Data shows that if you compare the most extreme "Trump" counties to the most extreme "Biden" counties, three times as many people are dying of COVID-19 in "Trump" counties than in "Biden" counties.

Extreme "Trump" counties are defined as those counties in which Trump
received 80% or more of the presidential vote.

Extreme "Biden" counties are defined as those counties in which Biden
received 80% or more of the presidential vote.

Throw in that "Trump" counties tend to be less populated than "Biden"
counties in the first place, and the difference becomes even more stark.

So by all means, my conservative friends, keep on "owning the libs!" You're doing a fine job; keep up the good work!

Jeff.

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Data shows that if you compare the most extreme "Trump" counties to the most extreme "Biden" counties, three times as many people are dying of COVID-19 in "Trump" counties than in "Biden" counties.

Data also shows that you're judging people based on who they voted for in
2020. It says little about a person. If Joe Manchin were running for president against Trump in 2020, you'd vote for Joe Manchin - but does that mean that you're a big Joe Manchin supporter? No.

It sickens me that people still have such a strong desire to be divided. Do
you ever want to compromise with conservatives, or do you just want them to be marginalized in a more efficient way? It would behoove us all if we found common ground instead of listening to divisive crap on the news like "Surveys show that Trump supporters are more likely to be racist, based on gay calculations.."

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On 02 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Data shows that if you compare the most extreme "Trump" counties to t most extreme "Biden" counties, three times as many people are dying o COVID-19 in "Trump" counties than in "Biden" counties.

Data also shows that you're judging people based on who they voted for in 2020. It says little about a person. If Joe Manchin were running for president against Trump in 2020, you'd vote for Joe Manchin - but does that mean that you're a big Joe Manchin supporter? No.

Who they voted for is who they voted for. Correlations can be drawn.

It sickens me that people still have such a strong desire to be divided. Do you ever want to compromise with conservatives, or do you just want them to be marginalized in a more efficient way? It would behoove us all if we found common ground instead of listening to divisive crap on the news like "Surveys show that Trump supporters are more likely to be racist, based on gay calculations.."

In other words, you'd like me to stop stating the truth because it offends
you. I get it. This is a politics forum. I don't think it was designed as a place for unicorns and rainbows. Your request for mercy has been duly noted, however.

Jeff.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

It sickens me that people still have such a strong desire to be
divided.

The division that they seek is the division between the ruling elite (of which Jeff believes he's part of) and the proles. The Left seems to have this strong belief that they are above everyone else who doesn't believe what they believe.
To accept something different pains them, hence their desire to be divided.

Do you ever want to compromise with conservatives,

A compromise can only be done between peers. Lefties believe they have no peers, hence no compromise can be made.

or do you
just want them to be marginalized in a more efficient way?

Probably. Every time a Leftie has to deal with reality, it's painful for them.
The more they can hide in their safe spaces, away from reality, the better they feel. So they NEED to marginalize anyone who contridicts their Narrative.

It would
behoove us all if we found common ground instead of listening to
divisive crap on the news like "Surveys show that Trump supporters are more likely to be racist, based on gay calculations.."

It would be much better. But Lefties can't do that.

Most people have the attitude of "I believe that I'm right, but if I get some evidence that I'm wrong, I can change my belief." Lefties, though, have an attitude of "I'm right. If I get some evidence that I'm wrong, I'm still right and I'm going to dismiss the evidence. Then I'll label you some bad thing because your evidence hurt me."

There is no common ground with these people. They simply refuse to accept reality.


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On 03 Sep 2021, Ron Lauzon said the following...

It sickens me that people still have such a strong desire to be divided.

The division that they seek is the division between the ruling elite (of which Jeff believes he's part of) and the proles. The Left seems to
have this strong belief that they are above everyone else who doesn't believe what they believe. To accept something different pains them,
hence their desire to be divided.

