Democrats (backed by dark money) are pushing hard for everyone to get vaccinated Aides are supposedly going door to door to try to vaccinate
the people who are on some sort of hit-list which is seemingly available to the elite. (Did you know that the elite can see your medical records?)
I don't support that. How much money will it cost to get these aides out to everybody's home? Just so they can get rejected? That's stupid.
What do the Democrats get out of vaccinating everybody? It's shady. It seems like they failed to kill the quantity they sought with the virus itself, so now they're making up for it with a botched vaccine.
"We want to vaccinate everybody because we care about you all!" LOL!
"We want to vaccinate everybody so we can re-open America!" LOL!
Everything is open. Even the border! Mask wearing is over. Now we're supposed to believe that the Democrats just want to save lives? How many lives are they saving by pushing Soros politics on us? Elimiating bail, eliminating parole, defending Cuomo & Newsome, these actions don't jive with "we want to save lives."
I'm very skeptical about the Democrat push to "vaccinate" America. Look
at what they've done to Lee! How many Lee's are out there saying "Trump" each time they exhale? That ain't normal!
Now that we've evolved into using aborted fetal cells to combat a virus, why don't we do the same thing to safeguard against aids? This novel vaccine doesn't involve antibodies; it manipulates cells. Never been
done before until now.
Democrats (backed by dark money) are pushing hard for everyone to get vaccinated Aides are supposedly going door to door to try to vaccinate
the people who are on some sort of hit-list which is seemingly available to the elite. (Did you know that the elite can see your medical records?)
On 09 Jul 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
Democrats (backed by dark money) are pushing hard for everyone to get vaccinated Aides are supposedly going door to door to try to vaccinate the people who are on some sort of hit-list which is seemingly available to the elite. (Did you know that the elite can see your medical records?)
Can they? Why are they going door to door then? Wouldn't it make more sense to target the people on this "hit list" rather than go door to door?
Again with the Soros crap. Eliminating bail isn't the problem you make it out to be. Rejecting bail is still very much an option. Putting a dollar amount on it accomplishes nothing except inequality. Rejecting parole is also very much an option. That you can't grasp these things is not my problem.
I'm very skeptical about the Democrat push to "vaccinate" America. Look at what they've done to Lee! How many Lee's are out there saying "Trump" each time they exhale? That ain't normal!
How many Aarons are out there saying "Soros" each time they exhale? Look at what the Republicans have done to America!
Also, you seem extremely paranoid. Perhaps you should see someone about that.
Democrats (backed by dark money) are pushing hard for everyone to get vaccinated Aides are supposedly going door to door to try to vaccinate the people who are on some sort of hit-list which is seemingly available to the elite. (Did you know that the elite can see your medical records?)
I've also heard it said that Democrats are also going to use this opportunity to confiscate your guns and Bibles, while they're at it. I don't believe it for a second, but I've heard it. Such is the BS making the rounds. And when this delusional paranoia boils over into violence, whose fault is it? Nobody's, of course. It'll be just another mentally ill lone wolf, or a liberal-engineered false flag, right?
Can they? Why are they going door to door then? Wouldn't it make more se to target the people on this "hit list" rather than go door to door?I read what Aaron said to mean they'd be going door-to-door at houses where people were not on the vaxed list, not every door.
When they eliminate the bail $$$, is the person who put up the $0 bail still on the hook if the person they bailed out skips town? IMHO, that
is the difference. When you put up the money you are doing so because
you are willing to risk that $$ on the bailee showing up when hearing
time comes.
If there is no $$$, but there is still some consequence of the bailee not showing up, I agree with you that the $$$ are not as important. If all consequences are eliminated with the $$$, they I disagree.
How many Aarons are out there saying "Soros" each time they exhale? Look what the Republicans have done to America!Such as? Keep in mind it has to be things that the Biden administration is not continuing to do.
Also, you seem extremely paranoid. Perhaps you should see someone aboutYou seem paranoid about Republicans and Trump. Maybe you should both see someone about that?
I've also heard it said that Democrats are also going to use this opport to confiscate your guns and Bibles, while they're at it. I don't believe for a second, but I've heard it. Such is the BS making the rounds. And w this delusional paranoia boils over into violence, whose fault is it? Nobody's, of course. It'll be just another mentally ill lone wolf, or a liberal-engineered false flag, right?Where did Aaron link this with gun confiscation or violation of religious liberties, or where did he advocate violence in the face of it?
Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-
Now that we've evolved into using aborted fetal cells to combat a
virus, why don't we do the same thing to safeguard against aids? This novel vaccine doesn't involve antibodies; it manipulates cells. Never
been done before until now.
Can they? Why are they going door to door then? Wouldn't it make more sense to target the people on this "hit list" rather than go door to
door?
It's in the interest of public health.
I've been vaccinated and I'm still around. The vaccine is not botched;
it was commissioned and funded by Trump via Operation Warp Speed, remember? Why would Trump want to give Americans a botched vaccine (and even take one himself)?
Again with the Soros crap. Eliminating bail isn't the problem you make
it out to be. Rejecting bail is still very much an option. Putting a dollar amount on it accomplishes nothing except inequality. Rejecting parole is also very much an option. That you can't grasp these things is not my problem.
How many Aarons are out there saying "Soros" each time they exhale? Look at what the Republicans have done to America!
Can they? Why are they going door to door then? Wouldn't it make more sense to target the people on this "hit list" rather than go door to door?Good point! I was just quoting the media which was obviously a mistake.
It's in the interest of public health.Maybe it's a good idea since the country is being flooded with illegal immigrants who have no medical records. Maybe we can break even on covid cases?
I've been vaccinated and I'm still around. The vaccine is not botched it was commissioned and funded by Trump via Operation Warp Speed, remember? Why would Trump want to give Americans a botched vaccine (a even take one himself)?Why all of a sudden does everyone want to listen to Trump?
Again with the Soros crap. Eliminating bail isn't the problem you mak it out to be. Rejecting bail is still very much an option. Putting a dollar amount on it accomplishes nothing except inequality. Rejecting parole is also very much an option. That you can't grasp these things not my problem.Poor people can't afford taxes, so why don't we eliminate that for them too? Cars cost a lot. If you don't want to walk, then you'll work until you have enough money to buy one. If you want to commit crimes, you need to set aside some bail money, unless you live in a Democrat controlled state.
How many Aarons are out there saying "Soros" each time they exhale? L at what the Republicans have done to America!Does he get mad when you don't defend him?
When they eliminate the bail $$$, is the person who put up the $0 bail still on the hook if the person they bailed out skips town? IMHO, that is the difference. When you put up the money you are doing so because you are willing to risk that $$ on the bailee showing up when hearing time comes.
Why must a third party be involved? Of course the person who skipped bail is on the hook; not showing up to court is illegal. It's not like they say, "Oh, they were out on bail and didn't show up? I guess they get to avoid any consequences..." No, a warrant is issued for their arrest. Traffic citations are a common example. In most cases when a person gets a citation, they're given a ticket and let go, with instructions to pay the fine or show up in court on a certain date. If they don't show up then more fines ensue, they're charged with failure to appear in addition to the original crime, and a warrant is issued for their arrest. Contrast that with what happens when someone skips bail. It's exactly the same except somebody loses some money. In fact, the only difference between cash and cashless bail is, well, the cash.
If there is no $$$, but there is still some consequence of the bailee not
showing up, I agree with you that the $$$ are not as important. If all consequences are eliminated with the $$$, they I disagree.
All consequences of not showing up are definitely not eliminated.
novel vaccine doesn't involve antibodies; it manipulates cells. Never been done before until now.
That's not true. They have been experimenting with coronavirus vaccines for a while now - and have failed, sometimes really bad.
The only first here is that the gov't has permitted drug companies to wildly adminster an experimental vaccine (especially where previous attempts have failed so bad) to a wide population WITH LEGAL PROTECTION AGAINST ANY PROBLEMS their vaccines might cause.
It is how bail worked in the past. Someone had to be willing to vouch
for you and willing to lose the money (and maybe risk charges) if you skipped out. That is the difference. If no one is willing to put up
any money to vouch for you, what does that say about you?
If we are only leaving it to the person who skipped, they are already in trouble and don't have as much to lose. Without money, your taking their word that they will show up for their trial, and they won't do whatever
it is they are accused of again while they are waiting.
All of the consequences to the person who is willing to put up your bail are apparently eliminted, the way you describe it.
The only first here is that the gov't has permitted drug companies to wildly adminster an experimental vaccine (especially where previous attempts have failed so bad) to a wide population WITH LEGAL PROTECTI AGAINST ANY PROBLEMS their vaccines might cause.Thanks for pointing that out. Its a good point. Drug companies are now able to inject garbage into people as long as it makes Democrats look good. They are hitting it off!
It is how bail worked in the past. Someone had to be willing to vouch for you and willing to lose the money (and maybe risk charges) if you skipped out. That is the difference. If no one is willing to put up any money to vouch for you, what does that say about you?
So, in other words, "that's the way we've always done it." Assuming that a person's ability to come up with bail money says something about that person's
character is a big assumption, and in my opinion not a very reliable one. It says far more about the resources available to that person.
If we are only leaving it to the person who skipped, they are already in trouble and don't have as much to lose. Without money, your taking their
word that they will show up for their trial, and they won't do whatever it is they are accused of again while they are waiting.
There is nothing to stop a person from providing their own bail money. The person doing the bailing, whoever that may be, may see the bail funds as just the price of springing their buddy. It's not like they're going to go to jail in the person's place, or be in any way held accountable for the person skipping bail. At best, cash bail is a way to offload the hunting down of bail jumpers onto bounty hunters; at worst, it's an unfair treatment of people based on the resources they have available to them.
Those consequences are meaningless inasmuch as they in no way affect the person who committed the crime.
So, in other words, "that's the way we've always done it." Assuming that person's ability to come up with bail money says something about that person'sNot really saying it is right because it was always done like that,
character is a big assumption, and in my opinion not a very reliable one says far more about the resources available to that person.
rather than you are less likely to risk you $$$ if you think you might lose it. If there is no money, and no consequences for the person
putting up the "fake bail," why bother even holding anyone? Why not
just let them all loose until their trials?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I understand what you're saying, that researchers have been
experimenting with coronavirus vaccines for a long time, but the point
I'm trying to make (and maybe I really am wrong) is that Americans have never used a vaccine built with stem cells, until now.
Good point! I was just quoting the media which was obviously a mistak
To be more accurate, you were misquoting the media.
Do you think it's impossible to catch COVID from another American? Is
your brain broken?
Poor people can't afford taxes, so why don't we eliminate that for th too? Cars cost a lot. If you don't want to walk, then you'll work unt you have enough money to buy one. If you want to commit crimes, you n to set aside some bail money, unless you live in a Democrat controlle state.
So the only point of bail money is to punish poor people. Thanks for clarifying that.
Good point! I was just quoting the media which was obviously a m
To be more accurate, you were misquoting the media.I was quoting them word for word. You're saying that I misquoted them
only because you're programmed by the left to reject whatever a conservative says.
Do you think it's impossible to catch COVID from another American? Is your brain broken?While Joe sends millions of untested illegals on flights to various
cities throughout the USA, you're just gonna blame Americans because that's what Ted told you to do.
So the only point of bail money is to punish poor people. Thanks for clarifying that.Instead of making all people responsible for their actions, Democrats
take away all responsibility for all actions. They also open the door
for anyone wanting to run off to Ecuador as an alternative to going to court.
I was quoting them word for word. You're saying that I misquoted themGood point! I was just quoting the media which was obviously a mTo be more accurate, you were misquoting the media.
only because you're programmed by the left to reject whatever a conservative says.
Do you think it's impossible to catch COVID from another American? Is your brain broken?While Joe sends millions of untested illegals on flights to various
cities throughout the USA, you're just gonna blame Americans because that's what Ted told you to do.
Instead of making all people responsible for their actions, DemocratsPoor people can't afford taxes, so why don't we eliminate that f too? Cars cost a lot. If you don't want to walk, then you'll wor you have enough money to buy one. If you want to commit crimes, to set aside some bail money, unless you live in a Democrat cont state.So the only point of bail money is to punish poor people. Thanks for clarifying that.
take away all responsibility for all actions. They also open the door
for anyone wanting to run off to Ecuador as an alternative to going to court.
