Based on what the news is saying, Biden's troop pullout has cost the Afghan republic their entire country. Americans from the US embasy in Kabul are running for their lives, trying to get on planes.

Is this really Biden's fault? He's a Democrat, so I don't think military stuff is his specialty, so did the commander from one of our bases call for the
troop pull-out or is Joe just scoring some points with some anti-war liberals?

I can only assume that Joe has been paid by the Taliban to pull the troops
out. Maybe they are the art aficionados who are "buying" Hunter's art?

The media is also saying "Our troops deserve to come home," and "It's better that it's not a forever-war," but who do they think they are? We've sacrificed the lives of thousands of US military personnel, all just to help Joe?

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Based on what the news is saying, Biden's troop pullout has cost the Afghan republic their entire country. Americans from the US embasy in Kabul are running for their lives, trying to get on planes.

Is this really Biden's fault? He's a Democrat, so I don't think military stuff is his specialty, so did the commander from one of our bases call for the
troop pull-out or is Joe just scoring some points with some anti-war liberals?

I can only assume that Joe has been paid by the Taliban to pull the troops out. Maybe they are the art aficionados who are "buying" Hunter's art?

The media is also saying "Our troops deserve to come home," and "It's better that it's not a forever-war," but who do they think they are? We've sacrificed the lives of thousands of US military personnel, all just to help Joe?

Pulling out this year was a deal that Trump made. How it was executed is more on this current administration. There appears to be some question over whether or not Biden was ignoring the advice of his own advisors. He either did, or they need to be replaced.

He just had a press conference where he blamed the Afghan government and military for giving up so quickly. I read one report that said the final US military presence in the country (around 2500 troops) was mostly air support and that the native military was very dependent on said air support.

The fact that this administration seemed baffled that the country would fall so quickly and, as few as six weeks ago, were questioning whether the country would fall at all is, well, baffling.

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On 15 Aug 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Is this really Biden's fault? He's a Democrat, so I don't think military stuff is his specialty, so did the commander from one of our bases call for the troop pull-out or is Joe just scoring some points with some anti-war liberals?

It depends on who you ask, I guess:

"I started the process, all the troops are coming home, [Biden] couldn't stop the process. 21 years is enough. [Biden] couldn't stop the process, [Biden] wanted to but couldn't stop the process." -- Donald Trump, last month.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

Based on what the news is saying, Biden's troop pullout has cost the Afghan
republic their entire country. Americans from the US embasy in Kabul are running for their lives, trying to get on planes.

We never should have invaded their country in the first place.
The Taliban had nothing to do with the events of 9/11, they offered
to put ObL & Co. on trial at our request, and still we decided to
invade their country so we could install a puppet regime to do
our will. And we remained there. For twenty years. In a place we
were never welcomed to be.

Now the people of Afghanistan have been given a choice to have
the kind of government they want. And we know what choice is, as
shown by all the networks.

It is their country. Not ours. We had no business going there.
We had no business being there. And we have no business staying
there.

It is not solely the USA that is at fault. It is also NATO,
which chose to join us in that mad endeavor. With all foreign
countries gone from Afghanistan, the people of that country
are finally free to decide their own future. For themselves,
and their posterity.

Is this really Biden's fault?

President Biden is doing what should have been done long ago.
He is getting all US troops and US personell out of that god-forsaken
country. Something that should have been decades ago.

He's a Democrat,

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT POLITICAL PARTY (IF ANY) A PRESIDENT
HAPPENS TO BE. PRESIDENT BIDEN DID WHAT THREE PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS
SHOULD HAVE DONE LONG AGO.

so I don't think military stuff is his specialty,

President Biden's son, Beaux, served in Iraq.
Former President GWB avoided serving in Vietnam by getting
a coveted slot in the Texas Air National Guard (he had friends
in high places) so he could defend the skies of Texas safe from
the Viet Cong. You tell me who was more patriotic.

so did the commander from one of our bases call for the
troop pull-out or is Joe just scoring some points with some anti-war liberals?

Chickenhawk GWB landed on an aircraft carrier with a sign
on deck proclaiming "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" - while the war
in Iraq raged on with more and more US servicemen dying.
While at the same time Osame bin Laden enjoying himself
in Pakistan, far away from all the fighting.

I can only assume that Joe has been paid by the Taliban to pull the troops out. Maybe they are the art aficionados who are "buying" Hunter's art?

Trump's friend Vladimir Putin would love for the US to stay in
Afghanistan another 20 years (if not forever) so as to continue
draining the US of its resources (and lives).

The media is also saying "Our troops deserve to come home," and "It's better
that it's not a forever-war," but who do they think they are? We've sacrificed
the lives of thousands of US military personnel, all just to help Joe?

How many of our nation's treasure have to die for a lost cause?
Haven't we lost enough already? The number of maimed (physically
and mentally) is over twice the number as those from Vietnam.
And you want us to stay there forever? The vast majority of the
American people are glad President Biden has chosen to get all
our US troops and personell out of that snakepit.

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Quoting Aaron Thomas to All <=-

Is this really Biden's fault? He's a Democrat,

The Democrat track record on foreign policy is pretty poor.

They are calling this latest debacle "Biden's Saigon".


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We never should have invaded their country in the first place.
The Taliban had nothing to do with the events of 9/11, they offered
to put ObL & Co. on trial at our request, and still we decided to
invade their country so we could install a puppet regime to do
our will. And we remained there. For twenty years. In a place we
were never welcomed to be.

Democrats and their trained livestock love the Taliban, I understand. But the Taliban is faulty and they offer nothing but instability to the region. But Obama didn't let the Taliban win, only Joe Biden would do a terrible thing
like that.

It is their country. Not ours. We had no business going there.
We had no business being there. And we have no business staying
there.

They were harboring Al Qaida and conservatives in the USA don't like Al Qaida.

President Biden is doing what should have been done long ago.
He is getting all US troops and US personell out of that god-forsaken country. Something that should have been decades ago.

He's planting shit seeds. Watch what happens when those shit seedlings turn into fully-matured shit trees, with over-ripened shit fruit falling all over th place, even spilling onto American soil. Biden's doing what's right for future generations of the Democrat party, because when shit apples win, Democrats win.

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Pulling out this year was a deal that Trump made. How it was executed
is more on this current administration. There appears to be some

That explains how the media is now saying "This is all Trump's fault."

military for giving up so quickly. I read one report that said the
final US military presence in the country (around 2500 troops) was
mostly air support and that the native military was very dependent on
said air support.

Now I'm wondering how can any of the Afghan Republic's (former) military members show their faces around the Taliban? They used to defend their country from them, but now they're going to be pushed around by them instead.

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Hello Aaron,

We never should have invaded their country in the first place.
The Taliban had nothing to do with the events of 9/11, they offered
to put ObL & Co. on trial at our request, and still we decided to
invade their country so we could install a puppet regime to do
our will. And we remained there. For twenty years. In a place we
were never welcomed to be.

Democrats and their trained livestock love the Taliban, I understand.

GWB loved the Taliban so much he allowed Osama bin Laden to escape.
And also allowed the Taliban to remain in Afghanistan for as long as
they wanted.

Of course, once Obama the Great took over he had Osama bin Laden
executed (with extreme prejudice) in Pakistan. His only mistake was
not pulling all our troops out of Afghanistan the day after he won
his second term in office.

But the Taliban is faulty

The Taliban never left Afghanistan. Not even after GWB sent in
the US military. And they obviously are still in Afghanistan today.

and they offer nothing but instability to the region.

It is what the people of Afghanistan want, for better or for worse.
You might not like it. I might not like it. Nobody else might like it.
But it is their country. Not mine or yours. They get to choose.

But Obama didn't let the Taliban win,

Barack Obama did not sign a peace deal with the Taliban.

only Joe Biden would do a terrible thing like that.

Joe Biden did not sign a peace deal with the Taliban.

The Taliban won because Donald Trump signed a peace deal with
them, thus tying our military's hands.

It is their country. Not ours. We had no business going there.
We had no business being there. And we have no business staying
there.

They were harboring Al Qaida and conservatives in the USA don't like Al Qaida.

We accused al-Qaeda of being the organization that sponsored
the terror attacks on 9-11. The Taliban offered to put those accused
on trial. President Bush rejected that offer and chose to invade
their country, on false pretenses of bringing those who committed
or sponsored those acts to justice. As we all know, GWB allowed
Osama bin Laden & Co. to escape into Pakistan, so he could go
invade another country - Iraq - which had nothing to do with the
events of 9-11. So you tell me. Who is the real terrorist?
Certainly not the Taliban. Certainly not Saddam Hussein. Did
Osama bin Laden have anything to do with it? Or did he simply
take credit for it, as some kind of sick boast?

