Misinformation from the Right?
You have eyes and yet you can not see.

Is that so? How did Mike Lindell's "proof" of election fraud turn out?

Mike Lindell is not a good source of news/facts about anything other than
his pillows and his company.

2. Afghanistan totally screwed up, Trump was right.
The U.S. leaving created a vacuum and the Taliban are in control.
Left beyond Americans, and other people who helped us.
Abandoned Billions of dollars of Military equipment paid for by American Tax payer dollars.

Trump initiated the withdrawal and negotiated its terms with the Taliban. The US did not abandon the military equipment; we gave it to Afghan security forces who subsequently surrendered themselves and said equipment to the Taliban. You are grossly misinformed.

But you don't deny that he left Americans behind, many who are apparently
of Afghani descent, who were trying to get out?


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The Afghan security forces were not killed by the Taliban; they surrendered. Kabul fell without a single shot being fired.

After a lot of fighting, and death, outside of Kabul. By the time it came
down to Kabul, they knew they were defeated. Most of the rest of the
country had collapsed by that time. The battle didn't start in Kabul,
probably because US forces were there. Claiming they surrendered without a shot being fired, or without any ASF being killed, is incredibly misleading
and disrespectful to those who did fight and die.

longer you want to wait? Who is pulling the strings, cutting off Biden's mic when he goes off script,

As far as the mic, accidents happened. I'm sure that those responsible have faced consequences for their mistake, although I'm pretty sure it was not the expletive-laden torrent of abuse that Trump would have hurled at them if it were he that had been cut off.

It has happened multiple times now. If those responsible face consequences every time, they must not have a very skilled pool of employees to choose
from.

If it's happened several times, why was it such a big deal this time? Why is this the first time that there are conspiracy theories about who is "pulling his strings?" History does not back uup your claim.

IIRC, it was pointed out the first time, and has been every time since. I
have seen video of at least three different times it has happened. Once
when he started to take questions, once when he started asking questions (you've mentioned this one), and a third time where he appeared to continue speaking after his prepared statement was completed.


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Why wasn't Trump reinstated by a 9-0 vote of the Supreme Court after he released this "evidence?"

I thought you said before that he never got around to releasing it because
of some tech-snafu, or conspiracy, against him?

Either way, he is not someone I would be looking to for facts that are not about pillows or his company.


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On 17 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Misinformation from the Right?
You have eyes and yet you can not see.

Is that so? How did Mike Lindell's "proof" of election fraud turn out?

Mike Lindell is not a good source of news/facts about anything other than his pillows and his company.

My point exactly. But Gregory sure bought into Lindell's election fraud misinformation.

2. Afghanistan totally screwed up, Trump was right.
The U.S. leaving created a vacuum and the Taliban are in control. Left beyond Americans, and other people who helped us.
Abandoned Billions of dollars of Military equipment paid for by Ame Tax payer dollars.

Trump initiated the withdrawal and negotiated its terms with the Taliban US did not abandon the military equipment; we gave it to Afghan security forces who subsequently surrendered themselves and said equipment to the Taliban. You are grossly misinformed.

But you don't deny that he left Americans behind, many who are apparently of Afghani descent, who were trying to get out?

The question was about military equipment. I agree that some Americans were unable, or unwilling, to evacuate.

Jeff.

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On 17 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

The Afghan security forces were not killed by the Taliban; they surrende Kabul fell without a single shot being fired.

After a lot of fighting, and death, outside of Kabul. By the time it
came down to Kabul, they knew they were defeated. Most of the rest of
the country had collapsed by that time. The battle didn't start in
Kabul, probably because US forces were there. Claiming they surrendered without a shot being fired, or without any ASF being killed, is
incredibly misleading and disrespectful to those who did fight and die.

I did not claim that there were no deaths. Gregory's claim was that US
military equipment was not surrendered to the Taliban by Afghan security
forces because "dead men don't surrender." My statement was proof that not everyone had died, not that no one had died.