Getting away with stuff is convenient and lazy. Plus it gets you popularity points with the elite. If you're lucky enough, they'll take
you to their colony on Mars someday, to thank you for supporting all
their lies.
Thanks for pointing that out. Its a good point. Drug companies are no able to inject garbage into people as long as it makes Democrats look good. They are hitting it off!
If only there was a name for the government program for that. Like maybe "Operation Warp Speed" or something like that.
offload the hunting down of bail jumpers onto bounty hunters; at worst, it's an unfair treatment of people based on the resources they have available to them.
Last I heard, stem cell use was illegal. I remember the younger Bush arguing against the use of them. Did Obama legalize it?Thanks for pointing that out. Its a good point. Drug companies a able to inject garbage into people as long as it makes Democrats good. They are hitting it off!If only there was a name for the government program for that. Like ma "Operation Warp Speed" or something like that.
Do you love Operation Warp Speed or do you hate it?
offload the hunting down of bail jumpers onto bounty hunters; at wors it's an unfair treatment of people based on the resources they have available to them.People should remain in jail. No bail for anybody. That's fair.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
People should remain in jail. No bail for anybody. That's fair.
Why is it always the "muh constitution" people who are always so quick
to throw out significant portions of the constitution?
I have a theory that conservatives basically secretly
desire everything that they claim to stand against.
People should remain in jail. No bail for anybody. That's fair.
Why is it always the "muh constitution" people who are always so quick to throw out significant portions of the constitution?
Ken Webber wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-
Why is it always the "muh constitution" people who are always so quick
to throw out significant portions of the constitution?
Dan Cross wrote to Ken Webber <=-
It's amazing the extent to which the "personal responsibility"
crowd can't take responsibility for themselves.
It's amazing the extent to which the "personal responsibility"Wow. The Leftie delusion is strong in this one.
crowd can't take responsibility for themselves.
Dan Cross wrote to Ken Webber <=-
I suspect they cling to religion and faux morality so much
because they know that they're the most immoral people out
there.
I have a theory that conservatives basically secretly
desire everything that they claim to stand against.
No, conservatives stand up for what we believe in, truth, limited government and patriotism. The left on the other does exactly what they claim the right is
Wow. The Leftie delusion is strong in this one.
On 23 Jul 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
It's amazing the extent to which the "personal responsibility" crowd can't take responsibility for themselves.Wow. The Leftie delusion is strong in this one.
Conservatives are always the victim, aren't they. It's part of their identity.
I have a theory that conservatives basically secretly
desire everything that they claim to stand against.
Dan Cross wrote to Ken Webber <=-
I suspect they cling to religion and faux morality so much
because they know that they're the most immoral people out
there.
Yeah, the "cling to religion" part is the most bizarre to me. If the world/God/Jesus/Heaven/Hell worked the way that christianity says those things work, it would mean that many, many of those same christian conservatives would be facing the absolute worst outcome at the end of their life.
The only logical reasoning I have ever been able to come up with as to
why conservatives seem to like christian religion so much is that it
gives them the sense of being in "the elite club" of all the people who are "good" or "going to Heaven" (even though it's quite clear they would never be let in if that were actually a thing). It very much mirrors the beliefs of fundamentalists in that *other* religion (you know, the one that conservatives ironically seem to hate, even though it teaches
pretty much the exact same story, but with characters who are brown instead of white).
I have a theory that leftist basically secretly desire everything that they claim to stand against when it comes to authoritarianism and censorship.
Why is it always the "muh constitution" people who are always so quick
to throw out significant portions of the constitution?
I have a theory that conservatives basically secretly
desire everything that they claim to stand against.
I mean, they make up the overwhelming majority of people
on, say, welfare. But they're so humiliated by that for
some reason, that they rail against it every chance they
get. They're uneducated, so they hate education. They're
less intelligent, so the question the intelligence of
everyone else. It's a pattern.
I suspect they cling to religion and faux morality so much
because they know that they're the most immoral people out
there.
It's all deflection. They feel trapped and are constantly
bitter and angry about their lot in life. They're so
miserable so they believe everyone else should be miserable
too.
It's amazing the extent to which the "personal responsibility"
crowd can't take responsibility for themselves.
I have a theory that conservatives basically secretly
desire everything that they claim to stand against.
No, conservatives stand up for what we believe in, truth, limitedthey
government and patriotism. The left on the other does exactly what
claim the right is
Nah. Conservatives are traitors and cowards, who feel the need
to kowtow to an invisible man in the sky lest they commit some
horrible crime.
Just look at 'em. They all support Donald Trump, who was
raw-dogging a pornstar a few months after his 3rd trophy wife
gave birth to a kid he barely ever sees. But somehow, he's
our moral compass? Fuck oughta here with that bullshit.
Conservatives are all hypocrites.
On 23 Jul 2021 at 08:46a, Ken Webber pondered and said...
Dan Cross wrote to Ken Webber <=-
I suspect they cling to religion and faux morality so much
because they know that they're the most immoral people out
there.
Yeah, the "cling to religion" part is the most bizarre to me. If thethose
world/God/Jesus/Heaven/Hell worked the way that christianity says
things work, it would mean that many, many of those same christianof
conservatives would be facing the absolute worst outcome at the end
their life.
The only logical reasoning I have ever been able to come up with asto
why conservatives seem to like christian religion so much is that itwho
gives them the sense of being in "the elite club" of all the people
are "good" or "going to Heaven" (even though it's quite clear theywould
never be let in if that were actually a thing). It very much mirrorsthe
beliefs of fundamentalists in that *other* religion (you know, theone
that conservatives ironically seem to hate, even though it teaches
pretty much the exact same story, but with characters who are brown
instead of white).
Right? Evangelicals in the US are just the American version of
the Taliban.
What sort of gets me is that they need the threat of eternal
damnation from some invisible man in a chair in the sky to keep
from raping a kid or killing someone. These people need serious professional help.
I have a theory that leftist basically secretly desire everything that
they claim to stand against when it comes to authoritarianism and
censorship.
LOL. Ok, guy who probably gets apoplectic at the mention that
slavery existed in the US.
Where's that Racist dude who was here a few years ago defending
slavery? What was that about authoritarian governments and
censorship, again?
I have a theory that conservatives basically secretly
desire everything that they claim to stand against.
I have a theory that leftist basically secretly desire everything that they
claim to stand against when it comes to authoritarianism and censorship.
Absolutely. They can dish it out, but can't take it for shit.
Hey Dan, what don't you just go back to jerking off in the basement....
I have a theory that leftist basically secretly desire everything that they claim to stand against when it comes to authoritarianism and censorship.
LOL. Ok, guy who probably gets apoplectic at the mention that
slavery existed in the US.
Where's that Racist dude who was here a few years ago defending
slavery?
What was that about authoritarian governments and censorship, again?
Nah. Conservatives are traitors and cowards, who feel the need
to kowtow to an invisible man in the sky lest they commit some
horrible crime.
Just look at 'em. They all support Donald Trump, who was
raw-dogging a pornstar a few months after his 3rd trophy wife
gave birth to a kid he barely ever sees. But somehow, he's
our moral compass? F*** oughta here with that bulls***.
Remind me again of which leader it is whose press secretary recently admitted to working with social media platforms to have posts they
believe to be incorrect flagged and potentially removed, something that the government in China also does?
Jeff Thiele wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Conservatives are always the victim, aren't they. It's part of their identity.
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Don't you have to repair the wheels on the trailer
you live in?
Ken Webber wrote to Dan Cross <=-
The only logical reasoning I have ever been able to come up with as to
why conservatives seem to like christian religion so much is that it
Mike Powell wrote to DAN CROSS <=-
I have a theory that leftist basically secretly desire everything that they claim to stand against when it comes to authoritarianism and censorship.
No. I actually have a job.
Absolutely. They can dish it out, but can't take it for shit.
Hey Dan, what don't you just go back to jerking off in the basement....
Conservatives are always the victim, aren't they. It's part of their identity.More Leftie projection. All the "victims" I've seen lately have been Lefties trying to play the "I'm more important than you because I'm a bigger victim."
Remind me again of which leader it is whose press secretary recently admitted to working with social media platforms to have posts they believe to be incorrect flagged and potentially removed, something that the government in China also does?
China censors posts that are critical of the government, while US social media companies are working to remove posts that are provably false.
A "belief" and a fact are two very different animals.
What if I decided that you've been calling out liberals more for rule violations than conservatives? Could it be that the liberal contingent has actually been committing more violations, or is it that you're unfairly targetting liberals. I think we both know good and well what the answer is, but what if I decided that I "believe" that you're targetting liberals with your censorship? How valid is that "belief?" What's going on in social media is exactly the same, but vice-versa.
I have a theory that leftist basically secretly desire everything that they claim to stand against when it comes to authoritarianism and censorship.
It's not a theory. They are making it very clear that they desire those things.
It's like they are using Orewell's 1984 as a manual.
More Leftie projection. All the "victims" I've seen lately have been Lefties trying to play the "I'm more important than you because I'm a bigger victim."
The biggest victim ever was Donald Trump. Just ask him.
Nah. Conservatives are traitors and cowards, who feel the need
to kowtow to an invisible man in the sky lest they commit some
horrible crime.
Religious conservatives maybe. There are many fiscal conservatives who don't fit in your rather narrow view.
Just look at 'em. They all support Donald Trump, who was
raw-dogging a pornstar a few months after his 3rd trophy wife
gave birth to a kid he barely ever sees. But somehow, he's
our moral compass? F*** oughta here with that bulls***.
1) Language. This is not a free speech echo.
China censors posts that are critical of the government, while US social media companies are working to remove posts that are provably false.US social media companies apparently have the right to do such things,
*on their own*, as a part of the user agreement. When the government
gets involved in assisting them in doing so, a line has been crossed.
The next line, between working to assist removing posts which the administration says are not "facts," and claiming that any post they
don't like is not a "fact," is a very thin one.
Jen Psaki said they were working together during one of her daily
pressers earlier this month. To my knowledge, Jen is not a right-wing conspiracy theorist.
Would you have felt all warm and fuzzy if one of Trump's press
secretaries had admitted that they were working with social media to remove posts that were non-factual? I, for one, would NOT have.
A "belief" and a fact are two very different animals.Yes. Several months ago, COVID could not be transmitted between humans. That was a "fact" then because WHO and Chinese scientists said so. Government officials like Pelosi, deBlassio, and Cuomo cited this fact when claiming it was completely safe to continue to dine, shop, and celebrate in the cities and social areas of their districts. That
"fact" was very quickly proven false.
Until recently, the idea that the virus might have originated in a lab facility in Whuhan was not only a "belief," it was a conspiracy theory
per the current administration and social media platforms. Social media posts that were spreading this belief were removed. While still not proven as a "fact" now, the possibility that it was accidentally leaked from a lab is now an acceptable theory vs. a conspiracy.
Government appointee Fauci has flip flopped with some of his "facts," saying at various times that masks (worn one at a time) are affective against the spread, then stating that, well, you might need to wear more than one at a time for masks to be affective. Very early on, he shared
a "fact" that the general public didn't need masks at all.
Just last week, at a town hall meeting hosted by Don Lemon, President Biden stated that vaccinated people are not getting the virus. That
is not a "fact" at all. Also last week, our state published some numbers which indicate that, while most hospitalizations still involve non-vaccinated people, 20-25% of new cases here are amongst vaccinated people.
When it is government politicians, their appointees, and social media platforms that are determining and telling us what is "fact" vs. what is not, pardon me for being skeptical.
What if I decided that you've been calling out liberals more for rule violations than conservatives? Could it be that the liberal contingent h actually been committing more violations, or is it that you're unfairly targetting liberals. I think we both know good and well what the answer but what if I decided that I "believe" that you're targetting liberals w your censorship? How valid is that "belief?" What's going on in social m is exactly the same, but vice-versa.Right now, the number of folks that have actually been asked to follow
the rules, blantantly said they would not, and whose posts no longer
show up in the moderated version of the echo stands right at 50-50%.
The first one it happened to was very much not a liberal.