President Biden is doing what should have been done long ago.
He is getting all US troops and US personell out of that god-forsaken
country. Something that should have been decades ago.

He's planting shit seeds.

I'll be happy with no more US troops getting killed and/or maimed
for no fucking reason.

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Hello Aaron,

Pulling out this year was a deal that Trump made. How it was executed
is more on this current administration. There appears to be some

That explains how the media is now saying "This is all Trump's fault."

The UK Defense Minister is calling it all Trump's fault.
So are a lot of other folks in high places.

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GWB loved the Taliban so much he allowed Osama bin Laden to escape.
And also allowed the Taliban to remain in Afghanistan for as long as
they wanted.

How did GWB allow bin Laden to escape? Didn't you say that we don't control what happens in other countries?

Of course, once Obama the Great took over he had Osama bin Laden
executed (with extreme prejudice) in Pakistan. His only mistake was
not pulling all our troops out of Afghanistan the day after he won
his second term in office.

Obama's other mistake was not providing proof of bin Laden's death to the American people. But Obama got what he wanted out of the tall tale in 2012.

It is what the people of Afghanistan want, for better or for worse.
You might not like it. I might not like it. Nobody else might like it.
But it is their country. Not mine or yours. They get to choose.

They were chosing things when they had a democratic government, but now they will never chose anything ever again.

their country, on false pretenses of bringing those who committed
or sponsored those acts to justice. As we all know, GWB allowed

The people who control your mind were bragging about all the newfound freedom the Afghan people were experiencing during the establishment of their interim government, but now they're saying otherwise.

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The fact that this administration seemed baffled that the country would fall so quickly and, as few as six weeks ago, were questioning whether
the country would fall at all is, well, baffling.

Not baffling, sure incompetence. Mr pouty I'm pissed off cuz i had to come back from my vacation is showing just how incompetent he is. The big problem is everyone in the wings isn't any better. Now the USA is truly looks bad in front of the rest of the world...

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It depends on who you ask, I guess:

"I started the process, all the troops are coming home, [Biden] couldn't stop the process. 21 years is enough. [Biden] couldn't stop the process, [Biden] wanted to but couldn't stop the process." -- Donald Trump, last month.

Yeah right... He end just about every other Trump ere program via executive order, he could have changed that to as the Taliban was not living up to there end of the agreement that Trump made with them. Biden is just incompetent along with most of his staff.

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Hello Aaron,

GWB loved the Taliban so much he allowed Osama bin Laden to escape.
And also allowed the Taliban to remain in Afghanistan for as long as
they wanted.

How did GWB allow bin Laden to escape?

GWB ran away, allowing ObL & Co. to flee to Pakistan.
Then GWB decided to invade Iraq, which had nothing to
do with the events of 9-11, and hired a Shiite hit
squad to find and hang Saddam Hussein - who also had
nothing to do with the events of 9-11. And then GWB
had the audacity to have a pilot fly him to a US
aircraft carrier which had a banner on deck declaring
what he did "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED".

Didn't you say that we don't control what happens in other countries?

"We must fight the terrorists over there so that we don't have
to fight them over here." ~George W. Bush (on Afghanistan)

Of course, once Obama the Great took over he had Osama bin Laden
executed (with extreme prejudice) in Pakistan. His only mistake was
not pulling all our troops out of Afghanistan the day after he won
his second term in office.

Obama's other mistake was not providing proof of bin Laden's death to the American people.

Trust me. Osama bin Laden is dead. Navy SEAL Team Six made sure
of that. "Exterminate with extreme prejudice." That is what they were
told to do by President Obama himself when he was in the situation
room.

But Obama got what he wanted out of the tall tale in 2012.

Nobody has seen ObL walking around anywhere in the world these days.

It is what the people of Afghanistan want, for better or for worse.
You might not like it. I might not like it. Nobody else might like it.
But it is their country. Not mine or yours. They get to choose.

They were chosing things when they had a democratic government, but now they
will never chose anything ever again.

To live, or to die. The only choice one has to make.

their country, on false pretenses of bringing those who committed
or sponsored those acts to justice. As we all know, GWB allowed

The people who control your mind were bragging about all the newfound freedom the Afghan people were experiencing during the establishment of their interim government, but now they're saying otherwise.

GWB never contolled my mind. Neither did Donald J. Trump.
Or any other politician, regardless of party affiliation.

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On 18 Aug 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

It depends on who you ask, I guess:
"I started the process, all the troops are coming home, [Biden] could stop the process. 21 years is enough. [Biden] couldn't stop the proce [Biden] wanted to but couldn't stop the process." -- Donald Trump, la month.

Yeah right... He end just about every other Trump ere program via executive order, he could have changed that to as the Taliban was not living up to there end of the agreement that Trump made with them. Biden is just incompetent along with most of his staff.

In what way were the Taliban failing to live up to their agreement with Trump?

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

It depends on who you ask, I guess:

"I started the process, all the troops are coming home, [Biden]

couldn't

stop the process. 21 years is enough. [Biden] couldn't stop the

process,

[Biden] wanted to but couldn't stop the process." -- Donald Trump,

last

month.

Yeah right... He end just about every other Trump ere program via executive
order, he could have changed that to as the Taliban was not living up to there end of the agreement that Trump made with them.

You right. Biden could have chosen to have our troops remain
in Afghanistan another decade (or longer). But he didn't. He
decided to honor Trump's agreement with the Taliban by pulling
out all our troops. Just like Trump wanted. Which should make
you very, very, happy.

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How did GWB allow bin Laden to escape?

GWB ran away, allowing ObL & Co. to flee to Pakistan.
Then GWB decided to invade Iraq, which had nothing to

How did GWB run away? He started a war in Afghanistan and Joe ended it by surrendering.

aircraft carrier which had a banner on deck declaring
what he did "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED".

I'm with you on the Iraq thing. I don't know why it was necessary to go there. But the Taliban (Joe's friends) in Afghanistan were harboring Al Quaida during the 9/11 attacks so they deserved the invasion. The Afghan people were happy about it at the time, but now the media is turning it into something it's not.

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Not baffling, sure incompetence. Mr pouty I'm pissed off cuz i had to come back
from my vacation is showing just how incompetent he is. The big problem is ever
one in the wings isn't any better. Now the USA is truly looks bad in front of t
e rest of the world...

Something else the Biden supporters said the administration would be better
at was their relationshps with our allies. It has been reported that no foreign leaders heard from Biden or Harris before Biden's speech on Monday,
and only one had heard from him by Tuesday morning (Boris Johnson, the UK). From what little I have heard about it since, most foreign leaders whose countries were part of the Afghan intervention were not very happy with how
our pullout "plan" unfolded.

The only country I have heard of that is happy with it is China.


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"I started the process, all the troops are coming home, [Biden] couldn't stop the process. 21 years is enough. [Biden] couldn't stop the process, [Biden] wanted to but couldn't stop the process." -- Donald Trump, last month.

Yeah right... He end just about every other Trump ere program via executive or
r, he could have changed that to as the Taliban was not living up to there end
f the agreement that Trump made with them. Biden is just incompetent along wit
most of his staff.

The Taliban was supposed to live up to certain expectations or the
agreement was off. They broke the rules and Biden's administration did
nothing to call them on it. One of those was not to associate with
terrorist groups but one of the first things the Taliban did was free all of the terrorist group members from prison so they could join the Taliban in victory.


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Hello Aaron,

How did GWB allow bin Laden to escape?

GWB ran away, allowing ObL & Co. to flee to Pakistan.
Then GWB decided to invade Iraq, which had nothing to

How did GWB run away?

He had our troops invade Iraq (which had nothing to do with
the events of 9/11) before finishing the job they were sent to
do in Afghanistan (bring Osama bin Laden & Co. to justice).

He started a war in Afghanistan

Yes, he did. We were the aggressor. We invaded their country.
Those who were there defended themselves, in the usual way.

and Joe ended it by surrendering.

You're all wet. Trump gave the Taliban everything they wanted
in the "peace deal" he signed with them back in February, 2020.

aircraft carrier which had a banner on deck declaring
what he did "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED".

I'm with you on the Iraq thing. I don't know why it was necessary to go there.

We were the aggressor, having no business going there in the first
place. We invaded a sovereign nation, for no fucking reason. Just
because GWB did not like Saddam Hussein is not a valid reason to do
what he did. GWB cost us thousands of lives, and more maimed and
wounded. Some so psychologically scarred they will never be able
to function in a normal way ever again.

But the Taliban (Joe's friends) in Afghanistan were harboring Al Quaida during the 9/11 attacks so they deserved the invasion.

The Taliban offered to put them on trial, at our request. GWB
refused so he could invade their country based on false pretenses.

The Afghan people were happy about it at the time,

If the people of Afghanistan were so happy about the US and NATO
presence in their country, there would not have been any violence
in their country.

but now the media is turning it into something it's not.

