeff Squires wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
But Jeff by your own statement you are living in the past, criticizing things that happened in the past to point out how bad things are.
Strange indeed...
Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
I never made this comparison, or tried to tie the 4th of July into that statement. The fact stands up on its own that more people have
prospered w/ capitalism then socialism. Some on the left adore
socialism, yet those who do are apparently lousy as historians,
socialism has brought nothing put sadness and disparity everywhere it
has been tried.
If you're wondering why things are so hard for you, liberals will never tell you to look in the mirror to discover the cause of the problem,
even though that's usually where you can find the answer.
On 05 Jul 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...
I never said I wasn't happy here. Having legitimate criticisms againBut Jeff by your own statement you are living in the past, criticizing things that happened in the past to point out how bad things are. Strange indeed...
one's own country is not a measure of unhappiness. Why are you tryin
equate the two? Are you trying to say that the only way that someone
be happy living in the US is to gloss over past indiscretions? How strange.
"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
-- Winston Churchill
No, not everywhere. Nice try, though. However, what really saps prosperity is >authoritarianism. Where there's socialism and authoritarianism, it fails. >Where there's socialism without authoritarianism, it thrives. The same is >true for Democracy.
Ok, where is this socialist utopia that you speak of?socialism has brought nothing put sadness and disparity everywhe has been tried.
Thinking that the US will survive forever when it's not even 300 year into existence is overly optimistic in my opinion. That's extremely young as civilization goes. Also, Rome did not fall because of moral decay.Did you ever the expression, Rome was not built in a day?
Neither was the United States of America, keep your shirt on..
Sometimes problems are due to external sources. Also, not everyone starts out on the same footing and with the same resources available them.
Right? It's always someone else's fault...
It's a time to reflect on ourselves as a nation, the good and the bad and try to make ourselves the country we think we should be.I think we will be just fine with Conservative Values and Principles.
"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."I cannot disagree with that. The US was not, and still isn't, perfect, but it is a lot better than many seem to want to give it credit for. Learning from the past is great... continuing to dredge it up, like it
-- Winston Churchill
is still current, means you never get out of the past or move on from it.
I believe we have a little too much of both going on right now... those not learning from the past at all, and those wanting to keep old wounds open as long as they can. I don't understand either, but really don't understand the latter.
No, not everywhere. Nice try, though. However, what really saps prosperit >authoritarianism. Where there's socialism and authoritarianism, it fails. >Where there's socialism without authoritarianism, it thrives. The same is >true for Democracy.You cannot have full socialism where there is not authoritarianism, at least not anywhere that you are trying to force it on a group that has tasted any level of freedom.
Here are many web sites that would disagree with you. https://tinyurl.com/s242dbkOk, where is this socialist utopia that you speak of?
Every industrialized country except the US has universal healthcare, for one.
We'll see. Of course I hope nothing happens to the US, my country, but every empire over the ages has fallen. Every single one.So now you think that the U.S. is a empire?
It's a time to reflect on ourselves as a nation, the good and th and try to make ourselves the country we think we should be.I think we will be just fine with Conservative Values and Principles.
Of course you do. But others disagree.
Here are many web sites that would disagree with you. https://tinyurl.com/s242dbkOk, where is this socialist utopia that you speak of?Every industrialized country except the US has universal healthcare, one.
We'll see. Of course I hope nothing happens to the US, my country, bu every empire over the ages has fallen. Every single one.So now you think that the U.S. is a empire?
Is it not obvious yet, that the Conservative base does not care what liberals do or say, as they are minor annoyance growing evermore insignificant with each hour of every day in this circus that is called the Biden Administration.Of course you do. But others disagree.It's a time to reflect on ourselves as a nation, the good a and try to make ourselves the country we think we should beI think we will be just fine with Conservative Values and Princi
Being critical of one's own country is not necessarily pointing out "how bad things are." Both you and Gregory seem to have this black & white, "with us or against us" mentality, which I do not share.
No, not everywhere. Nice try, though. However, what really saps prosperity
is
authoritarianism. Where there's socialism and authoritarianism, it fails.
Where there's socialism without authoritarianism, it thrives. The same is
true for Democracy.
You cannot have full socialism where there is not authoritarianism, at least not anywhere that you are trying to force it on a group that has tasted any level of freedom.
And then there's the weirdness of keeping statues honoring Confederates around...
Being critical of one's own country is not necessarily pointing out " bad things are." Both you and Gregory seem to have this black & white "with us or against us" mentality, which I do not share.For me it's "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything
at all". I get sick and tired of hearing all the moaning and complaining about this country but here very little of what people are going to do
to make it better.
And is it not obvious to you that conservatives, and especially far-right conservatives, are not even close to a majority in this country?The results are in, and it's not looking good for liberals. Awww Too Bad... Which means your voice does not carry as far as you think it does. (CNSNews.com) -- Polling data from 2019 show that America is "center-right" politically, with 37% describing themselves as "conservative," 35% saying
And is it not obvious to you that conservatives, and especially far-r conservatives, are not even close to a majority in this country?The results are in, and it's not looking good for liberals. Awww Too Bad... Which means your voice does not carry as far as you think it
does. (CNSNews.com) -- Polling data from 2019 show that America is "center-right" politically, with 37% describing themselves as "conservative," 35% saying they are "moderate," and only 24% stating
they are "liberal."
Being critical of one's own country is not necessarily pointing out"how
bad things are." Both you and Gregory seem to have this black &white,
"with us or against us" mentality, which I do not share.
For me it's "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". I get sick and tired of hearing all the moaning and complaining about
this country but here very little of what people are going to do to make it
better.
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you
ask what you can do for your country."
from John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961
Here are many web sites that would disagree with you. https://tinyurl.com/s242dbkOk, where is this socialist utopia that you speak of?Every industrialized country except the US has universal healthcare, one.
We will not move on from it until we fully address it.
And then there's the weirdness of keeping statues honoring Confederates around...
You cannot have full socialism where there is not authoritarianism, at least not anywhere that you are trying to force it on a group that has tasted any level of freedom.
Nor full democracy. And that's the #1 reason Trump had to go.
We'll see. Of course I hope nothing happens to the US, my country, bu >GD> JT> every empire over the ages has fallen. Every single one.So now you think that the U.S. is a empire?
