Whose fault was it? Is it really President Biden's fault
that the Taliban has retaken control of Afghanistan? Although
Whose fault was it? Is it really President Biden's fault
that the Taliban has retaken control of Afghanistan? Although
Ever heard of an executive order? Or the War Powers resolution? Biden could
have deployed troops for 90 days and could have attempted to correct his mistake, but he was on vacation, maan.
Donald Trump could have chosen not to have signed a peace deal
with the Taliban, tying our military's hands from going after them.
Trump's deal with the Taliban was flawed. He made promises he couldn't keep, but so did they.
The Taliban didn't hold up their end of the deal, but Biden did. He wouldn't want to be unfair with them, would he?
Donald Trump could have chosen not to have signed a peace deal
with the Taliban, tying our military's hands from going after them.
Trump's deal with the Taliban was flawed. He made promises he couldn't keep,
but so did they.
The Taliban didn't hold up their end of the deal, but Biden did.
He wouldn't want to be unfair with them, would he?
The Taliban didn't hold up their end of the deal, but Biden did. He wouldn't want to be unfair with them, would he?
In what way did the Taliban fail to hold up their end of the deal?
They had commitments to make in the Trump-brokered peace deal. They were supposed to release 1000 Afghan security officers, they were supposed to sever ties with the Haqqani network (for example) but none of this has happened.The Taliban didn't hold up their end of the deal, but Biden did. wouldn't want to be unfair with them, would he?In what way did the Taliban fail to hold up their end of the deal?
Trump's deal with the Taliban was flawed. He made promises he couldn't
keep, but so did they.
The Taliban didn't hold up their end of the deal, but Biden did. He
wouldn't want to be unfair with them, would he?
In what way did the Taliban fail to hold up their end of the deal?
The Taliban didn't hold up their end of the deal, but Biden did. HeIn what way did the Taliban fail to hold up their end of the deal?
wouldn't want to be unfair with them, would he?
They could shoot at us, but we could not shoot back at them.
That was the deal Trump made with the Taliban.
He wouldn't want to be unfair with them, would he?
Biden gave them exactly what they deserve - the freedom to
choose the kind of government they have always wanted.
There wasn't much inventive for the Taliban to release Afghan security forces when they knew that would make it more difficult to conquer the country. There's not much point in honoring promises made to the USA when there's a Democrat in the WH because they tend to ignore everything overseas unless there's a personal gain to be made.
He wouldn't want to be unfair with them, would he?
Biden gave them exactly what they deserve - the freedom to
choose the kind of government they have always wanted.
You're trying to re-write history but that's a big task.
The Taliban were never elected.
They harbored Al-Quaida during the 9/11 attacks, and that bothers warm-blooded Americans.
But the left wants people to turn their backs against what's right.
The spirits of the 9/11 victims are probably trying to talk to you but you're not listening.
If Trump were our president, he would not have allowed this to happen.
Like most Republicans, Trump was pro-military,
unlike Democrats who just want our military's money.
They were supposed to let US forces leave without being attacked and were supposed to let al-Qaeda know that they weren't welcome in Afghanistan. That's it. No enforcement mechanisms, no real compliance metrics, no consequences. That was Trump's deal.
They were supposed to let US forces leave without being attacked and supposed to let al-Qaeda know that they weren't welcome in Afghanista That's it. No enforcement mechanisms, no real compliance metrics, no consequences. That was Trump's deal.Biden had the power to prevent all this, not Trump. Trump has no power.
He had power a year ago, so the guy who had power a year ago simply
isn't to blame for something that happened in 1 day just 1 week ago.
Trump made an agreement with the Taliban? Well, Biden doesn't have to
just suck it up. He can break deals with the Taliban. Nobody on "the international stage" cares about how well we suck the asses of the
Taliban They harbored the terrorist network that carried out the 9/11 attacks, so they might not get friendly customer service from us unless
we have a Democrat in the white house.
choose the kind of government they have always wanted.
You're trying to re-write history but that's a big task.
The Taliban never left Afghanistan. They were in Afghanistan
before we got there, while we were there, and will remain there
after we have left.
In that the guy who was in power a year ago set the stage for what happened 1 week ago, yes, he is to blame. For example, why is the Kabul airport the only one available to fly people out? Because Trump had the military abandon the other ones.
In that the guy who was in power a year ago set the stage for what happened 1 week ago, yes, he is to blame. For example, why is the Kab airport the only one available to fly people out? Because Trump had t military abandon the other ones.If someone sets the stage for something terrible, the president should
fix it.