I do not see many people in Afghanistan waving US flags.

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Hello Mike,

Not baffling, sure incompetence. Mr pouty I'm pissed off cuz i had to come >> back from my vacation is showing just how incompetent he is. The big
problem is ever one in the wings isn't any better. Now the USA is truly
looks bad in front of t e rest of the world...

Something else the Biden supporters said the administration would be better
at was their relationshps with our allies.

Unlike your orange god, Joe Biden does not kiss Vladimir Putin's ass.

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Hello Mike,

"I started the process, all the troops are coming home, [Biden]

couldn't JT> stop the process. 21 years is enough. [Biden] couldn't stop
the process, JT> [Biden] wanted to but couldn't stop the process." --
Donald Trump, last JT> month.

Yeah right... He end just about every other Trump ere program via
executive or r, he could have changed that to as the Taliban was not
living up to there end f the agreement that Trump made with them. Biden is >> just incompetent along wit most of his staff.

The Taliban was supposed to live up to certain expectations or the
agreement was off. They broke the rules and Biden's administration did nothing to call them on it.

Quit lying. Donald J. Trump signed the "peace deal" with the Taliban.
And bragged about it. Told the whole world what a nice conversation he
had with those folks (the Taliban).

Trump owns it.
Trump chose to do nothing when the Taliban reneged.
The blood is on his (Trump's) hands.
And nobody else.

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But the Taliban (Joe's friends) in Afghanistan were harboring
Al Quaida during the 9/11 attacks so they deserved the invasion. The Afghan people were happy about it at the time, but now the media is turning it into something it's not.

They were happy at the time. Then the Left moves in with their
Narrative and tries to "westernize" the Afghans with "critical race
theory" and "intersectionality" and "diversity". No wonder why some of
the Afghans wanted the Taliban back.


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but now the media is turning it into something it's not.

I do not see many people in Afghanistan waving US flags.

Not now that we're abandoning them.

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They were happy at the time. Then the Left moves in with their
Narrative and tries to "westernize" the Afghans with "critical race theory" and "intersectionality" and "diversity". No wonder why some of the Afghans wanted the Taliban back.

I haven't read about this. It looks like the USA tried to westernize Afghanistan by installing a democratic government, but was there more to it than that?

Also, did you actually hear of any Afghan complaining about the democratic government? I didn't. Obviously there can be reasons for that (I watch 'right-wing' news and they probably wouldn't want to publish that information.)

All I heard was praise for the democratic government. Some little girl who wasn't allowed to go to school under Taliban rule was "finally able to go to school," but of course now she will be forced to trash her education in
favor of being a child bride. But "the Afghan people are getting what they wanted all along" according to the media and their parrots.

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Yeah right... He end just about every other Trump ere program via executive order, he could have changed that to as the Taliban was not living up to there end of the agreement that Trump made with them. Bi is just incompetent along with most of his staff.

In what way were the Taliban failing to live up to their agreement with Trump?

The Taliba was supposed to stop attacking the Afghan government and they were supposed to keep Al Qeada out of Afghanistan which the failed on both accounts.

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On 20 Aug 2021, Jeff Squires said the following...

Yeah right... He end just about every other Trump ere program vi executive order, he could have changed that to as the Taliban wa living up to there end of the agreement that Trump made with the is just incompetent along with most of his staff.

In what way were the Taliban failing to live up to their agreement wi Trump?

The Taliba was supposed to stop attacking the Afghan government and they were supposed to keep Al Qeada out of Afghanistan which the failed on
both accounts.

Nope. There was no agreement not to attack the Afghan government. And the
only thing in Trump's treaty regarding al-Qaeda was that the Taliban agreed
to tell them (strongly? very strongly? bigly strongly?) that they were not welcome in Afghanistan. The Taliban did not agree to fight al-Qaeda and did
not agree not to continue to fight the Afghan government. They agreed not to fight the US. I don't know what they did or did not say to al-Qaeda, but they have not fired a single shot at the US military.

Jeff.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

They were happy at the time. Then the Left moves in with their
Narrative and tries to "westernize" the Afghans with "critical race theory" and "intersectionality" and "diversity". No wonder why some of the Afghans wanted the Taliban back.

I haven't read about this. It looks like the USA tried to westernize Afghanistan by installing a democratic government, but was there more
to it than that?

It looks like there was. I think that the U.S. citizens thought that we went in to keep the peace while helping the Afghans set up a democratic gov't, but there was much more to things than that.

Just looking at how quickly their U.S.-"trained" army folded tells me that we did nothing to make them self-sufficient, but rather dependant on the U.S. gov't - that has Democrat/Leftie marks all over it.

Also, did you actually hear of any Afghan complaining about the
democratic government? I didn't. Obviously there can be reasons for
that (I watch 'right-wing' news and they probably wouldn't want to
publish that information.)

I didn't hear about that until recently. But, then Afghanistan wasn't really in the news for the last 20 years.

All I heard was praise for the democratic government. Some little girl
who wasn't allowed to go to school under Taliban rule was "finally able
to go to school," but of course now she will be forced to trash her education in favor of being a child bride. But "the Afghan people are getting what they wanted all along" according to the media and their parrots.

It's really hard to figure out what's true about this and what's not, that's for sure.


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The Taliba was supposed to stop attacking the Afghan government and they were pposed to keep Al Qeada out of Afghanistan which the failed on both accounts.

Members of the administration are now admitting that the last point is
true. Yesterday, one of the Pentagon advisers was being interviewed and admitted that Al Queda and ISIS are both present in Afghanistan and they
have no idea how many of them there are.

The Taliban freed a bunch of them from prison, so that is another clue they
are present and the Taliban knows it.


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fight the US. I don't know what they did or did not say to al-Qaeda, but they have not fired a single shot at the US military.

Because the US military is hold up inside the airport and not engaging the Taliban.

"Following the departure of U.S. troops from Afghanistan, President Biden sent back thousands of American military personnel... But Pentagon leadership said U.S. forces that have returned to the country are not tasked with going beyond the Kabul airport to retrieve stranded Americans, unlike their British counterparts who are scouring the country conducting rescues."

[US] Gen. Hank Taylor: "At this time, our main mission continues to be to secure [the airport], to allow those American citizens and other civilians to come in and be processed at the airfield."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/brits-rescuing-americans-afghanistan-matt- pottinger


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On 21 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

fight the US. I don't know what they did or did not say to al-Qaeda, but have not fired a single shot at the US military.

Because the US military is hold up inside the airport and not engaging
the Taliban.

It's equally true that the Taliban is not engaging the US military.

Jeff.

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He promised it would go smoothly, that there would be no US citizens left behind, & that there would not be people plucked off rooftops like in Vietnam. None of those promises were kept.

I'm not sure he made those promises.

He most certainly did.


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He promised it would go smoothly, that there would be no US citizens left >> > behind, & that there would not be people plucked off rooftops like in
Vietnam. None of those promises were kept.

I'm not sure he made those promises.

He most certainly did.

It did go smoothly. Al-Qaeda was the one making trouble, not Biden.

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It did go smoothly. Al-Qaeda was the one making trouble, not Biden.

And a leader would have seen that possibility has one that would likely happen. That would rule out Joe and you apparently.

And a leader who wanted out would have done that. That would rule out Donald and you apparently.

What about the other two? He left people behind,

Who was that? The only people left behind stayed behind by choice.

and people were indeed plucked off the rooftop at the embassy. Two things
he said would not happen, and said would not happen after Al-Qaeda made trouble.

Yes, it was Al-Qaeda the was making trouble. Good talking point though.

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He promised it would go smoothly, that there would be no US citizens left
behind, & that there would not be people plucked off rooftops like in
Vietnam. None of those promises were kept.

I'm not sure he made those promises.

He most certainly did.

It did go smoothly. Al-Qaeda was the one making trouble, not Biden.

And a leader would have seen that possibility has one that would likely
happen. That would rule out Joe and you apparently.

What about the other two? He left people behind, and people were indeed plucked off the rooftop at the embassy. Two things he said would not
happen, and said would not happen after Al-Qaeda made trouble.


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I'm not sure he made those promises.

He most certainly did.

It did go smoothly. Al-Qaeda was the one making trouble, not Biden.

I might not be the biggest Al-Qaeda supporter in the world, but what kind of trouble did they make? 9/11? Ok, but it was ISIS who attacked our troops
during the pull-out, and it's Biden who left behind hundreds of American residents (green card holders) to be murdered by the Taliban.

That's why they are now at the mercy of vigilantes who care about the preservation of human life (conservatives.)

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What about the other two? He left people behind,

Who was that? The only people left behind stayed behind by choice.

Sure thing Al. Everybody wants to have their heads hacked off by machete. It's what all the hipsters are doing these days.