Of course it is.
For me it's "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"
I get sick and tired of hearing all the moaning and complaining about this coun
try but here very little of what people are going to do to make it better.
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you
ask what you can do for your country."
from John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961
We've been through this before, Gregory. Here's a question for you: Are all countries that have universal healthcare "socialist" countries, yes or no?
If yes, then "socialism" has indeed worked all over the world.
If no, then why is universal healthcare "socialist" in the US?
You also have to assume that the universal healthcare in these countries actually works like Democrats in our country want us to believe it does.
In talking to persons who have lived in Canada and the UK, for example, it
is not all sunshine and lolly pops like some Americans seem to believe it
is.
So, if you can still get private coverage without being forced into paying some tax disguised as a "penalty" for doing so, then no I don't see that as socialism. If you have to pay a penalty, then it is a program that leans socialist that cannot work without non-users being forced to pay into it.
If you cannot get private coverage, then it is socialism and likely does
not "work" any better than what we have now.
We will not move on from it until we fully address it.It seemed like it was all addressed when I was younger. Then some more recent generation, not learning and not wanting to let go, stirs it back up.
Meanwhile, most of the folks that do horrible things go to prison for it. Not sure what other things we could do to them, aside denying them
trials. Since the death penalty is also a no-no for the not-learners and not-let-goers, it would seem a little hypocritical to send the guilty to the gallows.
So ultimately, the bad cops and haters go to jail but we have to put up with all of the no-learner, no-let-go childishness in between.
And then there's the weirdness of keeping statues honoring Confederates around...The people who seem most in the not-learner, not-let-goer group don't
seem to live in the South, unless you are implying that places like Minneapolis, Portland, and other Northern places have those statues around, too. That would indeed be awful weird.
Hurting people's feelings does not an authoritarian make.You cannot have full socialism where there is not authoritarianism, least not anywhere that you are trying to force it on a group that tasted any level of freedom.Nor full democracy. And that's the #1 reason Trump had to go.
Explain. I have my reasons for believing it could be considered one.Of course it is.We'll see. Of course I hope nothing happens to the US, my countr >GD> JT> every empire over the ages has fallen. Every single one.So now you think that the U.S. is a empire?
You also have to assume that the universal healthcare in these countries actually works like Democrats in our country want us to believe it does. In talking to persons who have lived in Canada and the UK, for example,
it is not all sunshine and lolly pops like some Americans seem to
believe it is.
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
What I hear from them is that you are better off if you can afford
private coverage vs. what the government provides. OTOH, most all I
have ever heard from people in our country who want universal health
care is that, in order for it to work, everyone has to be on it and
there can be no private care.
So, like all socialist programs, people must be FORCED into the program. Oh, and the program will still fail. It will simply take longer. EVERY time this has been tried, it's failed. But the Anointed Ones keep believing that it fails because **they** weren't in charge.
We will not move on from it until we fully address it.
It seemed like it was all addressed when I was younger. Then some more recent generation, not learning and not wanting to let go, stirs it back up.
Meanwhile, most of the folks that do horrible things go to prison for it.
Not sure what other things we could do to them, aside denying them trials.
Since the death penalty is also a no-no for the not-learners and not-let-goers, it would seem a little hypocritical to send the guilty to the
gallows.
So ultimately, the bad cops and haters go to jail but we have to put up with all of the no-learner, no-let-go childishness in between.
And then there's the weirdness of keeping statues honoring Confederates
around...
The people who seem most in the not-learner, not-let-goer group don't seem to live in the South, unless you are implying that places like Minneapolis,
Portland, and other Northern places have those statues around, too. That would indeed be awful weird.
We'll see. Of course I hope nothing happens to the US, my country,
bu
every empire over the ages has fallen. Every single one.
So now you think that the U.S. is a empire?
Of course it is.
Explain. I have my reasons for believing it could be considered one.
We will not move on from it until we fully address it.
It seemed like it was all addressed when I was younger. Then somemore
recent generation, not learning and not wanting to let go, stirs itback
up.
Current events would indicate that it has not, in fact, been fully addressed.
It's not some new generation "not learning;" it's previous generations announcing that it's all over and everything's just hunky dory when it's not.
Meanwhile, most of the folks that do horrible things go to prison forit.
Not sure what other things we could do to them, aside denying themand
trials. Since the death penalty is also a no-no for the not-learners
not-let-goers, it would seem a little hypocritical to send the guiltyto
the gallows.
Lots of people who do not-o-horrible things get lengthy prison sentences for
that, too.
So ultimately, the bad cops and haters go to jail but we have to putup
with all of the no-learner, no-let-go childishness in between.
Bad cops do not, in general, go to jail.
ConfederatesAnd then there's the weirdness of keeping statues honoring
around...
The people who seem most in the not-learner, not-let-goer group don't
seem to live in the South, unless you are implying that places like
Minneapolis, Portland, and other Northern places have those statues
around, too. That would indeed be awful weird.
If by no-learner, not-let0goer group those who can't haven't learned and can't admit that the South lost the Civil War, then they do indeed live in the South. And elsewhere as well.
authoritarianism,You cannot have full socialism where there is not
thatleast not anywhere that you are trying to force it on a group
tasted any level of freedom.
Nor full democracy. And that's the #1 reason Trump had to go.
Hurting people's feelings does not an authoritarian make.
Authoritarianism isn't just a quality of Trump; it's a quality of many of his
supporters, which makes the whole authoritarianism thing work. Interestingly,
psychologist have found that a person's views on child-rearing are a strong
indicator of authoritarianism (which includes submission to authoritarianism), and also were a strong predictor of Trump supporters.
Which of the following do you consider to be the more important trait in children:
independence or respect for their elders?
curiosity or good manners?
self-reliance or obedience?
being considerate or being well-behaved?
In each case, the latter choice predicts authoritarianism.
If a Canadian needs treatment they get it regardless of whether or not they are employed or their finacial situation.
Which of the following do you consider to be the more important trait in children:
independence or respect for their elders?
curiosity or good manners?
self-reliance or obedience?
being considerate or being well-behaved?
On 07 Jul 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
Explain. I have my reasons for believing it could be considered one.Of course it is.We'll see. Of course I hope nothing happens to the US, my countSo now you think that the U.S. is a empire?
every empire over the ages has fallen. Every single one.
