• "Cyber Symposium"

    From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to All on Tuesday, August 10, 2021 12:37:15
    After saying in an interview that Trump would be re-instated on August 13 (or maybe the night of August 12), Mike Lindell is now claiming that he never
    said that.

    The evening of the 12th and morning of the 13th are, of course, significant because they immediately follow Lindell's "cyber symposium" scheduled for August 10-12.

    However, on the day that the "cyber symposium" was to start (today), Lindell has postponed the whole affair, claiming that "the technology has been
    hacked" as part of the "absolute cover-up of the worst in history." (His grammar, not mine.)

    I would think that a bunch of "cyber experts" could pull off a symposium without getting "hacked," wouldn't you?

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, August 10, 2021 16:28:00
    I would think that a bunch of "cyber experts" could pull off a symposium without getting "hacked," wouldn't you?

    Well, consider how many big "cyber" companies have vulnerabilites in their
    tech and get hacked, it is a pretty low bar.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, August 10, 2021 17:35:13
    On 10 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    I would think that a bunch of "cyber experts" could pull off a symposium without getting "hacked," wouldn't you?
    Well, consider how many big "cyber" companies have vulnerabilites in
    their tech and get hacked, it is a pretty low bar.

    If those are the "cyber experts" Lindell recruited, I don't expect much from this "cyber symposium." I didn't watch today, but I heard that he said he wouldn't eat or sleep for 72 hours, after which he said, "show that video again!" Is he just showing the same videos over and over?

    Jeff.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:08:50
    On 10 Aug 2021 at 05:35p, Jeff Thiele pondered and said...

    On 10 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    I would think that a bunch of "cyber experts" could pull off a symp without getting "hacked," wouldn't you?
    Well, consider how many big "cyber" companies have vulnerabilites in their tech and get hacked, it is a pretty low bar.

    If those are the "cyber experts" Lindell recruited, I don't expect much from this "cyber symposium." I didn't watch today, but I heard that he said he wouldn't eat or sleep for 72 hours, after which he said, "show that video again!" Is he just showing the same videos over and over?

    Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, August 10, 2021 18:30:31
    On 11 Aug 2021, Dan Cross said the following...
    On 10 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    I would think that a bunch of "cyber experts" could pull off a without getting "hacked," wouldn't you?
    Well, consider how many big "cyber" companies have vulnerabilite their tech and get hacked, it is a pretty low bar.
    If those are the "cyber experts" Lindell recruited, I don't expect mu from this "cyber symposium." I didn't watch today, but I heard that h said he wouldn't eat or sleep for 72 hours, after which he said, "sho that video again!" Is he just showing the same videos over and over?
    Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

    Hmm, do you think that's how Lindell beat his self-admitted crack addiction?
    I mean, technically, if one is addicted to drug A and switches that addiction to drug B, one is still an ex-drug-A-addict.

    Jeff.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, August 11, 2021 13:52:41
    On 10 Aug 2021 at 06:30p, Jeff Thiele pondered and said...

    Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

    Hmm, do you think that's how Lindell beat his self-admitted crack addiction? I mean, technically, if one is addicted to drug A and
    switches that addiction to drug B, one is still an ex-drug-A-addict.

    I mean, if you go from crack to powder cocaine, have you
    really switched?

    It's interesting to see how he's trying to exploit the
    presence of e.g. Rob Graham. Graham has been sitting in
    the front of the symposium, Lindell keeps referring to
    him and saying that Graham refuses to debate him, but
    Graham keeps tweeting that he's ready to go.

    That's the right-winger MO: just keep lying and repeat
    it over and over again. To be honest, Graham was a bit
    naive here; his mere presence gives weight and credibility
    to what is otherwise an obvious sham.
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:23:00
    If those are the "cyber experts" Lindell recruited, I don't expect much from this "cyber symposium." I didn't watch today, but I heard that he said he wouldn't eat or sleep for 72 hours, after which he said, "show that video again!" Is he just showing the same videos over and over?

    Where are you watching him? We don't get the Pillow Guy Channel here, the
    last I checked, so I can only guess what he is showing. Sounds like he
    could be good for a laugh or two.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:28:18
    On 11 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    If those are the "cyber experts" Lindell recruited, I don't expect much this "cyber symposium." I didn't watch today, but I heard that he said h wouldn't eat or sleep for 72 hours, after which he said, "show that vide again!" Is he just showing the same videos over and over?
    Where are you watching him? We don't get the Pillow Guy Channel here,
    the last I checked, so I can only guess what he is showing. Sounds like he could be good for a laugh or two.

    I'm reading news reports from people who are watching him. Apparently he's broadcasting on his own social media site, "Frank," and it's also a live
    event for invited guests in Sioux Falls, SD.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, August 12, 2021 16:26:00
    Where are you watching him? We don't get the Pillow Guy Channel here, the last I checked, so I can only guess what he is showing. Sounds like he could be good for a laugh or two.

    I'm reading news reports from people who are watching him. Apparently he's broadcasting on his own social media site, "Frank," and it's also a live event for invited guests in Sioux Falls, SD.

    Thanks. If I get bored and need amusement, "Frank" could be a good source.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, August 12, 2021 17:15:25
    On 12 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Where are you watching him? We don't get the Pillow Guy Channel he the last I checked, so I can only guess what he is showing. Sounds he could be good for a laugh or two.
    I'm reading news reports from people who are watching him. Apparently he broadcasting on his own social media site, "Frank," and it's also a live event for invited guests in Sioux Falls, SD.
    Thanks. If I get bored and need amusement, "Frank" could be a good source.

    Today's the final day of the "cyber symposium" and, as I've mentioned in another post, things are not going well for Mr. Lindell. In addition to not actually having any of the proof of widespread election fraud that he
    promised, Lindell claims to have been "hacked," "assaulted," and
    "compromised," all in the course of three days.

    Pretty much all that's left now is for Trump to be "re-instated" tonight or tomorrow morning.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Thursday, August 12, 2021 00:28:51
    Where are you watching him? We don't get the Pillow Guy Channel here,
    the last I checked, so I can only guess what he is showing. Sounds like he could be good for a laugh or two.

    Jeff probably has lousy pillows because that's the only way to conjure Mike Lindell.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, August 12, 2021 20:00:49
    On 12 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Where are you watching him? We don't get the Pillow Guy Channel here the last I checked, so I can only guess what he is showing. Sounds l he could be good for a laugh or two.
    Jeff probably has lousy pillows because that's the only way to conjure Mike Lindell.

    So now Mike Lindell doesn't exist?

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, August 13, 2021 10:25:00
    Jeff Thiele wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

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    On 12 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Where are you watching him? We don't get the Pillow Guy Channel here the last I checked, so I can only guess what he is showing. Sounds l he could be good for a laugh or two.
    Jeff probably has lousy pillows because that's the only way to conjure Mike Lindell.

    So now Mike Lindell doesn't exist?

    I took it to mean that most people wouldn't go seeking him out. IIRC, he
    does "show up" when people are talking bad pillows in some of the ad
    campaigns, as if summoned.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, August 13, 2021 10:41:42
    On 13 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Where are you watching him? We don't get the Pillow Guy Channel the last I checked, so I can only guess what he is showing. Sou he could be good for a laugh or two.
    Jeff probably has lousy pillows because that's the only way to conjur Mike Lindell.
    So now Mike Lindell doesn't exist?
    I took it to mean that most people wouldn't go seeking him out. IIRC, he does "show up" when people are talking bad pillows in some of the ad campaigns, as if summoned.

    Ah, I've not seen any of his ads. Nevertheless, Lindell is the current
    public face of the "election fraud" crowd.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, August 13, 2021 10:54:45
    Jeff probably has lousy pillows because that's the only way to conjur Mike Lindell.

    So now Mike Lindell doesn't exist?

    He never has. He's a spokesperson for a pillow company. Conservatives aren't rallying behind him. He's an attention seeker and he's found your attention.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, August 14, 2021 00:32:48
    On 13 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    So now Mike Lindell doesn't exist?
    He never has. He's a spokesperson for a pillow company. Conservatives aren't rallying behind him. He's an attention seeker and he's found your attention.

    How is he the spokesman (and CEO) of a pillow company if he doesn't exist?
    And quite a few consrvative representatives attended his "cyber symposium."

    So it would appear that you're full of crap.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, August 14, 2021 15:12:00
    So now Mike Lindell doesn't exist?
    He never has. He's a spokesperson for a pillow company. Conservatives aren't rallying behind him. He's an attention seeker and he's found y attention.

    How is he the spokesman (and CEO) of a pillow company if he doesn't
    exist? And quite a few consrvative representatives attended his "cyber symposium."

    If my rep was in attendance I would complain to her about it. Mike Lindell seems irrelevant to me, unless he's running for office.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 15, 2021 23:14:30
    On 14 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    So now Mike Lindell doesn't exist?
    He never has. He's a spokesperson for a pillow company. Conserva aren't rallying behind him. He's an attention seeker and he's fo attention.
    How is he the spokesman (and CEO) of a pillow company if he doesn't exist? And quite a few consrvative representatives attended his "cybe symposium."
    If my rep was in attendance I would complain to her about it. Mike
    Lindell seems irrelevant to me, unless he's running for office.

    Heh. Another Trumper thrown under the bus.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, August 16, 2021 11:04:00
    How is he the spokesman (and CEO) of a pillow company if he doesn't exist? And quite a few consrvative representatives attended his "cyber symposium."

    If my rep was in attendance I would complain to her about it. Mike Lindell seems irrelevant to me, unless he's running for office.

    It is possible that Lindell had his dates a couple of days off and the
    wrong government. The Afghani government has capitulated to the Taliban,
    which was apparently a big surprise to Biden (but not his military advisers) and did so on the 14th or 15th rather than the 13th.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, August 16, 2021 11:08:00
    If my rep was in attendance I would complain to her about it. Mike Lindell seems irrelevant to me, unless he's running for office.

    Heh. Another Trumper thrown under the bus.

    Well, he has a point. Lindell is not really politically relevant unless he
    is actually doing something besides talking. Otherwise, he is pretty much
    just entertainment.

    Now, if his psychic abilities start showing more promise, he could become relevant.

    Otherwise, he is just a guy who sells pillows and likes to share his
    political beliefs. Not too dissimilar from several people in Hollywood who
    are also mostly irrelevant.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, August 16, 2021 12:45:23
    Lindell seems irrelevant to me, unless he's running for office.

    Heh. Another Trumper thrown under the bus.

    Sure. He's trying to use his pillow fame to turn people into conservatives. That's not as sick as Biden using a murder victim's funeral as a campaign
    stop, but it's still sick.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, August 16, 2021 16:14:24
    On 16 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    If my rep was in attendance I would complain to her about it. Mike Lindell seems irrelevant to me, unless he's running for office.
    Heh. Another Trumper thrown under the bus.
    Well, he has a point. Lindell is not really politically relevant unless he is actually doing something besides talking. Otherwise, he is pretty much just entertainment.

    Lindell was doing far more than talking. He was maintaining the narrative
    that the 2020 election was stolen, and that's very politically relevant.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 16, 2021 16:38:28
    On 16 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Lindell seems irrelevant to me, unless he's running for office.
    Heh. Another Trumper thrown under the bus.
    Sure. He's trying to use his pillow fame to turn people into conservatives. That's not as sick as Biden using a murder victim's
    funeral as a campaign stop, but it's still sick.

    Not really. The people his conspiracy theories attract tend to already be conservative. He was using his pillow money to try to prove that the 2020 election was stolen by claiming to have evidence which didn't actually exist. In other words, he was spreading misinformation, and a lot of people bought into it.

    And I'd be willing to bet that Biden used the decedent's name when addressing their family, unlike when Trump called up a soldier's widow and never once
    said the soldier's name, but kept referring to him as "your guy."

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 15:26:00
    If my rep was in attendance I would complain to her about it. Mike
    Lindell seems irrelevant to me, unless he's running for office.
    Heh. Another Trumper thrown under the bus.
    Well, he has a point. Lindell is not really politically relevant unless he is actually doing something besides talking. Otherwise, he is pretty much just entertainment.