What is going on with social media is not the same because, to my knowledge, no one with the current administration has ever claimed publicly that they are working with me to remove content.
What if I decided that you've been calling out liberals more for rule violations than conservatives? Could it be that the liberal contingent h actually been committing more violations, or is it that you're unfairly targetting liberals. I think we both know good and well what the answer but what if I decided that I "believe" that you're targetting liberals w your censorship? How valid is that "belief?" What's going on in social m is exactly the same, but vice-versa.Right now, the number of folks that have actually been asked to follow
the rules, blantantly said they would not, and whose posts no longer
show up in the moderated version of the echo stands right at 50-50%.
The first one it happened to was very much not a liberal.
I cannot disagree, he sure turned into one at the end.More Leftie projection. All the "victims" I've seen lately have be Lefties trying to play the "I'm more important than you because I'm bigger victim."The biggest victim ever was Donald Trump. Just ask him.
I was quoting them word for word. You're saying that I misquoted them only because you're programmed by the left to reject whatever a conservative says.
Oh, really? The media said that the people going door to door had a hit-list of the unvaccinated? Or was that your embellishment?
While Joe sends millions of untested illegals on flights to various cities throughout the USA, you're just gonna blame Americans because that's what Ted told you to do.
Ted who? And what are yo talking about? Americans who refuse to be vaccinated are spreading COVID.
People are still responsible for their actions. It's not like bail is a get-out-of=jail-free card or anything.
So which media outlet mentioned this "hit-list?"
Who is Ted? And in fact, COVID has been spread for American to American. You are scapegoating people who are neither illegal nor untested. This
is your ignorance again; although undocumented immigrants exist, the people you're blaming are not they.
Instead of making all people responsible for their actions, Democrats take away all responsibility for all actions. They also open the door for anyone wanting to run off to Ecuador as an alternative to going t court.
Uh, no. Skipping bail is not without consequences, whether money is involved or not. I have no idea what you're referring to about Ecuador.
People who skip bail get away with nothing. It's not like if they don't show up for court they get off scot-free. That's not how it works.
They said it but with different words.I was quoting them word for word. You're saying that I misquoted only because you're programmed by the left to reject whatever a conservative says.Oh, really? The media said that the people going door to door had a hit-list of the unvaccinated? Or was that your embellishment?
Ted is the media. How do you know that Americans who refuse to be vaccinated are spreading covid? It been in the news for months thatWhile Joe sends millions of untested illegals on flights to vari cities throughout the USA, you're just gonna blame Americans bec that's what Ted told you to do.Ted who? And what are yo talking about? Americans who refuse to be vaccinated are spreading COVID.
people with the vaccine are still able to spread the virus. Were you quoting the news?
People are still responsible for their actions. It's not like bail is get-out-of=jail-free card or anything.But it gets them out of jail for free!
So which media outlet mentioned this "hit-list?"They said "the biden admin is going door to door to encourage
unvaccinated Americans to take the aborted fetal cells intravenously"
but they said it in other words. We all heard it no matter which cult
you belong to.
Who is Ted? And in fact, COVID has been spread for American to Americ You are scapegoating people who are neither illegal nor untested. Thi is your ignorance again; although undocumented immigrants exist, the people you're blaming are not they.It's Joe's fault for bringing them here. Passing a covid test is not a requirement for asylum. We can put numbers on people, but they are still "undocumented" from a security standpoint. The sheriff can tell you whether or not I'm wanted by police in the USA, but he can't tell you whether or not one of Joe's guests is wanted by police in their home country.
Ah, Just because a country has no extradition treaty with the US doesn't mean that US criminals are safe there.Instead of making all people responsible for their actions, Demo take away all responsibility for all actions. They also open the for anyone wanting to run off to Ecuador as an alternative to go court.
Uh, no. Skipping bail is not without consequences, whether money is involved or not. I have no idea what you're referring to about Ecuado
No problem. Clueing liberals in is my specialty:
Ecuador is a country with no extradition treaty with the USA. Instead of showing up for court, you have the option of showing up in Ecuador with swim trunks and sunscreen, because court is for suckers.
People who skip bail get away with nothing. It's not like if they don show up for court they get off scot-free. That's not how it works.
It's exactly how it works. Orlando Tercero ran off to Niacaragua after killing an upsate NY girl. He effectively escaped a life sentence by court-shopping. He's serving his sentence in a jail close to his
hometown, where family and friends can visit easily. Whatever's best for the criminals, right Jeff?
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
Just last week, at a town hall meeting hosted by Don Lemon, President Biden stated that vaccinated people are not getting the virus. That
is not a "fact" at all. Also last week, our state published some
numbers which indicate that, while most hospitalizations still involve non-vaccinated people, 20-25% of new cases here are amongst vaccinated people.
Now that the CDC has admitted that the PCR test that has been widely
used to test for COVID cannot differentiate between COVID and common
flu, I wonder how many of these cases are really just common flu.
Dan Cross wrote to Ken Webber <=-
Right? Evangelicals in the US are just the American version of
the Taliban.
What sort of gets me is that they need the threat of eternal
damnation from some invisible man in a chair in the sky to keep
from raping a kid or killing someone. These people need serious professional help.
Ron Lauzon wrote to Ken Webber <=-
I see you have fallen for the Leftie Narrative. You are greatly
mistaken if you think that all convervatives are christians and vice versa.
Conservatives are always the victim, aren't they. It's part of their identity.
Do you love Operation Warp Speed or do you hate it?
Neither. But it's very interesting how you were very quick to pretend it had never happened when Ron tried to make the vaccines a Democrat conspiracy.
People should remain in jail. No bail for anybody. That's fair.
It's certainly more fair than basing their temporary release on how much money they can come up with.
People should remain in jail. No bail for anybody. That's fair.
Why is it always the "muh constitution" people who are always so quick
to throw out significant portions of the constitution?
claim to stand against when it comes to authoritarianism and censorsh
Joe Biden debunked your theory on January 20, 2021.
Donald Trump and his followers are still pouting.
The vaccines ARE a Democrat conspiracy whether Trump helped develop them or not. Catholics are not in a hurry to say "abortion is ok now becauseDo you love Operation Warp Speed or do you hate it?Neither. But it's very interesting how you were very quick to pretend had never happened when Ron tried to make the vaccines a Democrat conspiracy.
it helps fight covid." Democrats are happy to spread covid around the country via undocumented covid-positive migrants on trains & planes.
I get it that Democrats are desperate to get all citizens vaccinated but they're only doing it so they can come back around later and say "you'd
be dead if it weren't for aborted fetal cells." The ways that covid can
be exploited are endless. And the # of variants being incubated in
various WHO laboratories throughout the world means that you better get ready to inject dozens of vaccines over the next several years, and that you better love abortion. Maybe these virii will even drive the demand
for more abortions. That will justify US taxpayer funded abortions
around the world.
Sounds like a deal! Let's tell our state representatives that we wantPeople should remain in jail. No bail for anybody. That's fair.It's certainly more fair than basing their temporary release on how m money they can come up with.
jail for all.
Why is it always the "muh constitution" people who are always so quic to throw out significant portions of the constitution?Because people in this country are no longer getting what they signed up for.
The criteria for determining which posts are in violation is not, and has never been, "posts that they don't like." It is posts that are provably false and/or dangerous.
Would you have felt all warm and fuzzy if one of Trump's press secretaries had admitted that they were working with social media to remove posts that were non-factual? I, for one, would NOT have.
If, in fact, that were what they were doing, yes.
A "belief" and a fact are two very different animals.Yes. Several months ago, COVID could not be transmitted between humans. That was a "fact" then because WHO and Chinese scientists said so. Government officials like Pelosi, deBlassio, and Cuomo cited this fact when claiming it was completely safe to continue to dine, shop, and celebrate in the cities and social areas of their districts. That "fact" was very quickly proven false.
And when it was proven false, they changed their advice, did they not? People can be, and often are, wrong. The difference is in being able to admit it, accept the new information, and proceed accordingly.
Look, I work in IT. I know a thing or two about IT, but aside from some basic first aid and CPR knowledge, I am not a medical professional. I'm going to trust the people who *are* medical professionals to give me medical advice, because that's what they're trained to do.
So it's not "us vs. them;" it's far more nuanced than that. And it's certainly not based on politics, at least from my point of view. For others, though it seems to be very much based on politics.
Government appointee Fauci has flip flopped with some of his "facts," saying at various times that masks (worn one at a time) are affective against the spread, then stating that, well, you might need to wear more than one at a time for masks to be affective. Very early on, he shared a "fact" that the general public didn't need masks at all.
He never said that masks were not effective at all. That is a lie. What he said in the very early days of the pandemic was that the then-limited supply of masks would be more effectively used by front-line workers.
When it is government politicians, their appointees, and social media platforms that are determining and telling us what is "fact" vs. what is not, pardon me for being skeptical.
Fair enough, but just how skeptical were you about Trump's claims that COVID was a hoax, wasn't any worse than the flu, would just "disappear," etc.? Do you remember who the non-political medical professional denouncing those claims was? Yep, Fauci.
Who you choose to trust seems to depend not so much on their status as a politician, but on the political party they're in. I trusted Fauci then, and I'll trust him over Biden and Lemon now.
Ok, but I'm talking about recent history, in the last few months. I've seen a definite tendency toward warning liberals. (Never mind for the moment that I'm fully aware that those were indeed infractions and I do believe to the best of my knowledge that you are being fair; this is only hypothetical and I'm not actually accusing you of anything.)
What is going on with social media is not the same because, to my knowledge, no one with the current administration has ever claimed publicly that they are working with me to remove content.
So who exactly defined the list of words that constitute vulgarity?
This, with the sides switched, is *exactly* what is behind the social media "bias" against conservatives and the fact-checking "bias" against conservatives as well.
We're the victims of "illegal aliens."
We're the victims of violent "thugs."
We're the victims of Chinese trade agreements.
We're the victims of Chinese biological weapons.
We're the victims of the Paris Accords.
We're the victims of NATO.
He's the victim of a "witch hunt."
He's the victim of women who allege that he committed sexual battery.
Conservatives are the victims of changing national demographics,
Our children are the victims of "liberal indoctrination."
We're the victims of Muslim terrorists.
Rural voters are the victims of the political establishment.
Our nation is the victim of kneeling sports figures.
He's the victim of voter fraud.
Just last week, at a town hall meeting hosted by Don Lemon, President Biden stated that vaccinated people are not getting the virus. That
is not a "fact" at all. Also last week, our state published some numbers which indicate that, while most hospitalizations still involve non-vaccinated people, 20-25% of new cases here are amongst vaccinated people.
Now that the CDC has admitted that the PCR test that has been widely used to >test for COVID cannot differentiate between COVID and common flu, I wonder how >many of these cases are really just common flu.
Oh, really? The media said that the people going door to door had a hit-list of the unvaccinated? Or was that your embellishment?
They said it but with different words.
While Joe sends millions of untested illegals on flights to various cities throughout the USA, you're just gonna blame Americans because
that's what Ted told you to do.
Ted who? And what are yo talking about? Americans who refuse to be vaccinated are spreading COVID.
Ted is the media. How do you know that Americans who refuse to be vaccinated are spreading covid? It been in the news for months that people with the vaccine are still able to spread the virus. Were you quoting the news?
People are still responsible for their actions. It's not like bail is a get-out-of=jail-free card or anything.
But it gets them out of jail for free!
The criteria for determining which posts are in violation is not, and ha never been, "posts that they don't like." It is posts that are provably and/or dangerous."Has never been" yet. The line is a fine one to cross.
Like I said, I would not feel warm and fuzzy about it because "non-factual" to politicians and governments (as a whole) is often different that what is "non-factual" to me, to anyone who believes inWould you have felt all warm and fuzzy if one of Trump's press secretaries had admitted that they were working with social media t remove posts that were non-factual? I, for one, would NOT have.If, in fact, that were what they were doing, yes.
the freedom of speach, or, more importantly, to experts in whatever
field is being discussed.
I do not have to go very far from home at all to find out what a government entity preaches to their voting masses, vs. what they are practicing within their own organizations, is very different.