Simple: We fit the definition of an empire. We are a large collection of states spreading our influence throughout the world, often by military force.
I have family in Canada. I have family in Texas. I have been privy to very interesting discussions about the Canadian healthcare system and the American right-wing lies about said Canadian healthcare system.
As for the rest, I believe that Alan has addressed your hearsay concerns.
If a Canadian needs treatment they get it regardless of whether or no they are employed or their finacial situation.Democrats here want to do the same thing except we're going to cover all of the earth's humans instead of just American citizens.
Which of the following do you consider to be the more important trait in children:I look at that list and do not see that the first choice contradicts the second. Independent people can have respect for their elders, curious people can have good manners, and most considerate people are well-behaved.
independence or respect for their elders?
curiosity or good manners?
self-reliance or obedience?
being considerate or being well-behaved?
Maybe that is the problem... people who think they are smart look at
these traits and think they somehow contradict each other.
The third question is the only one where I see a potential contradiction, but even then I don't think that one disqualifies the other. My answer
-- they'd better be self-reliant as adults because being overly reliant
on others, and ESPECIALLY the government, will only lead them into trouble. If you want them to be self-reliant as adults you will need to start them on that path at a young age.
If you are trying to list true contradictions it would go more like:
1) Independence vs. dependence (on a government or authority figure)
2) Respect vs. disrespect
3) Curiousity vs. believing everything you are told
4) good manners vs. bad ones
5) self-reliance vs. well, dependence again
6) Independence, again, vs. obedience
7) Considerate vs. inconsiderate
8) well-behaved vs. not well-behaved
9) earning things vs. having them given to you, or feeling "owed"
In this list of actual opposites, I tend to favor the first choice each time. I believe choosing the second option to #s 1, 3, 5, 6, and 9
would be much better indicators of who would favor/follow
authoritarians. Much, MUCH better than your list of mostly non-contradictory terms above.
Ironically (NOT!), those who participated or supported all of the unrest last Summer, some of which continues now, and those that participated in the events of January 6, would both appear to favor the second choice
most of the time. So, basically, you've got your anti-Trumpers and your most feverant Trumpsters all in the same bucket (tho I suspect the
latter would pick the first choice a couple of times).
I believe we should not do that. I also believe that it is time we start lessening our influence. Joe Biden does not appear to believe that we should stop spreading our influence, so I would guess that his supporters as a whole also do not.Simple: We fit the definition of an empire. We are a large collection of states spreading our influence throughout the world, often by military fExplain. I have my reasons for believing it could be considered onSo now you think that the U.S. is a empire?Of course it is.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
If a Canadian needs treatment they get it regardless of whether or not they are employed or their finacial situation.
Democrats here want to do the same thing except we're going to cover
all of the earth's humans instead of just American citizens.
I have family in Canada. I have family in Texas. I have been privy to ve interesting discussions about the Canadian healthcare system and the Ame right-wing lies about said Canadian healthcare system.
As for the rest, I believe that Alan has addressed your hearsay concernsNot hearsay... most Americans have had ample opportunity to get both
doses of their shot. Many Canadians, and others in social medicine countries, are still waiting on theirs.
And Al confirmed that if you want beyond basic coverage you have to pay for it yourself. If you have an emergency, I do not believe that hospitals in the US are allowed to turn you away (something he mentioned was covered by their basic coverage).
If you want basic, universal healthcare, Al said it was availble to all citizens. Why don't you move to, and become a citizen of, Canada? They speak English in most provinces, so there is no language barrier.
If you don't like their climate, he says the UK basic coverage is even better.
If a Canadian needs treatment they get it regardless of whether or not
they are employed or their finacial situation.
Democrats here want to do the same thing except we're going to cover all of
the earth's humans instead of just American citizens.
Which of the following do you consider to be the more important trait in
children:
independence or respect for their elders?
curiosity or good manners?
self-reliance or obedience?
being considerate or being well-behaved?
I look at that list and do not see that the first choice contradicts the second. Independent people can have respect for their elders, curious people can have good manners, and most considerate people are well-behaved.
Maybe that is the problem... people who think they are smart look at these traits and think they somehow contradict each other.
The third question is the only one where I see a potential contradiction, but even then I don't think that one disqualifies the other. My answer -- they'd better be self-reliant as adults because being overly reliant on others, and ESPECIALLY the government, will only lead them into trouble.
If you want them to be self-reliant as adults you will need to start them on that path at a young age.
If you are trying to list true contradictions it would go more like:
1) Independence vs. dependence (on a government or authority figure)
2) Respect vs. disrespect
3) Curiousity vs. believing everything you are told
4) good manners vs. bad ones
5) self-reliance vs. well, dependence again
6) Independence, again, vs. obedience
7) Considerate vs. inconsiderate
8) well-behaved vs. not well-behaved
9) earning things vs. having them given to you, or feeling "owed"
In this list of actual opposites, I tend to favor the first choice each time. I believe choosing the second option to #s 1, 3, 5, 6, and 9 would be
much better indicators of who would favor/follow authoritarians. Much, MUCH
better than your list of mostly non-contradictory terms above.
Ironically (NOT!), those who participated or supported all of the unrest last Summer, some of which continues now, and those that participated in the
events of January 6, would both appear to favor the second choice most of the time. So, basically, you've got your anti-Trumpers and your most feverant Trumpsters all in the same bucket (tho I suspect the latter would pick the first choice a couple of times).
Hmmmm.
my countWe'll see. Of course I hope nothing happens to the US,
every empire over the ages has fallen. Every single one.
So now you think that the U.S. is a empire?
Of course it is.
Explain. I have my reasons for believing it could be considered one.
Simple: We fit the definition of an empire. We are a large collection of
states spreading our influence throughout the world, often by military
force.
I believe we should not do that. I also believe that it is time we start lessening our influence. Joe Biden does not appear to believe that we should stop spreading our influence, so I would guess that his supporters as a whole also do not.
I have family in Canada. I have family in Texas. I have been privy to very
interesting discussions about the Canadian healthcare system and the
American
right-wing lies about said Canadian healthcare system.
As for the rest, I believe that Alan has addressed your hearsay concerns.