Context is important.

longer you want to wait? Who is pulling the strings, cutting off Bi mic when he goes off script,

As far as the mic, accidents happened. I'm sure that those responsible h faced consequences for their mistake, although I'm pretty sure it was no expletive-laden torrent of abuse that Trump would have hurled at them if were he that had been cut off.

It has happened multiple times now. If those responsible face consequences every time, they must not have a very skilled pool of employees to choose from.

It turns out that it was not an accident, nor was it an attempt to silence Biden. The press event ended with the statement of the last official and the press was ushered out so that Biden's scheduled briefing with the fire officials could proceed. Biden's question to the last official to speak was
not planned, but there was no reason he couldn't ask a question. However, the press's involvement ended with the last word of the last speaker's speech,
and the press was escorted out.

If it's happened several times, why was it such a big deal this time? Wh this the first time that there are conspiracy theories about who is "pul his strings?" History does not back uup your claim.

IIRC, it was pointed out the first time, and has been every time since.
I have seen video of at least three different times it has happened.
Once when he started to take questions, once when he started asking questions (you've mentioned this one), and a third time where he
appeared to continue speaking after his prepared statement was completed.

In looking up the facts of this situation, I'm aware of one other time that
it has happened, under similar circumstances.

Jeff.

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On 17 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Why wasn't Trump reinstated by a 9-0 vote of the Supreme Court after he released this "evidence?"

I thought you said before that he never got around to releasing it
because of some tech-snafu, or conspiracy, against him?

He never showed any of the promised evidence, and so the associated outcome
of Trump being re=instated by the Supreme Court did not occur.

However, one of Lindell's misinformation films -- I believe it was the three-hour propaganda flick titled "Absolute Proof" -- focused on his belief that his evidence was so strong that it would cause the Supreme Court to unanimously vote to re-instate Trump.

While we're at it, I'm also fully aware that there is no provision in the Constitution for the Supreme Court to replace a sitting president with his former election opponent.

Either way, he is not someone I would be looking to for facts that are
not about pillows or his company.

Ya think??? However, Gregory bought into it hook, line, and sinker.

Jeff.

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Mike Lindell is not a good source of news/facts about anything other than
his pillows and his company.

My point exactly. But Gregory sure bought into Lindell's election fraud misinformation.

Did he? I only noticed you bringing up Lindell. Did all of Gregory's info also come from Lindell?

But you don't deny that he left Americans behind, many who are apparently
of Afghani descent, who were trying to get out?

The question was about military equipment. I agree that some Americans were unable, or unwilling, to evacuate.

Unable because the safe passage we were told about wasn't a guarantee, especially (apparently) for Afghani-Americans.


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However, one of Lindell's misinformation films -- I believe it was the three-hour propaganda flick titled "Absolute Proof" -- focused on his belief that his evidence was so strong that it would cause the Supreme Court to unanimously vote to re-instate Trump.

Did he actually show any proof in that one, or just talk about his "belief"?

While we're at it, I'm also fully aware that there is no provision in the Constitution for the Supreme Court to replace a sitting president with his former election opponent.

Noted. There were several folks after 2016 who seemed to think that it
went to the runner-up. They seemed confused when told removing Trump made Pence President, not HRC. These were people I had attended various points
of school with so I was very surprised they were so misinformed.


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was escorted from the room, as planned. That Biden took that moment to ask Geissler a question was just coincidence.

His boss never lets him talk. Trump talked to the American people every day during the pandemic, without any cue cards.

The press wouldn't turn Trump off because they hoped he would say something dumb. The press turns Biden off because they are afraid he will say/do something dumb.


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On 18 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Mike Lindell is not a good source of news/facts about anything othe than
his pillows and his company.

My point exactly. But Gregory sure bought into Lindell's election fraud misinformation.

Did he? I only noticed you bringing up Lindell. Did all of Gregory's info also come from Lindell?

Yeah, Gregory was way into Lindell.

