• Barr on Trump

    From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to All on Thursday, September 16, 2021 15:18:47
    "The main problem is you think you're a f***** genius, politically."

    "In my opinion, this is not a base election. Your base is critical, and
    you'll get it out. And there are a lot of people out there, independents and Republicans in the suburbs of the critical states that think you're an
    a******. They think you act like an a****** and you got to, you got to start taking that into account."

    "Your base cares about seeing [former FBI director James Comey] and the rest
    of those guys held accountable, but these other people don't. They don't care about your f****** grievances. And it just seems that every time you're out there, you're talking about your g****** grievances."

    -- Bill Barr to Donald Trump, on why Trump would lose the 2020 election

    https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-trump-gop-voters-think-youre-a-fucking-ass hole-book-2021-9

    (I censored the profanity in Barr's quotes, but a URL is a URL.)

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, September 17, 2021 09:51:00
    "In my opinion, this is not a base election. Your base is critical, and you'll get it out. And there are a lot of people out there, independents and Republicans in the suburbs of the critical states that think you're an a******. They think you act like an a****** and you got to, you got to start taking that into account."

    I don't think there is much doubt in the minds of most about this. He was trying to reach out to people outside of the base, using the same message,
    and it was not the best approach.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, September 17, 2021 09:42:04
    rest of those guys held accountable, but these other people don't. They don't care about your f****** grievances. And it just seems that every time you're out there, you're talking about your g****** grievances."

    Bill Barr sucks. Of course Trump cares about my grievances, and not yours.
    Just like how Biden cares about yours and not mine.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, September 17, 2021 14:10:04
    On 17 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    "In my opinion, this is not a base election. Your base is critical, and you'll get it out. And there are a lot of people out there, independents Republicans in the suburbs of the critical states that think you're an a******. They think you act like an a****** and you got to, you got to s taking that into account."
    I don't think there is much doubt in the minds of most about this. He
    was trying to reach out to people outside of the base, using the same message, and it was not the best approach.

    And he doesn't appear to have changed his approach in the runup to the 2024 election.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 17, 2021 14:43:42
    On 17 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    rest of those guys held accountable, but these other people don't. Th don't care about your f****** grievances. And it just seems that ever time you're out there, you're talking about your g****** grievances."
    Bill Barr sucks. Of course Trump cares about my grievances, and not
    yours. Just like how Biden cares about yours and not mine.

    Nevertheless, it appears that Bill Barr had a valid point.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, September 18, 2021 09:36:00
    I don't think there is much doubt in the minds of most about this. He was trying to reach out to people outside of the base, using the same message, and it was not the best approach.

    And he doesn't appear to have changed his approach in the runup to the 2024 election.

    Yes, I would agree that Trump does not fall into the "minds of most" group
    for sure. Granted, considering some of what has gone on lately, his base
    could grow again, making it moot.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, September 18, 2021 12:54:32
    On 18 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...
    I don't think there is much doubt in the minds of most about this. was trying to reach out to people outside of the base, using the sa message, and it was not the best approach.
    And he doesn't appear to have changed his approach in the runup to the 2 election.
    Yes, I would agree that Trump does not fall into the "minds of most"
    group for sure. Granted, considering some of what has gone on lately,
    his base could grow again, making it moot.

    I don't think his base shrank all that much. Like Barr, I think that his base plus some moderates willing to give him a chance won him the presidency in 2016. I can't rule out that his base has shrunk, or that it may grow again,
    but I doubt it will be more than it was in 2016. Except this time, and I
    agree with Barr on this as well, the people outside his base who gave him a chance before but now consider him an "a******" will not be supporting
    him.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, September 19, 2021 09:58:00
    Yes, I would agree that Trump does not fall into the "minds of most" group for sure. Granted, considering some of what has gone on lately, his base could grow again, making it moot.

    I don't think his base shrank all that much. Like Barr, I think that his base plus some moderates willing to give him a chance won him the presidency in 2016. I can't rule out that his base has shrunk, or that it may grow again, but I doubt it will be more than it was in 2016. Except this time, and I agree with Barr on this as well, the people outside his base who gave him a chance before but now consider him an "a******" will not be supporting
    him.

    They may not but, if the price of everything keeps going up, I'd not rule
    it out. Honestly, unless no one else of any callibre runs against him, I
    don't even see Trump getting nominated again.


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