    Lindell was doing far more than talking. He was maintaining the narrative that the 2020 election was stolen, and that's very politically relevant.

    But he is no more relevant than anyone else with a political opinion, which
    is a lot of people. He is in no position to act on any of what he believes
    so he is just talking.

    You could just as easily say that I "maintain a narrative" that the
    government killed Jimi Hendrix or, even better, that Hendrix is still
    alive. All that would be is talk because my saying it doesn't make it
    any more important (or true) than expressing an opinion that the sky is blue. It is all just talk, "narrative" or not.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 16:17:00
    Not really. The people his conspiracy theories attract tend to already be conservative. He was using his pillow money to try to prove that the 2020 election was stolen by claiming to have evidence which didn't actually exist. In other words, he was spreading misinformation, and a lot of people bought into it.

    Considering that his cyber symposium was a failure, the only place I even
    heard about it was here, and you are the only one here who even knew about
    it, it does not sound like many people are really buying into it.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 17:17:28
    On 17 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Well, he has a point. Lindell is not really politically relevant u he is actually doing something besides talking. Otherwise, he is p much just entertainment.
    Lindell was doing far more than talking. He was maintaining the narrativ that the 2020 election was stolen, and that's very politically relevant.
    But he is no more relevant than anyone else with a political opinion, which is a lot of people. He is in no position to act on any of what he believes so he is just talking.

    Lindell had quite a following, and was making appearances on "News" shows.
    That right there made him more relevant than someone with just a political opinion. He was also making videos, which reeled our buddy Gregory in, hook, line, and sinker.

    You could just as easily say that I "maintain a narrative" that the government killed Jimi Hendrix or, even better, that Hendrix is still alive. All that would be is talk because my saying it doesn't make it
    any more important (or true) than expressing an opinion that the sky is blue. It is all just talk, "narrative" or not.

    If you went on TV claiming to have undisputable proof, that would be
    different, wouldn't it?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 10:58:49
    Not really. The people his conspiracy theories attract tend to already be conservative. He was using his pillow money to try to prove that the 2020

    "The people his conspiracy theories attract" (Who are they? Never met one.)

    "...tend to already be conservative"

    There's nothing conservative about going to a Mike Lindell rally. There's no "tendency" because nobody is measuring Mike Lindell's audience's political beliefs. Unless that's a new curriculum at Bard College?

    You don't like Mike, you think he's full of it, and I agree with you on that. But let me point out that you're using flawed logic again with words that just make you sound like a CNN anchor.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 17:31:34
    On 17 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Not really. The people his conspiracy theories attract tend to already b conservative. He was using his pillow money to try to prove that the 202 election was stolen by claiming to have evidence which didn't actually e In other words, he was spreading misinformation, and a lot of people bou into it.
    Considering that his cyber symposium was a failure, the only place I even heard about it was here, and you are the only one here who even knew
    about it, it does not sound like many people are really buying into it.

    Your failure to hear about it elsewhere is no excuse. You know who Mike
    Lindell was, and you knew what his name in the context of politics was.
    Trump's plan for "re-instatement" is falling apart, and suddenly everyone associated with it is being downplayed. Mike Lindell also spoke at Trump's
    1/6 rally.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 17:47:58
    On 17 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Not really. The people his conspiracy theories attract tend to alread conservative. He was using his pillow money to try to prove that the
    "The people his conspiracy theories attract" (Who are they? Never met one.)

    The people who believe that Biden is an illegitimate President due to the
    2020 election having been "stolen."

    "...tend to already be conservative"
    There's nothing conservative about going to a Mike Lindell rally.
    There's no "tendency" because nobody is measuring Mike Lindell's audience's political beliefs. Unless that's a new curriculum at Bard College?

    The stated purpose of the "cyber symposium" was to finally present the proof that Biden is an illegitimate President due to the 202 election having been "stolen." That's an inherently political belief.

    You don't like Mike, you think he's full of it, and I agree with you on that. But let me point out that you're using flawed logic again with
    words that just make you sound like a CNN anchor.

    Mike Lindell also spoke at Trump's 1/6 rally. That wasn't political speech to
    a political audience? He's become an embarrassment and you're trying to distance yourself as far from him as you can, I get it. But you can't
    distance yourself from the fact that the belief that Biden is an illegitimate President because the 2020 election was "stolen" is an inherently political belief.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 20:30:24
    "The people his conspiracy theories attract" (Who are they? Never met one.)

    The people who believe that Biden is an illegitimate President due to the 2020 election having been "stolen."

    Nobody who has a job (conservatives) are listening to Mike Lindell about Democrat election theft. I'm a conservative and a conspiracy theory believer, but not a Mike Lindell believer.

    Only people on CNN are going to climax when Mike Lindell is proven wrong; not real people.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 20:36:23
    But he is no more relevant than anyone else with a political opinion, which is a lot of people. He is in no position to act on any of what he believes so he is just talking.

    I think Mike Lindell is the left's favorite example of a conservative voter.

    My favorite example of a liberal voter is Jeffrey Epstein.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 22:03:26
    On 17 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    "The people his conspiracy theories attract" (Who are they? Neve one.)
    The people who believe that Biden is an illegitimate President due to 2020 election having been "stolen."
    Nobody who has a job (conservatives) are listening to Mike Lindell about Democrat election theft. I'm a conservative and a conspiracy theory believer, but not a Mike Lindell believer.
    Not any more they aren't. But they were before he imploded. Also, your data
    on all conservatives having jobs (and the implication that liberals don't
    have jobs) is not supported by welfare data. The biggest welfare states are
    red states. They are red states because their citizens elected Republicans.

    Only people on CNN are going to climax when Mike Lindell is proven
    wrong; not real people.

    Certainly not conservatives; they'll try to disavow him ASAP.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 00:21:28
    Democrat election theft. I'm a conservative and a conspiracy theory believer, but not a Mike Lindell believer.
    Not any more they aren't. But they were before he imploded. Also, your data on all conservatives having jobs (and the implication that liberals don't have jobs) is not supported by welfare data. The biggest welfare states are red states. They are red states because their citizens
    elected Republicans.

    Actions speak louder than statistics. Republicans have put people to work. They've made cuts to food stamps. They've given tax incentives to bring businesses to their states. They oppose corporate tax. They oppose drugs, illegal immigrants, violence, and crime.

    But Democrats are the opposite. So while the sexy statistics show that "red states have more welfare recipients," the less-attractive statistic is that Republicans have done more to combat unemployment.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 10:37:43
    On 18 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Not any more they aren't. But they were before he imploded. Also, you data on all conservatives having jobs (and the implication that liber don't have jobs) is not supported by welfare data. The biggest welfar states are red states. They are red states because their citizens elected Republicans.
    Actions speak louder than statistics. Republicans have put people to
    work. They've made cuts to food stamps. They've given tax incentives to bring businesses to their states. They oppose corporate tax. They oppose drugs, illegal immigrants, violence, and crime.

    Then why do red states have the highest welfare numbers? Maybe cruelty isn't the best motivator.

    But Democrats are the opposite. So while the sexy statistics show that "red states have more welfare recipients," the less-attractive statistic is that Republicans have done more to combat unemployment.

    If that were so, then red states would have less welfare recipients, wouldn't they? You're making stuff up again.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 17:44:00
    Hello Aaron,

    I think Mike Lindell is the left's favorite example of a conservative voter.

    Mike Lindell is the left's favorite Republican candidate for president.

    My favorite example of a liberal voter is Jeffrey Epstein.

    Dead people don't vote.

    --Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 16:47:00
    Considering that his cyber symposium was a failure, the only place I even
    heard about it was here, and you are the only one here who even knew about it, it does not sound like many people are really buying into it.

    Your failure to hear about it elsewhere is no excuse. You know who Mike Lindell was,

    If you didn't call him "the pillow guy" I would not have.

    and you knew what his name in the context of politics was.

    Not until this conversation started I didn't. I knew nothing of his
    politics.

    One thing I can say for him now... if we doubted his psychic abilities, he
    may not have been as far off as we thought. No, Biden and Harris didn't
    step down on the 13th, but the situation that may be their ultimate
    downfall sure did unfold raplidy over that same weekend.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 16:49:00
    Not any more they aren't. But they were before he imploded. Also, your data on all conservatives having jobs (and the implication that liberals don't have jobs) is not supported by welfare data. The biggest welfare states are red states. They are red states because their citizens elected Republicans.

    My state is usually a Red State in the sense that its electoral college
    votes go towards Republicans. However, Republicans have only held the governor's office for 9 out of the past 50 years, meaning that for the
    rather large remainder of those 50 years the cabinets in charge of the
    state's health, welfare, and workforce development have been run by
    Democratic appointees.

    Until a Democratic gerrymandering attempt that backfired 20+ years ago now,
    the majority of our representatives, and both senators, were always
    Democrats. Since then, they have mostly been Republicans. The makeup of the state legislature also shifted about that time. It was Democrat controlled back then but has not been for several years now.

    The poorest parts of our state are the inner cities, which are VERY Blue and whose histories are full of Democratic mayors and representatives, and the rural areas of Eastern Kentucky, who've seen politicians from both sides (but especially Democrats) put the source of their livelihood in the political crosshairs.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 18:13:25
    On 18 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Considering that his cyber symposium was a failure, the only place even
    heard about it was here, and you are the only one here who even kne about it, it does not sound like many people are really buying into
    Your failure to hear about it elsewhere is no excuse. You know who Mike Lindell was,
    If you didn't call him "the pillow guy" I would not have.

    Nevertheless, he was on your radar.

    and you knew what his name in the context of politics was.
    Not until this conversation started I didn't. I knew nothing of his politics.

    Then apparently you weren't paying attention. Rudy Giuliani, Mike Lindell,
    and Sydney Powell are being sued by Dominion Voting Systems for $1.3 billion for defamation, due to their propagation of "the Big Lie" that Trump actually won the election but had it stolen from him. I suppose this is the first
    you've heard of that, too?

    One thing I can say for him now... if we doubted his psychic abilities,
    he may not have been as far off as we thought. No, Biden and Harris didn't step down on the 13th, but the situation that may be their
    ultimate downfall sure did unfold raplidy over that same weekend.

    I doubt it. How many Americans have died as a result of it?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 18:16:54
    On 18 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Not any more they aren't. But they were before he imploded. Also, your d on all conservatives having jobs (and the implication that liberals don' have jobs) is not supported by welfare data. The biggest welfare states red states. They are red states because their citizens elected Republica
    My state is usually a Red State in the sense that its electoral college votes go towards Republicans. However, Republicans have only held the governor's office for 9 out of the past 50 years, meaning that for the rather large remainder of those 50 years the cabinets in charge of the state's health, welfare, and workforce development have been run by Democratic appointees.

    Here, those same functions are subject to legislative oversight. I would
    think that they are there, too.

    Until a Democratic gerrymandering attempt that backfired 20+ years ago now, the majority of our representatives, and both senators, were always Democrats. Since then, they have mostly been Republicans. The makeup
    of the state legislature also shifted about that time. It was Democrat controlled back then but has not been for several years now.

    How has welfare participation changed since then?

    The poorest parts of our state are the inner cities, which are VERY Blue and whose histories are full of Democratic mayors and representatives,
    and the rural areas of Eastern Kentucky, who've seen politicians from
    both sides (but especially Democrats) put the source of their livelihood in the political crosshairs.

    Last I checked, mayors and minority representatives don't set the rules for welfare.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 14:26:09
    But Democrats are the opposite. So while the sexy statistics show tha "red states have more welfare recipients," the less-attractive statis is that Republicans have done more to combat unemployment.

    If that were so, then red states would have less welfare recipients, wouldn't they? You're making stuff up again.

    Nope! It has little to do with the color of the states. Pennsylvania is a blue state, but thanks to Republicans like Tom Ridge, they've got tax-free commercial zones, where businesses can thrive without paying property taxes. ("Keystone Opportunity Zones.")