But you don't deny that he left Americans behind, many who are apparently
of Afghani descent, who were trying to get out?

The question was about military equipment. I agree that some Americans w unable, or unwilling, to evacuate.

Unable because the safe passage we were told about wasn't a guarantee, especially (apparently) for Afghani-Americans.

Apparently some are even now leaving.

Jeff.

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On 18 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

However, one of Lindell's misinformation films -- I believe it was the three-hour propaganda flick titled "Absolute Proof" -- focused on his be that his evidence was so strong that it would cause the Supreme Court to unanimously vote to re-instate Trump.

Did he actually show any proof in that one, or just talk about his "belief"?

Are you kidding me? Lindell has never shown an iota of proof.

While we're at it, I'm also fully aware that there is no provision in th Constitution for the Supreme Court to replace a sitting president with h former election opponent.

Noted. There were several folks after 2016 who seemed to think that it went to the runner-up. They seemed confused when told removing Trump
made Pence President, not HRC. These were people I had attended various points of school with so I was very surprised they were so misinformed.

Interesting.

Jeff.

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Sometimes the president meets with people without the press present. It seems like that would be his decision to make.

Yes, but herding them out while discussion are still going on is unusual. It has happened yet again within the past couple of days. Biden was having a tour of either a windmill manufacturer, or farm, that included a "press availability." Once Biden was done being shown parts of a windmill, and started talking and asking questions, one of the camera people pointed
their camera towards the press, who were being herded away while Biden was still talking.

So they didn't even let them stay to hear what Biden had to say about it.

I doubt Biden had anything to do with making that decision, or any of the others. He seemed to be enjoying himself, playing with the windmill blade and seeing a campaign slogan poster affixed to the end of it. He seems to like
to talk and have an audience. Others seem not to like him to have an
audience.


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On 20 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Sometimes the president meets with people without the press present. It like that would be his decision to make.

Yes, but herding them out while discussion are still going on is
unusual. It has happened yet again within the past couple of days.

No, it's not unusual. The portion of the event for which the press was there had concluded.

Biden was having a tour of either a windmill manufacturer, or farm, that included a "press availability." Once Biden was done being shown parts
of a windmill, and started talking and asking questions, one of the
camera people pointed their camera towards the press, who were being herded away while Biden was still talking.

Perhaps the "press availability" had ended. If they wanted Biden to shut up, wouldn't it have been a whole lot easier to herd him away? You seem to prefer to jump to the most conspiratorial conclusion possible.

So they didn't even let them stay to hear what Biden had to say about it.

I'm not familiar with this particular incident.

I doubt Biden had anything to do with making that decision, or any of the others. He seemed to be enjoying himself, playing with the windmill
blade and seeing a campaign slogan poster affixed to the end of it. He seems to like to talk and have an audience. Others seem not to like him to have an audience.

He, and others, also have a schedule to keep. Discipline does play a role.

Jeff.

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I doubt Biden had anything to do with making that decision, or any of the
others. He seemed to be enjoying himself, playing with the windmill blade and seeing a campaign slogan poster affixed to the end of it. He seems to like to talk and have an audience. Others seem not to like him to have an audience.

He, and others, also have a schedule to keep. Discipline does play a role.

If he is not the one trying to leave, what schedule is he trying to keep?


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On 21 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

I doubt Biden had anything to do with making that decision, or any the
others. He seemed to be enjoying himself, playing with the windmil blade and seeing a campaign slogan poster affixed to the end of it. seems to like to talk and have an audience. Others seem not to lik to have an audience.

He, and others, also have a schedule to keep. Discipline does play a rol

If he is not the one trying to leave, what schedule is he trying to keep?

Often after the initial press briefing, the officials go to discuss things without an audience. That doesn't mean they're doing things in secret, just that they don't want the distraction of an entire press corps while they discuss whatever it is that they have to discuss.

This happens in private business, too. Don't act like it's something Biden
just came up with.

Jeff.

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