Not hearsay... most Americans have had ample opportunity to get both doses of their shot. Many Canadians, and others in social medicine countries, are still waiting on theirs.
I don't see that mentioned in this echo, except by Michael Mrak when he and
I discussed the shot a couple weeks back, but I have seen it brought up multiple times by multiple citizens of non-US countries in other echos.
And Al confirmed that if you want beyond basic coverage you have to pay for it yourself. If you have an emergency, I do not believe that hospitals
in the US are allowed to turn you away (something he mentioned was covered by their basic coverage).
If you want basic, universal healthcare, Al said it was availble to all citizens.
Why don't you move to, and become a citizen of, Canada?
They speak English in most provinces, so there is no language barrier.
If you don't like their climate, he says the UK basic coverage is even better.
Alan leaves out the long wait times Canadians have for treatment for many things. Also the lower quality of care and lack of innovation in the Canadian health industry.
Democrats here want to do the same thing except we're going to cover of the earth's humans instead of just American citizens.
Says who?
Democrats here want to do the same thing except we're going to cover of
the earth's humans instead of just American citizens.
"America Last." ~Donald Trump's new campaign slogan
On 07-08-21 17:05, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Tired of Trump's crap <=-
Which of the following do you consider to be the more important trait in children:
independence or respect for their elders?
curiosity or good manners?
self-reliance or obedience?
being considerate or being well-behaved?
I look at that list and do not see that the first choice contradicts
the second. Independent people can have respect for their elders,
curious people can have good manners, and most considerate people are well-behaved.
Maybe that is the problem... people who think they are smart look at
these traits and think they somehow contradict each other.
We're an open border country. Are we not going to offer universal health care to all who enter? That would be a lousy way to treat our new neighbors.Democrats here want to do the same thing except we're going to c of the earth's humans instead of just American citizens.Says who?
On 08 Jul 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
Which of the following do you consider to be the more important trait iI look at that list and do not see that the first choice contradicts the second. Independent people can have respect for their elders, curious people can have good manners, and most considerate people are well-behaved.
children:
independence or respect for their elders?
curiosity or good manners?
self-reliance or obedience?
being considerate or being well-behaved?
The question is, which do you feel is more important in children. Not adults, children.
Maybe that is the problem... people who think they are smart look at these traits and think they somehow contradict each other.
They do and they don't. But again, it was not suggested that they can't coesxist; the question was which do you find more important in children.
If you are trying to list true contradictions it would go more like:
1) Independence vs. dependence (on a government or authority figure)
2) Respect vs. disrespect
3) Curiousity vs. believing everything you are told
4) good manners vs. bad ones
5) self-reliance vs. well, dependence again
6) Independence, again, vs. obedience
7) Considerate vs. inconsiderate
8) well-behaved vs. not well-behaved
9) earning things vs. having them given to you, or feeling "owed"
That's quite the stacked deck you have there. The traits I listed were all good traits, but their relative priority depended on one's own personal values.
Ironically (NOT!), those who participated or supported all of the unrest last Summer, some of which continues now, and those that participated in the events of January 6, would both appear to favor the second choice most of the time. So, basically, you've got your anti-Trumpers and your most feverant Trumpsters all in the same bucket (tho I suspect the latter would pick the first choice a couple of times).
Not necessarily.
On 08 Jul 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
I believe we should not do that. I also believe that it is time we startSimple: We fit the definition of an empire. We are a large collection oExplain. I have my reasons for believing it could be considered oSo now you think that the U.S. is a empire?Of course it is.
states spreading our influence throughout the world, often by military
lessening our influence. Joe Biden does not appear to believe that we should stop spreading our influence, so I would guess that his supporters
as a whole also do not.
Then you agree that we are an empire, but don't think we should be one?
That listing of traits and choices of preference are typical of some physiological tests. The point is not a choice between good and evil,
but simply a choice in preference. Such tests would have a lot more
than four comparisons and only with a large number of preference choices
can any judgement be made.
What I hear from them is that you are better off if you can afford private coverage vs. what the government provides. OTOH, most all I have ever heard from people in our country who want universal health care is that, in order for it to work, everyone has to be on it and there can be no private care.
If you give people the option to be put into a socialistic program, you will end up with 99% taking with 1% giving and the program will fail.
So, like all socialist programs, people must be FORCED into the program. Oh, and the program will still fail. It will simply take longer. EVERY time this
has been tried, it's failed. But the Anointed Ones keep believing that it fails because **they** weren't in charge.
And this is a simple example of the end result of all socialism: totalitarianism.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
If a Canadian needs treatment they get it regardless of whether or not they are employed or their finacial situation.
Democrats here want to do the same thing except we're going to cover
all of the earth's humans instead of just American citizens.
Alan leaves out the long wait times Canadians have for treatment for many things. Also the lower quality of care and lack of innovation in the Canadian
health industry.
Lefties are ignorant of basic economics (Thomas Sowell's book Basic Economics is a really easy, and good, read on this topic). They do not understand that all resources have some level of scarcity. Lefties, being that they believe are The Anointed Ones, want to believe that **they** are best suited to manage
those scarse resources. They have proven, time and time again, that they are completely (and sometimes horribly) wrong.
And I'd like to point out how often Canadians come to the U.S. for some of their treatments. Just like nearly all nations that have socialized health care do.
Alan leaves out the long wait times Canadians have for treatment for many
things. Also the lower quality of care and lack of innovation in the
Canadian health industry.
He also either is not too far from a major metropolitan area, or is not old enough yet, to be told he needs to consider moving to such an area or risk losing some of his benefits.
Putting "socialism is an absolute failure" into a search engine does not disprove my statement.
Why you are thumbing your nose at America, pointing out all the bad that this Nation as done. What are you doing to ensure it does not fall?We'll see. Of course I hope nothing happens to the US, my countr every empire over the ages has fallen. Every single one.
So now you think that the U.S. is a empire?
Of course it is.
You cannot have full socialism where there is not authoritarianism, least not anywhere that you are trying to force it on a group that tasted any level of freedom.
Nor full democracy. And that's the #1 reason Trump had to go.
But in three of the four listed, they are not contradictory terms and, in the fourth, they are not necessarily contradictory. In most cases, for a kid, I would say "both!"