Do you ever want to compromise with conservatives,

A compromise can only be done between peers. Lefties believe they have
no peers, hence no compromise can be made.

or do you
just want them to be marginalized in a more efficient way?

Probably. Every time a Leftie has to deal with reality, it's painful
for them. The more they can hide in their safe spaces, away from
reality, the better they feel. So they NEED to marginalize anyone who contridicts their Narrative.

It would
behoove us all if we found common ground instead of listening to divisive crap on the news like "Surveys show that Trump supporters ar more likely to be racist, based on gay calculations.."

It would be much better. But Lefties can't do that.
Most people have the attitude of "I believe that I'm right, but if I get some evidence that I'm wrong, I can change my belief." Lefties, though, have an attitude of "I'm right. If I get some evidence that I'm wrong, I'm still right and I'm going to dismiss the evidence. Then I'll label you some bad thing because your evidence hurt me."
There is no common ground with these people. They simply refuse to
accept reality.

What a pitiful pair of victims you two are.

Jeff.

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On 09-03-21 08:19, Ron Lauzon <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: COVID deaths <=-

You have given a very good description of the Trump right-wing
conservatives --- except that you erred by calling them lefties.

Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

It sickens me that people still have such a strong desire to be
divided.

The division that they seek is the division between the ruling elite
(of which Jeff believes he's part of) and the proles. The Left seems
to have this strong
belief that they are above everyone else who doesn't
believe what they believe.
To accept something different pains them, hence their desire to be divided.

Do you ever want to compromise with conservatives,

A compromise can only be done between peers. Lefties believe they
have no peers, hence no compromise can be made.

or do you
just want them to be marginalized in a more efficient way?

Probably. Every time a Leftie has to deal with reality,
it's painful for them.
The more they can hide in their safe spaces, away from reality, the
better they feel. So they NEED to marginalize anyone who
contridicts their Narrative.

It would
behoove us all if we found common ground instead of listening to
divisive crap on the news like "Surveys show that Trump supporters are more likely to be racist, based on gay calculations.."

It would be much better. But Lefties can't do that.

Most people have the attitude of "I believe that I'm right, but if I
get some evidence that I'm wrong, I can change my belief." Lefties, though, have an attitude of "I'm right. If I get some evidence that
I'm wrong, I'm still right
and I'm going to dismiss the evidence. Then I'll label you some bad
thing because your evidence hurt me."

There is no common ground with these people. They simply refuse to
accept reality.

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In other words, you'd like me to stop stating the truth because it
offends you. I get it. This is a politics forum. I don't think it was designed as a place for unicorns and rainbows. Your request for mercy
has been duly noted, however.

Racial statistics and Trump County statistics are offensive to me, but I have thick skin, so it's all good. I still appreciate your willingness to discuss these things with me. I value your opinion too. I think one thing we (Fido politics people) have in common is that we are interested in politics and that we enjoy talking about them with each other.

But we're not being any better than the divisive politicians that we deal with (Trump/Biden/Pelosi/Schumer.) We're just pushing our opinions and sharing whichever facts are convenient for us. Instead of doing that, we should find common ground, if we are really ever going to do anything about issues like immigration, inflation, or education.

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It sickens me that people still have such a strong desire to be divided.

The division that they seek is the division between the ruling elite (of which Jeff believes he's part of) and the proles. The Left seems to
have this strong belief that they are above everyone else who doesn't believe what they believe. To accept something different pains them,
hence their desire to be divided.

A few years ago, I would just think "they will have to admit failure when they fail," but what you're saying is more accurate. There's no need to admit failure when it's this easy to keep the sheep in an orderly line. They have
the power to make honest people look like liars; they can paint garbage green and their sheep will eat it because it looks like grass.

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On 03 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

In other words, you'd like me to stop stating the truth because it offends you. I get it. This is a politics forum. I don't think it was designed as a place for unicorns and rainbows. Your request for mercy has been duly noted, however.