Trump didn't blame Bill Clinton for the pandemic, even though Clinton
set the stage for it.
There wasn't much inventive for the Taliban to release Afghan security
forces
when they knew that would make it more difficult to conquer the country.
There's not much point in honoring promises made to the USA when there's a
Democrat in the WH because they tend to ignore everything overseas unless
there's a personal gain to be made.
Or an aspirin factory that needs bombing.
They were supposed to let US forces leave without being attacked andwere
supposed to let al-Qaeda know that they weren't welcome inAfghanistan.
That's it. No enforcement mechanisms, no real compliance metrics, no
consequences. That was Trump's deal.
Biden had the power to prevent all this, not Trump.
Trump has no power.
He had power a year ago,
so the guy who had power a year ago simply isn't to blame
for something that happened in 1 day just 1 week ago.
Trump made an agreement with the Taliban?
Well, Biden doesn't have to just suck it up.
He can break deals with the Taliban.
Nobody on "the international stage" cares about how well we suck the asses of the Taliban
They harbored the terrorist network that carried out the 9/11 attacks,
so they might not get friendly customer service from us unless we have a Democrat in the white house.
Trump did things that were unfixable. Trump may have felt that he could break any treaty he didn't like, but do that enough and people won't be willing to make treaties with you anymore.
Trump did things that were unfixable. Trump may have felt that he could any treaty he didn't like, but do that enough and people won't be willin make treaties with you anymore.Except this wasn't one of those things. The Biden administration knew they needed to come up with a plan and supposedly came up with a "good" plan back in April. Kamala Harris was interviewed about it on CNN's "State of the Union" back on April 25 and said it was a good, well
thought out plan.
Problem was it was not a good plan after all. The fact that he was putting the feelings of the Afghan government over the safety of
American civilians should show most people that much. Joe has admited that when he said they didn't want to start taking Americans out because they didn't want the Afghan government to feel like we didn't have confidence in them.
That is all fine and dandy so long as things are going well. Thing is, once you realize things are not going well, how long do you wait? Apparently, the answer is you wait three months, until at least mid-August, because, one or two months into the "not going well" period, your diplomats to Afghanistan told you that you might have until the end of the month.
But he didn't have that long.
choose the kind of government they have always wanted.
You're trying to re-write history but that's a big task.
The Taliban never left Afghanistan. They were in Afghanistan
before we got there, while we were there, and will remain there
after we have left.
They never asked for the Taliban.
They are a dictatorship who intend to enforce Sharia Law. Afghan mothers would rather toss their babies over a barbed wire fence than force them to grow up with such an oppressive government.
Trump didn't blame Bill Clinton for the pandemic, even though Clinton set the stage for it.
In what way, pray tell?
He can break deals with the Taliban.
Biden could have chosen to have our troops to remain in Afghanistan another decade. But he chose not to do that. He is keeping his
word to the American people by removing all our troops ASAP, as
well as all other Americans (and Afghans who helped us) who are
stuck in that hellhole of a fucked up place.
They harbored the terrorist network that carried out the 9/11 attacks
The Taliban offered to put them on trial, at our request.
GWB refused their offer, and chose to invade their country
based on false pretenses.
The best friend they ever had was that stupid orange man in a
cheap red hat.
Bill Clinton gave China permanent normal trade relations, Trump revoked those rights with tariffs, and China retaliated with a virus that would make up for the difference.Trump didn't blame Bill Clinton for the pandemic, even though Cl set the stage for it.In what way, pray tell?
Biden could have chosen to have our troops to remain in Afghanistan another decade. But he chose not to do that. He is keeping hisKeeping his word to the American people is more important than stability in Afghanistan? He's broken promises before - there comes a time when
word to the American people by removing all our troops ASAP, as
well as all other Americans (and Afghans who helped us) who are
stuck in that hellhole of a fucked up place.
it's appropriate to do so.
The best friend they ever had was that stupid orange man in aI think they appreciate Joe a lot more.
cheap red hat.
Americans aren't having trouble getting out. The Taliban have not fired a
Despite what you might think of them, that is what the people of Afghanistan want. Might not make sense to you. Might not make sense
to me. Might not make sense to anybody else outside of Afghanistan.
But it is their country. Their country to do with what they want.