    But it will be more opportunistic for you to say "Pennsylvania has a great economy and they're a BLUE state!"

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 21:04:12
    On 18 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    But Democrats are the opposite. So while the sexy statistics sho "red states have more welfare recipients," the less-attractive s is that Republicans have done more to combat unemployment.
    If that were so, then red states would have less welfare recipients, wouldn't they? You're making stuff up again.
    Nope! It has little to do with the color of the states. Pennsylvania is
    a blue state, but thanks to Republicans like Tom Ridge, they've got tax-free commercial zones, where businesses can thrive without paying property taxes. ("Keystone Opportunity Zones.")

    A "great economy" and fewer people on welfare are not necessarily synonymous. And there are exceptions. But Mississippi is not one of them.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, August 19, 2021 16:50:00
    Your failure to hear about it elsewhere is no excuse. You know who Mike
    Lindell was,
    If you didn't call him "the pillow guy" I would not have.

    Nevertheless, he was on your radar.

    Only as someone who hocks pillows on TV.

    and you knew what his name in the context of politics was.
    Not until this conversation started I didn't. I knew nothing of his politics.

    Then apparently you weren't paying attention. Rudy Giuliani, Mike Lindell, and Sydney Powell are being sued by Dominion Voting Systems for $1.3 billion for defamation, due to their propagation of "the Big Lie" that Trump actually won the election but had it stolen from him. I suppose this is the first you've heard of that, too?

    I was only aware of Rudy being sued until you brought it up here recently, after you started talking about Mike's psychic predictions.

    One thing I can say for him now... if we doubted his psychic abilities, he may not have been as far off as we thought. No, Biden and Harris didn't step down on the 13th, but the situation that may be their ultimate downfall sure did unfold raplidy over that same weekend.

    I doubt it. How many Americans have died as a result of it?

    We won't know until it is done.

    Those that want to challenge Biden/Harris (or Harris/whoever) in the next election have plenty of ammo... "there won't be any diplomats being plucked from rooftops like Saigon," "we will leave in a safe and unrushed manner,"
    "it is not likely that the Taliban will take over the country," "I was the
    last one in the room and helped Joe come up with a withdrawl plan that is a well-thought out one," and, more recently, once the poo had hit the fan, "the chaos was 'priced' into the plan" (after saying in April that the pull-out would be "safe and unrushed").


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, August 19, 2021 17:16:00
    Here, those same functions are subject to legislative oversight. I would think that they are there, too.

    Until a Democratic gerrymandering attempt that backfired 20+ years ago now, the majority of our representatives, and both senators, were always Democrats. Since then, they have mostly been Republicans. The makeup of the state legislature also shifted about that time. It was Democrat controlled back then but has not been for several years now.

    How has welfare participation changed since then?

    I don't think so. We have rated pretty consistently high in all of the
    "bad categories" as long as I can remember.

    The poorest parts of our state are the inner cities, which are VERY Blue and whose histories are full of Democratic mayors and representatives, and the rural areas of Eastern Kentucky, who've seen politicians from both sides (but especially Democrats) put the source of their livelihood in the political crosshairs.

    Last I checked, mayors and minority representatives don't set the rules for welfare.

    But they do try (or not) to lure businesses into their areas, which provide jobs and keep people off of welfare.

    Not sure what you mean by "minority representatives." I never mentioned
    that. The representatives I was thinking of are not racial minorities and
    are not Republicans, which means they are also not of the minority party in
    the US House.

    Not sure what "minorities" you mean, and not sure why you went there.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, August 19, 2021 12:06:22
    tax-free commercial zones, where businesses can thrive without paying property taxes. ("Keystone Opportunity Zones.")

    A "great economy" and fewer people on welfare are not necessarily synonymous. And there are exceptions. But Mississippi is not one of them.

    You're right about that. Thankfully, Republicans like Tom Ridge create jobs, and then Democrats give people the option to either A) continue working those jobs or B) get on extended unemployment and milk the pandemic.

    Whatever weakens us the most is what's best.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, August 19, 2021 19:43:17
    On 19 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Nevertheless, he was on your radar.
    Only as someone who hocks pillows on TV.
    and you knew what his name in the context of politics was.
    Not until this conversation started I didn't. I knew nothing of hi politics.
    Then apparently you weren't paying attention. Rudy Giuliani, Mike Lindel and Sydney Powell are being sued by Dominion Voting Systems for $1.3 bil for defamation, due to their propagation of "the Big Lie" that Trump act won the election but had it stolen from him. I suppose this is the first you've heard of that, too?
    I was only aware of Rudy being sued until you brought it up here
    recently, after you started talking about Mike's psychic predictions.

    Interesting. We clearly don't have the same news sources. And yet, none of
    what my sources have reported about Lindell, his lawsuit, and his "symposium" have been untrue.

    I doubt it. How many Americans have died as a result of it?
    We won't know until it is done.

    Indeed. Do you have a current estimate?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, August 19, 2021 19:49:49
    On 19 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Until a Democratic gerrymandering attempt that backfired 20+ years now, the majority of our representatives, and both senators, were a Democrats. Since then, they have mostly been Republicans. The mak of the state legislature also shifted about that time. It was Demo controlled back then but has not been for several years now.
    [...]
    Last I checked, mayors and minority representatives don't set the rules welfare.
    But they do try (or not) to lure businesses into their areas, which provide jobs and keep people off of welfare.
    I'm in a blue city in a red state, and the city does plenty to lure
    businesses in. My state happens to lead the nation (or close to it) in uninsured children, though.

    Not sure what you mean by "minority representatives." I never mentioned that. The representatives I was thinking of are not racial minorities
    and are not Republicans, which means they are also not of the minority party in the US House.

    I was referring to your state legislature, the reason that your state is red. While large cities may elect Democrats as mayors and representatives, the actual influence of those state representatives is limited due to Democrats being a minority in the state legislature. And the state legislature is where most of the welfare policies are set.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, August 19, 2021 19:59:01
    On 19 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    tax-free commercial zones, where businesses can thrive without p property taxes. ("Keystone Opportunity Zones.")
    A "great economy" and fewer people on welfare are not necessarily synonymous. And there are exceptions. But Mississippi is not one of t
    You're right about that. Thankfully, Republicans like Tom Ridge create jobs, and then Democrats give people the option to either A) continue working those jobs or B) get on extended unemployment and milk the pandemic.

    If people can be coaxed away from a job by extended unemployment, then that wasn't a very good job in the first place. And people who *want* to work make much better employees than people who *have* to work, anyway, so maybe employers should be doing more to increase morale, starting with their employees' meager pay.

    Whatever weakens us the most is what's best.

    That's the Republican mantra, all right. The corollary, of course, is
    "whatever benefits *me* most is what's best."

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to MIKE POWELL on Friday, August 20, 2021 08:20:00
    Quoting Mike Powell to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Not sure what "minorities" you mean, and not sure why you went there.

    Lefties like Jeff are racist. They only see the world as groups of
    people identified by their unchanging characteristics (ex: race). And,
    to Lefties like Jeff, all the people in those groups think alike.

    The Lefties call it "Intersectionality".


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, August 20, 2021 07:41:37
    On 20 Aug 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...
    Not sure what "minorities" you mean, and not sure why you went there.
    Lefties like Jeff are racist. They only see the world as groups of
    people identified by their unchanging characteristics (ex: race). And,
    to Lefties like Jeff, all the people in those groups think alike.

    Ron's ignorance aside, hopefully you understand that I was referring to the political minority in your state legislature rather than any ethnic minority.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, August 20, 2021 15:32:00
    Not sure what you mean by "minority representatives." I never mentioned that. The representatives I was thinking of are not racial minorities and are not Republicans, which means they are also not of the minority party in the US House.

    I was referring to your state legislature, the reason that your state is red. While large cities may elect Democrats as mayors and representatives, the actual influence of those state representatives is limited due to Democrats being a minority in the state legislature. And the state legislature is where most of the welfare policies are set.

    They have not been in the minority forever... that change is fairly
    recent... and we've been a poor state with a lot of folks on various forms
    of assistance for a lot longer than that.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON LAUZON on Friday, August 20, 2021 15:33:00
    Lefties like Jeff are racist. They only see the world as groups of
    people identified by their unchanging characteristics (ex: race). And,
    to Lefties like Jeff, all the people in those groups think alike.

    The Lefties call it "Intersectionality".

    That is a new word.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, August 20, 2021 15:59:00
    Not sure what "minorities" you mean, and not sure why you went there
    Lefties like Jeff are racist. They only see the world as groups of people identified by their unchanging characteristics (ex: race). And, to Lefties like Jeff, all the people in those groups think alike.

    Ron's ignorance aside, hopefully you understand that I was referring to the political minority in your state legislature rather than any ethnic minority.

    I missed the context at the time but it make sense now.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, August 20, 2021 16:20:29
    On 20 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Not sure what you mean by "minority representatives." I never ment that. The representatives I was thinking of are not racial minorit and are not Republicans, which means they are also not of the minor party in the US House.
    I was referring to your state legislature, the reason that your state is While large cities may elect Democrats as mayors and representatives, th actual influence of those state representatives is limited due to Democr being a minority in the state legislature. And the state legislature is most of the welfare policies are set.
    They have not been in the minority forever... that change is fairly recent... and we've been a poor state with a lot of folks on various
    forms of assistance for a lot longer than that.

    Republicans have been in the majority for several election cycles already;
    have they not attempted to address this?

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, August 20, 2021 18:02:58
    On 17 Aug 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    340/1000
    On 17 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Well, he has a point. Lindell is not really politically relev he is actually doing something besides talking. Otherwise, he much just entertainment.
    Lindell was doing far more than talking. He was maintaining the nar that the 2020 election was stolen, and that's very politically rele
    But he is no more relevant than anyone else with a political opinion, which is a lot of people. He is in no position to act on any of what believes so he is just talking.

    Lindell had quite a following, and was making appearances on "News"
    shows. That right there made him more relevant than someone with just a political opinion. He was also making videos, which reeled our buddy Gregory in, hook, line, and sinker.

    Sure I will chime in as I have noticed that I was mentioned above.
    All these stores that have banned Mr. Lindell's fine products due liberal but-hurt feelings will not get any of my money ever again, its never smart to alienate 1/2 of the population when your already fighting against other competitors for customers. It's really a bone-head of a move, and don't think this ends there at the store at all. This decision goes all the way to the top to the board of directions within these mega corporations.

    Here is the other side of the store without the liberal delusion spin. https://tinyurl.com/3nstt677

    Customers such as myself also find it troubling where mannequins wearing a whitiest face shown wearing Black is Beautiful. I'm sure that even Van Jones of CNN would agree that this too is a "whitelash" just as a Caucasian colored band-aids on African-American skin is. LOL

    as seen here: whiteface
    https://tinyurl.com/k93jmesj

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, August 20, 2021 17:15:45
    On 20 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    The Lefties call it "Intersectionality".
    That is a new word.

    "Bocacalle, M*****-F*****!" ;)

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, August 20, 2021 17:22:47
    On 20 Aug 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Lindell had quite a following, and was making appearances on "News" shows. That right there made him more relevant than someone with just political opinion. He was also making videos, which reeled our buddy Gregory in, hook, line, and sinker.
    Sure I will chime in as I have noticed that I was mentioned above.
    All these stores that have banned Mr. Lindell's fine products due liberal
    [...]

    Thanks for backing me up, bro.

    Customers such as myself also find it troubling where mannequins wearing
    a whitiest face shown wearing Black is Beautiful. I'm sure that even Van Jones of CNN would agree that this too is a "whitelash" just as a Caucasian colored band-aids on African-American skin is. LOL

    So white people aren't allowed to express the opinion that "Black is Beautiful?" That seems kinda racist.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, August 20, 2021 17:28:55
    On 20 Aug 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Customers such as myself also find it troubling where mannequins wearing
    a whitiest face shown wearing Black is Beautiful. I'm sure that even Van Jones of CNN would agree that this too is a "whitelash" just as a Caucasian colored band-aids on African-American skin is. LOL

    I would even be willing to bet that Thomas Jefferson, reknowned Founding Father, author of the Declaration of Independence, and indisputable white
    dude, would say that "Black is Beautiful."