Racial statistics and Trump County statistics are offensive to me, but I have thick skin, so it's all good. I still appreciate your willingness
to discuss these things with me. I value your opinion too. I think one thing we (Fido politics people) have in common is that we are interested in politics and that we enjoy talking about them with each other.

Why are statistics offensive to you? Do you think they're false? Do you think it's offensive to look into these things?

But we're not being any better than the divisive politicians that we
deal with (Trump/Biden/Pelosi/Schumer.) We're just pushing our opinions and sharing whichever facts are convenient for us. Instead of doing
that, we should find common ground, if we are really ever going to do anything about issues like immigration, inflation, or education.

I don't think there is common ground. Conservatives are opposed to any
change, whether it be to how we teach history or to how we teach math. Everything gets politicized, from biology to math to climate science to medicine. None of it gets argued on its merits because the right makes it
into a political "us vs. them." And you think the left causes division?

Jeff.

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Why are statistics offensive to you? Do you think they're false? Do you think it's offensive to look into these things?

Statistics that don't involve color of skin or nationality or who voted for Trump are not offensive to me.

What if I went to ABQ & started telling people "Did you know that latinos here hate white people? 2 out of 10 restaurants in the south valley won't serve
me!" There's no point in pushing information like that on poeple - it's better to be optimistic and hope that things get better in that extremely racist town.

that, we should find common ground, if we are really ever going to do anything about issues like immigration, inflation, or education.

I don't think there is common ground. Conservatives are opposed to any change, whether it be to how we teach history or to how we teach math.

We would need to change the tone of our conversation to find common ground. We won't find any if we are in attack-mode. Do you like attack-mode? It's fine. That's the way we've been carrying on in Fido for several years already. We
all sorta like it that way I guess, but we're not making any progress this way.

Some liberals have argued for the rights of children to use whichever bathroom they want, despite their gender. Some conservatives have argued that they need to pick a gender and stick with it. I think we should make a 3rd bathroom called the "3rd gender bathroom." What do you think about that?

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On 04 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Why are statistics offensive to you? Do you think they're false? Do y think it's offensive to look into these things?

Statistics that don't involve color of skin or nationality or who voted for Trump are not offensive to me.

Why is that? Does it uncover things you wish it didn't? People can count anything they want to count. There's no "politically correct" list of things that aren't to be counted... except in your head.

What if I went to ABQ & started telling people "Did you know that
latinos here hate white people? 2 out of 10 restaurants in the south valley won't serve me!" There's no point in pushing information like
that on poeple - it's better to be optimistic and hope that things get better in that extremely racist town.

You could certainly do that, but it would make you look more racist than you already do. People would have to compare your experience to their own and wonder why people are "racist" towards you or refuse to serve you a meal. Because that's not the experience that the rest of us had.

that, we should find common ground, if we are really ever going anything about issues like immigration, inflation, or education.

I don't think there is common ground. Conservatives are opposed to an change, whether it be to how we teach history or to how we teach math

We would need to change the tone of our conversation to find common ground. We won't find any if we are in attack-mode. Do you like attack-mode? It's fine. That's the way we've been carrying on in Fido
for several years already. We all sorta like it that way I guess, but we're not making any progress this way.

There is plenty of common ground, but that's not where the politics reside.

Some liberals have argued for the rights of children to use whichever bathroom they want, despite their gender. Some conservatives have argued that they need to pick a gender and stick with it. I think we should
make a 3rd bathroom called the "3rd gender bathroom." What do you think about that?

I think you're trying to put constraints on something you don't understand.

Jeff.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

A few years ago, I would just think "they will have to admit failure
when they fail," but what you're saying is more accurate. There's no
need to admit failure when it's this easy to keep the sheep in an
orderly line. They have the power to make honest people look like
liars; they can paint garbage green and their sheep will eat it because
it looks like grass.

That's pretty much it. You can see this "management by fiat" in many places including the old Communist USSR.