It is not our country. We had no business being there in the first
place. Makes no difference what you or me or a dog named Boo thinks
What would you do if China invaded this country, putting soldiers everywhere, and told us what to do and how to run our lives? You
That is all fine and dandy so long as things are going well. Thing is, once you realize things are not going well, how long do you wait? Apparently, the answer is you wait three months, until at least mid-August, because, one or two months into the "not going well" period, your diplomats to Afghanistan told you that you might have until the end of the month.
Was it a big secret known only to US intelligence that things were "not going well?"
On 20 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
Trump did things that were unfixable. Trump may have felt that he couldExcept this wasn't one of those things. The Biden administration knew they needed to come up with a plan and supposedly came up with a "good" plan back in April. Kamala Harris was interviewed about it on CNN's "State of the Union" back on April 25 and said it was a good, well thought out plan.
any treaty he didn't like, but do that enough and people won't be willi
make treaties with you anymore.
Americans aren't having trouble getting out.
The Taliban have not fired a single shot at the US military.
But didn't pulling out mean leaving the Afghans to their own devices, win or lose?
I see. And that's why it's so important, despite zero evidence, to blame China for COVID. Well, isn't that just par for the course.
Americans aren't having trouble getting out. The Taliban have not fir2 hours ago Biden said "Flights out of Afghanistan will resume now, and I pledge to get all Americans out."
But the Taliban took over a week ago. Does that sound safe to you?
There's such a thing as doing things in private, without announcing it
to the Taliban first.
No. I posted the timeline, and have posted other articles indicatingThat is all fine and dandy so long as things are going well. Thing once you realize things are not going well, how long do you wait? Apparently, the answer is you wait three months, until at least mid-August, because, one or two months into the "not going well" pe your diplomats to Afghanistan told you that you might have until th of the month.Was it a big secret known only to US intelligence that things were "not well?"
that word was being passed around and ignored. Not my fault you choose
to ignore that also... you'd make a good addition to Biden's inner
circle.
Americans aren't having trouble getting out.Only because British and other non-American forces are rescuing them.
The Taliban have not fired a single shot at the US military.The US military is only at the airport and is not engaging with the Taliban at all. British, and other non-American, forces are the ones venturing outside of the airport to find people. They are the ones risking being shot at.
But didn't pulling out mean leaving the Afghans to their own devices, wi lose?Yes, but it shouldn't have meant leaving Americans scattered all over the country and left to their own devices.
I also find it ironic that Afghans (and Americans) should be left to
their own devices in Afghanistan, but Central Americans, per your
previous post, are our responsibility.
I see. And that's why it's so important, despite zero evidence, to blame China for COVID. Well, isn't that just par for the course.Are you saying there is no evidence that it originated there, which is false, or that there is no evidence that it may have escaped a lab
there, which is also (now) false?
So far, I have not heard any "mainstream" evidence that they released it on purpose.
Bill Clinton gave China permanent normal trade relations, Trump revok those rights with tariffs, and China retaliated with a virus that wou make up for the difference.
I see. And that's why it's so important, despite zero evidence, to blame China for COVID. Well, isn't that just par for the course.
It happened on their property, but the USA is also to blame for the funding of biological weapons. The USA and China should probably beBill Clinton gave China permanent normal trade relations, Trump those rights with tariffs, and China retaliated with a virus tha make up for the difference.I see. And that's why it's so important, despite zero evidence, to bl China for COVID. Well, isn't that just par for the course.
sued. Or do you want to sue the bats from the wet market?
The Taliban have not fired a single shot at any Americans.
And once this is over, you'll be back to complaining about all of the Afghanis requesting asylum here.
The idea that Afghani refugees are our responsibility but Central
American refugees aren't is equally ironic. Yes, the US spent decades trying to change the government in Afghanistan and is partially responsible for their predicament, but the US also spent decades
propping up right-wing dictatorships in Central America.
The Taliban have not fired a single shot at any Americans.Joe's responsible for the deaths of at least a handful of Afghanis who
are being murdered for colluding with the USA and for making lousy food for the Taliban.
And once this is over, you'll be back to complaining about all of the Afghanis requesting asylum here.I'd be happy to have the Afghanis here for asylum. We owe it to them for Joe's demented corruption. You should tell him "Joe, I voted for you, so please stop making my people swim through the Rio Grande to get here."
But you don't give a crap about them because you're snorkeling excursion is already done. You've already wiped your back dry, so whatever happens to those babies in purses floating downstream is not your problem.
The idea that Afghani refugees are our responsibility but Central American refugees aren't is equally ironic. Yes, the US spent decades trying to change the government in Afghanistan and is partially responsible for their predicament, but the US also spent decades propping up right-wing dictatorships in Central America.You're a supporter of the party that does that stuff in central america the most, and you turn your back on other Honduranos when you vote Democrat.