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, August 21, 2021 09:39:39

    On 20 Aug 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    So white people aren't allowed to express the opinion that "Black is Beautiful?" That seems kinda racist.
    These we're not people at all, but a white mannequin without a face.
    Wouldn't it be fitting for a black mannequin to be advertising such wears?
    Why have these offered at all, a better message would be Human is Beautiful this wouldn't be offensive to anyone on Earth, the aliens that possibly walk amongst us would be the only ones left out.

    What if this was reversed, and the shirt said White is Beautiful.
    Would you say that would be racist? if so why?

    What works for one shouldn't exclude someone else, this is what makes it offensive. As it alienates others.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:25:00
    I would even be willing to bet that Thomas Jefferson, reknowned Founding Father, author of the Declaration of Independence, and indisputable white dude, would say that "Black is Beautiful."

    There is strong evidence to support this. :)


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:26:56
    On 21 Aug 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    So white people aren't allowed to express the opinion that "Black is Beautiful?" That seems kinda racist.
    These we're not people at all, but a white mannequin without a face. Wouldn't it be fitting for a black mannequin to be advertising such
    wears? Why have these offered at all, a better message would be Human is Beautiful this wouldn't be offensive to anyone on Earth, the aliens that possibly walk amongst us would be the only ones left out.

    Why does the color of a mannequin bother you so much? What if it was a purple mannequin? Do purple mannequins only get to wear "Purple is Beautiful" shirts in your worldview?

    We can acknowledge our differences in skin color, etc., without being racist. We can celebrate diversity without being racist. A white mannequin wearing a "Black is Beautiful" shirt is not racist, but insisting that only black mannequins shoudl wear such a shirt kinda is.

    What if this was reversed, and the shirt said White is Beautiful.
    Would you say that would be racist? if so why?

    I would, because of the way our country has historically treated people based on skin color. Would you consider a purple mannequin wearing a "Green is Beautiful" shirt to be inappropriate? Is there some sort of unspoken requirement that we color-coordinate our clothes with our skin?

    What works for one shouldn't exclude someone else, this is what makes it offensive. As it alienates others.

    Ironically, that's exactly what the "Black is Beautiful" shirt is saying.
    Look around you. Look at the media and advertizing that we consume. Do you
    need any reminders that "White is Beautiful?" You're trying to look at this shirt in a cultural vacuum, when in fact the shirt is making a cultural statement. I think you're *trying* to be offended.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, August 21, 2021 11:07:58
    On 21 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    I would even be willing to bet that Thomas Jefferson, reknowned Founding Father, author of the Declaration of Independence, and indisputable whit dude, would say that "Black is Beautiful."
    There is strong evidence to support this. :)

    Indeed there is.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, August 21, 2021 21:26:53
    Hello Jeff,

    Customers such as myself also find it troubling where mannequins
    wearing
    a whitiest face shown wearing Black is Beautiful. I'm sure that even
    Van
    Jones of CNN would agree that this too is a "whitelash" just as a
    Caucasian colored band-aids on African-American skin is. LOL

    I would even be willing to bet that Thomas Jefferson, reknowned Founding Father, author of the Declaration of Independence, and indisputable white dude, would say that "Black is Beautiful."

    I love the nickel. The face of Thomas Jefferson on one side,
    the Monticello on the other. How many slaves did he own to be
    able to maintain that property? Quite a few hundred, from what
    I understand. Even had a few kids by some of them ...

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, August 21, 2021 13:13:02
    What if this was reversed, and the shirt said White is Beautiful.
    Would you say that would be racist? if so why?

    There's an Amazon commercial that keeps coming on TV where some black chick is like "That's why I started this foundation, to help black owned businesses."

    The ad is repulsive. She's black and she wants to help "black
    owned businesses."

    If I start a foundation to help white owned businesses, is Amazon gonna
    feature me in their next commercial? ;)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, August 21, 2021 21:30:51
    On 21 Aug 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    I love the nickel. The face of Thomas Jefferson on one side,
    the Monticello on the other. How many slaves did he own to be
    able to maintain that property? Quite a few hundred, from what
    I understand. Even had a few kids by some of them ...

    That he did. Although one could get a bit sentimental about the most famous
    of those slaves. It was is deceased wife's half-sister, who by all accounts bore a striking resemblance to his deceased wife. Except for the whole
    slavery thing. And the whole consent thing. But you know... we can't get too into Critical Race Theory here, can we?

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, August 21, 2021 21:32:47
    On 21 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    What if this was reversed, and the shirt said White is Beautiful. Would you say that would be racist? if so why?
    There's an Amazon commercial that keeps coming on TV where some black chick is like "That's why I started this foundation, to help black owned businesses."
    The ad is repulsive. She's black and she wants to help "black
    owned businesses."
    If I start a foundation to help white owned businesses, is Amazon gonna feature me in their next commercial? ;)

    Do white-owned businesses need help?

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, August 21, 2021 22:49:32
    On 21 Aug 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    What if this was reversed, and the shirt said White is Beautiful. Would you say that would be racist? if so why?

    I would, because of the way our country has historically treated people based on skin color.

    Why drag the entire country through the mud, when the historical truth is
    that it was the Democratic Party that was responsible for Slavery and Segregation. Furthermore, America didn't do anything. Some Americans did it, and other Americans stopped them. History has already distinguished that it
    was the groups of people within the Democratic party in the north and the south. That's the key.

    if that is not bad enough, there is more...
    Not only were The Democrats the party of slavery and of segregation, but also the founding of the Ku Klux Klan and of opposition to the civil rights
    movement of the 1960s. The opposition to the civil rights act of 1964, the voting rights act of 1965, the fair housing bill of 1968 came mainly from the Democratic party, and that's a fact.

    Now let's focus even further as we widen our gaze even more, shall we?
    I was not insisting on anything, just thought a black faced mannequin would of been better suited for the merchandise. Additionally, I just passed along the irony that was already established on reddit.com; where the image was found. You libs get so offended with this stuff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, August 21, 2021 22:43:04
    On 21 Aug 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    What if this was reversed, and the shirt said White is Beautiful

    I would, because of the way our country has historically treated peop based on skin color.
    Why drag the entire country through the mud, when the historical truth is that it was the Democratic Party that was responsible for Slavery and Segregation. Furthermore, America didn't do anything. Some Americans did it, and other Americans stopped them. History has already distinguished that it was the groups of people within the Democratic party in the
    north and the south. That's the key.

    The Democrats of yesteryear were the conservatives of their day. But you knew that. And as recently as this week the (Republican) Lieutenant Governor of Texas has falsely blamed the increased COVID rate on unvaccinated black
    people.

    if that is not bad enough, there is more...
    Not only were The Democrats the party of slavery and of segregation, but also the founding of the Ku Klux Klan and of opposition to the civil rights movement of the 1960s. The opposition to the civil rights act of 1964, the voting rights act of 1965, the fair housing bill of 1968 came mainly from the Democratic party, and that's a fact.

    And there's even more... You are ignorant of the GOP's Southern Strategy.

    Now let's focus even further as we widen our gaze even more, shall we?
    I was not insisting on anything, just thought a black faced mannequin would of been better suited for the merchandise. Additionally, I just passed along the irony that was already established on reddit.com; where the image was found. You libs get so offended with this stuff.

    I'm not offended; you are.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 22, 2021 00:16:26
    On 21 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    What if this was reversed, and the shirt said White is Beautiful. Would you say that would be racist? if so why?

    There's an Amazon commercial that keeps coming on TV where some black chick is like "That's why I started this foundation, to help black owned businesses."

    The ad is repulsive. She's black and she wants to help "black
    owned businesses."

    You would more than likely be the spark that sets fire to the city around
    you.
    If I start a foundation to help white owned businesses, is Amazon gonna feature me in their next commercial? ;)

    You would more than likely be the spark that sets fire to the city.
    Due to the lack of ability to clearly understand what would be your true intension are.
    There seems to be a glaring double standard.
    Libs don't understand and never will want to understand or admit that racism
    is more then a mere simple one way street.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:25:07
    On 21 Aug 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    220/70
    On 21 Aug 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    What if this was reversed, and the shirt said White is Beau


    I would, because of the way our country has historically treated based on skin color.

    Why drag the entire country through the mud, when the historical trut that it was the Democratic Party that was responsible for Slavery and Segregation. Furthermore, America didn't do anything. Some Americans it, and other Americans stopped them. History has already distinguish that it was the groups of people within the Democratic party in the north and the south. That's the key.

    The Democrats of yesteryear were the conservatives of their day. But you knew that. And as recently as this week the (Republican) Lieutenant Governor of Texas has falsely blamed the increased COVID rate on unvaccinated black people.

    This was also a time where liberals would be great defenders of opinion,
    today that too has flipped, all they seem to desire today is shut you up speak of themselves as to why your opinion is meaningless.

    Now let's focus even further as we widen our gaze even more, shall we I was not insisting on anything, just thought a black faced mannequin would of been better suited for the merchandise. Additionally, I just passed along the irony that was already established on reddit.com; wh the image was found. You libs get so offended with this stuff.

    I'm not offended; you are.

    I'm not offended neither, although I do see the narrative they are trying desperately trying to portray to have African-Americans feel better about themselves; even putting themselves over and above others who are different.

    Honestly, it is do that defines you, good or bad.
    Words on shirt, are just words.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:21:16
    On 22 Aug 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The Democrats of yesteryear were the conservatives of their day. But knew that. And as recently as this week the (Republican) Lieutenant Governor of Texas has falsely blamed the increased COVID rate on unvaccinated black people.
    This was also a time where liberals would be great defenders of opinion, today that too has flipped, all they seem to desire today is shut you up speak of themselves as to why your opinion is meaningless.

    You are free to express any opinion that you'd like. However, no one is under any obligation to provide you with either an audience or a platform. That's
    as true now as it was then.

    I'm not offended; you are.
    I'm not offended neither, although I do see the narrative they are trying desperately trying to portray to have African-Americans feel better about themselves; even putting themselves over and above others who are different.

    You said that you found the "Black is Beautiful" shirt on the white mannequin offensive. Your word, not mine. What on Earth is wrong with feeling good
    about one's self????? "Black is Beautiful" does not imply anything about any other colors. You are choosing to read that into it. You are choosing to be offended. You are choosing to be a victim. Poor, poor put-upon Gregory.

    Honestly, it is do that defines you, good or bad.
    Words on shirt, are just words.

    Except when they're not, apparently. You brought this up, not me. Clearly
    they were not just words to you.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:28:42
    If I start a foundation to help white owned businesses, is Amazon gon feature me in their next commercial? ;)

    Do white-owned businesses need help?

    Business owners of all colors need help. Especially the victims of the 2020
    Joe Biden Race Riots who had their stores ransacked and even burnt down by BLM terrorists backed by Joe Biden & Kamala Harris. Help should be available not just to the black store owners, but to all the store owners.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:40:08
    There seems to be a glaring double standard.
    Libs don't understand and never will want to understand or admit that racism is more then a mere simple one way street.

    It isn't profitable for Democrats to let whites be victims. They've already suckered hoards of white people into joining their party, so now it's time for them to go out and catch the runaway slaves.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 22, 2021 12:15:42
    On 22 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    If I start a foundation to help white owned businesses, is Amazo feature me in their next commercial? ;)
    Do white-owned businesses need help?
    Business owners of all colors need help. Especially the victims of the 2020 Joe Biden Race Riots who had their stores ransacked and even burnt down by BLM terrorists backed by Joe Biden & Kamala Harris. Help should
    be available not just to the black store owners, but to all the store owners.

    Joe Biden became president on January 20, 2021. Biden and Harris didn't
    "back" BLM or the rioters. You're making things up again.

