Ilhan Omar's husband does not look very heterosexual to me. I know that probably sounds terrible, and I don't mean it disparagingly, but I have a strong suspicion that this woman will be out of office soon enough with all of her financial scandals and more.

Just because America barely elected Joe Biden does not mean that people like me are going to easily forget about all the crap that these Democrats in congress have pulled. If all they want to do now is screw us over, it wouldn't surprise me. Democrats will still have TDS decades from now.

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Just because America barely elected Joe Biden does not mean that people like me are going to easily forget about all the crap that these
Democrats in congress have pulled. If all they want to do now is screw us over, it wouldn't surprise me.

Are you really stupid, or do you just want to sound like Sean Dennis?

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Democrats in congress have pulled. If all they want to do now is screw us over, it wouldn't surprise me.

Are you really stupid, or do you just want to sound like Sean Dennis?

Me sounding stupid? What about Chuck Scumer? Student loan debt forgiveness is the #1 biggest priority for him, so he's asking Biden to skip congress and just make it happen with an executive order. There are poor people waiting for a second stimulus check to avoid eviction from their homes, but Chuck wants an executive order to protect Antifa college drop-outs from having to pay their loan that they signed for, agreeing to pay back.

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Democrats in congress have pulled. If all they want to do now is screw us AT>> over, it wouldn't surprise me.

Are you really stupid, or do you just want to sound like Sean Dennis?

Me sounding stupid? What about Chuck Scumer? Student loan debt
forgiveness is
the #1 biggest priority for him, so he's asking Biden to skip
congress and
just make it happen with an executive order. There are poor people
waiting for
a second stimulus check to avoid eviction from their homes, but Chuck wants an
executive order to protect Antifa college drop-outs from having to
pay their
loan that they signed for, agreeing to pay back.

You actually manage to tick most of the Trump talking points check boxes there.

Also, it's Trump who is blocking the second stimulus package, remember?

And please - explain to us all what's wrong with free education that actually help enable people to succeed, make more money etc?


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Ilhan Omar's husband does not look very heterosexual to me. I know that probably sounds terrible, and I don't mean it disparagingly, but I have a strong suspicion that this woman will be out of office soon enough with all of
her financial scandals and more.

Well, she just got reelected so maybe the voters in her district don't care.


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Just because America barely elected Joe Biden does not mean that people like me are going to easily forget about all the crap that these Democrats in congress have pulled. If all they want to do now is screw us over, it wouldn't surprise me.

Are you really stupid, or do you just want to sound like Sean Dennis?

If you had quoted his first paragraph, the first part of this question
would have made sense. Our Congress has been pooing the bed for a while
now, so there is nothing too stupid about pointing that out.


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Also, it's Trump who is blocking the second stimulus package, remember?

How is MSNBC and/or CNN brainwashing you into believing that crazy scenario?

And please - explain to us all what's wrong with free education that actual help enable people to succeed, make more money etc?

The problem with free education is that it doesn't exist yet. When these people signed for their loans, they signed a promissory note to pay it back.

So the problem is with the lenders who loaned this money out, thinking that the student was going to graduate and pay it back, but now they're going to either eat billions of dollars in losses, or the federal government is going to stop funding stuff like Nicaraguan abortions to balance the budget. How is that fair to the Nicaraguan people? Who knows where cuts will come from, but somebody (who will give credit to Joe Biden) will figure that out for us.

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On 11-18-20 02:46, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to All about Conspiracy Theory <=-

Just because America barely elected Joe Biden does not mean that

Joe Biden won in the electoral college by exactly the same margin as
Trump did in 2016 and that Trump called a landside victory. So which is
it -- barely or landside? Also Biden won the popular vote by a bigger
margin than Hillary did in 2016.

Dale Shipp
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Me sounding stupid? What about Chuck Scumer? Student loan debt forgiveness is >the #1 biggest priority for him, so he's asking Biden to skip congress and >just make it happen with an executive order. There are poor people waiting for >a second stimulus check to avoid eviction from their homes, but Chuck wants an >executive order to protect Antifa college drop-outs from having to pay their >loan that they signed for, agreeing to pay back.

We would not need debt forgiveness if we had not been encouraging everyone
to go to college. If people have a clearly thought out career path they
want to follow, college could be great. If they were just going because
that was what they were supposed to do, and they got a degree in something
that has no real world applications, they can't get a job when they get out
and then they have crippling debt to pay off.

I think colleges, especially the state ones, should have to put a cap on
majors that matches the demand for said major. That way, you don't get a
bunch of "basket weaving" majors who cannot get jobs in that field when they graduate.

Same thing with "free college." We don't need to be encouraging people to
go to college and major in things that have no future.