It happened on their property, but the USA is also to blame for the funding of biological weapons. The USA and China should probably be sued. Or do you want to sue the bats from the wet market?
And this is based on what evidence..?
Simply happening on their property is hardly reason for blame.
It's easy to find out that the USA is funding the WHO. Trump cancelledIt happened on their property, but the USA is also to blame for funding of biological weapons. The USA and China should probably sued. Or do you want to sue the bats from the wet market?And this is based on what evidence..?
our renewal, but Biden cancelled the cancellation. We're gonna keep on investing our tax dollars into bat virii for the forseeable future, and sure, more bats will escape, and more virii will be released on the
world. Get your arm ready for more vaccines.
Simply happening on their property is hardly reason for blame.They're only partly to blame. The people who pull Biden's strings are
also to blame. Blaming people won't protect us from another outbreak. We need a Republican president to stop this crazy bat research.
Then why weren't people preparing on their own to leave?
Have they been shot at? Has any American been shot at? Securing the airport to ensure that Americans can safely enter, be processed, and be flown out seems like a pretty important job to me.
I see. And that's why it's so important, despite zero evidence, to blamAre you saying there is no evidence that it originated there, which is false, or that there is no evidence that it may have escaped a lab there, which is also (now) false?
China for COVID. Well, isn't that just par for the course.
It did originate there, but does a virus originating within a country's borders really justify blaming them for its origination?
It did originate there, but does a virus originating within a country's borders really justify blaming them for its origination?Even if it didn't escape from a lab, if you talking about a country
where not one but two previous virus outbreaks were traced back to non-hygenic storage, and processing, of live animals, and the government continues to allow such practices, ultimately causing a pandemic, that answer should be "yes" in the eyes of anyone with any sense.
We're not responsible for the actions of the Taliban.
the most, and you turn your back on other Honduranos when you vote Democrat.
Now I'm Honduran? Interesting.
Remember Iran-Contra? That was not the Democrats. That was 100% Republicans interfering in both Central America and the Middle East. Illegally, I might add.
It's easy to find out that the USA is funding the WHO. Trump cancelle our renewal, but Biden cancelled the cancellation. We're gonna keep o investing our tax dollars into bat virii for the forseeable future, a sure, more bats will escape, and more virii will be released on the world. Get your arm ready for more vaccines.
So you're claiming that the WHO is developing biological weapons? There
is no evidence that COVID-19 escaped from a lab.
We're not responsible for the actions of the Taliban.We gave them the weapons that they're using to kill civilians. Joe Biden is responsible for that, not you and me.
You said your parents were illegals from Honduras, so I have sympathythe most, and you turn your back on other Honduranos when you vo Democrat.Now I'm Honduran? Interesting.
for what Obama & Hillary did to your country. If they hadn't deposed the democratically-elected Honduran president, then you probably wouldn't
have had to paddle here in a purse.
Remember Iran-Contra? That was not the Democrats. That was 100% Republicans interfering in both Central America and the Middle East. Illegally, I might add.Both parties do it. Republicans also invaded Panama just to capture 1 little guy. But Panamenos aren't in the caravans; their country is still under democratic control, thanks to the Republicans who, yea, murdered a bunch of innocent people in their quest to capture Noriega.
So maybe you lied about being the son of Honduran illegals, but still, let's not turn our backs on them by voting Democrat.
I guess this is because we watch different news channels. What the left doesn't want their followers to know is that the W.H.O. fundedIt's easy to find out that the USA is funding the WHO. Trump can our renewal, but Biden cancelled the cancellation. We're gonna k investing our tax dollars into bat virii for the forseeable futu sure, more bats will escape, and more virii will be released on world. Get your arm ready for more vaccines.So you're claiming that the WHO is developing biological weapons? The is no evidence that COVID-19 escaped from a lab.
coronavirus research at Wuhan University. Another fact is that since the outbreak, the lab was gutted. Did someone feel nervous about something?
democratically-elected Honduran president, then you probably wouldn't have had to paddle here in a purse.
When did I say that?
Do both sides really do it, though? I don't think so.
A few months ago. Maybe you were using a metaphor and I didn't realizedemocratically-elected Honduran president, then you probably wou have had to paddle here in a purse.When did I say that?
it. Either way, rest assured that I'm not a snitch.