Putting "socialism is an absolute failure" into a search engine does disprove my statement.Sure it does there are millions who have suffered under socialism, by searching for such a phrase it confirms, just how wrong you are.
Why you are thumbing your nose at America, pointing out all the bad that this Nation as done. What are you doing to ensure it does not fall? You're not helping whatsoever, now hold the flashlight, while we fix things. or get back into the house and play with your toys.We'll see. Of course I hope nothing happens to the US, my c every empire over the ages has fallen. Every single one.
Leftists are indoctrinating our children to be dysfunctional liberals. Eco-anxiety. Transgenderism. White Privilege. The anti-American, anti-Christian left is teaching our children to be confused, unstable, insane, hateful adults like themselves, if you can call them adults at all. Being more advanced in years without being mature or educated does not make you an adult.
Giving these people their way when they are mentally, emotionally, and socially dysfunctional is not benefiting society.
It's corrupting our culture.
How liberals view our Nation, is the center of the problem.So now you think that the U.S. is a empire?Of course it is.
America was designed not to be an empire but instead to be a federal republic made up of a central government and state governments which
were the precursors and creators of the central government. This
central government founded upon and constrained by a written
constitution originally presented the world with something new, a
national government made up of divided co-equal powers. The Congress to make the laws, the executive to enforce the laws, and the judicial to judge if the laws conformed to the Constitution: the guiding light and touch-stone of American limited government. This worked well to
establish and maintain a republic but it would not foster nor perpetuate an empire.
Thus the Constitution established the framework of what became known as the system of checks and balances. Only congress could make laws, but
the President could veto them. Congress could over-ride a president's veto, but the Supreme Court could declare laws unconstitutional making them null and void. The president is in charge of foreign policy and is the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, but the Congress controlled the purse and could cut off funding. Upon petition the Supreme Court could declare the actions of the president unconstitutional yet the president could appoint justices to the Supreme Court.
No, America Is Not Collapsing Like The Roman Empire Did https://tinyurl.com/uuheb9ts
In a recent poll, most Americans (including Jeff Thiele) believe that "socialism is about universal health care or tuition free education." Socialism, however, is really a social revolution that drastically
changes the relations between workers and capitalists. If capitalism is
an economic system that, with the support of the state's coercive apparatus, puts owners above workers, then socialism is an economic
system that eliminates the role of the capitalists becoming workers once again.
This fundamental change in our social relations requires simply more
than the successful implementation of universal health care or tuition free education or even a state-controlled economy. The Soviet Union,
which had a centrally-planned economy, was probably too poor or lacked
the capital accumulation to transition successfully to socialism. If socialism is understood as the state controlling the means of
production, then the bureaucrats assume the coercive powers of the state the courts, police and military. As we know, this concentration of state power often leads to abuses. And the social relations between workers
and bosses remain unchanged.
What needs to be changed is the social relations, the hierarchical relations between capitalists and workers. The hierarchical work organization of capitalism that places capitalists above workers was required for state accumulation. The average individuals have a tendency to spend and not save. State survival and expansion depended continuous accumulation. There is a mutual dependency between capitalists and the state. But, I think, once some level of accumulation has been achieved, the role of the capitalists becomes unnecessary.
America is the richest and most powerful country in the world. If there
is a first country to transition to socialism, America would be the one. But the history of socialism in America is relatively weak compared to those of other countries. American workers don't necessary always share the same interests. Americans are divided over on the issues of race, gender, and party politics. Class consciousness has been severely weakened.
Perhaps because in America many still believe in becoming their own bosses. Every talented tech worker wants to be an entrepreneur. The problem, thus, with socialism in America is that everyone here wants to become a capitalist. But this American Dream is becoming increasingly unreachable for many young people. Small businesses are disappearing. Large ones are consolidating and merging into even larger entities. The startups of yesterday have become Big Tech.
Americans, particularly young Americans, are frustrated with the chances they are given. The economic pie is getting larger, but they are not getting a bigger piece of it. And they turn to socialism. But this is
not real socialism. To embrace socialism is to embrace revolutionary changes in our social relations. Until Americans are united as workers, socialism in America is just a more benign version of capitalism.
Perhaps this is what the millennials really want, but they want to shock the elders by demanding socialism.
Alan leaves out the long wait times Canadians have for treatment for many >> things. Also the lower quality of care and lack of innovation in the
Canadian health industry.
I never left out wait times. I was not talking about that.
That is a talking point someone else brought about.
He also either is not too far from a major metropolitan area, or is not old enough yet, to be told he needs to consider moving to such an area or risk losing some of his benefits.
I lose no benefits for living in a small town.
I may have to travel to Vancouver or Kamloops for some treatments or surgery i
it is ever needed but I am covered no matter where I live.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I saw a doctor (head of the pediatrics dept) quit his job after working himself half to death. It looks like there's no amount of money that
they could have paid him to stay. So what's universal health care going
to mean for the remaining physicians in that department?
Universal healthcare seems to be on the back burner for Democrats right now. They already have enough schemes in action to milk the taxpayers
dry, don't they? Maybe Joe/George will throw that crap at us at the end
of their term if the easier stuff doesn't cut it for them.
Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-
Otherwise, without the non-socialist actions that bring in the tax revenue, there is no $$$ to redistribute and pay for the programs.
That is the only way a fully-socialist, or communist,
economy/government works. My opinion is that they do not last as long,
so it is questionable whether they really do "work" beyond a generation
or two.
Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-
As I have mentioned in an answer to Jeff today, in most cases both
sides of each question are important if you want your kid to grow up
and be able to take care of themselves. I would not be able to choose
one being better than the other for three of the four listed.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
Giving these people their way when they are mentally, emotionally, and socially dysfunctional is not benefiting society.
It's corrupting our culture.
Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-
That is a talking point someone else brought about.
I also didn't say the above.
I lose no benefits for living in a small town.
I may have to travel to Vancouver or Kamloops for some treatments or surgery if it is ever needed but I am covered no matter where I live.
Like I said, you must live close enough to those towns.
If you lived in Northern Ontario around, say, Terrace Bay (which has a hospital), Schreiber, or Jackfish Lake, and you are old enough, you would have received such a letter suggesting that you move someplace closer to Toronto or another suitable metropolitan area or risk potential loss of benefits.
We're an open border country. Are we not going to offer universal hea care to all who enter? That would be a lousy way to treat our new neighbors.