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And a leader would have seen that possibility has one that would likely happen. That would rule out Joe and you apparently.

And a leader who wanted out would have done that. That would rule out Donald a
you apparently.

It would not rule me out, but it would rule out Obama, whose administration
met the objective by getting Osama but still didn't pull out.

What about the other two? He left people behind,

Who was that? The only people left behind stayed behind by choice.

Blatantly false. It might be true now but was not at the time. Seems like
it mostly affected citizens and green-card holders of regional descent.

and people were indeed plucked off the rooftop at the embassy. Two things he said would not happen, and said would not happen after Al-Qaeda made trouble.

Yes, it was Al-Qaeda the was making trouble.

Only a dumbass would not have expected that.


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Who was that? The only people left behind stayed behind by choice.

Sure thing Al. Everybody wants to have their heads hacked off by machete. It's
what all the hipsters are doing these days.

He didn't leave behind any hipsters, unless they were green-card holding hipsters born in that region, or hipster citizens who had
relatives there.


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It did go smoothly. Al-Qaeda was the one making trouble, not Biden.

I might not be the biggest Al-Qaeda supporter in the world, but what kind of trouble did they make? 9/11?

Yeah, that was Al-Qaeda at least in part. I think that was bigger than Al-Qaeda.

Ok, but it was ISIS who attacked our troops during the pull-out, and it's Biden who left behind hundreds of American residents (green card holders) to be murdered by the Taliban.

Al-Qaeda took responsibility for the attack. ISIS was pretty much destroyed but there is likely remnants of it still.

Biden never left anyone behind. There were and likely still are many who stayed behind by choice.

There are many who would like to leave, many friends of America but they will have to go through the process.

That's why they are now at the mercy of vigilantes who care about the preservation of human life (conservatives.)

I'd like to see that.

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What about the other two? He left people behind,

Who was that? The only people left behind stayed behind by choice.

Sure thing Al. Everybody wants to have their heads hacked off by machete. It's what all the hipsters are doing these days.

Those who wanted out got out.

Who is it you are saying were left behind?

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Biden never left anyone behind. There were and likely still are many who staye
behind by choice.

BS. Even CNN covered people being left behind, not by choice, after our troops (a/k/a their protection) were all gone.


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Biden never left anyone behind. There were and likely still are many who staye
behind by choice.

BS. Even CNN covered people being left behind, not by choice, after our troops (a/k/a their protection) were all gone.

Being in BC Alan probably watches CBC, CTV or Global. But they all covered it too so he's just lying his face off to try to somehow "win the Internet" or something.

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Being in BC Alan probably watches CBC, CTV or Global. But they all covered it too so he's just lying his face off to try to somehow "win the Internet" or something.

Who was left behind?

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Biden never left anyone behind. There were and likely still are many wh
staye
behind by choice.

BS. Even CNN covered people being left behind, not by choice, after our troops (a/k/a their protection) were all gone.

Being in BC Alan probably watches CBC, CTV or Global. But they all covered it o so he's just lying his face off to try to somehow "win the Internet" or some
ing.

The only ones of Joe's promises (unstated) that Alan cares about it that he
is "not Trump" and "not a Republican." He could get as many Americans
killed as he wants as long as he keeps those two promises and Alan would
see, hear, nor speak any evil against him.


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Biden never left anyone behind. There were and likely still are many who >MP> > staye
behind by choice.

BS. Even CNN covered people being left behind, not by choice, after our >MP> troops (a/k/a their protection) were all gone.

Being in BC Alan probably watches CBC, CTV or Global. But they all covered it t
o so he's just lying his face off to try to somehow "win the Internet" or somet
ing.

I am glad to hear the Canadian press didn't gloss over the issue, either. Although he has stopped poking at me about it, I see he has not dropped it.

He is not smart enough to "win the Internet." Win at "trolling the
Internet," oh yes I am sure he could do that.


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Being in BC Alan probably watches CBC, CTV or Global. But they all covered i
too so he's just lying his face off to try to somehow "win the Internet" or something.

Who was left behind?

Americans. Who wanted to leave.

We've already covered that, oh ye of such short memory.

In a few days it will be "I never asked who was left behind!!!"


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The only ones of Joe's promises (unstated) that Alan cares about it that he is "not Trump" and "not a Republican."

That is not exactly true. The fact he is not Trump is a good point.

I don't have a problem with conservatives or republicans although the current republican attack on democracy is a strike against them.

He could get as many Americans killed as he wants as long as he keeps those two promises and Alan would see, hear, nor speak any evil against him.

That is a lie. I have never said anything that resembles any of that.

Your lie.

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I don't have a problem with conservatives or republicans although the current republican attack on democracy is a strike against them.

Al, I feel the need to address the elephant in the room:

Democrats create distractions by accusing Republicans of doing whatever sinister thing it is that they (Democrats) are doing (or planning to do.) That way all eyes are on the Republicans. The Democrat party is smart like that,
but Republicans don't do it because they don't have the media to back them up in case of it backfiring.

It seems like you are dabbling in the art. Democrats barely won the presidential election of 2020. They don't want to suffer that same kind of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election. Republicans are opposed to things like "voting rights for felons" and/or "voting rights for green card holders." But Democrats are turning the tables by saying "We are a nation of immigrants and not letting them vote in our elections is an attack on Democracy."

Bait-and-switch. That's what they're doing, and it seems like you're either dabbling in the art, or else you're falling for it.

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Al, I feel the need to address the elephant in the room:

The elephant in the room?

Democrats create distractions by accusing Republicans of doing whatever sinister thing it is that they (Democrats) are doing (or planning to do.)

It's not hard to see what democrats or republicans are doing.

That way all eyes are on the Republicans. The Democrat party is smart like that, but Republicans don't do it because they don't have the media to back them up in case of it backfiring.

The media is not the issue.

It seems like you are dabbling in the art.

There is no art involved here.

Democrats barely won the presidential election of 2020. They don't want to suffer that same kind of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election.

What anti-democratic changes are you talking about?

Republicans are opposed to things like "voting rights for felons" and/or "voting rights for green card holders." But Democrats are turning the tables by saying "We are a nation of immigrants and not letting them vote in our elections is an attack on Democracy."

No, the attack on the capitol was an attack on democracy.

Bait-and-switch. That's what they're doing, and it seems like you're either dabbling in the art, or else you're falling for it.

I'm not falling for anything or dabbling in any art. I am see what is happening and commenting on it.

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Democrats barely won the presidential election of 2020. They don't want suffer that same kind of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election.

What anti-democratic changes are you talking about?

Democrats have introduced a bill (it hasn't been ratified) called "For The People Act." The bill includes: automatic voter registration (puts every human in the USA on the electoral roll and opens doors for fraud,) prevents voter roll purges (keeps deceased voters on the electoral roll for at least 1 year,) allows vote by mail for all registered voters (another fraud-op,) gives voting rights to convicted felons (felons are liberals,) campaign finance reform (doesn't stop George Soros from running the country.)

So that's what I thought you were talking about - but you're referring to:

No, the attack on the capitol was an attack on democracy.

No Republicans have been implicated in the attack. The media made it look like Trump was involved, but he was vindicated. I might be wrong, but I believe it was a group of idiots (conservative idiots) who thought they were above the will of the nation, who carried out the attack. 2 Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights of the accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican support for the attack (that I know of.)

Bait-and-switch. That's what they're doing, and it seems like you're eit dabbling in the art, or else you're falling for it.

I'm not falling for anything or dabbling in any art. I am see what is happening and commenting on it.

I'm glad that you're commenting on these things. I don't discourage that. I didn't realize that you were talking about the capitol riot. You won't catch
me defending it. I believe in conceding when defeated.

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On 04 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

It seems like you are dabbling in the art. Democrats barely won the presidential election of 2020.

They won by 7 million popular votes and 74 electoral votes. Trump won the
2016 election by 74 electoral votes and considered this a "landslide."

They don't want to suffer that same kind
of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election.

This is exactly what Republicans are doing. Nice projection, though.

Republicans
are opposed to things like "voting rights for felons" and/or "voting rights for green card holders."

Various states have different laws regarding the voting rights of felons who have completed their sentences. No one of any consequence is advocating
"voting rights for green card holders;" that's a straw man.

Bait-and-switch. That's what they're doing, and it seems like you're either dabbling in the art, or else you're falling for it.

That's exactly what Republicans are doing: Tightening election laws to
exclude more and more people based on the lie that voter fraud tipped the
2020 election. No evidence has been found to support widespread election
fraud in 2020. All of the state audits that have been conducted concluded
that the election was not "stolen." And yet, Republicans continue to lean on that lie to pass laws making elections more favorable for the GOP.

Jeff.

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On 04 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

No Republicans have been implicated in the attack. The media made it
look like Trump was involved, but he was vindicated.