We were talking about illegals and you said that your parents were illegals, then I said that my ancestors were legal migrants who entered through Elis Island.
Do both sides really do it, though? I don't think so.Both sides have participated in overthrowing governments in central america, or on seizing opportunities in the aftermath. The media won't
let you see it that way though.
Even if it didn't escape from a lab, if you talking about a country where not one but two previous virus outbreaks were traced back to non-hygenic storage, and processing, of live animals, and the government continues to allow such practices, ultimately causing a pandemic, that answer should be "yes" in the eyes of anyone with any sense.
And how many lettuce recalls has the US had due to salmonella outbreaks? We hardly have room to talk.
So you're claiming that the WHO is developing biological weapons? There is no evidence that COVID-19 escaped from a lab.
So maybe you lied about being the son of Honduran illegals...
Let's circle back on this when there is a salmonella pandemic.Even if it didn't escape from a lab, if you talking about a country where not one but two previous virus outbreaks were traced back to non-hygenic storage, and processing, of live animals, and the gover continues to allow such practices, ultimately causing a pandemic, t answer should be "yes" in the eyes of anyone with any sense.And how many lettuce recalls has the US had due to salmonella outbreaks? hardly have room to talk.
So you're claiming that the WHO is developing biological weapons? There evidence that COVID-19 escaped from a lab.There *is* evidence (if you believe members of the WHO) that China pressured the WHO to drop the lab-leak line of inquiry, and at least twice.
So maybe you lied about being the son of Honduran illegals...Jeff might have said that, not sure, but I think you might be confusing him with someone else who posted off and on here for a few months but has disappeared (and not just from this echo).
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
Both sides have participated in overthrowing governments in central america, or on seizing opportunities in the aftermath. The media won't
let you see it that way though.
On 23 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
So maybe you lied about being the son of Honduran illegals...Jeff might have said that, not sure, but I think you might be confusing >MP> him with someone else who posted off and on here for a few months but has >MP> disappeared (and not just from this echo).
Thanks. I guess I wasn't aware of this other person's nationality.
I am not certain that the person I am thinking of ever said his father,Thanks. I guess I wasn't aware of this other person's nationality.So maybe you lied about being the son of Honduran illegals...Jeff might have said that, not sure, but I think you might be confusi >MP> him with someone else who posted off and on here for a few months but >MP> disappeared (and not just from this echo).
or grandfather, was an "illegal" immigrant, just that he came here from overseas. I cannot even say for sure that the relative was from Central or South America.
I do suspect that Aaron is confusing you with him, though. He started participating here at about the same time and expressed similar beliefs
to yours. I think his name was Brian Klauss?
So you're saying that the WHO was about to discover evidence of a biological weapon designed by China? But Aaron said that the WHO was developing the biological weapons. You guys can't even get your stories straight.
Jeff might have said that, not sure, but I think you might be confusi him with someone else who posted off and on here for a few months but disappeared (and not just from this echo).
Thanks. I guess I wasn't aware of this other person's nationality.
So you're saying that the WHO was about to discover evidence of a biological weapon designed by China? But Aaron said that the WHO was developing the biological weapons. You guys can't even get your stori straight.You're talking to 2 different people; he's blaming the China & I'm
blaming the WHO. We don't have a story to get straight, we're just being straight with you.
I'm a conservative, so they all look alike to me. <cackle cackle>Jeff might have said that, not sure, but I think you might be co him with someone else who posted off and on here for a few month disappeared (and not just from this echo).Thanks. I guess I wasn't aware of this other person's nationality.
And how many lettuce recalls has the US had due to salmonella outbreaks? hardly have room to talk.Let's circle back on this when there is a salmonella pandemic.
Even if it didn't escape from a lab, if you talking about a country where not one but two previous virus outbreaks were traced back to non-hygenic storage, and processing, of live animals, and the gover continues to allow such practices, ultimately causing a pandemic, t answer should be "yes" in the eyes of anyone with any sense.
We've see the Republicans mess things up. We've seen the Democrats mess things up. Both for the same reason: They believed that they were far more intelligent than they actually are.
to yours. I think his name was Brian Klauss?
I vaguely remember that name, but don't specifically recall any of his posts or anything about his nationality. I'm glad you do, though,
because I couldn't figure out where Aaron pulled that from.
I do suspect that Aaron is confusing you with him, though. He started participating here at about the same time and expressed similar beliefs to yours. I think his name was Brian Klauss?