    Your delusion that I'm a presumably-unemployed Honduran who entered the US by swimming across the Rio Grande takes the cake, though. That one still has me chuckling.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, August 22, 2021 14:01:00
    Do white-owned businesses need help?

    COVID put my white-owned barber out of business. It also put other
    white-owned family business out of business in this area. If I did much research, I could probably find that it also put many non-white-owned businesses out of business.

    Many small businesses, regardless of the race of the owner, could use some help.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, August 22, 2021 16:35:54
    On 22 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Do white-owned businesses need help?
    COVID put my white-owned barber out of business. It also put other white-owned family business out of business in this area. If I did much research, I could probably find that it also put many non-white-owned businesses out of business.
    Many small businesses, regardless of the race of the owner, could use
    some help.

    They have received help. There was the Paycheck Protection Program, The Shuttered Venues Grant. The Restaurant Revitalization Fund. The COVID-19 Economic Injury Disaster Loan. Many non-profits have grants to help small businesses recover from COVID. Texas has a Small Business Relief Fund; your state may have something similar.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, August 22, 2021 18:46:55
    Joe Biden became president on January 20, 2021. Biden and Harris didn't "back" BLM or the rioters. You're making things up again.

    Biden campaign staffers donated millions of dollars to a bailout fund created to keep the domestic terrorists known as BLM out of jail. Everyone knows about it, but now the media is trying to erase those articles and/or whitewash them.

    Your delusion that I'm a presumably-unemployed Honduran who entered the
    US by swimming across the Rio Grande takes the cake, though. That one still has me chuckling.

    I never said that you're unemployed. You told us all that you were the son of illegal Honduran immigrants several months ago. Now it seems like you're
    scared of ICE or something. Don't be. They won't mess with you and although some of us are white, we're not snitches.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, August 23, 2021 01:33:01
    Hello Jeff,

    So white people aren't allowed to express the opinion that
    "Black is
    Beautiful?" That seems kinda racist.
    These we're not people at all, but a white mannequin without a face.
    Wouldn't it be fitting for a black mannequin to be advertising such
    wears? Why have these offered at all, a better message would be Human
    is
    Beautiful this wouldn't be offensive to anyone on Earth, the aliens
    that
    possibly walk amongst us would be the only ones left out.

    Why does the color of a mannequin bother you so much? What if it was a purple
    mannequin? Do purple mannequins only get to wear "Purple is Beautiful" shirts
    in your worldview?

    Barney the Purple Dinosaur! Yes! I love Barney! Barney loves me!
    Oh my! Let's all sing the Barney Song!

    --Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 22, 2021 18:37:39
    On 22 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Joe Biden became president on January 20, 2021. Biden and Harris didn "back" BLM or the rioters. You're making things up again.
    Biden campaign staffers donated millions of dollars to a bailout fund created to keep the domestic terrorists known as BLM out of jail.
    Everyone knows about it, but now the media is trying to erase those articles and/or whitewash them.

    They donated to a fund to oppose cash bail. BLM are not domestic terrorists, and more than Trump supporters are.

    Your delusion that I'm a presumably-unemployed Honduran who entered t US by swimming across the Rio Grande takes the cake, though. That one still has me chuckling.
    I never said that you're unemployed. You told us all that you were the
    son of illegal Honduran immigrants several months ago. Now it seems like you're scared of ICE or something. Don't be. They won't mess with you
    and although some of us are white, we're not snitches.

    I never said any such thing. You must've made some big assumptions based on zero evidence. And I must be unemployed, because only conservatives have
    jobs, right?

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, August 22, 2021 18:56:08
    They have received help. There was the Paycheck Protection Program, The Shuttered Venues Grant. The Restaurant Revitalization Fund. The COVID-19 Economic Injury Disaster Loan. Many non-profits have grants to help small businesses recover from COVID. Texas has a Small Business Relief Fund; your state may have something similar.

    But the black business owners want *more* help than what the other colors are getting.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 23, 2021 08:07:28
    On 22 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    They have received help. There was the Paycheck Protection Program, T Shuttered Venues Grant. The Restaurant Revitalization Fund. The COVID Economic Injury Disaster Loan. Many non-profits have grants to help s businesses recover from COVID. Texas has a Small Business Relief Fund your state may have something similar.
    But the black business owners want *more* help than what the other
    colors are getting.

    Not really. They've historically gotten far less.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, August 23, 2021 14:56:39
    But the black business owners want *more* help than what the other colors are getting.

    Not really. They've historically gotten far less.

    "-want- more help"

    In recent history ("historically,") black farmers had their debts erased by
    the Biden administration ("far more") while farmers of other colors are repaying their debts out of their own pockets.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 23, 2021 15:17:23
    On 23 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    But the black business owners want *more* help than what the oth colors are getting.
    Not really. They've historically gotten far less.
    "-want- more help"
    In recent history ("historically,") black farmers had their debts erased by the Biden administration ("far more") while farmers of other colors
    are repaying their debts out of their own pockets.

    In the remainder of US history, blacks were treated horribly and had far
    fewer opportunities to be successful than whites. Even as conditions
    improved, blacks never achieved the level of success that they would have,
    had they not been mistreated, largely due to generational poverty. So while
    you may never have abused a black person, many black people are still
    suffering the effects of how their ancestors were treated.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: Cold War Computing BBS (1:387/26)
  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, August 23, 2021 16:33:00
    Do white-owned businesses need help?
    COVID put my white-owned barber out of business. It also put other white-owned family business out of business in this area. If I did much research, I could probably find that it also put many non-white-owned businesses out of business.
    Many small businesses, regardless of the race of the owner, could use some help.

    They have received help. There was the Paycheck Protection Program, The Shuttered Venues Grant. The Restaurant Revitalization Fund. The COVID-19 Economic Injury Disaster Loan. Many non-profits have grants to help small businesses recover from COVID. Texas has a Small Business Relief Fund; your state may have something similar.

    You asked the question. :)


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, August 23, 2021 16:36:41
    On 23 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    Do white-owned businesses need help?
    COVID put my white-owned barber out of business. It also put other white-owned family business out of business in this area. If I did research, I could probably find that it also put many non-white-own businesses out of business.
    Many small businesses, regardless of the race of the owner, could u some help.
    They have received help. There was the Paycheck Protection Program, The Shuttered Venues Grant. The Restaurant Revitalization Fund. The COVID-19 Economic Injury Disaster Loan. Many non-profits have grants to help smal businesses recover from COVID. Texas has a Small Business Relief Fund; y state may have something similar.
    You asked the question. :)

    Yep, and they have help available.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, August 24, 2021 09:49:17
    In the remainder of US history, blacks were treated horribly and had far fewer opportunities to be successful than whites. Even as conditions improved, blacks never achieved the level of success that they would
    have, had they not been mistreated, largely due to generational poverty.

    They've achieved it. Some of the richest people in the world are black. To say that they can't achieve anything because their ancestors were slaves is BS.

    And if it's time for reparations, then what about all the black people who don't work in farming? What do they get from Joe Biden?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, August 24, 2021 21:38:55
    On 24 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    In the remainder of US history, blacks were treated horribly and had fewer opportunities to be successful than whites. Even as conditions improved, blacks never achieved the level of success that they would have, had they not been mistreated, largely due to generational pover
    They've achieved it. Some of the richest people in the world are black.
    To say that they can't achieve anything because their ancestors were slaves is BS.

    They don't achieve things at the rate they would if generational poverty were not a hurdle. Generational poverty that our society forced on them.

    And if it's time for reparations, then what about all the black people
    who don't work in farming? What do they get from Joe Biden?

    It's not reparations; it's equality. Not so very long ago, bank loans were "red-lined," which greatly disadvantaged black people. Just this month, the Lieutenant Governor of Texas blamed the latest COVID surge on unvaccinated blacks. When 45% of Texans are unvaccinated and 17% of Texans are black,
    that's just plain racism. Don't try to tell me that they've achieved equality.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wednesday, August 25, 2021 13:40:00
    They've achieved it. Some of the richest people in the world are black. To say >that they can't achieve anything because their ancestors were slaves is BS.

    For many years, the "government" (federal and states) have had various
    programs to help equalize the playing field for black owned businesses.
    Many who took advantage of the programs/incentives and who had a good business plans have done well. Others have done well without taking advantage of
    the programs/incentives. My guess is that they also had a good business
    plan and did not lack in motivation to be a success.

    I don't mind those kinds of programs/incentives so long as they are
    rewarding people who have a good plan/idea and who are willing to do the
    work. They create jobs for their community, among other good things.

    On the other hand, there are many who do not take advantage and probably
    have no motivation to do so. IMHO, there is not much different between
    them and unmotivated white people who are always quick with an excuse as to
    why they cannot hold down a job, etc. Lack of motivation, intelligence, business skills, practical skills in general... I don't think those
    "qualities" really know cultural or racial bounds. They exist everywhere.

    Like you cannot (successfully) legislate against stupidity, you also cannot (successfully) legislate against these lacking traits. You can claim that people are being left behind due to "systemic (fill in the blank)" or "generational (fill in the blank)" but, at some point, you have to realize
    that a lot of people just don't want to do anything to better themselves.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, August 25, 2021 11:32:29
    They've achieved it. Some of the richest people in the world are blac To say that they can't achieve anything because their ancestors were slaves is BS.

    They don't achieve things at the rate they would if generational poverty were not a hurdle. Generational poverty that our society forced on them.

    Generational poverty affects people of all colors. The rate is irrelevant unless you're trying to make black people angry. The act of using
    irrelevant, cherry-picked statistics only hurts black people even more. Keep telling them that they're being treated like trash by white people. That's real productive.

    Now I know why liberals used to call it "Trump's CDC," because "Joe's CDC" says "black women are more likely to die while pregnant." Who promotes ideas negativity (trash) like this? What does an article like that do for pregnant black women, other than make them resent others, and vote Democrat? Is George Soros trying to make black people stop reproducing? He's one of your guys. Better not let him accomplish it though because then there goes your voters. ;)

    Seriously though, it's better to instill positive thoughts into people, rather than negative ones. Especially while they're pregnant? Stressing out pregnant black mothers really pisses me off. What good can come of this racist warning from the CDC? How many black women do you know who died while giving birth? I've never met one.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, August 25, 2021 22:45:29
    blank)" or "generational (fill in the blank)" but, at some point, you
    have to realize that a lot of people just don't want to do anything to better themselves.

    That sounds true to me, but some people like to gather facts about the
    laziness of each color & put them all on a graph, seemingly just to be annoying. It serves no other useful purpose. If there was a color problem, which there is sometimes, people and/or businesses can be sued.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, August 26, 2021 17:34:02
    On 25 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    They've achieved it. Some of the richest people in the world are To say that they can't achieve anything because their ancestors slaves is BS.
    They don't achieve things at the rate they would if generational pove were not a hurdle. Generational poverty that our society forced on th
    Generational poverty affects people of all colors. The rate is irrelevant unless you're trying to make black people angry. The act of using irrelevant, cherry-picked statistics only hurts black people even more. Keep telling them that they're being treated like trash by white people. That's real productive.

    The rate is very relevant unless you're trying to whitewash US history.

    Now I know why liberals used to call it "Trump's CDC," because "Joe's
    CDC" says "black women are more likely to die while pregnant." Who promotes ideas negativity (trash) like this? What does an article like that do for pregnant black women, other than make them resent others,
    and vote Democrat? Is George Soros trying to make black people stop reproducing? He's one of your guys. Better not let him accomplish it though because then there goes your voters. ;)

    Statistics support these claims. Poverty, malnutrition, and poor prenatal
    care contribute to pregnancy complications, for both mother and child. Identifying a problem is the first step to solving it.

    Seriously though, it's better to instill positive thoughts into people, rather than negative ones. Especially while they're pregnant? Stressing out pregnant black mothers really pisses me off. What good can come of this racist warning from the CDC? How many black women do you know who died while giving birth? I've never met one.