Trump was not vindicated at all. The impeachment over the insurrection was entirely political. Trump & Co. were trying very, very hard to have the election overturned based on what we now know to be entirely false
allegations of election fraud.

I might be wrong,
but I believe it was a group of idiots (conservative idiots) who thought they were above the will of the nation, who carried out the attack.

Conservative idiots are still conservatives.

2
Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights of the accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican support for
the attack (that I know of.)

Republican idiots are still Republicans. And they aren't just complaining
about the rights of the accused attackers, although it's funny how that works when their base starts getting jailed. Many have downplayed the insurrection, and some to this day refuse to admit that Biden won in a fair election.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

Democrats barely won the presidential election of 2020. They don't

want

suffer that same kind of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted

an

anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the

next

election.

What anti-democratic changes are you talking about?

Democrats have introduced a bill (it hasn't been ratified) called "For The People Act." The bill includes: automatic voter registration (puts every human
in the USA on the electoral roll and opens doors for fraud,) prevents voter
roll purges (keeps deceased voters on the electoral roll for at least 1 year,)
allows vote by mail for all registered voters (another fraud-op,) gives voting
rights to convicted felons (felons are liberals,) campaign finance reform (doesn't stop George Soros from running the country.)

You are so full of it your eyes are turning brown -

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/people-act -separating-fact-fiction

So that's what I thought you were talking about - but you're referring to:

No, the attack on the capitol was an attack on democracy.

No Republicans have been implicated in the attack.

Over 700 individuals have been identified as having taken part in
the attack. 220 of them have been charged with various crimes, with
some already having been tried and convicted.

The media made it look like Trump was involved, but he was vindicated.

The news media televised his rant live for all to see, including
his own words encouraging folks to storm the Capitol building.

I might be wrong, but I believe it was a group of idiots (conservative idiots) who thought they were above the will of the nation, who carried out
the attack.

Led by a conservative idiot of their own, who had claimed he would
join them later but chickened out.

2 Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights of the accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican support for the attack (that I know of.)

So, what you are saying is that Republican conservative idiots, led
by a conservative idiot by the name of Donald J. Trump, committed acts
of sedition against the United States of America, including attacking
the Capitol building, killing several innocent people in the process.

With only "2 Republican idiots from the house" whining about the
"rights" of those who took part in those criminal acts.

Thank goodness liberal idiots took no part in those antics.

--Lee

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Hello Jeff,

It seems like you are dabbling in the art. Democrats barely won the
presidential election of 2020.

They won by 7 million popular votes and 74 electoral votes. Trump won the 2016 election by 74 electoral votes and considered this a "landslide."

In 2020 - Joe Biden won the popular vote by 7 million votes over his
nearest opponent, who trailed all others by a total of 10 million
votes. As noted, Joe Biden easily won the electoral college by 74
votes, needing only 270 to win. The Congress certified the win, and
Biden was sworn in as POTUS on January 20, 2021.

In 2016 - Hillary Clinton won the popular vote over her nearest
opponent, but conceded the election to her opponent despite knowing
and acknowledging he had colluded with Russians to steal it from her.
At no time did she beg her supporters to storm the Capitol and kill
the vice president (Joe Biden) or the Speaker of the House. And we
all know who the Congress certified as the winner of the electoral
college.

They don't want to suffer that same kind of anxiety again in 2024, AT>so

they've drafted an anti-democratic voting bill to make sweeping AT>changes ahead of the next election.

This is exactly what Republicans are doing. Nice projection, though.

US Sentator Bill Cassidy is not one of them, being more interested
in running for governor of Louisiana next year. US Representative Liz
Cheney is also not one of them, as she is mulling whether or not to
run for POTUS rather than remaining in Congress.

Republicans are opposed to things like "voting rights for felons"
and/or "voting rights for green card holders."

Various states have different laws regarding the voting rights of felons who
have completed their sentences. No one of any consequence is advocating "voting rights for green card holders;" that's a straw man.

US Senator Bernie Sanders has been advocating for voting rights
to be extended for felons, but only one state has adopted that change.
Many states continue to bar not only felons who are currently behind
bars, but also ex-felons who are no longer on parole.

NYC is considering allowing undocumented workers to vote in local
elections, but I know of no state that allows undocumented workers
to vote in any elections (state or federal).

Bait-and-switch. That's what they're doing, and it seems like you're
either dabbling in the art, or else you're falling for it.

That's exactly what Republicans are doing: Tightening election laws to exclude more and more people based on the lie that voter fraud tipped the 2020 election. No evidence has been found to support widespread election fraud in 2020.

Widespread election fraud. That is the issue. There have been isolated
cases of voter fraud, or mistakes that have been made in counting votes.
But no evidence to support claims of widespread election fraud.

All of the state audits that have been conducted concluded that the election
was not "stolen."

But The Orange One continues to peddle The Big Lie, and like candy his supporters eat it all up. Goebbels would be proud.

And yet, Republicans continue to lean on that lie to pass laws making elections more favorable for the GOP.

Favorable to the GOP? Or a sore loser named Donald J. Trump?
Not that there is a difference ...

--Lee

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On 05 Jan 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

And yet, Republicans continue to lean on that lie to pass laws making elections more favorable for the GOP.

Favorable to the GOP? Or a sore loser named Donald J. Trump?
Not that there is a difference ...

For the GOP. They like to believe that about 50% of the country is conservative, but that's not the case. If it were, they'd have no problem getting rid of the electoral college and adopting a "one person* one vote" popular election. But they can't do that because they rely too heavily on the electoral college's power boost for low-population states. Only with the electoral college in play can they approach 50% power at the national level.

* By person, in this context, I mean eligible voter.

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On 05 Jan 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

No Republicans have been implicated in the attack.

Over 700 individuals have been identified as having taken part in
the attack. 220 of them have been charged with various crimes, with
some already having been tried and convicted.

Aaron likes to pretend that "Republicans" only refers to "Republican politicians" when it suits his needs.

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They don't want to suffer that same kind
of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic votin bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election.

This is exactly what Republicans are doing. Nice projection, though.

Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not the past.

who have completed their sentences. No one of any consequence is advocating "voting rights for green card holders;" that's a straw man.

It's already law in NYC. I'm not opposed to that part of the liberal agenda; I look forward to having green card holders voting in our elections. I suspect that most conservatives would reject the idea though.

That's exactly what Republicans are doing: Tightening election laws to exclude more and more people based on the lie that voter fraud tipped the

Which Republicans are you talking about?

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No Republicans have been implicated in the attack. The media made it look like
Trump was involved, but he was vindicated. I might be wrong, but I believe it was a group of idiots (conservative idiots) who thought they were above the will of the nation, who carried out the attack. 2 Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights of the accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican support for the attack (that I know of.)

Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to
receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are not in
power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as much
trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

I am much more concerned with what ELECTED people, the ones who pass laws
and sign executive orders, and their political appointees, are up to.
They are the ones in power, and who have the power to take away people's rights. Right now, the side trying to keep people quiet who don't want to "follow the science" or go along with whatever their plans are or risk losing certain rights, are *not* Republican elected/appointed officials.

Aside from making fun of people, I don't remember Trump attempting to take
away the rights of any *citizens*.


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You are so full of it your eyes are turning brown -

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/people-act -separating-fact-fiction

I'm not a brennancenter fan. I like Rent-A-Center better.

Over 700 individuals have been identified as having taken part in
the attack. 220 of them have been charged with various crimes, with
some already having been tried and convicted.

That's the way things should always be; criminals being prosecuted. But President Soros is changing all that.

The media made it look like Trump was involved, but he was vindicated

The news media televised his rant live for all to see, including
his own words encouraging folks to storm the Capitol building.

Yea, but it was cool how he was ultimately vindicated. The good that Trump did outweighs the bad.

2 Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights of t accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican support for attack (that I know of.)

So, what you are saying is that Republican conservative idiots, led
by a conservative idiot by the name of Donald J. Trump, committed acts
of sedition against the United States of America, including attacking

Trump-supporters and Republicans are 2 different things, so no.

Thank goodness liberal idiots took no part in those antics.

John Sullivan is one of yours.

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Aaron likes to pretend that "Republicans" only refers to "Republican politicians" when it suits his needs.

Take World Politics 101 (and pass it with an A) and you'll refer to stuff the same way I do.

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Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are not in power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as much trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

You mean people like Marjorie? I think she's sponsored by liberals in an
effort to make us look bad.

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No Republicans have been implicated in the attack. The media made it loo like
Trump was involved, but he was vindicated. I might be wrong, but I belie was a group of idiots (conservative idiots) who thought they were above will of the nation, who carried out the attack. 2 Republican idiots from house were whining about the rights of the accused attackers, but that's brunt of any Republican support for the attack (that I know of.)

Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are not in power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as much trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

The problem is that that the idiots make up a substantial part of the Republican base, especially post-Trump. The Republicans need every vote they can get, and offending or punishing members of their base is something they can't afford to do. So they lie, they defend the indefensible, they gaslight.

I am much more concerned with what ELECTED people, the ones who pass laws and sign executive orders, and their political appointees, are up to.
They are the ones in power, and who have the power to take away people's rights. Right now, the side trying to keep people quiet who don't want
to "follow the science" or go along with whatever their plans are or
risk losing certain rights, are *not* Republican elected/appointed officials.

They want to be re-elected, and so have to appease those who voted for them. Even the idiots.

Aside from making fun of people, I don't remember Trump attempting to
take away the rights of any *citizens*.

Well, for starters, he tried to take away the right of citizens to elect
the president of their choice. He didn't take away the right to vote, per se, but tried to make that right meaningless.

He also tried to take away the rights of transgender people to serve in the US military. He also called for the repeal of protections for the rights of LGBT workers and transgender students. Among others.

Jeff.

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On 05 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

They don't want to suffer that same kind
of anxiety again in 2024, so they've drafted an anti-democratic bill to make sweeping changes ahead of the next election.

This is exactly what Republicans are doing. Nice projection, though.

Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not the past.

Projecting is when a person accuses others of doing that of which they are doing. It has nothing to do with predicting anything.

who have completed their sentences. No one of any consequence is advocating "voting rights for green card holders;" that's a straw man

It's already law in NYC. I'm not opposed to that part of the liberal agenda; I look forward to having green card holders voting in our elections. I suspect that most conservatives would reject the idea
though.

That's at a local level. No one is seriously advocating giving non-citizens
the right to vote at the state or national levels.

That's exactly what Republicans are doing: Tightening election laws t exclude more and more people based on the lie that voter fraud tipped

Which Republicans are you talking about?

Texas Republicans. Florida Republicans. Arizona Republicans. Georgia Republicans. Michigan Republicans. Pennsylvania Republicans. Have you not
been paying attention?

Jeff.

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On 05 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Aaron likes to pretend that "Republicans" only refers to "Republican politicians" when it suits his needs.

Take World Politics 101 (and pass it with an A) and you'll refer to
stuff the same way I do.

Perhaps you should take it again. When polls indicate that 76% of Republicans feel a certain way, they're not referring to only Republican politicians. Not even on Fox News.

Jeff.
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On 05 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are no power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as mu trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

You mean people like Marjorie? I think she's sponsored by liberals in an effort to make us look bad.

Nice try at playing the victim, but no. She's all yours.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

You are so full of it your eyes are turning brown -

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/people-act
-separating-fact-fiction

I'm not a brennancenter fan. I like Rent-A-Center better.

Facts are facts. And those facts speak for themselves.

Over 700 individuals have been identified as having taken part in
the attack. 220 of them have been charged with various crimes, with
some already having been tried and convicted.

That's the way things should always be; criminals being prosecuted.

Those who took part and commited crimes should be prosecuted,
convicted, and sentenced. You have a problem with that?

But President Soros is changing all that.

Who the fuck is that? And why should anybody care?

The media made it look like Trump was involved, but he was vindicated

The news media televised his rant live for all to see, including
his own words encouraging folks to storm the Capitol building.

Yea, but it was cool how he was ultimately vindicated.

We'll see what a certain House committee has to say about that.

The good that Trump did outweighs the bad.

Ransacking the Capitol building and threatening to hang Vice
President Mike Pence and assassinate Speaker of the House Nancy
Pelosi are not good things. Donald Trump and his cronies led the
charge, telling them to go out and do it, that he would join them
later, and how much he loved them. And you are telling me what he
did "outweighs the bad"? My God, what a horrible person you are!

2 Republican idiots from the house were whining about the rights

of t

accused attackers, but that's the brunt of any Republican

support for

attack (that I know of.)

So, what you are saying is that Republican conservative idiots, led
by a conservative idiot by the name of Donald J. Trump, committed

acts

of sedition against the United States of America, including attacking

Trump-supporters and Republicans are 2 different things, so no.

Trump's GOP do not represent what the Republican Party is or ever
has been. Liz Cheney and a small handful of other Republicans do, but
not Trump's GOP who are mere lackeys who do his bidding.

Thank goodness liberal idiots took no part in those antics.

John Sullivan is one of yours.

Who the fuck is that? And why should anybody care?

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On 06 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are in
power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 202

[...]

No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is most worried are going to take away our rights.

Plenty of Republicans who hold office believe in conspiracy theories. There
are Repblicans in Congress who *still* can't admit that Trump lost the election.

Jeff.

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Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are not in
power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as much trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

You mean people like Marjorie? I think she's sponsored by liberals in an effort to make us look bad.

No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is most worried are going to take away our rights.

I am more worried about the elected officials and their appointees.
Marjorie would fall into this latter category but, being a Republican, she
is in the minority right now.


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On 05 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Idiots who currently boo Trump and any other Republican who admits to receiving a vaccine or suggests that others do the same. They are not in power and don't act or speak for most of us. They should be in as much trouble as those who rioted and looted throughout the Summer of 2020.

This is a very intriguing statement. I'm wondering if you could expound on
this a little bit.

Is it their belief that the vaccines are unsafe that sets them apart from you?

Or is it their disrespectful booing of Trump and other Republicans who admit
to having received a vaccine or suggest that others do the same?

How much trouble did the people who rioted and/or looted during the summer
and fall of 2020 get into? Over 10,000 people have been arrested on charges related to riots in the summer and fall of 2020*.

Do you think that people should be arrested for thinking that the vaccines
are unsafe?

Do you think that people should be arrested for booing Trump and other Republicans?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Jeff.

* See: https://apnews.com/article/american-protests-us-news-arrests-minnesota-burglary -bb2404f9b13c8b53b94c73f818f6a0b7

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Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not the past.

Projecting is when a person accuses others of doing that of which they
are doing. It has nothing to do with predicting anything.

It means different things to different people, but I respect your definition.

That's at a local level. No one is seriously advocating giving non-citizens the right to vote at the state or national levels.

That's racist as hell. They live and work here. They put up with Biden. They deserve to vote here.

Which Republicans are you talking about?

Texas Republicans. Florida Republicans. Arizona Republicans. Georgia Republicans. Michigan Republicans. Pennsylvania Republicans. Have you not been paying attention?

You said it's "happening on a local level." I'm from upstate New York. Why would I know what's happening on a local level in these other states? Our
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On 06 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not the past.

Projecting is when a person accuses others of doing that of which the are doing. It has nothing to do with predicting anything.

It means different things to different people, but I respect your definition.

The definition I used, and the one that should have been obvious from the context, was the psychological term. Did you think I meant astral projection
or something?

That's at a local level. No one is seriously advocating giving non-citizens the right to vote at the state or national levels.

That's racist as hell. They live and work here. They put up with Biden. They deserve to vote here.

That's exactly why they should be included in the census. They may not get to vote, but their presence contributes to the representation that their state receives in Congress. That's also precisely why Republicans don't want them counted in the Census. Furthermore, I'm going to assume that you're being facetions with this remark, as it's a complete reversal from your previous statements.

Which Republicans are you talking about?

Texas Republicans. Florida Republicans. Arizona Republicans. Georgia Republicans. Michigan Republicans. Pennsylvania Republicans. Have you been paying attention?

You said it's "happening on a local level." I'm from upstate New York.
Why would I know what's happening on a local level in these other
states? Our motto in Binghamton is: "Mind your own business." Out-of-towners never get it.

I said that the push for voting rights for green card holders was happening
at a local level, not the attacks on voting rights by the GOP at the state level.

The attacks on voting rights at the state level directly impact the right to vote at the national level, since states are in charge of their own voting laws. Are you sure that you passed "World Politics 101" with an A? I'm
guessing "US Government 101" was not as kind to you.

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That's the way things should always be; criminals being prosecuted.

Those who took part and commited crimes should be prosecuted,
convicted, and sentenced. You have a problem with that?

I don't think it's a waste of money. All criminals should go to jail, and we the taxpayers should pay for their stay. We shouldn't try to cut corners by letting them go free; we should foot the bill to incarcerate them. If we don't incarcerate them, then what's gonna happen on the next election day?

But President Soros is changing all that.

Who the fuck is that? And why should anybody care?

That's the man in charge of this country; the REAL president. He bankrolled Joe's campaign, and now we're paying him back by closing prisons, bailing out criminals, eliminating cash bail, and installing district attorneys who refuse to charge rapsists and/or child sex offenders.