I vaguely remember that name, but don't specifically recall any of his posts or anything about his nationality. I'm glad you do, though, because I couldn't figure out where Aaron pulled that from.
And how many lettuce recalls has the US had due to salmonella outbreaksLet's circle back on this when there is a salmonella pandemic.
hardly have room to talk.
Well, that didn't take long, did it? If salmonella was as contagious as COVID-19, we'd be in real trouble.
https://www.consumerreports.org/food-recalls/national-salmonella-outbreaks-lin
ed-to-italian-style-meats-a5863334999/
Before you decide that the US is so much more hygienic than China, it might be helpful to remember about 5 years ago when Republicans decided that Americans have the God-given right to drink raw (non-Pasteurized) milk.
https://modernfarmer.com/2016/03/west-virginia-lawmakers-raw-milk-sick/
So you're saying that the WHO was about to discover evidence of a biological weapon designed by China? But Aaron said that the WHO wasYou're talking to 2 different people; he's blaming the China & I'm blaming the WHO. We don't have a story to get straight, we're just being straight with you.
developing the biological weapons. You guys can't even get your stor
straight.
One of you is wrong; which is it?
Yea I think Brian Klauss was the Honduran guy. Sorry Jeff! You appeared around the time that he disappeared and you sorta took his place as the flamboyant defender of all things liberal.
OK, so let's circle back again when we are on an italian style meats lockdown? :DWell, that didn't take long, did it? If salmonella was as contagious as COVID-19, we'd be in real trouble.And how many lettuce recalls has the US had due to salmonella outbreaks
hardly have room to talk.
Before you decide that the US is so much more hygienic than China, it mi be helpful to remember about 5 years ago when Republicans decided that Americans have the God-given right to drink raw (non-Pasteurized) milk.There is a difference between things that can harm *you* if you decide to do them, vs. things that can harm *others* if you do it.
If I decide to drink raw milk and get sick, it is my fault, but I won't make you sick unless you are forced to drink it, too, or if it somehow
can result in a virus jumping species.
In the case of raw cows' milk, I suppose that cannot be rulled out.
Aaron and who is the other person?One of you is wrong; which is it?So you're saying that the WHO was about to discover evidence o biological weapon designed by China? But Aaron said that the W wasYou're talking to 2 different people; he's blaming the China & I'm blaming the WHO. We don't have a story to get straight, we're just straight with you.
developing the biological weapons. You guys can't even get you stor
straight.
Before you decide that the US is so much more hygienic than China, it mi be helpful to remember about 5 years ago when Republicans decided that Americans have the God-given right to drink raw (non-Pasteurized) milk.There is a difference between things that can harm *you* if you decide to do them, vs. things that can harm *others* if you do it.
If I decide to drink raw milk and get sick, it is my fault, but I won't make you sick unless you are forced to drink it, too, or if it somehow
can result in a virus jumping species.
I've never claimed to be Honduran, in a metaphor or otherwise. I did say that I've been to Central America several times without encountering racism, which apparently gave you the idea that "they're my people."
I've never claimed to be Honduran, in a metaphor or otherwise. I did that I've been to Central America several times without encountering racism, which apparently gave you the idea that "they're my people."So this whole time I thought you were some smug racist Honduran pissed about Obama & Hillary's monkey business. No offense. Some Hondurans are probably cool. I've been to central america plenty of times too and many people there are totally my people.
Racism is rampant in the southwestern USA, so I figured you were one of those guys. I honestly believe that the media incubates racism.
How could you be a leftie and not either
a) feel like a victim of racism or
b) feel guilty for being privileged or
c) feel like hating on one or more races?
Democrats are not offering Americans much. Do you have friends who want
to come over illegally? (Don't answer that.) Do you want time to skip
the country after committing crimes? Do you want jails closed because they're a waste of money? Are you gay & want to get married?
The Democrats don't do anything more than stir peoples emotions and try
to make their followers feel superior to conservatives. The
conversations that we have here will never be peaceful until you learn
to let go of the negativity and think about co-existing with conservatives. It's half the country! (More than half! jk!)
Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
George HW had civilian blood on his hands from the Panama invasion, and now Joe's covered in it with all the murders taking place in
Afghanistan. I wonder if George HW ever felt guilty for being a 3rd
degree murderer of civilians? We'll never know. But Joe hasn't
apologized for all the people he's killed with his negligence either.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
Yea I think Brian Klauss was the Honduran guy. Sorry Jeff! You appeared around the time that he disappeared and you sorta took his place as the flamboyant defender of all things liberal.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-I still believe that all these guys (Brian, Lee, Jeff, Al, etc.) are actually the same person. When people stop listening to one of them, he switches his handle and posts as someone else.