    It's not a "racist warning," but trying to suppress it is racist. "Ignorance
    is bliss" is not good domestic policy.

    And again, there are at least 7 billion people on this planet that you've
    never met, including me.

    I'm currently working on an FPGA implementation of a DEC PDP-8, which I hope
    to turn into a BBS. I'm using a book called "The PDP-8 Class Project:
    Resoling an Old Machine" byt Tom Almy as a high-level guide. For more
    details, I'm using the 50-year-old, 3-volume DEC PDP-8 Maintenance Manual.

    Now:
    1. I've never used an actual PDP-8.
    2. I've never even seen an actual PDP-8 in person.
    3. I've never met Tom Almy.
    4. I've never seen an actual copy of the Maintenance Manual, only scans on
    the internet.
    5. I've never met any of the authors of the Maintenance Manual.
    6. I don't even know the names of the authors of the Maintenance Manual.
    7. I suspect, but don't know for a fact, that some of the authors of the
    Maintenance Manual are dead, although I don't know how and can't rule out
    foul play.
    8. There appear to be people on the internet who are willing to offer help
    regarding the inner working of a PDP-8 and its peripherals.
    9. I've never met any of these helpful people in person, and don't even know
    their real names for certain.
    10. The only known BBS run on a PDP-8 was the notorious 8BBS, which started
    around 1980 and was siezed by the FBI in 1982. Very few details of its
    implementation are available today.
    11. I never logged onto 8BBS, nor have I met anyone involved with it.

    So here's our difference. I trust these sources, even though all of them are beyond my sphere of personal experience.

    Jeff.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, August 26, 2021 20:00:09
    Statistics support these claims. Poverty, malnutrition, and poor prenatal care contribute to pregnancy complications, for both mother and child. Identifying a problem is the first step to solving it.

    The statistic about black woman deaths during pregnancy is crap. Even if it's true, it's crap. There are better things to invest reseach into, like how to help pregnant women (in general) to avoid prenatal deaths. That should be what Joe Biden's CDC is focused on; not stirring people up for political points.

    "Hey everyone, I just conducted a survey! Guess what my findings were!?
    You're gonna be surprised and outraged!" <- Garbage.

    And again, there are at least 7 billion people on this planet that you've never met, including me.

    Prenatal deaths happen to women of all colors. Same thing with unarmed people being shot by police. I don't think you notice that black skin is being exploited by the Biden administration rampantly. Anything to piss them off, is what the administration is aiming for. Keep em down, so they keep votin Democrat.

    11. I never logged onto 8BBS, nor have I met anyone involved with it.

    So here's our difference. I trust these sources, even though all of them are beyond my sphere of personal experience.

    There's no incentive for them to lie to you about that stuff. That's one of the nice things about the BBS/dinosaur tech community. There's plenty incentive
    for the Biden admin to exploit poor blacks & to neglect poor people of other colors.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, August 26, 2021 22:19:48
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Prenatal deaths happen to women of all colors. Same thing with unarmed people being shot by police.

    Same thing with unarmed people being shot by police?

    Sounds like you have a fairly serious problem there.

    I don't think you notice that black skin is being exploited by the
    Biden administration rampantly. Anything to piss them off, is what
    the administration is aiming for. Keep em down, so they keep votin Democrat.

    You are the one exploiting black skin in this case. Whatever you goal is I could only guess.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Friday, August 27, 2021 17:38:46
    Prenatal deaths happen to women of all colors. Same thing with unarme people being shot by police.

    Same thing with unarmed people being shot by police?

    Sounds like you have a fairly serious problem there.

    Unarmed people being shot by police is always a problem, for all colors.
    George Floyd had a white girlfriend, but does anyone care how she's doing? She's probably a lot more devastated than big fakers like Joe Biden.

    I don't think you notice that black skin is being exploited by the Biden administration rampantly. Anything to piss them off, is what the administration is aiming for. Keep em down, so they keep votin Democrat.

    You are the one exploiting black skin in this case. Whatever you goal is
    I could only guess.

    He attended a high-profile black funeral to boost his campaign, he excluded people of all colors besides blacks when selecting his running-mate, and now
    he says that pregnant black women die more rampantly than pregnant women of other colors.

    Which drug do I need to take in order to unsee this stuff?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, August 27, 2021 00:39:00
    On 08-25-21 11:32, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: "Cyber Symposium" <=-

    more. Keep telling them that they're being treated like trash by white people. That's real productive.

    Many of them already know that, they don't need to be told.

    Now I know why liberals used to call it "Trump's CDC,"
    because "Joe's CDC" says
    "black women are more likely to die while pregnant." Who promotes
    ideas negativity (trash) like this? What does an article like that do
    for pregnant black women, other than make them resent others, and vote Democrat? Is George Soros trying to make black people stop reproducing? He's one of your guys. Better not let him accomplish it though because then there goes your voters. ;)

    Assuming that the quoted phrase is an accurate statement of observed
    data, why would you want to sugar coat that or hide it -- instead of
    warning them so that they could take preventative measures, e.g. better
    health care.

    Seriously though, it's better to instill positive thoughts into
    people, rather than negative ones. Especially while they're pregnant?

    That was Trump's excuse for hiding the truth about COVID from the
    American public. How did that work out?

    Stressing out pregnant black mothers really pisses me off. What good
    can come of this racist warning from the CDC? How many black women do
    you know who died while giving birth? I've never met one.

    How many black women do you know?
    How many pregnant black women do you know.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, August 28, 2021 09:42:30
    On 22 Aug 2021, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    220/70
    On 22 Aug 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The Democrats of yesteryear were the conservatives of their day. knew that. And as recently as this week the (Republican) Lieuten Governor of Texas has falsely blamed the increased COVID rate on unvaccinated black people.
    This was also a time where liberals would be great defenders of opini today that too has flipped, all they seem to desire today is shut you speak of themselves as to why your opinion is meaningless.

    You are free to express any opinion that you'd like. However, no one is under any obligation to provide you with either an audience or a
    platform. That's as true now as it was then.

    Do you think stating the obvious, makes you sound smart?
    There is a greater commonality not to mention unanimity among men within this topic of Politics, people agree with me, more then they do with you, clearly.

    The wheels on the Bus that is the Biden Administration, were never tight
    from the beginning and now those of us, who are not in the habit of making excuses for this train wreck are seeing those same wheels fall off the bus.

    We were told with the words and paragraphs typed from the left, give him a chance, he has only been in office xx months.

    Biden is a disaster, if Trump was in office the Taliban wouldn't have attacked the American Military to same degree that has been seen, there wouldn't be the carnage at the Kabul airport w/ the exploding car bombs, nor would these scumbags be in total control of Afghanistan.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, August 28, 2021 10:49:56
    On 28 Aug 2021, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    This was also a time where liberals would be great defenders of today that too has flipped, all they seem to desire today is shu speak of themselves as to why your opinion is meaningless.
    You are free to express any opinion that you'd like. However, no one under any obligation to provide you with either an audience or a platform. That's as true now as it was then.
    Do you think stating the obvious, makes you sound smart?

    If it's that obvious, then why do you insist that liberals want to shut
    people up, when that's clearly not the case?

    There is a greater commonality not to mention unanimity among men within this topic of Politics, people agree with me, more then they do with
    you, clearly.

    So what you're saying is that there are a great meany people, including you, who deny the obvious? Have you considered that maybe that's why it's
    necessary to state the obvious?

    Biden is a disaster, if Trump was in office the Taliban wouldn't have attacked the American Military to same degree that has been seen, there wouldn't be the carnage at the Kabul airport w/ the exploding car bombs, nor would these scumbags be in total control of Afghanistan.

    You don't know this for a fact at all. We will never know, because Trump was soundly defeated by his own country.

    Jeff.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, August 28, 2021 10:13:28
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Unarmed people being shot by police is always a problem, for all
    colors.

    Yes.

    George Floyd had a white girlfriend, but does anyone care how
    she's doing? She's probably a lot more devastated than big fakers like
    Joe Biden.

    What do you suggest we do for George Floyd's girlfriend and why?

    He attended a high-profile black funeral to boost his campaign,

    Yes, he did the right thing to support the family who had gone through so much.

    he excluded people of all colors besides blacks when selecting his running-mate,

    I don't think people of all colors where excluded. He had a choice to make and he made it.

    and now he says that pregnant black women die more rampantly than
    pregnant women of other colors.

    I never heard that. When/where did he say that?

    Which drug do I need to take in order to unsee this stuff?

    Drugs are for those who can't handle reality.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, August 28, 2021 10:13:28
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Do you think stating the obvious, makes you sound smart?
    There is a greater commonality not to mention unanimity among men
    within this topic of Politics, people agree with me, more then they do with you, clearly.

    Based on what?

    The wheels on the Bus that is the Biden Administration, were never
    tight from the beginning and now those of us, who are not in the habit
    of making excuses for this train wreck are seeing those same wheels
    fall off the bus.

    The Biden administrsation is doing well in spite of the right wing narrative.

    We were told with the words and paragraphs typed from the left, give
    him a chance, he has only been in office xx months.

    Really, that is still the case. Biden has done a lot of good in a short time.

    Biden is a disaster, if Trump was in office the Taliban wouldn't have attacked the American Military to same degree that has been seen, there wouldn't be the carnage at the Kabul airport w/ the exploding car
    bombs, nor would these scumbags be in total control of Afghanistan.

    It was not the taliban that attached the US military (and afghan civilians), it was Isis-K.

    Biden happens to be the one to complete the task of getting out of Afghanistan. It's messy but it's a good thing.


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, August 28, 2021 10:46:06
    Assuming that the quoted phrase is an accurate statement of observed
    data, why would you want to sugar coat that or hide it -- instead of warning them so that they could take preventative measures, e.g. better health care.

    It's better to sugarcoat and/or hide it until you've got a real solution for the problem. (It's even better to not look at colorful statistics at all.) The information offers no solution, other than for pregnant black women to hate women of other colors, and as crazy as it sounds, to vote Democrat.

    Seriously though, it's better to instill positive thoughts into people, rather than negative ones. Especially while they're pregnant?

    That was Trump's excuse for hiding the truth about COVID from the
    American public. How did that work out?

    It worked out badly for his re-election, but it worked out great for people
    who were at the edge of losing all hope of surviving the pandemic.

    Stressing out pregnant black mothers really pisses me off. What good can come of this racist warning from the CDC? How many black women do you know who died while giving birth? I've never met one.

    How many black women do you know?
    How many pregnant black women do you know.

    My wife is black. She had complications while pregnant, but with optimism & prayers, she survived. If anyone were to tell her "black women are more likely to die during pregnancy than women of other colors," then that would have
    given her less confidence and optimism.

    Childbirth is a huge challenge for any woman, especially if it's their first time. They don't need liberal politics telling them that they're gonna die.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, August 28, 2021 20:21:37
    George Floyd had a white girlfriend, but does anyone care how
    she's doing? She's probably a lot more devastated than big fakers lik Joe Biden.

    What do you suggest we do for George Floyd's girlfriend and why?

    She's alive, while George is gone. She's the one who has to feel her child's pain, not George. Have you ever heard of "keeping it real with people?" Joe
    did NOT keep it real with the Floyd family by showing up as a "celebrity
    guest" at the funeral. He distracted them at a time when he shouldn't have,
    and it was all for his own gain despite any donation he may have made to the family. That is not our culture in my town. Local reporters are hated here for the way they bother people during tragedies.

    Would you invite yourself to the funeral of a person whom you've never met? To me, that wouldn't feel right.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, August 29, 2021 01:38:00
    On 08-28-21 09:42, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: "Cyber Symposium" <=-

    Do you think stating the obvious, makes you sound smart?
    There is a greater commonality not to mention unanimity among men
    within this topic of Politics, people agree with me, more then they do with you, clearly.

    Perhaps because a lot of reasonable people have given up trying to
    present fact to a brick wall and left the echo.