And you can see it today. ex: "The vaccine is safe for everyone because we said so" - not because there's actual data showing that it's safe for everyone.


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On 09-05-21 14:22, Ron Lauzon <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: COVID deaths <=-

And you can see it today. ex: "The vaccine is safe for
everyone because we said
so" - not because there's actual data showing that it's safe for
everyone.

I don't know who you think said the vaccine is safe for everyone. It is
safe for almost everyone, but there are a few reactions to it. That is
what the data says. AND, it is far safer than waiting to catch COVID
and suffering its effects.

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Some liberals have argued for the rights of children to use whichever bathroom they want, despite their gender. Some conservatives have arg that they need to pick a gender and stick with it. I think we should make a 3rd bathroom called the "3rd gender bathroom." What do you thi about that?

I think you're trying to put constraints on something you don't understand.

That's probably true. There are more details to the bathroom story than I am capable of gathering. How about the border issue? Conservatives don't like undocumented people in their neighborhoods, but liberals love it. How about if we just let them all in, in exchange for a bill that ends dark money for political campaigns? Or would that be too much for us to ask?

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And you can see it today. ex: "The vaccine is safe for everyone because
we said so" - not because there's actual data showing that it's safe for everyone.

I wonder if we're more likely to surive covid if we vote Democrat? That's the story that needs to get published to save the sinking slave ship.

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On 09-06-21 12:41, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Ron Lauzon about Re: COVID deaths <=-

And you can see it today. ex: "The vaccine is safe for everyone because
we said so" - not because there's actual data showing that it's safe for everyone.

Already debunked as a false statement.

I wonder if we're more likely to surive covid if we vote Democrat?
That's the story that needs to get published to save the sinking slave ship.

You have got it backwards. You are more likely to survive covid if you
get vaccinated. It just so happens that the areas where the current
covid outbreaks are the worse happen to be places where people believe
in the anti-vax statements pushed at them by some conservatives.

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You have got it backwards. You are more likely to survive covid if you get vaccinated. It just so happens that the areas where the current
covid outbreaks are the worse happen to be places where people believe
in the anti-vax statements pushed at them by some conservatives.

Identifying places "where people believe in anti-vax statements" sounds like
an impossible challenge. There are unvaccinated adults in every county in the USA, but we haven't asked each and every one of them "Did you decline vaccination because of something a conservative said about it?"

There are Jehovah Witnesses in every county. Some Jehovahs don't vaccinate, and neither do the Amish. We can't accurately say "It's because a conservative
told them not to vaccinate."

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On 05 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Some liberals have argued for the rights of children to use whic bathroom they want, despite their gender. Some conservatives hav that they need to pick a gender and stick with it. I think we sh make a 3rd bathroom called the "3rd gender bathroom." What do yo about that?

I think you're trying to put constraints on something you don't understand.

That's probably true. There are more details to the bathroom story than
I am capable of gathering. How about the border issue? Conservatives
don't like undocumented people in their neighborhoods, but liberals love it. How about if we just let them all in, in exchange for a bill that
ends dark money for political campaigns? Or would that be too much for
us to ask?

It was conservatives that allowed dark money in in the first place. I don't support undocumented immigrants, either, but a lot of the paeople you're calling undocumented aren't.

Jeff.

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it. How about if we just let them all in, in exchange for a bill that ends dark money for political campaigns? Or would that be too much fo us to ask?

It was conservatives that allowed dark money in in the first place. I

It seems like it would be a good idea to ask for a policy that makes it mandatory for a campaign to disclose the sources of its income. Do you think other liberals would agree?

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On 09 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

it. How about if we just let them all in, in exchange for a bill ends dark money for political campaigns? Or would that be too mu us to ask?

It was conservatives that allowed dark money in in the first place. I

It seems like it would be a good idea to ask for a policy that makes it mandatory for a campaign to disclose the sources of its income. Do you think other liberals would agree?