We're not an "open border country." People get deported pretty much
daily.
We're not an "open border country." People get deported pretty much daily.Our borders are currently closed to legal migration, but undocumented migrants are pouring in at a rate of 4 million per year (that we know
of.) It's wide open. People in descent central American countries are pissed. They want Trump back. "Go home Que Mala! We prefer Trump!"
Applying for asylum is legal immigration. Asylum applicants are not "undocumented." You're intentionally confusing two groups of people, as you have done before and no doubt will do again. Understanding these things is obviously not your strong suit.
I could sure go for some mean tweets now and gas prices at 1.87 per gallon vs what they are now.
Putting "socialism is an absolute failure" into a search engine does not disprove my statement.
https://tinyurl.com/s242dbk
Sure it does there are millions who have suffered under socialism, by searching for such a phrase it confirms, just how wrong you are.
Why you are thumbing your nose at America, pointing out all the bad that this Nation as done. What are you doing to ensure it does not fall?
You're not helping whatsoever, now hold the flashlight, while we fix things. or get back into the house and play with your toys.
In a recent poll, most Americans (including Jeff Thiele) believe that "socialism is about universal health care or tuition free education."
Socialism, however, is really a social revolution that drastically changes the relations between workers and capitalists. If capitalism is an economic system that, with the support of the state's coercive apparatus, puts owners above workers, then socialism is an economic system that eliminates the role of the capitalists becoming workers once again.
America is the richest and most powerful country in the world. If there is a first country to transition to socialism, America would be the one. But the history of socialism in America is relatively weak compared to those of other countries. American workers don't necessary always share the same interests. Americans are divided over on the issues of race, gender, and party politics. Class consciousness has been severely weakened.
Americans, particularly young Americans, are frustrated with the chances they are given. The economic pie is getting larger, but they are not getting a bigger piece of it. And they turn to socialism. But this is not real socialism. To embrace socialism is to embrace revolutionary changes in our social relations. Until Americans are united as workers, socialism in America is just a more benign version of capitalism. Perhaps this is what the millennials really want, but they want to shock the elders by demanding socialism.
I could sure go for some mean tweets now and gas prices at 1.87 per gall what they are now.
I would be willing to trade a few mean tweets here and there for < $3/gallon gas. :( I am not even on twitter so how would I know. Seems like it was only his die-hard followers, the press, and die-hard detractors who paid attention to his every tweet anyway. :)
gallI could sure go for some mean tweets now and gas prices at 1.87 per
what they are now.
I would be willing to trade a few mean tweets here and there for <Seems
$3/gallon gas. :( I am not even on twitter so how would I know.
like it was only his die-hard followers, the press, and die-hard
detractors who paid attention to his every tweet anyway. :)
I was on twitter until the day that Donald Trump was banned from the platform.
I left along with Rush Limbaugh as well as many others.
Maybe the real issue was not so much that they were mean tweets, but perhaps they exposed those on the left for who they are really are?
I was on twitter until the day that Donald Trump was banned from the platform.
I left along with Rush Limbaugh as well as many others.
Maybe the real issue was not so much that they were mean tweets, but
perhaps they exposed those on the left for who they are really are?
What is your understanding on the matter?
Do you think that the people that are coming to the U.S. / Mexican border
are only from the Western Hemisphere?
dry, don't they? Maybe Joe/George will throw that crap at us at the e of their term if the easier stuff doesn't cut it for them.
Probably. "Universal health care" is just another leftie mechanism for controlling
the people.
Applying for asylum is legal immigration. Asylum applicants are not "undocumented." You're intentionally confusing two groups of people, you have done before and no doubt will do again. Understanding these things is obviously not your strong suit.What is your understanding on the matter?
Do you think that the people that are coming to the U.S. / Mexican
border are only from the Western Hemisphere?
But, Gregory, Cuba is THRIVING right now. Just look at the news lately
at all of their citizens playing in the streets, attacking cops, and waiving American flags. Heck if you remove the flag, it is a lot like here!
Then there is Venezuela. They are THRIVING, too. So are all the other Central American countries that have tried socialism over the past 40 or so years. They are all soooo successful that Hollywood elites are
leaving our country in droves to move to these places, leaving
California in shambles.
Why you are thumbing your nose at America, pointing out all the bad that Nation as done. What are you doing to ensure it does not fall?
You're not helping whatsoever, now hold the flashlight, while we fix thi or get back into the house and play with your toys.
And yet he doesn't want to leave. That tells you something.
In a recent poll, most Americans (including Jeff Thiele) believe that "socialism is about universal health care or tuition free education."Those are only social(ist) programs that rely on heavy taxes of capitalism.
Socialism, however, is really a social revolution that drastically chang the relations between workers and capitalists. If capitalism is an econo system that, with the support of the state's coercive apparatus, puts ow above workers, then socialism is an economic system that eliminates the of the capitalists becoming workers once again.Without some capitalism funding the social(ist) programs, those programs would eventually dry up.
America is the richest and most powerful country in the world. If there first country to transition to socialism, America would be the one. But history of socialism in America is relatively weak compared to those of countries. American workers don't necessary always share the same intere Americans are divided over on the issues of race, gender, and party poli Class consciousness has been severely weakened.Most countries that have (temporarily) made a successful transition to a socialist economy have done so by removing those that were not of the
same race, class, or background from those that are in charge.
All these folks that believe that socialism = everyone of all walks of life living together in harmony have not learned much from history.
Americans, particularly young Americans, are frustrated with the chances are given. The economic pie is getting larger, but they are not getting bigger piece of it. And they turn to socialism. But this is not real socialism. To embrace socialism is to embrace revolutionary changes in o social relations. Until Americans are united as workers, socialism in Am is just a more benign version of capitalism. Perhaps this is what the millennials really want, but they want to shock the elders by demanding socialism.It isn't just the millennials. Many of my college classmates in the 1980s-90s thought they wanted socialism, or full-blown communism, too. Some of them were real upset when the Iron Curtain in Eastern Europe started falling. The "we could do it better and make it work" mantra ran strong with them. They were also not above the idea that removing those that opposed them was ok.
But, Gregory, Cuba is THRIVING right now. Just look at the news lately at all of their citizens playing in the streets, attacking cops, and waiving American flags. Heck if you remove the flag, it is a lot like here!