I attended a state college. I lucked out in that it seemed to be right
before the kids who really started racking up debt. I can say their
student guidance programs were very, very lacking. If you didn't have your
own well thought out path, they were eager to derail you into the "4+
years" trajectory and milk you for all the money you had.


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Also, it's Trump who is blocking the second stimulus package, remember?

Because it has a bunch of pork tacked onto it and congress won't draft one without the pork. So both sides are playing politics at a time they should not.

And please - explain to us all what's wrong with free education that actually lp enable people to succeed, make more money etc?

Because you run into the same thing we have now minus the personal debt...
a bunch of people who major in things that have no pratical application who cannot get jobs when they get out of school.

Example, if you major in political science but have no plans to attend law school or get a teaching degree, and you are not at the top of your class,
your job prospects when you graduate are poor. Same with english lit,
minus the law school bit, and probably even if you do graduate at the top.

Dream jobs for degress like those, or any jobs that make enough money to
live on, are not abundent.

If anything, making it free would probably just make that worse. Not only would you have the kids majoring in futureless degrees, you'd not have
the money to lure better educators away from private institutions. The degrees from the free state colleges that should have futures would become worthless, too.


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So the problem is with the lenders who loaned this money out, thinking that the student was going to graduate and pay it back, but now they're going to either eat billions of dollars in losses, or the federal government is going

The problem are the schools offering too many futureless degrees to too
many students.


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Joe Biden won in the electoral college by exactly the same margin as
Trump did in 2016 and that Trump called a landside victory. So which is
it -- barely or landside? Also Biden won the popular vote by a bigger
margin than Hillary did in 2016.

Trump was wrong about that. I think we are going from seeing real
landslides to seeing narrower victories, and probably more that are won electorally but not popularly. Our country is not united enough for a good
old fashioned, only-win-MN-and-DC style landslide.


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We would not need debt forgiveness if we had not been encouraging everyone to go to college. If people have a clearly thought out career path they

I agree with you. Going to college and racking up a huge debt is an awful feeling, especially not knowing exactly how to make it pay off afterwards.
I don't even like getting auto loans because monthly payments bring so much anxiety.

I think colleges, especially the state ones, should have to put a cap on majors that matches the demand for said major. That way, you don't get a

I agree with that too. We need medical personnel, police, EMTs, and these are fields that are always in demand, at least in all the cities I've lived in. It would be rewarding to offer free college tuition to fill jobs like these, and probably a few others too.

But I'm afraid that the way this is being addressed, is it's being used as a gimmick to get votes for otherwise lousy policymakers (like AOC.)

I'd like to hear what kind of budget cuts we could expect to sacrifice to get some people trained in vital career fields.

The federal government's money is already trickling down into wasteful garbage like free food for people of all incomes (that's a thing in my city) not to mention all the salaries that are being paid for people to fill
jobs like "administrator of a waste of money."

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The problem are the schools offering too many futureless degrees to too many students.

Agreed. That is the the issue. There should be no degree offered for a career that lacks job postings. At least not in state colleges/universities.

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Dale Shipp wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Joe Biden won in the electoral college by exactly the same margin as
Trump did in 2016 and that Trump called a landside victory.

Inconvienent fact: The Electoral College doesn't cast their votes until
Dec. 12. So Biden hasn't won yet.

But, then, Lefties like you like to ignore facts that they don't like.

Also Biden won the popular vote by a bigger margin than Hillary
did in 2016.

And we will live in a Republic, not a Democracy. So popular vote is not relevant in any way.

Another fact that Lefties don't like, and ignore.


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Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

We would not need debt forgiveness if we had not been encouraging
everyone to go to college. If people have a clearly thought out career path they want to follow, college could be great.

And there's the problem: Those people were told that they had to "follow
their dreams" and they could be anything that they wanted. What they actually needed was to have Mike Rowe teach their classes instead of a bunch of incompetant 'teachers'.

My parents had me thinking about a career way back in Jr. High. No decision. Just think about it.

They even had a system here in Michigan called MOIS that 1) had you take an apititude test - which showed you what areas you would probably like then 2) let you explore those areas showing you what it took to get there (school, training, etc.) and how much it paid. They also had information on the state colleges and how much they cost.

It was pretty easy to select a career path with the knowledge that you could probably pay off your school loans.

I think colleges, especially the state ones, should have to put a cap
on majors that matches the demand for said major. That way, you don't
get a bunch of "basket weaving" majors who cannot get jobs in that
field when they graduate.

I disagree. Colleges are businesses. If someone comes in and says "I'll
pay you to give me a degree in something useless", the college should say
"ok".

What needs to happen is parents and teachers doing their jobs and letting
the kids know what reality is like.

If no one wants those worthless degrees, the colleges will stop offering
them. But that's why the Lefties want "free college" (meaning that we have to pay for that kid to get a degree in Gender Fluidity) - to keep their indoctrination centers open and the worthless "professors" employed.