Yea I think Brian Klauss was the Honduran guy. Sorry Jeff! You appear around the time that he disappeared and you sorta took his place as t flamboyant defender of all things liberal.
That line is pretty hazy when it comes to food contamination. It's pure luck whether the food contains something that harms only the consumer or contains something that may cause the consumer to harm others as well.
You are. You said it was likely that the virus escaped a Chinese lab because the Chinese pressured the WHO to end their investigation into a possibly accidental release, while Aaron is saying that the WHO was in cahoots with China to release it from the lab intentionally.
Humans can contract the parasite, and it can be damaging to one's health if it gets bad enough, but fortunately it does not compel humans to seek out "suicide by cat."
Man, if something like that jumped species in a way that allowed it to control human behavior, that would be really bad news.
That line is pretty hazy when it comes to food contamination. It's pure whether the food contains something that harms only the consumer or cont something that may cause the consumer to harm others as well.So I could drink unpasteurized cow milk, injesting cow steroids, and go
on a roid-rage induced crime spree?
Humans can contract the parasite, and it can be damaging to one's health it gets bad enough, but fortunately it does not compel humans to seek ou "suicide by cat."You don't suppose that is where "crazy cat ladies" come from, do you? :O
Man, if something like that jumped species in a way that allowed it to control human behavior, that would be really bad news.
You're talking to 2 different people; he's blaming the China & I'm blaming the WHO. We don't have a story to get straight, we're just be straight with you.
One of you is wrong; which is it?
Before you decide that the US is so much more hygienic than China, it might be helpful to remember about 5 years ago when Republicans decided that Americans have the God-given right to drink raw (non-Pasteurized) milk.
We don't have a George Soros to ask that question to.You're talking to 2 different people; he's blaming the China & I blaming the WHO. We don't have a story to get straight, we're ju straight with you.One of you is wrong; which is it?
Before you decide that the US is so much more hygienic than China, it might be helpful to remember about 5 years ago when Republicans decid that Americans have the God-given right to drink raw (non-Pasteurized milk.Some people do gross stuff. It's not illegal. The amount of lead in some of their products is deplorable.
But I do know that Lefties will never admit their failures. Just listen to Psaki tell everyone what a success Afghnistan's been. So I'm not holding my breath for any apology from Joe.
I still believe that all these guys (Brian, Lee, Jeff, Al, etc.) are actually the same person. When people stop listening to one of them, he switches his handle and posts as someone else.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Joe likes to attend funerals which he's not invited to. Let's see if he tries to show his cowardly face at the funerals of these heroes.
Humans can contract the parasite, and it can be damaging to one's health >MP> > it gets bad enough, but fortunately it does not compel humans to seek ou >MP> > "suicide by cat."You don't suppose that is where "crazy cat ladies" come from, do you? :O
Man, if something like that jumped species in a way that allowed it to >MP> > control human behavior, that would be really bad news.
Oh, man... That makes entirely too much sense.
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On 26 Aug 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
Or get really horny, depending on the steroids/hormones. You could also grow breasts, for that matter.That line is pretty hazy when it comes to food contamination. It's pureSo I could drink unpasteurized cow milk, injesting cow steroids, and go on a roid-rage induced crime spree?
whether the food contains something that harms only the consumer or con
something that may cause the consumer to harm others as well.
Before you decide that the US is so much more hygienic than China, iSome people do gross stuff. It's not illegal. The amount of lead in some of their products is deplorable.
might be helpful to remember about 5 years ago when Republicans deci
that Americans have the God-given right to drink raw (non-Pasteurize
milk.
So why blame China for their "wet markets?"
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
Keeping these vastly different animal species couped up in the same
area allowed the virus to mutate and find a suitable host, likely going from bat to pertigan (sp?)
I point this out because I think it is ironic that we point fingers at Americans who supposedly "don't believe science" and won't get shots
or, worse, want to try some equally unscientific home remedy, but the
same finger pointers get touchy when someone points out what supposedly started the virus because it is disrespectful to a "proud and ancient culture."
Well, for one, if you don't buy into the "released accidentally/intentionally from a virus lab" theory, then the more-accepted theory has been that COVID originated from a wet marketSo why blame China for their "wet markets?"Before you decide that the US is so much more hygienic than Ch iSome people do gross stuff. It's not illegal. The amount of lead in of their products is deplorable.
might be helpful to remember about 5 years ago when Republican deci
that Americans have the God-given right to drink raw (non-Pasteurize
milk.
when live, wild animals, who don't normally have contact with one
another came into contact with one another, allowing the virus to jump multiple species.