And when it was proven false, they changed their advice, did they not? P can be, and often are, wrong. The difference is in being able to admit i accept the new information, and proceed accordingly.Sort of making my point... what is fact now may not be fact 5 weeks,
days, or even minutes from now. Most of what is presented as "fact" is only a "theory," and some of these "facts" are not even based on good theories.
In the case I cited, however, I believe the fact was known, or very much suspected, then... that those politicians knew it but hoped, like Trump, that things were blow over quickly.
That is sound. I also have worked in IT and, aside from similar basic knowledge, am not a medical professional. I would not expect any sane person to take medical advice from me without consulting a professional first.
So it's not "us vs. them;" it's far more nuanced than that. And it's certainly not based on politics, at least from my point of view. For oth though it seems to be very much based on politics.Some of it is at least partially based on politics, like not wanting to piss off China (early on, pretty much any national-level Democrat politician, or member of the MSM), or wanting the $$$'s that come from tourism during a holiday season in an area of one's district (Pelosi, deBlassio, Cuomo who, again, I am conviced knew better when they encouraged people to do things that were not safe).
He never said that masks were not effective at all. That is a lie. What said in the very early days of the pandemic was that the then-limited su of masks would be more effectively used by front-line workers.He may have not said "not effective," but he did say we didn't need masks so that we wouldn't buy them up (without immediately admitting that last bit).
I was skeptical that it was not going to be something serious. I didn't take medical advice from Trump, but am and was also skeptical of some things Fauci said. You seem to be reading some political thing intoWhen it is government politicians, their appointees, and social med platforms that are determining and telling us what is "fact" vs. wh not, pardon me for being skeptical.Fair enough, but just how skeptical were you about Trump's claims that C was a hoax, wasn't any worse than the flu, would just "disappear," etc.? you remember who the non-political medical professional denouncing those claims was? Yep, Fauci.
Who you choose to trust seems to depend not so much on their status as a politician, but on the political party they're in. I trusted Fauci then, I'll trust him over Biden and Lemon now.
that, but I have issues trusting what he says when I know what, and why, he said some things he did early on.
Some of the things he has said regarding US dollars being used in labs that "upscale" viruses, yelling about how it is known that this outbreak was not linked to one of those labs while dancing around the fact that
US dollars were being used by labs that did such work, also makes me skeptical of anything that might come out of his mouth.
I did listen to the Surgen General's advice, and also found the advice given by the other doctor (lady, name escapes me) because it seemed much more consistent, cautious, and seemed to be coming from people who are less media attention hungry than Fauci. Same with the doctor that spoke during our "D" governor's press conferences, i.e. I listened to him, too.
My recent notice is that there are more "liberals" breaking the rules. I don't read every message, so if Ron or Aaron start cursing in every other message, do let me know. You and Dale also seem to be able to get your points across without doing so. Thank you.
My theory is that the ones that have trouble doing so without cursing
are the ones who know their stance is weak and are hoping that hurling foul-language around will make others less likely to question them, OR they are stopping by for their annual/semi-annual troll session and we
may not hear from them again in a while.
Of course, new folks may not know the rules, and I have not been doing a good job of posting them regularly lately. I put "liberals" in quotes above because I suspect the trolls may not really even believe what they are saying, i.e. if you were the moderator instead of me, they'd probably be mixing their foul-language with a bunch of ultra-right-wing opinions just to piss *you* off. :)
There are echos that apparently allow such behavior. I don't usually
find them welcoming and don't read them, but others are free to participate if that is what floats their boats.
This, with the sides switched, is *exactly* what is behind the social me "bias" against conservatives and the fact-checking "bias" against conservatives as well.When a government entity admits that they are involed with the "fact-checking," I cannot agree that the situation is equal. Get back with me when Psaki or Biden claim that the administration is helping me moderate this echo. :)
Trump expressed a preference for immigrants who "assimilate."We're the victims of "illegal aliens."This could be true if American's were willing to do the jobs that some
We're the victims of violent "thugs."For the victims of violent crime, that one is not false. We have a large
We're the victims of Chinese trade agreements.I do believe we were. I don't believe it is a good idea to send jobs
We're the victims of Chinese biological weapons.That does not appear to be the case right now, but I believe it is not a difficult stretch to believe that we could be in the future.
We're the victims of the Paris Accords.To an extent, we were. When your government agrees to stricter standards
We're the victims of NATO.I don't agree that we are/were victims, but there were certainly some lopsided things going on that were no longer necessary and need(ed) to be
He's the victim of a "witch hunt."I cannot say he was, but I do know there were a lot of folks that thought for sure "their" Hillary was going to win and would have been out to get anyone who pulled off the upset. I believe that even you would not have been immune to their anger despite possibly sharing some political beliefs.
He's the victim of women who allege that he committed sexual battery.I cannot fully agree with him here. He might have been the victim of one that found a crooked lawyer to team up with. Then again, claiming that one is somehow a victim of women when a woman claims they committed
sexual battery or harrassment is not new to politicians on either side
of the spectrum. Based on what happened in California in the past year
or two, it is not even unique to male politicians any more.
Conservatives are the victims of changing national demographics,I don't recall him saying/claiming that one.
Protests are never unifying. That's the point. And trump called them "sons of b******s." (Yeah, that's right, our own president's public language was not suitable for a 5-year-old.)Our children are the victims of "liberal indoctrination."My experience in public schools and a public university lead me to
believe this one is not as far-fetched as it sounds. Some of the things
We're the victims of Muslim terrorists.We have been in the past, but not all terrorists are Muslim, and not all Muslims are terrorists. OTOH, the last time we let our guard down re: terrorists threats from the Middle East, we were very sorry for it.
Rural voters are the victims of the political establishment.Sometimes they are. The poor, in general, are often overlooked, even
(and sometimes, especially) by the politicians on the political side of the spectrum that says they have their interests at heart.
Our nation is the victim of kneeling sports figures.I never heard him say that. There are better, more unifying ways to protest or, even better, show support. There was a sportsing team
IMHO, most of the kneelers do it to draw attention to THEMSELVES, or to piss people off. Participating in a show of actual unity with other teammates would probably not be their thing. :(On the contrary, there were quite a few instances of their teammates kneeling with them to show solidarity.
He's the victim of voter fraud.I cannot disagree that there were some odd things going on. Then again, that is also not a new claim and is not at all unique to conservatives or Republicans, neither in use or effectiveness in stirring up a voting
base.
Oh, really. You were quoting them word for word, except they used different words. Did the words they used maybe have a slightly less conspiratorial tone than the ones you chose?
We know Americans are spreading it because we're able to trace it to gatherings where it was spread. And we know who was at those gatherings.
I'm not saying it's only Americans, but you seem to be trying to say
that no Americans are spreading it (in order to place full blame on immigrants), and that's demonstrably false.
People are still responsible for their actions. It's not like ba get-out-of=jail-free card or anything.But it gets them out of jail for free!
Not permanently; there are still consequences for what they've done
misquoting what they said. In fact, you originally claimed to be quoting them "word for word."
1. Joe didn't bring them here any more than Trump did.
2. The purpose of a COVID test is not to "pass" or "fail," but to determine who is and isn't infected so that appropriate measures can be
taken. 3. People who have requested asylum are documented. You're
Oh, really. You were quoting them word for word, except they used different words. Did the words they used maybe have a slightly less conspiratorial tone than the ones you chose?There was widespread use of the words I used in the media. The message they were sending affected a disproportionate number of black Americans, by making them angry at asians and whites. It was a success for them.
We know Americans are spreading it because we're able to trace it to gatherings where it was spread. And we know who was at those gatherinContact tracers are no longer in business; they've been cancelled. So who's "tracing" this stuff? Politifact? They are not reliable.
I'm not saying it's only Americans, but you seem to be trying to say that no Americans are spreading it (in order to place full blame on immigrants), and that's demonstrably false.I don't blame illegal immigrants exclusively, but I can almost guarantee that the White House's "door-to-door" policy is not going to lead to any knocking on any illegal migrant doors, because undocumented migrants are untraceable. That's not fair. They can rape and murder people in El Salvador, come to the USA without information about their sick criminal history, then they can spread covid to all the Americans who already got vaccinated. A lovely scenario for a liberal, I suppose.
Yes permanently. There are places where liberals can hide from the USA without ever facing extradition. China, Russia, and Ecuador are a few of the top choices.Not permanently; there are still consequences for what they've donePeople are still responsible for their actions. It's not li get-out-of=jail-free card or anything.But it gets them out of jail for free!
I like how you pointed out one time that "judges can revoke bail in certain cases for suspects who are considered a threat," but letting judges make those decisions is corrupt. What if you have a liberal judge?
misquoting what they said. In fact, you originally claimed to be quot them "word for word."The media said "door to door" but I added some of that other stuff.
1. Joe didn't bring them here any more than Trump did.Trump had Mexico & Guatemala stemming the flow. Border patrol wasn't complaining when Trump was president. When Biden cancelled Remain in Mexico, and when he ended the wall construction, Telemundo & Univision gave the northern triangle a green flag.
2. The purpose of a COVID test is not to "pass" or "fail," but to determine who is and isn't infected so that appropriate measures canI've been tested for covid before. I passed. I didn't fail. No measures were taken.
taken. 3. People who have requested asylum are documented. You'reDocumented by the USA is different from being documented by your home country. The USA has NO knowledge of an asylum seeker's criminal
history. Did you know that convicted sex offenders can't work or live within 1000 feet of a school? Well, if someone is a sex offender in El Salvador and they come here undocumented, they can easily live next door to a school.
But you already know all that, right? You just want to take a stand against what's right and just.
Quoting Mike Powell to Ron Lauzon <=-
Just like people who tested positive for COVID after suffering
non-COVID related fatal injuries were sometimes counted as COVID
deaths, if what you say is true, I wonder how many serious COVID
illnesses and deaths among vaccinated people will now be counted as
flu. :(
Would you have felt all warm and fuzzy if one of Trump's press secretaries had admitted that they were working with social media t remove posts that were non-factual? I, for one, would NOT have.
And because the real number are still being hidden, the Leftie Tyrants
can continue to use the fake numbers as an excuse to impose more unconstitutional restrictions on us.
And who are these "undocumented" COVID-positive migrants on planes?
nowadays... These airborne "illegals" aren't the people seeking asylum, are they? Because seeking asylum is legal and those who do are
documented.
So if you think the other party is violating the Constitution, your
party is justified in validating the Constitution? What if your party is lying to you about the other party's activities, so you'll support
theirs?
The same with election fraud. If you believe on the basis of zero
evidence that the other party is committing election fraud, does that justify your party using election fraud?
And who are these "undocumented" COVID-positive migrants on planes?If you search "undocumented covid positive migrants on planes," you will have tons of results. Even Bing News (your buddy Bill Gates) is talking about it.
nowadays... These airborne "illegals" aren't the people seeking asylu are they? Because seeking asylum is legal and those who do are documented.Documentation (photo ID) is NOT a requirement for asylum seekers. uscis.gov states on their website to bring ID, birth certificates, etc, "IF POSSIBLE."
"IF POSSIBLE" is equal to "If you feel like it."
So if you think the other party is violating the Constitution, your party is justified in validating the Constitution? What if your party lying to you about the other party's activities, so you'll support theirs?I don't listen to my party. I listen to my friends and family who are dealing with Biden's border crisis in border states. By flooding the country with people who have been given a fresh start (no more criminal record as soon as they set foot on US soil) the Democrats are violating the constitution.
The same with election fraud. If you believe on the basis of zero evidence that the other party is committing election fraud, does that justify your party using election fraud?What if there was zero evidence? Because there's not zero evidence - exhibit A is on top of my fridge. Maybe Trump had zero evidence, but I
got evidence.
I wish my party would use election fraud. An eye for an eye is my motto, but not theirs. My party will not gamble with their integrity like yours does.
And who are these "undocumented" COVID-positive migrants on planes?
Surely you know how much documentation one needs to get on a plane nowadays... These airborne "illegals" aren't the people seeking asylum, are they? Because seeking asylum is legal and those who do are
documented.
There being flown out of military bases in Texas... They also had covid
positive non residents from south of the border that were put up at a hotel walk into a fast food restaurant without masks and potentially expose the employees and other customers to covid. But hey I am sure
you will have some excuse for it...