I think it would. Would you agree that people seeking asylum are not "undocumented" in the official sense of the term?

Jeff.

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On 09-07-21 21:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: COVID deaths <=-

You have got it backwards. You are more likely to survive covid if you get vaccinated. It just so happens that the areas where the current
covid outbreaks are the worse happen to be places where people believe
in the anti-vax statements pushed at them by some conservatives.

Identifying places "where people believe in anti-vax statements"
sounds like an impossible challenge. There are unvaccinated adults in

It is not all that hard. Just look at the counties voting record. In
counties that went strong for Trump, there is a strong tendency that the vaccination rate there is low, and the sick and death rates are high.

every county in the USA, but we haven't asked each and every one of
them "Did you decline vaccination because of something a conservative
said about it?"
There are Jehovah Witnesses in every county. Some Jehovahs
don't vaccinate, and
neither do the Amish. We can't accurately say "It's because a
conservative told them not to vaccinate."

See above, we don't need to attempt to look at individual responses or at numbers of selected minorities. Just look at the county as a whole.

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It seems like it would be a good idea to ask for a policy that makes mandatory for a campaign to disclose the sources of its income. Do yo think other liberals would agree?

I think it would. Would you agree that people seeking asylum are not "undocumented" in the official sense of the term?

Yes. They're "documented" but not "vetted." Now that the Remain in Mexico policy is back in effect, I'm happy about that.

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On 09 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Yes. They're "documented" but not "vetted." Now that the Remain in Mexico policy is back in effect, I'm happy about that.

Kind of like how the Biden admin is blocking the unvetted folks from leaving afghanistan (Which I actually disagree with btw.)

Are you happy about that as well?

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On 09 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

It seems like it would be a good idea to ask for a policy that m mandatory for a campaign to disclose the sources of its income. think other liberals would agree?

I think it would. Would you agree that people seeking asylum are not "undocumented" in the official sense of the term?

Yes. They're "documented" but not "vetted." Now that the Remain in Mexico policy is back in effect, I'm happy about that.

It's only temporary. The Biden administration committed some unspecified bureaucratic faux-pas in cancelling it; I'm sure it will be remedied soon.

Jeff.

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It is not all that hard. Just look at the counties voting record. In counties that went strong for Trump, there is a strong tendency that the vaccination rate there is low, and the sick and death rates are high.

But don't you think there are better statistics to study than this?

Global warming is partially caused by industrial air pollution. Would it be beneficial to study the frequency of Trump voters in the counties that have
the most CO2-producing facilities? That way, if everything goes as planned, we can say with confidence that "Trump supporters are the cause of global warming."

How many Biden supporters are there in the counties that have the most
murders?

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Kind of like how the Biden admin is blocking the unvetted folks from leaving afghanistan (Which I actually disagree with btw.)

Are you happy about that as well?

I haven't heard about that. But if it's true then they are more than welcome to enter through the unsecured Mexico border.

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On 11 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I haven't heard about that. But if it's true then they are more than welcome to enter through the unsecured Mexico border.

Lol.

Been all over the news the last few days. Depending on where you read it, anywhere between 100-200 folks still in Afghanistan including American Citizens that can't get out.

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On 09-10-21 17:23, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: COVID deaths <=-

It is not all that hard. Just look at the counties voting record. In counties that went strong for Trump, there is a strong tendency that the vaccination rate there is low, and the sick and death rates are high.

But don't you think there are better statistics to study than this?

It is a very good statistic, with something to say to all of us. If you
have better statistics -- go for it.

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I haven't heard about that. But if it's true then they are more than welcome to enter through the unsecured Mexico border.

Lol.

Been all over the news the last few days. Depending on where you read it, anywhere between 100-200 folks still in Afghanistan including American Citizens that can't get out.