    Biden is a disaster, if Trump was in office the Taliban wouldn't have attacked the American Military to same degree that has been seen, there wouldn't be the carnage at the Kabul airport w/ the exploding car
    bombs, nor would these scumbags be in total control of Afghanistan.

    Fact -- the Taliban was not responsible for the attack at the Kabul
    airport.
    Fact -- they are in total control of Afghanistan because of the
    agreement they reached with Trump, based on his removing American troops
    from Afghanistan.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, August 29, 2021 09:40:58
    On 28 Aug 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Do you think stating the obvious, makes you sound smart?
    There is a greater commonality not to mention unanimity among men within this topic of Politics, people agree with me, more then they d with you, clearly.

    Based on what?

    Based on what Freedom and Liberty actually means, without the desire to
    refine it, w/ liberal generalizations.


    The wheels on the Bus that is the Biden Administration, were never tight from the beginning and now those of us, who are not in the habi of making excuses for this train wreck are seeing those same wheels fall off the bus.

    The Biden administrsation is doing well in spite of the right wing narrative.
    You call this train wreck doing well? Have you taken a look at his poll
    numbers recently. It would seem that you have even considered these.

    We were told with the words and paragraphs typed from the left, give him a chance, he has only been in office xx months.

    Really, that is still the case. Biden has done a lot of good in a short time.
    What good? Please tell me...


    Biden is a disaster, if Trump was in office the Taliban wouldn't have attacked the American Military to same degree that has been seen, the wouldn't be the carnage at the Kabul airport w/ the exploding car bombs, nor would these scumbags be in total control of Afghanistan.

    It was not the taliban that attached the US military (and afghan civilians), it was Isis-K.

    These cave dwellers are ALL of the same mindset.

    Biden happens to be the one to complete the task of getting out of Afghanistan.

    It's messy but it's a good thing.
    Trump was right.
    https://tinyurl.com/3bvjrf9e

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, August 29, 2021 09:47:55
    On 29 Aug 2021, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Biden is a disaster, if Trump was in office the Taliban wouldn't have attacked the American Military to same degree that has been seen, the wouldn't be the carnage at the Kabul airport w/ the exploding car bombs, nor would these scumbags be in total control of Afghanistan.

    Fact -- the Taliban was not responsible for the attack at the Kabul airport.

    Fact -- they are in total control of Afghanistan because of the
    agreement they reached with Trump, based on his removing American troops from Afghanistan.
    Not so fast Dale...
    "Look... Here's the Deal." One of Biden catch-phrases"
    Fact: The agreement was that the American's would be out by May 1.
    Fact: Joe Biden sat on his hands & let this date come and go and did nothing.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sunday, August 29, 2021 11:07:00
    Biden is a disaster, if Trump was in office the Taliban wouldn't have attacked >the American Military to same degree that has been seen, there wouldn't be the >carnage at the Kabul airport w/ the exploding car bombs, nor would these >scumbags be in total control of Afghanistan.

    I honestly cannot say for sure that it would have been better, just likely different. What I can say with near certainty is that many of the same
    people who claim there is nothing wrong with Biden's plan and how it is
    being executed would be having major cows right now if Trump was in office
    and the same things were happening.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Sunday, August 29, 2021 11:06:00
    Do you think stating the obvious, makes you sound smart?
    There is a greater commonality not to mention unanimity among men
    within this topic of Politics, people agree with me, more then they do with you, clearly.

    Perhaps because a lot of reasonable people have given up trying to
    present fact to a brick wall and left the echo.

    Seeing as how you seem to usually be the only non-conservative who attempts
    to deal in facts, and you are still here, I am having a rough time figuring
    out who you mean.

    Fact -- the Taliban was not responsible for the attack at the Kabul
    airport.
    Fact -- they are in total control of Afghanistan because of the
    agreement they reached with Trump, based on his removing American troops
    from Afghanistan.

    Fact -- Biden (and Harris) have previously claimed the pullout plan was all Biden's, presumably because they thought it would go more smoothly than it has. Fact -- the agreement was Trump's, but the plan to execute it was Biden's.
    Fact -- as late as May, Biden was still telling Americans that the take-over
    of Afghanistan by the Taliban was not likely to happen.
    Fact -- as early as at least May, officials at the State Department,
    "experts," and some intelligence reports, were stating otherwise.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Sunday, August 29, 2021 13:16:00
    On 29 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

    Biden is a disaster, if Trump was in office the Taliban wouldn't have att >the American Military to same degree that has been seen, there wouldn't b >carnage at the Kabul airport w/ the exploding car bombs, nor would these >scumbags be in total control of Afghanistan.

    I honestly cannot say for sure that it would have been better, just
    likely different. What I can say with near certainty is that many of
    the same people who claim there is nothing wrong with Biden's plan and
    how it is being executed would be having major cows right now if Trump
    was in office and the same things were happening.

    That was the deal to be out by May 1, certainly if that was the agreement,
    why wouldn't of Trump agreed with it and even make sure the American forces were out by the time frame within this deal?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, August 29, 2021 14:12:24
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    What do you suggest we do for George Floyd's girlfriend and why?

    She's alive, while George is gone. She's the one who has to feel her child's pain, not George.

    What do you suggest we do for George Floyd's girlfriend and why?

    Have you ever heard of "keeping it real with people?"

    Yeah, let's keep it real, OK?

    Joe did NOT keep it real with the Floyd family by showing up as a "celebrity guest" at the funeral. He distracted them at a time
    when he shouldn't have,

    Joe was completely real with the Floyd family. He is/was not there as a celebrity.

    and it was all for his own gain despite any donation he may have made
    to the family. That is not our culture in my town. Local reporters are hated here for the way they bother people during tragedies.

    Joe Biden was not bothering anyone.

    Would you invite yourself to the funeral of a person whom you've never met? To me, that wouldn't feel right.

    Joe didn't crash the funeral, if that's what you are trying to say.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, August 29, 2021 14:12:24
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Based on what Freedom and Liberty actually means, without the desire to refine it, w/ liberal generalizations.

    Freedom and liberty are at least as important to liberals as they are to conservatives.

    You call this train wreck doing well? Have you taken a look at his poll numbers recently. It would seem that you have even considered these.

    His poll numbers have taken a dive mostly I think because of Afghanistan. Even left wing media is calling it a loss. I don't get that. There was never anything to win in Afghanistan. They did what they wanted to do (quite some time ago) there and now they are leaving.

    The withdrawl from Afghanistan will be complete soon and Americans can have a look at all that and decide who did what.

    Really, that is still the case. Biden has done a lot of good in a short time.

    What good? Please tell me...

    For a start Biden has rejoined the WHO and the Paris Climate Accord.

    Biden has done a lot more than that and none of it is hidden. It's easy to find info on what Biden has done for those who care to look.

    It was not the taliban that attached the US military (and afghan civilians), it was Isis-K.

    These cave dwellers are ALL of the same mindset.

    That may be so so but that is an important distiction.

    Biden happens to be the one to complete the task of getting out of Afghanistan.

    It's messy but it's a good thing.
    Trump was right.
    https://tinyurl.com/3bvjrf9e

    This is why I dislike Trump. He was right, and then he planned and set in motion a hasty exit.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, August 29, 2021 17:26:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    The Biden administrsation is doing well in spite of the right wing narrative.

    You call this train wreck doing well? Have you taken a look at his poll numbers recently. It would seem that you have even considered these.

    "...and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded."
    -- Thomas Sowell

    Really, that is still the case. Biden has done a lot of good in a short time.

    What good? Please tell me...

    Alan listed all Biden's good work. Didn't you see the list? I'll quote the list again:
    Did you see it? 8)

    The Left ruins everything it touches.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, August 29, 2021 22:04:10
    On 29 Aug 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Freedom and liberty are at least as important to liberals as they are to conservatives.
    Here in America, Alan they are essential, as these are the very principals MY country was founded on.

    You call this train wreck doing well? Have you taken a look at his po numbers recently. It would seem that you have even considered these.

    His poll numbers have taken a dive mostly I think because of
    Afghanistan. Even left wing media is calling it a loss. I don't get
    that. There was never anything to win in Afghanistan. They did what they wanted to do (quite some time ago) there and now they are leaving.

    I understand very well why the liberal media is bailing on Biden, they do not want to be part of that failure that is the Biden Administration.
    Even they know and realize that this was handled badly.
    I wouldn't worry too much they may "circle back" and fall back in to a love-fest soon enough.

    The withdrawl from Afghanistan will be complete soon and Americans can have a look at all that and decide who did what.

    Really, that is still the case. Biden has done a lot of good in a sho time.

    What good? Please tell me...

    For a start Biden has rejoined the WHO and the Paris Climate Accord.

    How does that benefit anyone here in America or even in Canada?

    Biden has done a lot more than that and none of it is hidden. It's easy
    to find info on what Biden has done for those who care to look.

    What a liberal webpage; full of more lies then truths.
    But do tell what else has the man done, I'll wait.

    It was not the taliban that attached the US military (and afghan civilians), it was Isis-K.

    These cave dwellers are ALL of the same mindset.

    That may be so so but that is an important distiction.

    To me they all look alike and I bet they smell similar too.

    Biden happens to be the one to complete the task of getting out of Afghanistan.

    It's messy but it's a good thing.
    Trump was right.
    https://tinyurl.com/3bvjrf9e

    This is why I dislike Trump. He was right, and then he planned and set in motion a hasty exit.
    Hate him he was right, which also is where the truth, thats a pathetic.
    Hasty exit? Biden had From January to May could get out in 5 months?
    Specially when you know it's going to be a bloodbath? Weakness is why he did not act, nothing more.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ron Lauzon on Sunday, August 29, 2021 22:08:48
    On 29 Aug 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...

    Gregory Deyss wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    The Biden administrsation is doing well in spite of the right wing narrative.

    You call this train wreck doing well? Have you taken a look at his po numbers recently. It would seem that you have even considered these.

    "...and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded."
    -- Thomas Sowell

    Did you catch his response?
    He mentioned WHO and the fact that the U.S. has rejoined the Paris Accords. How does that help anyone within the United States of America or Canada.
    The WHO in the pocket of the Chinese, even though it is the United States
    which supplies majority of it's funding. How the hell does that work?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 30, 2021 00:46:00
    On 08-28-21 10:46, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: "Cyber Symposium" <=-


    Assuming that the quoted phrase is an accurate statement of observed
    data, why would you want to sugar coat that or hide it -- instead of warning them so that they could take preventative measures, e.g. better health care.

    It's better to sugarcoat and/or hide it until you've got a real
    solution for the problem.

    IMO, that never works out well.

    The information offers no solution, other than for
    pregnant black women to hate women of other colors, and as crazy as it sounds, to vote Democrat.

    Wrong -- it warns them to work with their doctors to help avoid bad
    outcomes. If they are not told, and if they do not know, then they
    might not seek appropriate health care.

    Seriously though, it's better to instill positive thoughts into
    people, rather than negative ones. Especially
    while they're pregnant?

    That was Trump's excuse for hiding the truth about COVID from the
    American public. How did that work out?

    It worked out badly for his re-election, but it worked out great for people who were at the edge of losing all hope of surviving the
    pandemic.

    Wrong -- it prevented them from taking appropriate measures, too often
    leading to serious illness or death.

    Stressing out pregnant black mothers really pisses me off. What good
    can come of this racist warning from the CDC? How
    many black women do
    you know who died while giving birth? I've never met one.

    How many black women do you know?
    How many pregnant black women do you know.

    My wife is black. She had complications while pregnant, but with
    optimism & prayers, she survived. If anyone were to tell her "black
    women are more likely to die during pregnancy than women of other
    colors," then that would have given her less confidence and optimism.

    I hope that she had good medical care that helped. Optimism and prayers
    do little to overcome serious problems.

    Have you had "the talk" with your children about the problems that black
    people might have with LEO?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Monday, August 30, 2021 01:00:04
    On 08-29-21 11:06, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: "Cyber Symposium" <=-

    Fact -- Biden (and Harris) have previously claimed the pullout plan
    was all Biden's, presumably because they thought it would go more smoothly than it has.