Then there is Venezuela. They are THRIVING, too. So are all the other Central American countries that have tried socialism over the past 40 or so years. They are all soooo successful that Hollywood elites are leaving our country in droves to move to these places, leaving California in shambles.
And England, France, Sweden, Canada... Are these not socialist countries as well?
Why you are thumbing your nose at America, pointing out all the bad tha
Nation as done. What are you doing to ensure it does not fall?
You're not helping whatsoever, now hold the flashlight, while we fix th
or get back into the house and play with your toys.
And yet he doesn't want to leave. That tells you something.
Of course not. I have just as much right to be here as you do.
Without some capitalism funding the social(ist) programs, those program
Explain those socialist countries that are doing quite well, then.
Most countries that have (temporarily) made a successful transition to a socialist economy have done so by removing those that were not of the same race, class, or background from those that are in charge.
Oh, really? Like, say, Norway?
And yet, socialism has apparently worked well in many countries. Not, of course, the "full-blown communism" you describe here, but you're intentionally blurring the line between the two, aren't you?
And England, France, Sweden, Canada... Are these not socialist countries well?We've already covered that. Non socialist countries using capitalism to fund social(ist) programs.
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
You calling countries socialist when they are not doesn't blur any
lines?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Healthcare is a topic that stirs emotions for a lot of people. Obama fooled the crap out of people with his false advertisement (myself included) and now it's Joe's turn to play around with it. Let's see how many suckerfish he can reel in!
Gregory Deyss wrote to Mike Powell <=-
I was on twitter until the day that Donald Trump was banned from the platform. I left along with Rush Limbaugh as well as many others.
Maybe the real issue was not so much that they were mean tweets, but perhaps they exposed those on the left for who they are really are?
Mike Powell wrote to GREGORY DEYSS <=-
Back during the Obama administration, there used to be claims from
border area ranchers that prayer rugs and other things not usually associated with Mexico/Central America were found on their property. I cannot speak to the truthfulness of these claims.
But Denmark came back shortly after that to say that they weren't socialist.
On 15 Jul 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
And England, France, Sweden, Canada... Are these not socialist countrieWe've already covered that. Non socialist countries using capitalism to fund social(ist) programs.
well?
So if the US followed in their footsteps, would we not continue to be a capitalist country? Or would we be doomed to failure like Cuba and Venezuela? Your argument doesn't hold water.
Back during the Obama administration, there used to be claims from border area ranchers that prayer rugs and other things not usually associated with Mexico/Central America were found on their property. cannot speak to the truthfulness of these claims.
**That's** something that I hadn't heard about before. But it doesn't susprise me in the least.
So if the US followed in their footsteps, would we not continue to be a capitalist country? Or would we be doomed to failure like Cuba and Venez Your argument doesn't hold water.We would be doomed to eventual failure like Greece, a non-socialist country whose social(ist) programs forced it to be in need of a bailout
a few years back when the number of their citizens on various government assistance programs caused their expenditures to far exceed revenue.
Applying for asylum is legal immigration. Asylum applicants are not "undocumented." You're intentionally confusing two groups of people, as you have done before and no doubt will do again. Understanding these things is obviously not your strong suit.
Applying for asylum is legal immigration. Asylum applicants are not "undocumented." You're intentionally confusing two groups of people, you have done before and no doubt will do again. Understanding these things is obviously not your strong suit.You're ignorantly pretending that all illegal migrants are applying for asylum. It's obvious that you're full of it. You refuse to admit that illegal immigrants exist. I should just agree with you because that
would be the convenient thing for both of us.
Back during the Obama administration, there used to be claims from border area ranchers that prayer rugs and other things not usually associated with Mexico/Central America were found on their property. I cannot speak to the truthfulness of these claims.
**That's** something that I hadn't heard about before. But it doesn't susprise
me in the least.
On 07-15-21 01:23, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Tired of Trump's crap <=-
Applying for asylum is legal immigration. Asylum applicants are not "undocumented." You're intentionally confusing two groups of people, as you have done before and no doubt will do again. Understanding these things is obviously not your strong suit.
You're ignorantly pretending that all illegal migrants are applying
for asylum. It's obvious that you're full of it. You refuse to admit
that illegal immigrants exist. I should just agree with you because
that would be the convenient thing for both of us.
Mike Powell wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I also think it is humourous that the folks who like to point to
Denmark, Sweden, etc., as successful socialist countries, never bring
up Greece.
Applying for asylum is legal immigration. Asylum applicants are not "undocumented." You're intentionally confusing two groups of people, you have done before and no doubt will do again. Understanding these things is obviously not your strong suit.You're ignorantly pretending that all illegal migrants are applying for asylum. It's obvious that you're full of it. You refuse to admit that illegal immigrants exist. I should just agree with you because that
would be the convenient thing for both of us.
Applying for asylum is legal immigration. Asylum applicants are not "undocumented." You're intentionally confusing two groups of people, you have done before and no doubt will do again. Understanding these things is obviously not your strong suit.You're ignorantly pretending that all illegal migrants are applying for asylum. It's obvious that you're full of it. You refuse to admit that illegal immigrants exist. I should just agree with you because that
would be the convenient thing for both of us.
Undocumented immigrants do exist. I have never denied that. And you can accuse them of what you'd like. But the instant that you accuse them of taking immigration slots from others or being flown around in jets, it's obvious that you are not talking about undocumented immigrants but rather refugees. By referring to them as "illegal" immigrants and then
mentioning circumstances that apply only to those lawfully seeking
asylum, it's clear that you are dishonestly trying to conflate the two completely different groups of people. The same thing happens when you accuse asylum-seekers of sneaking into the country and committing
crimes; that's not how it happens.
OK, there are undocumented people who come into this country not using
the proper channels. These are illegal aliens... Now there are others
who show up at the border and claim they need asylum because they fear
for there life in the country they are coming from. 98% of these are no different the the first group I described with the exception they are trying to use a legal channel to get in under false circumstances. It's
really very simple, those who want to seek asylum in our country should
be housed in a fenced in encampment till they can have there story
checked out. If there story checks out they get a visa, if not they get shipped back to wherever they came. Oh yeah the first group, when they
shipped back to wherever they came. Oh yeah the first group, when they
get caught they get sent back too. If I tried to cross the border into Canada claiming asylum I would not be allowed to roam around the country freely till a judge heard my case.