The army should be able to build a camp for all the refugees, somewhere far away from Afghanistan. It doesn't have to be one of our bases. Joe should have been removing American contract workers steadily since day 1. He knew about Trump's Taliban policy probably since before he was even inaugurated. There's got to be an evil plot twist to this that will emerge later down the road.

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It is not all that hard. Just look at the counties voting record. I counties that went strong for Trump, there is a strong tendency that vaccination rate there is low, and the sick and death rates are high.

But don't you think there are better statistics to study than this?

It is a very good statistic, with something to say to all of us. If you have better statistics -- go for it.

It's possible that if you look carefully, you'll see that there have been more murders in Biden counties than Trump counties, but I would never want to
waste time digging up information like that.

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Hello Richard,

I haven't heard about that. But if it's true then they are more than
welcome to enter through the unsecured Mexico border.

Lol.

Been all over the news the last few days. Depending on where you read it, anywhere between 100-200 folks still in Afghanistan including American Citizens that can't get out.

Not to worry. The Taliban has everything under control.
Including the airport in Kabul.

--Lee

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On 12 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

It is not all that hard. Just look at the counties voting recor counties that went strong for Trump, there is a strong tendency vaccination rate there is low, and the sick and death rates are

But don't you think there are better statistics to study than th

It is a very good statistic, with something to say to all of us. If have better statistics -- go for it.

It's possible that if you look carefully, you'll see that there have
been more murders in Biden counties than Trump counties, but I would
never want to waste time digging up information like that.

Even here in our little Fidonet politics echo there is an extremely strong correlation between political ideology and views on vaccination.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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It's possible that if you look carefully, you'll see that there have been more murders in Biden counties than Trump counties, but I would never want to waste time digging up information like that.

Even here in our little Fidonet politics echo there is an extremely
strong correlation between political ideology and views on vaccination.

I'm the only conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated. (Pretty sure!)

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On 14 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

It's possible that if you look carefully, you'll see that there been more murders in Biden counties than Trump counties, but I w never want to waste time digging up information like that.

Even here in our little Fidonet politics echo there is an extremely strong correlation between political ideology and views on vaccinatio

I'm the only conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated. (Pretty sure!)

Ron seems to be an anti-vaxxer, or just enjoys posting anti-vaxxer misinformation. Either way...

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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Hello Aaron,

It's possible that if you look carefully, you'll see that there

have

been more murders in Biden counties than Trump counties, but I

would

never want to waste time digging up information like that.

Even here in our little Fidonet politics echo there is an extremely
strong correlation between political ideology and views on

vaccination.

I'm the only conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated. (Pretty sure!)

Well, considering all the other ones are dead ...

--Lee

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[..]

Even here in our little Fidonet politics echo there is an extremely
strong correlation between political ideology and views on vaccination.

I'm the only conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated. (Pretty sure!)

"The federal government does not mandate (require) vaccination
for people." ~Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

My, my. President Biden did nothing to change that policy.
Neither did Dr. Anthony Fauci. And nobody else to the best
of my knowledge.

Yet one participant in this echo claims to be the "only
conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated." However, he did
admit that he is not absolutely certain.

It may be true that President Biden strongly encourages
people who have not been vaccinated to do so. But that is
far from being the same thing as being a mandate. I mean,
you are talking about a liberal. A fellow who believes with
all his heart in freedom of the individual to make his/her
own choices.

So let us be clear.

No one is being forced to get themselves vaccinated.
It is a decision each person is allowed to make for themselves.
For better or for worse.

So why are Republican governors so upset? They are ignoring
the escape clause that gives everybody who does not want to get
vaccinated an "out" - meaning there is no mandate for anybody.

You see, all President Biden did was give give private sector
companies with more than 100 workers an option - they must require
employees to be vaccinated *or* undergo weekly tests to ensure
they are not infected with COVID-19.

See how that works? The alternative is the "out" for folks
who do not want the shot.