And here's a thought: How about we ban non-vaccinated people from going into restaurants? Why the double standard? If this incident actually happened, why are you shocked -- shocked, I tell you! -- that they went into a restaurant when any unvaccinated American could have -- and in
fact have -- done the same thing?
The theory is that unvaccinated persons are more likely to act as incubators for potential mutations, where someone with a vaccine would be less likely to be a host in which a mutation would take place. That's what they have been saying on the local news whenever they talk about
low vax rates in parts of the state.
People with the vaccination are still able to get, and spread, the virus.
If the illegals that they have been putting on planes at the AFB in TX
and sending undisclosed places are untested and unvaccinated they, too, could be spreading the virus to wherever it is they have been sending them.
That's not what "word for word" means. And how did media reporting on people going door to door with information on how to get vaccinated
affect a disproportionate number of black Americans by "making them
angry at asians and whites?" Do tell.
Contact tracers have not been "cancelled."
They also provide medication and follow-up testing. So I have no earthly idea where you're getting the idea that contact tracers have been "cancelled" from.
No matter where undocumented immigrants live, they by and large tend to have doors. You seem to think that in order to include undocumented immigrants in a door-to-door canvassing, one would need a list of undocumented immigrants. That's idiotic. A door is a door.
Yes permanently. There are places where liberals can hide from the US without ever facing extradition. China, Russia, and Ecuador are a few the top choices.
They'd have to get there first. Have you tried catching a flight while
on the lam lately?
Why do you suppose that liberal judges are more likely to let suspects
who are considered a threat out on bail? That seems more than a little biased. Do you think that because some liberals oppose cash bail that
they also oppose revoking bail?
Dude, you just don't get it, do you? "Remain in Mexico" didn't keep *any* "illegal immigrants" out of the US because requesting asylum is not illegal.
Trump's Mighty Wall can be defeated by a $5 ladder, and Univision and Telemundo didn't give a green light to "illegal immigrants" because YET AGAIN seeking asylum is not illegal.
Applying for asylum is not illegal. Period. No matter how much you want
it to be, no matter how much you pretend it is, it simply isn't.
2. The purpose of a COVID test is not to "pass" or "fail," but t determine who is and isn't infected so that appropriate measuresI've been tested for covid before. I passed. I didn't fail. No measur were taken.
No measures were needed. Duh.
"Documented by the USA" is what "documented" means. And how do you know that they are not documented by their home countries? How do you know
that people who don't have documentation from their home countries don't have a much harder time receiving asylum? One very common way for
But you already know all that, right? You just want to take a stand against what's right and just.
We clearly have differing opinions on what is right and just.
That's not what "word for word" means. And how did media reporting on people going door to door with information on how to get vaccinated affect a disproportionate number of black Americans by "making them angry at asians and whites?" Do tell.Racial division is key to Democrat success. Black people hate it when white people show up at their door to get in their business. Blacks are already attacking asians randomly in the streets, presumably because
they know that covid came from China. The next logical step for the left is to turn blacks against whites.
The door-to-door effort affects blacks disproportionately because according to the left, everything affects blacks at a higher rate.
Police shootings, covid, voter discrimination, sickle cell anemia, everything. It's just downright painful to be black and to watch the
news.
Contact tracers have not been "cancelled."They've been cancelled in my region. My wife was offered a position as a contract tracer, but then shortly later they told her "we're no longer conducting contact tracing due to the lower case numbers."
They also provide medication and follow-up testing. So I have no eart idea where you're getting the idea that contact tracers have been "cancelled" from.They no longer exist in my region. Maybe there is still contract tracing being conducted by medical professionals for TB, but it's not anyone's sole responsibility at work.
No matter where undocumented immigrants live, they by and large tend have doors. You seem to think that in order to include undocumented immigrants in a door-to-door canvassing, one would need a list of undocumented immigrants. That's idiotic. A door is a door.You're condition is worsening again. Door-to-door for a Kirby salesman means literally door-to-door. Door-to-door for the Biden admin means door-to-door for citizens/residents who have doors and also have an
empty space in the covid vaccine section of their medical records. (Some doors will be skipped!)
You can't expect undocumented migrants (especially the ones who successfully snuck past border patrol) to have their address on file
with the feds. Do you think those players (75% of asylum seekers) who
fail to show up for court were dumb enough to give their real addresses?
By the time the cops figure out who their suspect is, their suspect can have easily flown to anywhere in the world. Cashless bail enhances these opportunities.Yes permanently. There are places where liberals can hide from t without ever facing extradition. China, Russia, and Ecuador are the top choices.They'd have to get there first. Have you tried catching a flight whil on the lam lately?
Why do you suppose that liberal judges are more likely to let suspect who are considered a threat out on bail? That seems more than a littl biased. Do you think that because some liberals oppose cash bail that they also oppose revoking bail?I totally think so. If you want judges to keep people out of jail, you need to support conservative candidates for the bench.
Dude, you just don't get it, do you? "Remain in Mexico" didn't keep * "illegal immigrants" out of the US because requesting asylum is not illegal.Here you go again claiming that all illegal immigrants are asylum
seekers.
Trump's Mighty Wall can be defeated by a $5 ladder, and Univision and Telemundo didn't give a green light to "illegal immigrants" because Y AGAIN seeking asylum is not illegal.You got a boner for illegal immigrants. I get it. Your parents were illegal immigrants, and you're afraid that some conservative nut like Trump will get you deported. Don't sweat it! You ain't going anywhere.
We just want to keep your cousins at bay.
Applying for asylum is not illegal. Period. No matter how much you wa it to be, no matter how much you pretend it is, it simply isn't.Pretending that all illegals are asylum seekers is demented.
Have you ever had a covid test? Pass or fail - that's all there is toNo measures were needed. Duh.2. The purpose of a COVID test is not to "pass" or "fail," determine who is and isn't infected so that appropriate meaI've been tested for covid before. I passed. I didn't fail. No m were taken.
it. No political jargon needed for a covid test. There's nothing in-between.
1. That is not what 75% of them do; the actual number is far less."Documented by the USA" is what "documented" means. And how do you kn that they are not documented by their home countries? How do you know that people who don't have documentation from their home countries do have a much harder time receiving asylum? One very common way forIf requesting asylum proves to be a difficult task, you can just do what 75% of them do: ignore court dates and hide from ICE.
The theory is that unvaccinated persons are more likely to act as incubators for potential mutations, where someone with a vaccine woul less likely to be a host in which a mutation would take place. That' what they have been saying on the local news whenever they talk about low vax rates in parts of the state.
Thanks for that explanation. It sounds logical to me. But I wish that it was common knowledge; it's not. Because it's not, vaccinated people are now alienating people who wear masks (the unvaccinated,) blaming us for "the spread," when in reality people like me are only possibly to blame for "mutations."
Dude, you just don't get it, do you? "Remain in Mexico" didn't keep * "illegal immigrants" out of the US because requesting asylum is not illegal.
Here you go again claiming that all illegal immigrants are asylum
seekers.
The criteria for determining which posts are in violation is not, and h"Has never been" yet. The line is a fine one to cross.
never been, "posts that they don't like." It is posts that are provably
and/or dangerous.
The line has either been crossed, or it hasn't.
I do not have to go very far from home at all to find out what a government entity preaches to their voting masses, vs. what they are practicing within their own organizations, is very different.
Is it? Do you think that Fauci wears a mask? Didn't Trump make fun of Biden for wearing a mask? Do you think that Fauci and Biden have been vaccinated? Who is the hypocrite here?
Responsible opinions are based on the best available information at the time. Responsible opinions change when the best available information changes.
In the case I cited, however, I believe the fact was known, or very much suspected, then... that those politicians knew it but hoped, like Trump, that things were blow over quickly.
The best information at the time indicated that is was not as contagious as it turned out to be. And when new information became available, the opinions of those people changed. Except for Trump, because Trump is never wrong. Ever. Being wrong about anything is for losers. It's a sign of weakness. That's the attitude that we least in a president.
What leads you to believe that they knew better? They were following the recommendations of professionals. Was Trump encouraging mask use at the time? And if not, why the hell not? Was he intentionally ignoring the danger, too? If so, why? Did Pelosi, Cuomo, et al, have access to information that Trump did not have access to? To believe that they meant better must mean that you thought Trump should have known better, too, no? And yet in hindsight, who came around to proper recommendations and who resisted?
You cannot believe this without absolutely skewering Trump.
Dr. Deborah Birx. Neither she nor the Surgeon General advised not wearing masks once it was known how contagious the virus was, nor did they discourage vaccination once it was available. Neither of them engaged in conspiracy theories about Fauci, either. Their minro differences of opinion with Fauci pale in comparison to the misinformation being spread on social media (and by Trump).
We have government scientists and doctors who are far more knowledgeable about their field than social media anti-vaxxers. That they lend support to the crackdown on social media misinformation is neither surprising nor unwelcome to me. Remember when you said expertise was more important than free speech, under certain circumstances?
Trump expressed a preference for immigrants who "assimilate."Conservatives are the victims of changing national demographics,I don't recall him saying/claiming that one.
I cannot disagree that there were some odd things going on. Then again, that is also not a new claim and is not at all unique to conservatives or
Republicans, neither in use or effectiveness in stirring up a voting base.
That's a *lot* of victimhood, man.
A thought did occur to me: This CDC announcement seemed to come very
close to the plane load of Texas Democrats that spread COVID all over
D.C. Perhaps that's the reason the CDC wants the change in testing.
So it would appear that this government conspiracy to combat misinformation is far larger than we could have imagined.
The theory is that unvaccinated persons are more likely to act as incubators for potential mutations, where someone with a vaccine would be
less likely to be a host in which a mutation would take place. That's what they have been saying on the local news whenever they talk about low vax rates in parts of the state.
Thanks for that explanation. It sounds logical to me. But I wish that it was common knowledge; it's not. Because it's not, vaccinated people are now alienating people who wear masks (the unvaccinated,) blaming us for "the spread," when in reality people like me are only possibly to blame for "mutations."
People with the vaccination are still able to get, and spread, the virus.
Shouldn't the vaccine slogan be changed from "Stop the spread" to "Weaken the symptoms?"
If the illegals that they have been putting on planes at the AFB in TX and sending undisclosed places are untested and unvaccinated they, too, could be spreading the virus to wherever it is they have been sending them.
That's how I see it also, and that's going to be my talking point in case any Biden staffers show up at my door.
People seeking asylum were boarded onto military aircraft and flown to other locations for processing. This is no different from them being loaded onto buses on the border and transported to processing stations.
They are not being put on commercial airline flights.
And when it has been crossed, it is too late."Has never been" yet. The line is a fine one to cross.The line has either been crossed, or it hasn't.
Is it? Do you think that Fauci wears a mask? Didn't Trump make fun of Bi for wearing a mask? Do you think that Fauci and Biden have been vaccinat Who is the hypocrite here?Not me. I have been wearing one. I know my state had, and has,
different rules for their "regular" citizens vs. those that work in
their buildings. You cannot trace contacts when they won't even tell you that you might have been exposed while working in one of their buildings.
Responsible opinions are based on the best available information at the Responsible opinions change when the best available information changes.Why would you reverse your stance regarding masking, going from "you need one" to "vaxed people don't," when you know that vaxed people are still getting sick, vaxed people can spread it to others, and a new, more contagious variant is starting to become the dominant strain in your country? Fauci, the CDC, and the current administration knew all of
that when they made the decision to stop suggesting masks but they did
it anyway.
I am not a scientist, but telling people they didn't need them, knowing all of those things, is stupid if masks are effective.
Now, they are flip-flopping again. Aside from saying "we knew these things to begin with, made a stupid decision and gave stupid advice
anyway when we told you it was OK to stop wearing them, and now you need to go back to wearing masks," what other science, that they didn't know when they made the dumb recommedation, could they be using? That things got even WORSE than they should have been able to predict that they would??
I kept wearing mine in indoor, public places, and will continue to do so. If I had followed their stupid advice that I didn't need one, and went into work in my government building where they don't even tell us when we've been exposed, I'd might be real sick right now. Other vaxed
people who followed their advice are sick now.