Ransacking the Capitol building and threatening to hang Vice
President Mike Pence and assassinate Speaker of the House Nancy
Pelosi are not good things. Donald Trump and his cronies led the

Trump's "cronies" include people like Mike Pence and Mitch Mcconnel, not liberal activists like John Sullivan.

later, and how much he loved them. And you are telling me what he
did "outweighs the bad"? My God, what a horrible person you are!

I don't feel like a bad person. Nobody is perfect. You ain't gonna get god to run the country. And until you're able to recruit god, Trump is the best you can get.

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You mean people like Marjorie? I think she's sponsored by liberals in an effort to make us look bad.

No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is most worried are going to take away our rights.

They came SO close to taking over our country! ;)

Next time they should bring slingshots with them. Our democracy would have been SO defeated had they brought slingshots! ;)

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On 06 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

But President Soros is changing all that.

Who the fuck is that? And why should anybody care?

That's the man in charge of this country; the REAL president. He bankrolled Joe's campaign, and now we're paying him back by closing prisons, bailing out criminals, eliminating cash bail, and installing district attorneys who refuse to charge rapsists and/or child sex offenders.

BS. That's just more right-wing, anti-Semitic, victimhood-mentality
propaganda.

later, and how much he loved them. And you are telling me what he
did "outweighs the bad"? My God, what a horrible person you are!

I don't feel like a bad person. Nobody is perfect. You ain't gonna get
god to run the country. And until you're able to recruit god, Trump is
the best you can get.

Nope. Trump is one of the worst you can get.

Jeff.

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On 06 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is mo worried are going to take away our rights.

They came SO close to taking over our country! ;)
Next time they should bring slingshots with them. Our democracy would
have been SO defeated had they brought slingshots! ;)

They actually came fairly close. They almost stopped Congress from counting
the electoral votes. The Constitution only gives one very specific day for
that to happen. If it doesn't happen on that day, no one knows what's
supposed to happen.

Jeff.

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Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not the pa

Projecting is when a person accuses others of doing that of whic are doing. It has nothing to do with predicting anything.

It means different things to different people, but I respect your definition.

The definition I used, and the one that should have been obvious from the context, was the psychological term. Did you think I meant astral projection or something?

I was talking about something that happened in the past, and you said I was "projecting." Even under the psychological definition, it still doesn't make sense. Did you learn that nifty new phrase from Joy Reid or something?

That's racist as hell. They live and work here. They put up with Bide They deserve to vote here.

That's exactly why they should be included in the census. They may not
get to vote, but their presence contributes to the representation that their state receives in Congress. That's also precisely why Republicans don't want them counted in the Census. Furthermore, I'm going to assume that you're being facetions with this remark, as it's a complete
reversal from your previous statements.

You're conflating again! Permanent residents ARE counted by the Census Bureau. Are you confusing them with illegals or refugees or something? You often conflate groups of people.

I don't know what facetions are, but I'm not being facetious. I know a lot of permanent residents who are supportive of Trump and/or other Republicans. I honestly believe that this is why Biden is intentionally leaving them behind
in Afghanistan, aside from the few bucks he'll save to make George happy.

The attacks on voting rights at the state level directly impact the
right to vote at the national level, since states are in charge of their own voting laws. Are you sure that you passed "World Politics 101" with
an A? I'm guessing "US Government 101" was not as kind to you.

I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, but how am I supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to change their
voting laws?

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while
they're trying to have a conversation with you?

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On 07 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Projecting is when a person predicts the future, not t

Projecting is when a person accuses others of doing that of are doing. It has nothing to do with predicting anything.

It means different things to different people, but I respect you definition.

The definition I used, and the one that should have been obvious from context, was the psychological term. Did you think I meant astral projection or something?

I was talking about something that happened in the past, and you said I was "projecting." Even under the psychological definition, it still doesn't make sense. Did you learn that nifty new phrase from Joy Reid or something?

It doesn't matter if the behavior being projected occurred in the past or the present; it's still projection. It sounds like you just learned a nifty new phrase from me, though.

That's racist as hell. They live and work here. They put up with They deserve to vote here.

That's exactly why they should be included in the census. They may no get to vote, but their presence contributes to the representation tha their state receives in Congress. That's also precisely why Republica don't want them counted in the Census. Furthermore, I'm going to assu that you're being facetions with this remark, as it's a complete reversal from your previous statements.

You're conflating again! Permanent residents ARE counted by the Census Bureau. Are you confusing them with illegals or refugees or something?
You often conflate groups of people.

I was referring to all non-US citizens. You know, "taxation without representation" and all that.

I don't know what facetions are, but I'm not being facetious. I know a
lot of permanent residents who are supportive of Trump and/or other Republicans. I honestly believe that this is why Biden is intentionally leaving them behind in Afghanistan, aside from the few bucks he'll save
to make George happy.

And yet you have no evidence of any of those claims. Your beliefs are based
on situations you made up.

The attacks on voting rights at the state level directly impact the right to vote at the national level, since states are in charge of th own voting laws. Are you sure that you passed "World Politics 101" wi an A? I'm guessing "US Government 101" was not as kind to you.

I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, but how
am I supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to change their voting laws?

By monitoring the news.Is it not your duty as a US citizen and voter to know what's going on in your own country?

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while they're trying to have a conversation with you?

If you don't want to look stupid, don't say stupid things. Think. Do the
math. Look at what's going on outside your little bubble.

Jeff.
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No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is most worried are going to take away our rights.

They came SO close to taking over our country! ;)

Especially after Donald Trump did his part to have the National Guard
available on Jan 6, but Nancy Pelosi and the Mayor of DC both declined to
do theirs.

Next time they should bring slingshots with them. Our democracy would have been
SO defeated had they brought slingshots! ;)

Yes, that would have made the comparisons to Pearl Harbor more legit.

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Is it their belief that the vaccines are unsafe that sets them apart from you?

Or is it their disrespectful booing of Trump and other Republicans who admit to having received a vaccine or suggest that others do the same?

How much trouble did the people who rioted and/or looted during the summer and fall of 2020 get into? Over 10,000 people have been arrested on charges related to riots in the summer and fall of 2020*.

Do you think that people should be arrested for thinking that the vaccines are unsafe?

Do you think that people should be arrested for booing Trump and other Republicans?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I started to answer the first couple of questions, but then realized with
the rest of the questions that this discussion is going down a typical rabbit hole that makes it useless to bother.


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I don't know what facetions are, but I'm not being facetious. I know a lot of permanent residents who are supportive of Trump and/or other Republicans. I honestly believe that this is why Biden is intentionally leaving them behind in Afghanistan...

Most of the ones I know, who are from that region, are often
family-oriented and have beliefs that I would consider conservative, so you could be onto something there.

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while they're trying to have a conversation with you?

It makes him feel like he is smarter than the other person, which probably makes him feel good.


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On 07 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Is it their belief that the vaccines are unsafe that sets them apart fro you?
Or is it their disrespectful booing of Trump and other Republicans who a to having received a vaccine or suggest that others do the same?
How much trouble did the people who rioted and/or looted during the summ and fall of 2020 get into? Over 10,000 people have been arrested on char related to riots in the summer and fall of 2020*.
Do you think that people should be arrested for thinking that the vaccin are unsafe?
Do you think that people should be arrested for booing Trump and other Republicans?
Inquiring minds want to know.

I started to answer the first couple of questions, but then realized with the rest of the questions that this discussion is going down a typical rabbit hole that makes it useless to bother.

I't snot a rabbit hole; it's questions that you're very uncomfortable answering.

You made the statement, not me. The logical inference from your statement is that you want people who either refuse vaccination or boo Trump to be
arrested.

Jeff.
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On 07 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while they're trying to have a conversation with you?

It makes him feel like he is smarter than the other person, which
probably makes him feel good.

It's not my fault that your ideology and poor choice of information sources causes you to make ignorant claims that are easily disprovable.

Jeff.
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On 07 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

No I mean people who do not even hold office, who believe in pretty far-out conspiracy theories. Those seem to be the ones that Al is worried are going to take away our rights.

They came SO close to taking over our country! ;)

Especially after Donald Trump did his part to have the National Guard available on Jan 6, but Nancy Pelosi and the Mayor of DC both declined to do theirs.

There is no record of Trump having made any such request, and neither Pelosi nor the Mayor of DC are in charge of Capitol security.

This is another right-wing lie, more right-wing propaganda.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/16/fact-check-no-trump-re quest-10000-guard-troops-jan-6/8929215002/

Jeff.
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I't snot a rabbit hole; it's questions that you're very uncomfortable answering.

You made the statement, not me. The logical inference from your statement is that you want people who either refuse vaccination or boo Trump to be arrested.

Not correct. The original message I was responding to referred to the
"idiots" who stormed the capitol. The poster went on to infer that those same idiots were somehow in charge and threatening their rights. That was from
Al to Aaron. I was pointing out to Aaron that those (same type of) idiots are also the ones who boo Republicans for admitting they have been vaxed and believe other idiotic things, and that these idiots are not in charge of anything.