One more time -

Nobody is being forced to get themselves vaccinated.

IOW, there is no mandate.

At least not by Joe Biden & Co.

--Lee

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On 16 Sep 2021, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Even here in our little Fidonet politics echo there is an extremely
strong correlation between political ideology and views on vaccinati

I'm the only conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated. (Pretty sure!

Yet one participant in this echo claims to be the "only
conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated." However, he did
admit that he is not absolutely certain.

Aaron like to make up statistics because he thinks it discredits statistics based on actual facts and data. Conservatives can be a little odd that way, what with having to deny science, medicine, and oftentimes the very fabric of reality itself.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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Nobody is being forced to get themselves vaccinated.

Give it a little time.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

I'm the only conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated. (Pretty sure!)

<raises hand>

Nope - count me in that group too...





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On 20 Sep 2021, JIMMY ANDERSON said the following...

I'm the only conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated. (Pretty sure!

<raises hand>
Nope - count me in that group too...

Still denying any correlation?

And in case you're still thinking I'm basing the correlation on Fidonet
users, I'm not. The correlation was already documented before that.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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Hello Jimmy,

I'm the only conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated. AT>(Pretty sure!)

<raises hand>

Nope - count me in that group too...

And I had thought Aaron was the only prick in Fidonet.
Was I ever wrong.

Talk about patriotic Americans.

The Pentagon has mandated that all members of the US military
*must* get the jab. That's right. Men and women. Regardless of
sexual orientation or gender wannabe. This has been true as of
August, 2021 - when the FDA approved Pfizer's covid vaccine as
safe and effective.

Of course, the covid vaccine is just one of many, many others,
including those for smallpox, hepatitis, polio, and the flu.
All of which servicemembers *must* take in order to maintain
military readiness.

That is the official explanation. As told, and approved by,
the joint chiefs of staff. So please. Do not take my word for
it.

But hey. If you watch FoxNews, Tucker Carlson will be sure
to set you straight -

"The point of mandatory vaccination is to identify the sincere
Christians in the ranks, the free thinkers, the men with high
testosterone levels, and anyone else who does not love Joe Biden,
and make them leave immediately." ~Tucker Carlson, 9/20/21

Good luck defending this country once our military men and
women have left, along with real Christians rather than fakes.

--Lee

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I'm the only conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated. (Pretty sure!

<raises hand>

Nope - count me in that group too...

Shhh! You weren't supposed to let Jeff hear you say that!

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Nope - count me in that group too...

Still denying any correlation?

And in case you're still thinking I'm basing the correlation on Fidonet users, I'm not. The correlation was already documented before that.

They should tell us why. I told you my reason, and it has nothing to do with Trump or any news media. It has to do with (1) a psychic reading and (2) the way Democrats rejected "the very same vaccine" 8 months ago.

It's careless to trust Democrats with your life. They make babies swim in the Rio Grande.

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On 21 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Nope - count me in that group too...

Still denying any correlation?
And in case you're still thinking I'm basing the correlation on Fidon users, I'm not. The correlation was already documented before that.

They should tell us why. I told you my reason, and it has nothing to do with Trump or any news media. It has to do with (1) a psychic reading
and (2) the way Democrats rejected "the very same vaccine" 8 months ago.

Democrats didn't reject the vaccine. Most of them were vaccinated fairly
early on.

Pointing out a correlation doesn't require an explanation. It is what it is. They may not even know the reason, but that doesn't mean that the correlation doesn't exist.

It's careless to trust Democrats with your life. They make babies swim
in the Rio Grande.

No, they don't. You're twisting US immigration policy.

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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On 21 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I'm the only conservative on Fido who's not vaccinated. (Pretty

<raises hand>
Nope - count me in that group too...

Shhh! You weren't supposed to let Jeff hear you say that!

So if he doesn't say it, it's not true?

Jeff.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken, who indeed was a racist thereby proving himself right.

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