Information from sources (the WHO, China) that they should have been questioning. South Korea knew then that info was FALSE. I believeIn the case I cited, however, I believe the fact was known, or very suspected, then... that those politicians knew it but hoped, like T that things were blow over quickly.The best information at the time indicated that is was not as contagious it turned out to be. And when new information became available, the opin of those people changed. Except for Trump, because Trump is never wrong. Ever. Being wrong about anything is for losers. It's a sign of weakness. That's the attitude that we least in a president.
Taiwan and Japan did, too. Why didn't the CDC and our politicians,
Trump and otherwise?
What leads you to believe that they knew better? They were following the recommendations of professionals. Was Trump encouraging mask use at the And if not, why the hell not? Was he intentionally ignoring the danger, If so, why? Did Pelosi, Cuomo, et al, have access to information that Tr did not have access to? To believe that they meant better must mean that thought Trump should have known better, too, no? And yet in hindsight, w came around to proper recommendations and who resisted?And you cannot absolutely skewer Trump without skewering all of the
You cannot believe this without absolutely skewering Trump.
above. Aside from pointing out he was not the only one, I don't defend
his bad advice. I didn't listen to his advice because he is not a
medical professional or a leader in any field of expertise. You seem to
be the one jumping through hoops to defend those other, non-Republican, politicians who also gave bad advice in exchange for economic gains.
Dr. Deborah Birx. Neither she nor the Surgeon General advised not wearin masks once it was known how contagious the virus was, nor did they disco vaccination once it was available. Neither of them engaged in conspiracy theories about Fauci, either. Their minro differences of opinion with Fa pale in comparison to the misinformation being spread on social media (a Trump).I never said they did say not to. What I said was they are not flip-flopping media attention sponges like Fauci and that I respected their opinions. I didn't even know Fauci was not a Trump appointee
until much later, and my opinion that Fauci might be as reliable as the WHO predates my finding that out.
Did you wear multiple masks at a time when out in public during the time that Fauci indicated you probably should, or did you ignore his advice?
We have government scientists and doctors who are far more knowledgeable about their field than social media anti-vaxxers. That they lend support the crackdown on social media misinformation is neither surprising nor unwelcome to me. Remember when you said expertise was more important tha free speech, under certain circumstances?No, but someone might have misread it that way. My belief is that ones freedom to *listen* is more important in these circumstances.
It is difficult to build and maintain a society when your "society" contains other societies that don't assimilate (or respect) yours. I would not want to move to another country and not try to become a partTrump expressed a preference for immigrants who "assimilate."Conservatives are the victims of changing national demographics,I don't recall him saying/claiming that one.
of their society. I wouldn't be dumb enough to expect them all to
change to match mine. Why would I want to be there and not be a part of "there"?
I doubt that the people who come here are that dumb, either, but I wonder about some of Americans who say they shouldn't need to assimilate into
our society.
Yes, and it isn't new or unique.I cannot disagree that there were some odd things going on. Then a that is also not a new claim and is not at all unique to conservati orThat's a *lot* of victimhood, man.
Republicans, neither in use or effectiveness in stirring up a votin base.
They are not being put on commercial airline flights.
It's not a requirement, but it helps with the process of being granted asylum. Not everyone who requests asylum receives it. Those who are
Not really. It means that it's strongly recommended.
Assuming for the moment that fresh starts are being given, where in the Constitution is giving people a fresh start prohibited?
Also, people are not granted asylum "as soon as they set foot on US
soil." That's Aaron exaggerating again.
No credible evidence has been presented. What is on top of your fridge? I have boxes of cereal on top of mine.
I wish my party would use election fraud. An eye for an eye is my mot but not theirs. My party will not gamble with their integrity like yo does.
Oh, I don't know about that... Trump basically phoned it in for the last
The door-to-door effort affects blacks disproportionately because according to the left, everything affects blacks at a higher rate. Police shootings, covid, voter discrimination, sickle cell anemia, everything. It's just downright painful to be black and to watch the news.
So you're backed into a corner, huh? Just gotta make stuff up? You're an idiot.
conducting contact tracing due to the lower case numbers."
That's hardly representative of the nation as a whole.
Is this you adding your own words again? What evidence do you have that they're checking medical records?
You don't need their addresses on file or their real addresses to go
door to door. You just go door to door. You're an idiot.
You're the one who said "Remain in Mexico" kept "illegal immigrants" out of the US. It did no such thing.
We just want to keep your cousins at bay.
If that's all you've got, you've lost.
Applying for asylum is not illegal. Period. No matter how much y it to be, no matter how much you pretend it is, it simply isn't.Pretending that all illegals are asylum seekers is demented.
I'm not pretending any such thing.
You either test positive or you test negative. There's no pass or fail.
If requesting asylum proves to be a difficult task, you can just do w 75% of them do: ignore court dates and hide from ICE.1. That is not what 75% of them do; the actual number is far less.
So it would appear that this government conspiracy to combat misinformat is far larger than we could have imagined.I don't have a problem with people in government taking charge in combating misinformation with good information. I do have an issue with them working with social media companies, or any media companies, to censor things they label as misinformation.
Again, using my Trump example, you said you would not be concerned if his administration was working with social media to do the same. Meanwhile, you have also repeatedly pointed out how Trump is a source of misinformation. So, you don't believe that his administration's
labeling of misinformation, and assisting social media with labeling it
so (and having it removed), wouldn't be problematic?
I cannot honestly believe that anyone who believes in freedom of speech and the press could be OK with any administration being actively
involved in controlling what is in the media, social or mainstream.
If McConnell, the Governor of Alabama, the former Republican pollster, or even Psaki or Biden, want to get on TV and social media every day and
post the stats behind what they are doing and show the antivaxers and antimaskers and anti-whatevers that they are wrong, more power to them!!! They can make their voices heard, and loud, without colluding with the media to keep others quiet.
People seeking asylum were boarded onto military aircraft and flown to o locations for processing. This is no different from them being loaded on buses on the border and transported to processing stations.Are you *sure* that isn't charter flights that are flying out of a military airfield?
They are not being put on commercial airline flights.
It is difficult to build and maintain a society when your "society" contains other societies that don't assimilate (or respect) yours. I
You're full of it! They're being put on commercial airline flights right along with documented American citizens. dailysignal.com/2021/05/04/how-tsa-explains-allowing-illegal-immigrants-to
It's not a requirement, but it helps with the process of being grante asylum. Not everyone who requests asylum receives it. Those who areThanks for re-affirming my point. Joe's inviting them, they're coming, they're here, they don't need id, and they're on commercial flights with regular Americans, and it don't matter if they're covid-positive or not.
Strongly recommended doesn't equal mandatory. Only American citizens are mandated to show ID for stuff like boarding commercial flights.
I bet your radical islamic terrorist buddies are loving this new concept!
Assuming for the moment that fresh starts are being given, where in t Constitution is giving people a fresh start prohibited?It's in the preamble; "promote the general welfare to ourselves." That's not happening when we flood the country with undocumented people who
have trails of blood behind them.
Also, people are not granted asylum "as soon as they set foot on US soil." That's Aaron exaggerating again.I didn't say that. I said they're getting a fresh start as soon as they get here. Illegals aren't stupid; they won't have their criminal record sticking out of their front shirt pocket.
No credible evidence has been presented. What is on top of your fridg have boxes of cereal on top of mine.Democrats mass-mailed ballots to every registered voter in my state, knowing that they were sitting at home watching the pandemic news, which was electroplated with anti-Trump rhetoric.
Trump's not my party. He was a great president, but some of his actions were out of line and they don't reflect true conservative values.I wish my party would use election fraud. An eye for an eye is m but not theirs. My party will not gamble with their integrity li does.Oh, I don't know about that... Trump basically phoned it in for the l
Is Andrew Cuomo your party? Does molesting state employees and covering
up for negligent covid deaths from an executive order sound like your party's values? I know that he's not the first Democrat to do some of
that stuff, but I won't attribute it to your party because that wouldn't be fair.
It's actually your media making most of this stuff up. The sickle-cell anemia thing *might* be true, but the rest is BS.The door-to-door effort affects blacks disproportionately becaus according to the left, everything affects blacks at a higher rat Police shootings, covid, voter discrimination, sickle cell anemi everything. It's just downright painful to be black and to watch news.So you're backed into a corner, huh? Just gotta make stuff up? You're idiot.
So they're still doing contract tracing in Texas?conducting contact tracing due to the lower case numbers."That's hardly representative of the nation as a whole.
Is this you adding your own words again? What evidence do you have th they're checking medical records?How else are they gonna know who needs to be hustled?
You don't need their addresses on file or their real addresses to go door to door. You just go door to door. You're an idiot.Yea, but I already explained it to you smart guy - that "door-to-door" doesn't really mean "door-to-door" in this scenario. It means "every residence which has unvaccinated adults in it."
From now on I will be careful not to use metaphors with you, and believe me, I can tell that you're "a good driver."
You're the one who said "Remain in Mexico" kept "illegal immigrants" of the US. It did no such thing.The 2 groups are ambiguous. One minute they're murdering an elderly
couple for their jewelry, and the next minute they're asylum seekers.
Remain in Mexico drastically reduced border apprehensions.
Lost what? It's not a contest and it's not even a debate. It's just a discussion.We just want to keep your cousins at bayIf that's all you've got, you've lost.
You totally are. Every time someone tries to talk to you about illegal immigrants you start referring to them as "asylum seekers."I'm not pretending any such thing.Applying for asylum is not illegal. Period. No matter how m it to be, no matter how much you pretend it is, it simply iPretending that all illegals are asylum seekers is demented.
No, you treated it as a pass/fail situation, as if there were some penaltyYou either test positive or you test negative. There's no pass or faiSorry Rainman, I accidentally used the wrong set of antonyms. I
shouldn';t expect someone with your condition to let that slide.
Court statistics say it isn't true.We get our stats from different sources. The former acting secretary ofIf requesting asylum proves to be a difficult task, you can just 75% of them do: ignore court dates and hide from ICE.1. That is not what 75% of them do; the actual number is far less.
US homeland Security, Kevin McAlneenan, said "90% don't show up."
Liberal news sites say that it isn't true, conservative news sites say it's true, but I'll listen to McAlneenan.
I can find no record of such an incident happening. Can you provide
proof?
And here's a thought: How about we ban non-vaccinated people from going into restaurants? Why the double standard? If this incident actually happened, why are you shocked -- shocked, I tell you! -- that they went into a restaurant when any unvaccinated American could have -- and in
fact have -- done the same thing?
It is difficult to build and maintain a society when your "society" contains other societies that don't assimilate (or respect) yours. I would not want to move to another country and not try to become a part
of their society. I wouldn't be dumb enough to expect them all to
change to match mine. Why would I want to be there and not be a part of "there"?
I can find no record of such an incident happening. Can you provide proof?https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/07/29/la-joya-covid-migrants-whataburger/
And here's a thought: How about we ban non-vaccinated people from goi into restaurants? Why the double standard? If this incident actually happened, why are you shocked -- shocked, I tell you! -- that they we into a restaurant when any unvaccinated American could have -- and in fact have -- done the same thing?We already are heading that way when Queen Pelosi decided to issue an order to the capitol police to arrest any visitor or staff member in the capitol building who isn't masked vaccinated or not AND report all congress persons unmasked to the sargent at arms. Although you are
really deflecting from the fact the Biden administration is allowing undocumented people into out country without covid testing which could
and will leed to further high rates of infection.
Quoting Mike Powell to Jeff Thiele <=-
I doubt that the people who come here are that dumb, either, but I
wonder about some of Americans who say they shouldn't need to
assimilate into our society.
It sounds like, in your case, you'd never heard that. I am wondering how many heard it when I did and ignored it? I have been wearing masks at work since we went back and I did get the shots. I get some strange
looks but I don't care, and I am not alone, either.
sick if you did. The only time I remember hearing "them" say you
wouldn't get the virus if you were vaccinated was very recently, when Biden said so (probably by accident, knowing him) during the CNN town
hall earlier this month.
That's how I see it also, and that's going to be my talking point in cas Biden staffers show up at my door.
The key word is "if." While I find it difficult to believe that the government would take the risk of not testing people (and not giving them
Your own article indicates that people are being tested.