At some point I did state that the idiots who actually stormed the capitol,
and who participated in the summer riots, should be arrested.

It is not my fault that you cannot follow a thread and, as a result, your
line of questions were indeed going down a rabbit hole... a very snot
rabbit hole indeed.


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PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while
they're trying to have a conversation with you?

It makes him feel like he is smarter than the other person, which probably makes him feel good.

It's not my fault that your ideology and poor choice of information sources causes you to make ignorant claims that are easily disprovable.

Sort of like your claim that I think people who boo politicians or that are
not vaxed should be arrested????


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On 08 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

You made the statement, not me. The logical inference from your statemen that you want people who either refuse vaccination or boo Trump to be arrested.

Not correct. The original message I was responding to referred to the "idiots" who stormed the capitol. The poster went on to infer that
those same idiots were somehow in charge and threatening their rights. That was from Al to Aaron. I was pointing out to Aaron that those (same type of) idiots are also the ones who boo Republicans for admitting they have been vaxed and believe other idiotic things, and that these idiots are not in charge of anything.

Then just answer the questions with a "no" and an explanation.

At some point I did state that the idiots who actually stormed the capitol, and who participated in the summer riots, should be arrested.

"At some point" being "in the same paragraph," considering that you said "the idiots" should be in as much trouble as the summer rioters/looters.

It is not my fault that you cannot follow a thread and, as a result, your line of questions were indeed going down a rabbit hole... a very snot rabbit hole indeed.

Then just answer the questions with a "no" and an explanation.

Jeff.

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On 08 Jan 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

It's not my fault that your ideology and poor choice of information sour causes you to make ignorant claims that are easily disprovable.

Sort of like your claim that I think people who boo politicians or that are not vaxed should be arrested????

I made no such claims. I asked you to clarify your statement.

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

[..]

re: the definition of the word "projection"

The definition I used, and the one that should have been obvious JT>from

the context, was the psychological term. Did you think I meant JT>astral projection or something?

I was talking about something that happened in the past, and you said I was
"projecting." Even under the psychological definition, it still doesn't make
sense. Did you learn that nifty new phrase from Joy Reid or something?

Joy Reid is not a psychologist. Mary Trump is, and has a certificate
to prove it. But not Joy Reid.

That's racist as hell. They live and work here. They put up with
Bide
They deserve to vote here.

That's exactly why they should be included in the census. They may not
get to vote, but their presence contributes to the representation that
their state receives in Congress. That's also precisely why Republicans
don't want them counted in the Census. Furthermore, I'm going to assume
that you're being facetions with this remark, as it's a complete
reversal from your previous statements.

You're conflating again! Permanent residents ARE counted by the Census Bureau.

Only those in this country.

Are you confusing them with illegals or refugees or something? You often conflate groups of people.

The Bureau of the Census counts people, regardless of what kind of
people they might be, or even where they may be from.

I don't know what facetions are, but I'm not being facetious. I know a lot of
permanent residents who are supportive of Trump and/or other Republicans. I
honestly believe that this is why Biden is intentionally leaving them behind
in Afghanistan, aside from the few bucks he'll save to make George happy.

Their visas ran out, making them permanent residents of Afghanistan.
But they can still travel to the USA, courtesy of Taliban Airlines.

The attacks on voting rights at the state level directly impact JT>the

right to vote at the national level, since states are in charge JT>of their
own voting laws. Are you sure that you passed "World Politics

101" with an A? I'm guessing "US Government 101" was not as kind to
you.

I get it that local voting laws can impact national elections, but how am I
supposed to know that Republicans in Michigan are trying to change their voting laws?

We do not have national elections in this country. So what's your
problem? Do you want to change the US Constitution? It has been done
before. 27 times. Or maybe you would prefer to ditch the whole thing?
I hear that is what Donald J. Trump would like to do ...

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while they're trying to have a conversation with you?

You are doing fine making yourself look stupid. All by yourself.
Please do not let me stop you.

--Lee

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Most of the ones I know, who are from that region, are often family-oriented and have beliefs that I would consider conservative, so you could be onto something there.

Many of my wife's family members are green card holders. The members who I've spoken politics with are all conservatives. They don't like illegals, they
live in a border state, and other members of their family have served in the military (and/or in combat.) My wife claims that her home country is safer
when the USA has a Republican president, and I believe it too.

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid while they're trying to have a conversation with you?

It makes him feel like he is smarter than the other person, which
probably makes him feel good.

I feel bad when I talk with someone and I sense that they lack intelligence. But my sympathy dwindles once I've heard too much of their crap ;)

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Many of my wife's family members are green card holders. The members who I've spoken politics with are all conservatives. They don't like illegals, they live in a border state, and other members of their family have served in the military (and/or in combat.) My wife claims that her home country is safer when the USA has a Republican president, and I believe it too.

It probably depends some on which country, for sure. Overall, she might be right.


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The Bureau of the Census counts people, regardless of what kind of
people they might be, or even where they may be from.

That's the point I was trying to prove to Jeff, but the pain of being wrong
was causing an imbalance in his equilibrium.

Their visas ran out, making them permanent residents of Afghanistan.
But they can still travel to the USA, courtesy of Taliban Airlines.

What about the 5 million+ illegals/undesirables walking in from Mexico? They don't even have visas but yet they have taxpayer-funded airfare to dozens of major cities throughout the USA.

We do not have national elections in this country. So what's your

Which country do you live in? We have national elections in my country.

before. 27 times. Or maybe you would prefer to ditch the whole thing?
I hear that is what Donald J. Trump would like to do ...

Biden already ditched the 1st & 12th amendments, and he's the president. Keep an eye on him and don't worry what Trump does. He can't hurt you anymore. I strongly advise ditching the Trump penis pics too. It's not healthy.

You are doing fine making yourself look stupid. All by yourself.
Please do not let me stop you.

How smart is it to reply to stupidity? We're both guilty.

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On 08 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

The Bureau of the Census counts people, regardless of what kind of people they might be, or even where they may be from.

That's the point I was trying to prove to Jeff, but the pain of being wrong was causing an imbalance in his equilibrium.

You have serious issues with lumping people together.

Their visas ran out, making them permanent residents of Afghanistan. But they can still travel to the USA, courtesy of Taliban Airlines.

What about the 5 million+ illegals/undesirables walking in from Mexico? They don't even have visas but yet they have taxpayer-funded airfare to dozens of major cities throughout the USA.

See? Those aren't "illegals." The vast majority of them are seeking asylum, which is legal.

As far as "undesirables..." Well, that's a personal judgement, and says a lot about the person making it. Perhaps people like you are the "undesirables."

You are doing fine making yourself look stupid. All by yourself. Please do not let me stop you.

How smart is it to reply to stupidity? We're both guilty.

There is the off chance that the stupid can be educated. But stupid is one thing, racist & ignorant is quite the other. "Undesirables," you say?

Jeff.

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On 08 Jan 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

re: the definition of the word "projection"

I was talking about something that happened in the past, and you said was
"projecting." Even under the psychological definition, it still doesn make
sense. Did you learn that nifty new phrase from Joy Reid or something

Joy Reid is not a psychologist. Mary Trump is, and has a certificate
to prove it. But not Joy Reid.

Aaron does not appear to get out much, physically or intellectually.

Jeff.

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On 08 Jan 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

PS) What do you gain from trying to make other people look stupid w they're trying to have a conversation with you?

It makes him feel like he is smarter than the other person, which probably makes him feel good.

I feel bad when I talk with someone and I sense that they lack intelligence. But my sympathy dwindles once I've heard too much of their crap ;)

Yo don't even know how your taxes are calculated. You seem to not know the difference between "illegal immigrants" and asylum-seekers. You admittedly do not monitor politics from other states. And you sense that others "lack intelligence?" Have a look in the mirror, man.

Jeff.

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military (and/or in combat.) My wife claims that her home country is saf when the USA has a Republican president, and I believe it too.

It probably depends some on which country, for sure. Overall, she might be right.

Trump met with their former president (President Varela of Panama) a few years ago, asking if there was anything that he could help with. That gesture didn't go unnoticed.

Panamanians are angry with Biden over the border issue. Apparently Joe's human chattel is being imported through the Darien Gap by Columbian criminals, en route to the USA. I've been to Darien province, but unlike the thousands of children being smuggled through there thanks to Biden, I was vaccinated for yellow fever, and I had plenty of permethrin on hand to keep mosquitos away (they never came near me!)

American taxpayers are able to accommodate thousands of children in good ol' Texas, but the Panamanian government has very little money to spare for
illegal migrants. (They might have the money, but they aint gonna spend it on illegals.)

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