China had reason to suspect that wet markets might have lead to the previous SARS outbreak. They closed them, then opened them again when some influential Chinese got upset over the loss of their source of unscientific home remedies... i.e. their version of "horse paste." We need to be sure that they don't reopen such places and cause yet another pandemic.
It has dawned on me that we are technically talking two different things here. The pandemic supposedly didn't start because someone ate tainted meat. It started because multiple types of live animals, both in
species and domestic vs. wild, were being kept together in unsanitary conditions. That includes species of animals who normally have NO
contact with each other in the wild, due to geographic and other differences.
Keeping these vastly different animal species couped up in the same area allowed the virus to mutate and find a suitable host, likely going from bat to pertigan (sp?) which, in turn, allowed it to jump to humans that came in contact with the infected animals.
Something else about those wet markets is that the clientele is not only those who might be looking for their everyday food, but are also shopped at by the affluent who believe that eating a freshly-harvested exotic animal spleen or liver will make them smarter, cure their impotence,
etc. That is supposedly what got those wet markets open again after the previous SARS outbreak... influential people who didn't want to lose
their easy source of fresh, unscientifically-supported home remedies.
I point this out because I think it is ironic that we point fingers at Americans who supposedly "don't believe science" and won't get shots or, worse, want to try some equally unscientific home remedy, but the same finger pointers get touchy when someone points out what supposedly
started the virus because it is disrespectful to a "proud and ancient culture."
IMHO, there is very little difference between wanting to use/injest horse paste to fight COVID and wanting to injest a freshly harvested bear pancreas in order to improve your sex life. Both of them sound pretty dumb, and both of them are ignoring scientific proof (or lack thereof).
Keeping these vastly different animal species couped up in the same
area allowed the virus to mutate and find a suitable host, likely going from bat to pertigan (sp?)
Pangolin, supposedly.
I point this out because I think it is ironic that we point fingers at Americans who supposedly "don't believe science" and won't get shots
or, worse, want to try some equally unscientific home remedy, but the same finger pointers get touchy when someone points out what supposedly started the virus because it is disrespectful to a "proud and ancient culture."
What! You want a Leftie to be consistent and non-hypocritical? Not possible.
So why blame China for their "wet markets?"Well, for one, if you don't buy into the "released accidentally/intentionally from a virus lab" theory, then the more-accepted theory has been that COVID originated from a wet market when live, wild animals, who don't normally have contact with one another came into contact with one another, allowing the virus to jump multiple species.
How many species does it take?
China had reason to suspect that wet markets might have lead to the previous SARS outbreak. They closed them, then opened them again when some influential Chinese got upset over the loss of their source of unscientific home remedies... i.e. their version of "horse paste." We need to be sure that they don't reopen such places and cause yet another pandemic.
The US has its own share of "home remedies."
How many jmps are necessary to make the irus a threat to humans?
Mike Powell wrote to RON LAUZON <=-
Pangolin, supposedly.
Yes, thanks. I always misspell, and mispronounce, that one. I'd never heard of it until all this started.
What! You want a Leftie to be consistent and non-hypocritical? Not possible.
Well, I would like for them to acknowledge that they are just as likely
to ignore science, or lack thereof, when it does not suit their
narrative as non-left-leaning people are.
How many species does it take?In this case, they thought it took three (bats, pangolin, human) but, IIRC, some other past jumps have been more direct.
The US has its own share of "home remedies."If the US has areas that harbor wet markets, where multiple species of live, domesticated and wild, native and non, animals are being kept, we need to close them down also. I am not aware of that happening here.
How many jmps are necessary to make the irus a threat to humans?Some jump directly. This one is believed to have jumped twice. Species jumping is known to science. Why should it matter how many jumps it takes?
Pangolin, supposedly.
Yes, thanks. I always misspell, and mispronounce, that one. I'd never heard of it until all this started.
Neither did I. Strange how the virus didn't originate from a lab, but, rather
through an animal that most people never heard of before.
What! You want a Leftie to be consistent and non-hypocritical? Not possible.
Well, I would like for them to acknowledge that they are just as likely to ignore science, or lack thereof, when it does not suit their narrative as non-left-leaning people are.
That would be tantamount to them admitting they are wrong and Lefties will never do that.
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