Your own article indicates that people are being tested.It's not MY article but a link to one I googled. There are many other articles that point out that the illegal aliens are not being tested.
Of course you will have some reply of what proof do I have or some
other point to show how wrong I am... I just realized I think I have met you, your the guy who thinks he is right all the time, but in fact is
not.
They're doing it everywhere. Recently there was an outbreak that they
were able to trace back to a wedding.
Not me. I have been wearing one. I know my state had, and has, different rules for their "regular" citizens vs. those that work in their buildings. You cannot trace contacts when they won't even tell you that you might have been exposed while working in one of their buildings.Yes and no. Not all tracing info comes from the person(s) being traced.
Why would you reverse your stance regarding masking, going from "you needI think you have the timeline confused. The recommendations have always been based on the most current information available, although Trump did attempt to water tham down when he was president.
one" to "vaxed people don't," when you know that vaxed people are still getting sick, vaxed people can spread it to others, and a new, more contagious variant is starting to become the dominant strain in your country? Fauci, the CDC, and the current administration knew all of that when they made the decision to stop suggesting masks but they did it anyway.
I am not a scientist, but telling people they didn't need them, knowing all of those things, is stupid if masks are effective.Perhaps they miscalculated how ignorant people would be regarding vaccinations.
Now, they are flip-flopping again. Aside from saying "we knew these things to begin with, made a stupid decision and gave stupid advice anyway when we told you it was OK to stop wearing them, and now you need to go back to wearing masks," what other science, that they didn't know when they made the dumb recommedation, could they be using? That things got even WORSE than they should have been able to predict that they would??Potentially, they could be using the data collected after they told people they didn't need to wear masks. If they tell people that based on their best information, and it starts spreading worse, wouldn't the logical action be to flip-flop?
I kept wearing mine in indoor, public places, and will continue to do so.I, too, worked in a government building, but I have been working from home since March 2020.
If I had followed their stupid advice that I didn't need one, and went into work in my government building where they don't even tell us when we've been exposed, I'd might be real sick right now. Other vaxed people who followed their advice are sick now.
Information from sources (the WHO, China) that they should have been questioning. South Korea knew then that info was FALSE. I believe Taiwan and Japan did, too. Why didn't the CDC and our politicians, Trump and otherwise?You would have to ask them that. I do know that Asian countries are much more accustomed to wearing masks during pandemics (and smog), and don't have the weird backlash against them that the US seems to.
And you cannot absolutely skewer Trump without skewering all of the above. Aside from pointing out he was not the only one, I don't defend his bad advice. I didn't listen to his advice because he is not a medical professional or a leader in any field of expertise. You seem to be the one jumping through hoops to defend those other, non-Republican, politicians who also gave bad advice in exchange for economic gains.Some did. Our governor here was one. That's the nature of our nation.
We have government scientists and doctors who are far more knowledgeablNo, but someone might have misread it that way. My belief is that ones freedom to *listen* is more important in these circumstances.
about their field than social media anti-vaxxers. That they lend suppor
the crackdown on social media misinformation is neither surprising nor unwelcome to me. Remember when you said expertise was more important th
free speech, under certain circumstances?
I see. Well, it's just not working for some people, I'm afraid.
Yes, and it isn't new or unique.I cannot disagree that there were some odd things going on. Then that is also not a new claim and is not at all unique to conservatThat's a *lot* of victimhood, man.
or
Republicans, neither in use or effectiveness in stirring up a voti
base.
Trump sure reveled in it, though.
I don't have a problem with people in government taking charge in combating misinformation with good information. I do have an issue with them working with social media companies, or any media companies, to censor things they label as misinformation.
Even if it is provable disinformation that is known to be putting American citizens at risk?
I cannot honestly believe that anyone who believes in freedom of speech and the press could be OK with any administration being actively involved in controlling what is in the media, social or mainstream.
Normally, no, except when it poses a public safety issue. Yelling fire in a crowded theater, inciting insurrection, etc. None of the freedoms in the Bill of Rights are absolute, nor were they intended to be.
If McConnell, the Governor of Alabama, the former Republican pollster, or
even Psaki or Biden, want to get on TV and social media every day and post the stats behind what they are doing and show the antivaxers and antimaskers and anti-whatevers that they are wrong, more power to them!!!
They can make their voices heard, and loud, without colluding with the media to keep others quiet.
I suspect that Luntz's role is to craft pro-vaccine messaging in a way that is acceptable to the Republican holdouts.
People seeking asylum were boarded onto military aircraft and flown to locations for processing. This is no different from them being loaded oAre you *sure* that isn't charter flights that are flying out of a military airfield?
buses on the border and transported to processing stations.
They are not being put on commercial airline flights.
Are you *sure* that normal commercial passengers are on these flights?
It sounds like, in your case, you'd never heard that. I am wondering how
many heard it when I did and ignored it? I have been wearing masks at work since we went back and I did get the shots. I get some strange looks but I don't care, and I am not alone, either.
At some point I stopped tuning in to Trump's daily briefings. He probably explained it all but I was burnt out from all that info at the time,
One can become a part of society without the level of "assimilation" that xenophobes seem to be expecting. One should certainly obey the laws, etc.
But should one change one's religion?
Should one have to change one's language to accommodate eavesdroppers?
Should one have to give up one's cultural identity, to include food?
I doubt that the people who come here are that dumb, either, but I wonder >MP> about some of Americans who say they shouldn't need to assimilate into >MP> our society.
They shouldn't, other than obeying our laws. Why do you think that they should?
If COVID-positive Americans are allowed on flights, why shouldn't anyone be allowed?
Not everyone who gets here is granted asylum. There is a screening process.
Democrats mass-mailed ballots to every registered voter in my state, knowing that they were sitting at home watching the pandemic news, which was electroplated with anti-Trump rhetoric.
Why shouldn't registered voters be allowed to vote? If every registered voter got one, wouldn't that include Republican voters, too? What's your point?
Trump's not my party. He was a great president, but some of his actions were out of line and they don't reflect true conservative values.
I think the conservative insurrectionists would disagree with you there.
Yea, but I already explained it to you smart guy - that "door-to-door" doesn't really mean "door-to-door" in this scenario. It means "every residence which has unvaccinated adults in it."
That's the "hit-list" aspect that you've already admitted that you MADE UP. "Door to door" means "door to door."
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/07/29/la-joya-covid-migrants-whataburger/
From the article: "Police said they learned that Border Patrol was quarntining other undocumented individuals who were COVID positive, or showed symptoms of illness, *then* handing them over to the non-profit." (Emphasis mine)
They're doing it everywhere. Recently there was an outbreak that they were able to trace back to a wedding.Sure, everywhere except here.
To put it another way, I cannot change my behaviors because I don't know that I have been exposed, or could be exposed, because I likely willNot me. I have been wearing one. I know my state had, and has, different rules for their "regular" citizens vs. those that work in their buildings. You cannot trace contacts when they won't even tel that you might have been exposed while working in one of their buildings.Yes and no. Not all tracing info comes from the person(s) being traced.
never be told. They are all about the public being safe but are not keeping the people in their buildings safe.
No I think you have it confused. Trump was long gone by May and June, 2021. That was around the time they said vaxed people don't need a mask. In my "D" state, it was June 11. Delta was in the news as "somethingWhy would you reverse your stance regarding masking, going from "yo needI think you have the timeline confused. The recommendations have always based on the most current information available, although Trump did atte to water tham down when he was president.
one" to "vaxed people don't," when you know that vaxed people are s getting sick, vaxed people can spread it to others, and a new, more contagious variant is starting to become the dominant strain in you country? Fauci, the CDC, and the current administration knew all o that when they made the decision to stop suggesting masks but they it anyway.
bad is coming" before then. I had that information, my local news had that information, why didn't they?
Expecting that people who have had access for months but have not gotI am not a scientist, but telling people they didn't need them, kno all of those things, is stupid if masks are effective.Perhaps they miscalculated how ignorant people would be regarding vaccinations.
one are going to suddenly get one is the ignorant bit.
They were not using their best information. If alleged Trumpster me can figure out he still needs to wear a mask even when the government hasNow, they are flip-flopping again. Aside from saying "we knew thes things to begin with, made a stupid decision and gave stupid advice anyway when we told you it was OK to stop wearing them, and now you to go back to wearing masks," what other science, that they didn't when they made the dumb recommedation, could they be using? That t got even WORSE than they should have been able to predict that they would??Potentially, they could be using the data collected after they told peop they didn't need to wear masks. If they tell people that based on their information, and it starts spreading worse, wouldn't the logical action flip-flop?
said otherwise, being that they are supposedly in charge of the public health and supposedly are much better than the previous administration, they should have been able to figure it out.
Of course, I paid attention and knew Delta was coming, it was dangerous, and COVID was not gone. Not sure how they could have missed all that.
Interesting. So, in an R state, they've not forced you back at least a few days a week? Here in a D state, they were going to force us allI kept wearing mine in indoor, public places, and will continue to so.I, too, worked in a government building, but I have been working from ho since March 2020.
If I had followed their stupid advice that I didn't need one, and w into work in my government building where they don't even tell us w we've been exposed, I'd might be real sick right now. Other vaxed people who followed their advice are sick now.
back every day permanently in June. The guv got a bunch of nasty phone calls and walked that back. Apparently, it is real difficult to get
child care when people are getting paid not to work. So, some people still now have to be in full-time, some 2-3 days a week, and some 1 day
a week.
In particular, where I am at, they have moved those of us who have to be in the building on the same days all together so that we are not even seated 6 feet apart. We were spread out before. Official reason is
that it is easier to manage us. So, in other words, we are crammed together so management does not have to walk as far to find us. I feel like we are an experiment.
Right after they instituted that policy, and moved us all CLOSER
together, which was LONG after Delta was in the news and was the predominant strain in the US, vaxed people in our building started
getting sick. They never have told us that officially so that we could all decide to mask up, avoid common areas, etc. I only know about it because I work with a family member of one of those unfortunate people
who is now sick.
My point here being it is hypocritical to show your "we are doing the
best to keep you all safe" face to the public, while showing your "who cares" face internally.
I don't have to ask them to know they obviously were not using the best information, or were not listening to a couple of our allies regardingInformation from sources (the WHO, China) that they should have bee questioning. South Korea knew then that info was FALSE. I believe Taiwan and Japan did, too. Why didn't the CDC and our politicians, Trump and otherwise?You would have to ask them that. I do know that Asian countries are much accustomed to wearing masks during pandemics (and smog), and don't have weird backlash against them that the US seems to.
how bad it really was.
As were Pelosi, de Blassio, and Cuomo. Cuomo now wants NYC business to force all of their employees to work from the office so that the economy does not tank.
I see. Well, it's just not working for some people, I'm afraid.I think I mentioned Darwinism before. You cannot legislate, or protect people, against their own stupidity.
So did many Gore supporters in 2000, and HRC supporters in 2016. ForTrump sure reveled in it, though.That's a *lot* of victimhood, man.Yes, and it isn't new or unique.
that matter, so did both of the Clintons, and many of their supporters, after Bill's daliances got exposed. "I am a victim of growing up in a house full of women." Boo-hoo.
Even if it is provable disinformation that is known to be putting Americ citizens at risk?The government should be more effective at getting the word out. I have seen some TV advertising, and even less social media advertising, urging people to get shots. They need to put more effort behind it and recruit some people who are not connected with the government.
Doing it their way means the disinformation is already out there and has probably already been seen. They need to get their own message out, in volume.
I am not sure you can equate posting something stupid on social media to yelling fire in a theater. The former does not require a split-second decision from the person who hears is, while the latter does not allowI cannot honestly believe that anyone who believes in freedom of sp and the press could be OK with any administration being actively involved in controlling what is in the media, social or mainstream.Normally, no, except when it poses a public safety issue. Yelling fire i crowded theater, inciting insurrection, etc. None of the freedoms in the of Rights are absolute, nor were they intended to be.
one much time to research the claim on their own before making a
decision.
I suspect that Luntz's role is to craft pro-vaccine messaging in a way t is acceptable to the Republican holdouts.Again, more power to them all. It is unfortunate they did not think of something like that sooner. They have used George W. Bush in ads. That might be a little more effective with some if it was his father or
mother but, as they are no longer with us...