    Fact -- the agreement was Trump's, but the plan to execute it was
    Biden's.

    I believe that to be true, but not what your previous paragraph implies.
    I believe that the fact and the date may well have been set by Trump,
    but that he did not leave any execution plan.

    Fact -- as late as May, Biden was still telling Americans that
    the take-over of Afghanistan by the Taliban was not likely to happen.

    It seems that was a consensus by many, intellegence heads and state
    heads. They were wrong.

    Fact -- as early as at least May, officials at the State Department, "experts," and some intelligence reports, were stating otherwise.

    There will always be some who jump in to say "I told you so". The
    complete collapse of the Afgani defense forces was not a common
    prediction, and that led to the rapid (and bloodless) takeover by the
    Taliban.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, August 29, 2021 22:58:24
    For a start Biden has rejoined the WHO and the Paris Climate Accord.
    How does that benefit anyone here in America or even in Canada?

    This is from the WHO website...

    Dedicated to the well-being of all people and guided by science, the World Health Organization leads and champions global efforts to give everyone, everywhere an equal chance to live a healthy life.

    What is so anti American about that?

    The Paris Accord is all about not leaving the planet in a dumpster fire for those who need to live on the planet after us.

    Biden has done a lot more than that and none of it is hidden. It's easy
    to find info on what Biden has done for those who care to look.

    What a liberal webpage; full of more lies then truths.

    Get the facts (not fake news) from the source of your choosing.

    But do tell what else has the man done, I'll wait.

    He released his taxes!

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, August 30, 2021 08:19:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    You call this train wreck doing well? Have you taken a look at his po numbers recently. It would seem that you have even considered these.

    "...and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded."
    -- Thomas Sowell

    Did you catch his response?

    No. I don't bother reading anything he writes. It's a waste of time.

    He mentioned WHO and the fact that the U.S. has rejoined the Paris Accords. How does that help anyone within the United States of America
    or Canada. The WHO in the pocket of the Chinese, even though it is the United States which supplies majority of it's funding. How the hell
    does that work?

    It doesn't. He's what Hitler called a "Useful Idiot" in that he spends his time spreading the Narrative and ignoring reality.

    Trump was 100% correct in getting out the Paris Accords and WHO. They were bad for the U.S. and provide no useful benefit for anyone.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, August 30, 2021 08:45:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Freedom and liberty are at least as important to liberals as they are to conservatives.

    Here in America, Alan they are essential, as these are the very
    principals MY country was founded on.

    Alan is confusing classical liberals with what we have today. He's completely correct that classical liberals loved freedom and liberty - they also loved the country.

    What he doesn't understand is that the Lefties today aren't classical liberals.
    According to the political meter today, classical liberals are more to the right. The Lefties today are socialists and they HATE individual freedom and liberty (because they are so Elite that they believe that they can run your life better than you) and hate the country.

    I understand very well why the liberal media is bailing on Biden, they
    do not want to be part of that failure that is the Biden
    Administration. Even they know and realize that this was handled badly.
    I wouldn't worry too much they may "circle back" and fall back in to a love-fest soon enough.

    Most of the intelligent have long stopped listening to the Media knowing that they are actually the Propaganda Ministry of the Left. But even the ignorant sheeple know that Afghanistan was handled poorly - and we are starting to find out how the Left pushed their Narrative there as well, alienating the people.

    The Media is having a harder and harder time maintaining any credibility. And many Media outlets are getting really close to bankruptsy. Losing the sheeple viewers will mean that they go out of business.

    This is why I dislike Trump. He was right, and then he planned and set in motion a hasty exit.

    Hate him he was right, which also is where the truth, thats a pathetic. Hasty exit? Biden had From January to May could get out in 5 months? Specially when you know it's going to be a bloodbath? Weakness is why
    he did not act, nothing more.

    I don't believe that it was weakness.

    IHMO: Biden's handlers WANTED to give the Taliban all those weapons and wanted to embarass the U.S. on the world stage.

    The blood was just "colleratal damage". The Left cares nothing for regular people.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Monday, August 30, 2021 15:04:00
    Fact -- Biden (and Harris) have previously claimed the pullout plan
    was all Biden's, presumably because they thought it would go more smoothly than it has.

    Fact -- the agreement was Trump's, but the plan to execute it was Biden's.

    I believe that to be true, but not what your previous paragraph implies.
    I believe that the fact and the date may well have been set by Trump,
    but that he did not leave any execution plan.

    I am not sure what you disagree with re: the previous paragraph. Harris
    stated on CNN's "State of the Union" (4/25/2021) that it was Biden's plan,
    that (paraphrasing) it was well thought out and, at the prompting of the interviewer, admitted that she assisted with it.

    They only started attempting to associate Trump with it when it went South.

    So they did claim it was all Biden's, and presumably did so because they thought it would go more smoothly than it has.

    Fact -- as early as at least May, officials at the State Department, "experts," and some intelligence reports, were stating otherwise.

    There will always be some who jump in to say "I told you so". The
    complete collapse of the Afgani defense forces was not a common
    prediction, and that led to the rapid (and bloodless) takeover by the Taliban.

    Except that, since they were sending internal memos around, and the State Deparment was starting to post public advisories during the April-May
    timeframe (you can find them on usembassy.gov), while Biden was still
    saying a Taliban takeover is not likely, it is real difficult to
    categorize all of their actions as after-the-fact, I-told-you-so actions.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Monday, August 30, 2021 15:06:00
    You call this train wreck doing well? Have you taken a look at his poll numbers recently. It would seem that you have even considered these.

    His poll numbers have taken a dive mostly I think because of Afghanistan. Even
    eft wing media is calling it a loss. I don't get that.

    It is not the withdrawl but the execution thereof. There were many
    warnings that the Afghan forces were not holding up, would not likely hold
    up, and might collapse before the 8/31 date, but little was done to accelerate the departure until the collapse had already taken place.

    This is why I dislike Trump. He was right, and then he planned and set in moti
    a hasty exit.

    Except the exit that was executed was not his plan. Biden said it was his
    plan back in April. So did Harris (CNN, "State of the Union," 4/25).


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Monday, August 30, 2021 14:34:00
    We were told with the words and paragraphs typed from the left, give him a chance, he has only been in office xx months.

    Really, that is still the case. Biden has done a lot of good in a short time.
    What good? Please tell me...

    Things that are "good" for other countries who require our resources (money
    and people) in order to meet goals which may not be in our best interest
    and which likely allow other coutries (that, example, are bigger sources of
    air and ocean pollution) to go several more years without complying with
    the super strict guidelines the US will have to comply with.

    I am cheating because I have already seen his response.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Monday, August 30, 2021 15:07:00
    He mentioned WHO and the fact that the U.S. has rejoined the Paris Accords. How does that help anyone within the United States of America or Canada.
    The WHO in the pocket of the Chinese, even though it is the United States which supplies majority of it's funding. How the hell does that work?

    Chinese tourists spend, and invest, a lot of money in British Columbia.
    They own a lot of vacation properties in Vancouver and on the west coast.
    You can get a pretty good deal on a nice condo during the Chinese off-season. What is good for China (i.e. the Paris Climate accord, which will assist in sending more manufacturing jobs offshore to China) is good for Al's home province and may even be good for Al's bank account.

    You and I and most of the USA, on the other hand, not so much. Our air
    might be cleaner, but we won't have jobs. That won't matter, though, since whatever the next pandemic is that the WHO ignores until it is too late
    might have killed us before then, or have us trapped in our homes for the
    rest of our lives.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON LAUZON on Monday, August 30, 2021 14:43:00
    It doesn't. He's what Hitler called a "Useful Idiot" in that he spends his time spreading the Narrative and ignoring reality.

    Yes.

    Trump was 100% correct in getting out the Paris Accords and WHO. They were ba
    for the U.S. and provide no useful benefit for anyone.

    Except China. Both help them.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Monday, August 30, 2021 06:57:48
    What do you suggest we do for George Floyd's girlfriend and why?

    We should respect her family's privacy and let them grieve without exploiting them for black votes. That was a sick thing that Joe did.

    hated here for the way they bother people during tragedies.

    Joe Biden was not bothering anyone.

    That's being optimistic. If it were someone I cared about's funeral, I
    wouldn't have appreciated having big faker Joe there.

    Joe didn't crash the funeral, if that's what you are trying to say.

    Hopefully you've never been to a funeral before. But I have. It's sad to see people show up with fake sympathy. People who never cared before suddenly pretending to care a lot is uncomfortable. It would take a lot of devotion to the Democrats to unsee the abuse that took place.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron Lauzon on Monday, August 30, 2021 17:08:54
    Trump was 100% correct in getting out the Paris Accords and WHO. They were bad for the U.S. and provide no useful benefit for anyone.

    Surely you've read all that news about Trump causing the glaciers to melt? Sources say that the glaciers are freezing back up now that we've rejoined the Paris Accord. ;)

    The W.H.O. is useful too, just not for taxpayers or for people who have high risk for covid complications, or for people who like truth & transparency.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Mike Powell on Monday, August 30, 2021 20:09:40
    Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-

    It is not the withdrawl but the execution thereof.

    The withdrawl is now complete. As planned.

    Quite an accomplishment by Joe Biden in his first year.

    There were many warnings that the Afghan forces were not holding up,
    would not likely hold up, and might collapse before the 8/31 date, but little was done to accelerate the departure until the collapse had
    already taken place.

    There were only suspicions of what might happen. No one knew that the Afghan military would quit the way they did or that the Afghan government would simply pack up and leave.

    This is why I dislike Trump. He was right, and then he planned and set in motion a hasty exit.

    Except the exit that was executed was not his plan.

    Trump could have withdrawn if that's what he wanted to do. Not to worry. Joe Biden has completed the withdrawl now.

    Biden said it was his plan back in April. So did Harris (CNN, "State
    of the Union," 4/25).

    Yes, it was the Biden administration that completed the withdrawl. Biden has owned it, and it is his.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 30, 2021 20:09:40
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    What do you suggest we do for George Floyd's girlfriend and why?

    We should respect her family's privacy and let them grieve without exploiting them for black votes. That was a sick thing that Joe did.

    Yours are the only complaints I have read.

    Joe Biden was not bothering anyone.

    That's being optimistic.

    No, that's being "real".

    Hopefully you've never been to a funeral before. But I have. It's sad
    to see people show up with fake sympathy. People who never cared before suddenly pretending to care a lot is uncomfortable. It would take a lot
    of devotion to the Democrats to unsee the abuse that took place.

    Yes. Big fakers are a trauma but Joe was not faking anything.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, August 31, 2021 09:26:16
    Quite an accomplishment by Joe Biden in his first year.

    Indeed. Almost as good as the border crisis.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 01, 2021 16:53:38
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Quite an accomplishment by Joe Biden in his first year.

    Indeed. Almost as good as the border crisis.

    The aftermath of Ida is a crisis. There is no border crisis.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, September 01, 2021 22:30:18
    Quite an accomplishment by Joe Biden in his first year.

    Indeed. Almost as good as the border crisis.

    The aftermath of Ida is a crisis. There is no border crisis.

    That's like saying covid's not a crisis.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.3 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 03, 2021 03:57:40
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Indeed. Almost as good as the border crisis.

    The aftermath of Ida is a crisis. There is no border crisis.

    That's like saying covid's not a crisis.

    No, that would just be more lies.

    This talk of a border crisis is nothing more than right wing rhetoric.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Friday, September 03, 2021 20:34:35
    Hello Alan,

    Quite an accomplishment by Joe Biden in his first year.

    Indeed. Almost as good as the border crisis.

    The aftermath of Ida is a crisis. There is no border crisis.

    I was there. I survived it. Others did not. Or rather, their
    properties did not. The destruction shown on television was
    nothing compared to what things were really like on the ground.
    I am luckier than most, having both electricity and internet
    access - for the first time in days. I doubt anybody in these
    parts are concerned about any border crisis - whether real
    or imagined.

    --Lee

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