I strongly question your 98% statistic and am curious where that came from.
The people seeking asylum are kept in custody until they are interviewed by a Border Patrol officer. The officer makes a preliminary judgement as to whether they qualify to stay or are to be deported. Not everyone who reaches this stage is allowed to stay.
The first group are sent back. I don't know about Canada's laws, but
these are the laws here. However, it should be noted that once that
first interview is conducted, the US has information about that person, potentially including name, prospective address, photo, fingerprints,
and DNA. At the point that they request asylum, though, they are
complying with the laws and in good legal standing.
I strongly question your 98% statistic and am curious where that came from.You have over 100 thousand people come over the border most of them are not coming here in fear of there life....
The people seeking asylum are kept in custody until they are intervie by a Border Patrol officer. The officer makes a preliminary judgement to whether they qualify to stay or are to be deported. Not everyone w reaches this stage is allowed to stay.Yes you are correct, but many are being sent off to different states
where they are housed and supported till either there hearing comes up
OR they disappear into the country. In fact Biden's administration has been illegally using a air force base in Texas to fly people to other states..
The first group are sent back. I don't know about Canada's laws, but these are the laws here. However, it should be noted that once that first interview is conducted, the US has information about that perso potentially including name, prospective address, photo, fingerprints, and DNA. At the point that they request asylum, though, they are complying with the laws and in good legal standing.Yes but how many remain that way and home many just vanish into the country some where....
You still don't mention the source of that statistic...
According to the courts, the number who show up for their court dates is pretty high.
Dems are good at suckering people. But it's hard to show people (especially ones who won't do their own research and just listen to the Propaganda) that every Leftie plan always has the opposite impact of
what they say it will have.
You still don't mention the source of that statistic...Your point? Since you can't prove I am wrong the point is moot.
According to the courts, the number who show up for their court dates pretty high.If that is the case then why do we have so many illegal aliens in our country?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
People worry too much about what others think,
and they are conditioned
to put into action whatever the media is saying. By laughing
hysterically at Stephen Colbert's lame jokes, they're showing
solidarity with the media, and with George Floyd; this is how liberals make friends.
Luckily Joe Manchin's not out trying to make friends in DC; he's trying
to make friends in his home state. That's what they all should be
doing.
You still don't mention the source of that statistic...Your point? Since you can't prove I am wrong the point is moot.
Not how it works. You made te claim, you support it, But you're very quick to call it moot...
Not how it works. You made te claim, you support it, But you're very quick to call it moot...I admit I was wrong, it is closer to 71 percent.. https://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/630/
Of course if I were in charge it would be 98 percent....
people". One group would be those who sneak in and attempt to avoid border patrol. The other group would be those who cross the border and turn themselves into border patrol asking for asylum.
On 07-22-21 00:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Tired of Trump's cra <=-
people". One group would be those who sneak in and attempt to avoid border patrol. The other group would be those who cross the border and turn themselves into border patrol asking for asylum.
I went back to his message, about 60 messages ago. I was complaining
about the "rate of illegal immigration" and then Jeff said "It's not illegal to apply for asylum," as if each and every illegal immigrant is asking for asylum.
People worry too much about what others think,
This is part of the Leftie conditioning that these people get early on: Base your self-worth on what others think of you.
Another part of the conditioning process: group pressure to avoid wrong-think.
Because the "illegal aliens" aren't refugees who skipped their court dates. A large number of them are people who overstayed their visas.
Because the "illegal aliens" aren't refugees who skipped their court dates. A large number of them are people who overstayed their visas."A large number" doesn't equal all. You're trashing his side of it
because that's what Master Soros has programmed you to do.
You're just like me whereas we're both bad at adding stuff up!
Quoting Aaron Thomas to Ron Lauzon <=-
"Why are you filling the country up with illegal migrants?"
"Why so many unaccompanied minors?"
"Why are you giving the taliban control of Afghanistan?"
"Who is buying your son's artwork?"
He'll answer with stuff like:
"Because I'm not racist like Trump."
"Because kids are running away from home because of global warming." "Because we need to bring our brave soldiers home."
"My son is legally allowed to sell his artwork to whomever he wants."
Then the liberals don't ask any follow-up questions because they're programmed not to, I assume.
The funny this it that classical Liberals do have critical thinking
skills and are responding with "What? That makes no sense." The group
of people who are pro Biden is shrinking every day (and with every
broken promise).
"A large number" is also far from none. Seeking asylum is not illegal.
Do you or do you not count immigrants who have entered our country
seeking asylum as "illegal aliens?"
You're just like me whereas we're both bad at adding stuff up!
Nope. I'm just more careful about making generalizations like "all" or "never."
"A large number" is also far from none. Seeking asylum is not illegal Do you or do you not count immigrants who have entered our country seeking asylum as "illegal aliens?"I don't get that specific. I also don't call them "illegal aliens"
because aliens are legal migrants who have alien registration numbers and/or social security numbers, and/or have been fingerprinted, unlike your homies.
That's not being careful when you say stuff like "a good number of em." That's the opposite of being careful not to generalize.You're just like me whereas we're both bad at adding stuff up!Nope. I'm just more careful about making generalizations like "all" o "never."
The funny this it that classical Liberals do have critical thinking
skills and are responding with "What? That makes no sense." The group
of people who are pro Biden is shrinking every day (and with every
broken promise).
The current crop of Lefties have no critical thinking skills, so they
accept Biden's answers as gospel because they make "sense" (whatever
that is) to them.
Quoting Mike Powell to Ron Lauzon <=-
The current crop of Lefties have no critical thinking skills, so they
accept Biden's answers as gospel because they make "sense" (whatever
that is) to them.
If they can make sense of some of his gibberish, more power to them.
The funny this it that classical Liberals do have critical thinking
skills and are responding with "What? That makes no sense." The group
of people who are pro Biden is shrinking every day (and with every
broken promise).
Thanks for sharing that positive thought!
There are a lot of smart people who are liberals. They can't keep buying all
this garbage forever. It's got to stop some day.
Louisiana has the best politicians money can buy.
Whey they get bought, they stay bought.
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