Also, someone really needs to craft a message for those who are not Republicans who still hold out. In our state, if you can believe the press, we seem to have as much of an issue reaching urbanites and minorities as we do the rural, white residents. As the urban areas in question are very blue, they could require a different message. I
cannot imagine our state is the only one with this issue.
Going back to what I said earlier about "more effort," in the past week
or so, I have seen the news interview two different black women who were in the hospital with COVID. One of them said they were "selfish" not getting the shot, and both said they wish they could have a second
chance at making the decision, begging those watching to get theirs. Getting people like them into an advertising campaign similar to the
"look at what happened to me because I smoked" ads that are airing right now couldn't hurt.
I was planning to get a shot, but knowing someone my age who got infected before the shots came out and got VERY sick was very motivating.
I didn't say I thought they were. Normal commercial passengers don't usually fly out of military airfields. I don't believe it was a military aircraft. I should have been more clear about what part I was asking you about.Are you *sure* that isn't charter flights that are flying out of a military airfield?Are you *sure* that normal commercial passengers are on these flights?
Should one have to change one's language to accommodate eavesdroppers?I believe you can have your own language but you should learn ours
if you want to have most anyone understand you. You shouldn't come here expecting it to be the other-way-round. I have seen some resistance to this.
Should one have to give up one's cultural identity, to include food?I believe you can have your own culture but, if something about ours offends you, that is your problem. I have also witnessed this being an issue.
I don't ever remember anyone official ever requesting that any of this be done... change religion, only know English, give up all of their culture... but they do need to accept that they are coming HERE so they need to learn English, and they need to accept that our culture is different and might be offensive to them. Just like, if I was moving THERE, I would need to accept both of those things or NOT MOVE THERE.
Very honestly, most of the time I have seen these things being an issue, it is usually some supposedly well meaning US citizen, and not an immigrant, who seems to think that those coming here don't need to know English (but that we should learn the other language) and that we need
to be the ones that change our offensive-to-them cultural aspects while accepting any offensive-to-us aspects of theirs... things that would
only be reasonable to expect if one of us was moving THERE.
See above. You seem to be applying some xenophobic definition to theI doubt that the people who come here are that dumb, either, but I wo >MP> about some of Americans who say they shouldn't need to assimilate int >MP> our society.They shouldn't, other than obeying our laws. Why do you think that they should?
word assimilate that I disagree with.
If COVID-positive Americans are allowed on flights, why shouldn't anyone allowed?They should not be allowing anyone COVID positive on a plane.
Not everyone who gets here is granted asylum. There is a screening proceIf they cross the border at the legal border crossing, yes. If they
cross the border at the non legal crossings, and they are not caught,
they are not screened.
IMHO, if they get caught, they should be told not to cross here and be sent back immediately. If they want asylum, they should be made aware
of the nearest border checkpoint and also be sent right back (unless
they are seeking asylum from Mexico... then they should be taken to the checkpoint).
They should only send them to people who request one. Reason - if they send them to everyone who is registered, a lot of "people" are going to get ballots that can no longer vote. Example - I received threeDemocrats mass-mailed ballots to every registered voter in my knowing that they were sitting at home watching the pandemicWhy shouldn't registered voters be allowed to vote? If every registered got one, wouldn't that include Republican voters, too? What's your point
was electroplated with anti-Trump rhetoric.
different invitations to request a ballot... one for me, one for someone who has not lived in KY for 10+ years, and one for someone who has been dead at least 10+ years (more but I don't know how many). The last
three homeowners. If they'd sent three ballots instead, I could have
voted three times.
Do you disagree with any views of leftist extremists? Would you want Aaron or I to claim that their views are yours, or that they representTrump's not my party. He was a great president, but some of his act were out of line and they don't reflect true conservative values.I think the conservative insurrectionists would disagree with you there.
the views of the left as a whole?
If they are going door to door, but only stopping at houses where someone is supposedly not vaccinated, they must have a list. In the reports IYea, but I already explained it to you smart guy - that "door-to-do doesn't really mean "door-to-door" in this scenario. It means "ever residence which has unvaccinated adults in it."That's the "hit-list" aspect that you've already admitted that you MADE "Door to door" means "door to door."
saw about it, they did not suggest they'd be going to every door.
Were they being kept in quarantine until they were not sick and not positive? That would be the part I would want to emphasize, assuming the article mentioned that.https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/07/29/la-joya-covid-migrants-whataburFrom the article: "Police said they learned that Border Patrol was quarntining other undocumented individuals who were COVID positive, or s symptoms of illness, *then* handing them over to the non-profit." (Empha mine)
I see. Well, it's just not working for some people, I'm afraid.
I think I mentioned Darwinism before. You cannot legislate, orprotect
people, against their own stupidity.
You can try. For example, Ponzi schemes are illegal.
That's a *lot* of victimhood, man.
Yes, and it isn't new or unique.
Trump sure reveled in it, though.
So did many Gore supporters in 2000, and HRC supporters in 2016. Forsupporters,
that matter, so did both of the Clintons, and many of their
after Bill's daliances got exposed. "I am a victim of growing up ina
house full of women." Boo-hoo.
Not to nearly the same degree. Not even close. The resolution of the 2000 election was highly unusual by any standards, but Gore accepted it and conceded.
HRC accepted defeat and conceded in a timely manner in 2000.
If COVID-positive Americans are allowed on flights, why shouldn't anyone
be
allowed?
They should not be allowing anyone COVID positive on a plane.
demographics,Conservatives are the victims of changing national
I don't recall him saying/claiming that one.
Trump expressed a preference for immigrants who "assimilate."
It is difficult to build and maintain a society when your "society"part
contains other societies that don't assimilate (or respect) yours. I
would not want to move to another country and not try to become a
of their society. I wouldn't be dumb enough to expect them all toof
change to match mine. Why would I want to be there and not be a part
"there"?
One can become a part of society without the level of "assimilation" that xenophobes seem to be expecting. One should certainly obey the laws, etc. But
should one change one's religion? Should one have to change one's language to
accommodate eavesdroppers? Should one have to give up one's cultural identity, to include food?
I doubt that the people who come here are that dumb, either, but Iwonder
about some of Americans who say they shouldn't need to assimilateinto
our society.
They shouldn't, other than obeying our laws. Why do you think that they should?
Then aI cannot disagree that there were some odd things going on.
conservatithat is also not a new claim and is not at all unique to
votinor
Republicans, neither in use or effectiveness in stirring up a
base.
That's a *lot* of victimhood, man.
Yes, and it isn't new or unique.
Trump sure reveled in it, though.
It is difficult to build and maintain a society when your "society"
contains other societies that don't assimilate (or respect) yours. I
In what way(s) do you feel that the people who you believe refuse to assimilate disrespect your society?
Who is asking you to change?
Accusing people of "refusing to assimilate" implies both that they should stop doing certain things and that they should start doing other certain things. Why are you offended by the things that they do and don't do in their
own private lives? Do you think that they should change the clothes they wear
to please you? Or the music thay listen to? What's got you so worked up?
Seems kinda strange, man. And bigoted, when you really think about it.
To put it another way, I cannot change my behaviors because I don't know that I have been exposed, or could be exposed, because I likely will never be told. They are all about the public being safe but are not keeping the people in their buildings safe.Not me. I have been wearing one. I know my state had, and has, different rules for their "regular" citizens vs. those that work iYes and no. Not all tracing info comes from the person(s) being traced.
their buildings. You cannot trace contacts when they won't even te
that you might have been exposed while working in one of their buildings.
At a certain point it's up to the public to keep themselves safe. "Personal responsibility" and all that. And we're failing badly. Mostly because members of the "party of personal responsibility" won't wear masks and get themselves vaccinated.
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spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Door to Door <=-
Why shouldn't registered voters be allowed to vote? If
every registered voter
got one, wouldn't that include Republican voters, too? What's your point?
They should only send them to people who request one. Reason - if
they send them to everyone who is registered, a lot of "people" are
going to get ballots that can no longer vote. Example - I received
three different invitations to request a ballot... one for me, one for someone who has not lived in KY for 10+ years, and one for someone who
has been dead at least 10+ years (more but I don't know how many). The last three homeowners.
If they'd sent three ballots instead, I could
have voted three times.
Quoting Mike Powell to Jeff Thiele <=-
So did many Gore supporters in 2000, and HRC supporters in 2016. For
that matter, so did both of the Clintons, and many of their supporters, after Bill's daliances got exposed. "I am a victim of growing up in a house full of women." Boo-hoo.
We already are heading that way when Queen Pelosi decided to issue an order to the capitol police to arrest any visitor or staff member in the capitol building who isn't masked vaccinated or not AND report all congress persons unmasked to the sargent at arms. Although you are
You can try. For example, Ponzi schemes are illegal.Amway salesmen are still around ...
Not to nearly the same degree. Not even close. The resolution of the election was highly unusual by any standards, but Gore accepted it an conceded.Gore did not accept or agree with the results of the USSC decision,
but did concede the election "for the good of the country." Do get
your facts straight.
HRC accepted defeat and conceded in a timely manner in 2000.She also claimed Trump cheated due to collusion with Russia,
as well as FBI Director Comey siding with Trump two weeks prior
to the election. So was Trump's "victory" legitimate? Jimmy
Carter said it quite plainly, not mincing words, by publicly
saying it was not.
Is society part of a culture? Or is culture a part of society?
Consider what I said in a previous post. Cajuns were here first,
before there was a USA. French peoples settled here in Louisiana,
making it their home. Some came directly from France, others after
having been expelled from Canada by the British.
Cajuns were here first, before there was a USA or Americans.It is difficult to build and maintain a society when your "society"In what way(s) do you feel that the people who you believe refuse to assimilate disrespect your society?
contains other societies that don't assimilate (or respect) yours.
And we spoke French, not English.
Who is asking you to change?Too many Cajuns have become Americanized. We should go back
to the old ways, when everybody spoke French. Even today, our
official language is both French and English, so dropping
English would not be a problem.
IMHO, if they get caught, they should be told not to cross here and be sent back immediately. If they want asylum, they should be made aware
of the nearest border checkpoint and also be sent right back (un
If they are going door to door, but only stopping at houses where someone is supposedly not vaccinated, they must have a list. In the reports I
saw about it, they did not suggest they'd be going to every door.
If they are going door to door, but only stopping at houses where someoneOr maybe CNN didn't report it at all, because they found it to be unprofitable
is supposedly not vaccinated, they must have a list. In the reports I saw about it, they did not suggest they'd be going to every door.
to report a story like that to their pawns. It was more of a conservative-geared story.
So did many Gore supporters in 2000, and HRC supporters in 2016. For that matter, so did both of the Clintons, and many of their supporters, after Bill's daliances got exposed. "I am a victim of growing up in a house full of women." Boo-hoo.
The utter lack of self-awareness from the Left never fails to amaze me.
It made the local news here. I do not watch the local news on the local FOX station because it is on at odd hours (their news office is shared with a local CBS station, whose news is on during the "news hours").
It made the local news here. I do not watch the local news on the lo FOX station because it is on at odd hours (their news office is share with a local CBS station, whose news is on during the "news hours").Do you remember them calling it "door-to-door?" On my news they called it that, but 9 out of 10 people (sorry Jeff) knew what they meant by it.
It made the local news here. I do not watch the local news on the local FOX station because it is on at odd hours (their news office is shared with a local CBS station, whose news is on during the "news hours").
Do you remember them calling it "door-to-door?" On my news they called it that, but 9 out of 10 people (sorry Jeff) knew what they meant by it.
Do you remember them calling it "door-to-door?" On my news they calle that, but 9 out of 10 people (sorry Jeff) knew what they meant by it.
Were the results of this poll published anywhere but here?
9 out of 10 Fido users knew what was meant by "door-to-door" and 9 outDo you remember them calling it "door-to-door?" On my news they that, but 9 out of 10 people (sorry Jeff) knew what they meant bWere the results of this poll published anywhere but here?
of 10 Fido users knew what was meant by "9 out of 10." There was no need for me to publish the data to Wikipedia.
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