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Ron Lauzon wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

We would not need debt forgiveness if we had not been encouraging
everyone to go to college. If people have a clearly thought out career path they want to follow, college could be great.

And there's the problem: Those people were told that they had to
"follow their dreams" and they could be anything that they wanted.
What they actually needed was to have Mike Rowe teach their classes instead of a bunch of incompetant 'teachers'.

My parents had me thinking about a career way back in Jr. High. No decision. Just think about it.

They even had a system here in Michigan called MOIS that 1) had you
take an apititude test - which showed you what areas you would probably like then 2) let you explore those areas showing you what it took to
get there (school, training, etc.) and how much it paid. They also had information on the state colleges and how much they cost.

It was pretty easy to select a career path with the knowledge that you could probably pay off your school loans.

I think colleges, especially the state ones, should have to put a cap
on majors that matches the demand for said major. That way, you don't
get a bunch of "basket weaving" majors who cannot get jobs in that
field when they graduate.

I disagree. Colleges are businesses. If someone comes in and says
"I'll pay you to give me a degree in something useless", the college should say "ok".

What needs to happen is parents and teachers doing their jobs and
letting the kids know what reality is like.

If no one wants those worthless degrees, the colleges will stop
offering them. But that's why the Lefties want "free college" (meaning that we have to pay for that kid to get a degree in Gender Fluidity) -
to keep their indoctrination centers open and the worthless
"professors" employed.

So true. There are a lot of people in our society who have no useful
skills, and therefore have to find ways to mooch of productive people.
Its not just colleges, but busiensses too. It seems you can hector or
talk businesses into paying you to do "training" on some social issues, unreleated to the businesses function. There are phalanxes of people
with skills that are utterely USELESS to society, who can only use
coercion, threats, whining, deciet and politics to put themselves into a position where they can extract money from producers.


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Hello Mike,

Me sounding stupid? What about Chuck Scumer? Student loan debt forgiveness
is
the #1 biggest priority for him, so he's asking Biden to skip congress and
just make it happen with an executive order. There are poor people waiting
for
a second stimulus check to avoid eviction from their homes, but Chuck wants
an
executive order to protect Antifa college drop-outs from having to pay
their
loan that they signed for, agreeing to pay back.

We would not need debt forgiveness if we had not been encouraging everyone to go to college. If people have a clearly thought out career path they want to follow, college could be great. If they were just going because that was what they were supposed to do, and they got a degree in something that has no real world applications, they can't get a job when they get out
and then they have crippling debt to pay off.

The purpose of going to college is to learn. And all learning should
be free. So why put limitations on what students can learn? With free
college tuition students would not have to take out college loans.
Or have to worry about debt forgiveness, as students would have no
debt.

I think colleges, especially the state ones, should have to put a cap on majors that matches the demand for said major. That way, you don't get a bunch of "basket weaving" majors who cannot get jobs in that field when they
graduate.

Again, why impose limitations on what a student can learn? That makes
no sense at all. Better to expand the choices students have, rather
than limit those choices. If a student cannot find a job after getting
a degree in one field, the student could always return and get another
degree. With free college tuition, that would be possible.

Same thing with "free college." We don't need to be encouraging people to go to college and major in things that have no future.

Why limit the choices an individual has? People would be better
served by expanding those choices. Free college tuition is a help
for people to continue learning, and strengthens our economy.

I attended a state college. I lucked out in that it seemed to be right before the kids who really started racking up debt. I can say their student guidance programs were very, very lacking. If you didn't have your
own well thought out path, they were eager to derail you into the "4+ years" trajectory and milk you for all the money you had.

Free college tuition puts an end to that scam.

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

Also, it's Trump who is blocking the second stimulus package, remember?

Because it has a bunch of pork tacked onto it and congress won't draft one without the pork. So both sides are playing politics at a time they should
not.

People who are unemployed due to the coronavirus need help.
The $600 per week stimulus has helped many, but that stops the
day after Christmas. Now people are starving again, and lines
are starting to build up at soup kitchens across the USA ...

And please - explain to us all what's wrong with free education that
actually lp enable people to succeed, make more money etc?

Because you run into the same thing we have now minus the personal debt... a bunch of people who major in things that have no pratical application who
cannot get jobs when they get out of school.

Many people today cannot get jobs due to the coronavirus. Not because
of whatever college they may have attended or what college degree they
might have.

Besides, limiting the choices a student has at college is not the
answer. Eliminating the cost (tuition) also means no future college
loans to repay. Thus freeing up money to pay for other things.

Example, if you major in political science but have no plans to attend law school or get a teaching degree, and you are not at the top of your class, your job prospects when you graduate are poor. Same with english lit, minus the law school bit, and probably even if you do graduate at the top.

So what? It is still a good education. And with free college tution,
no debt to have to worry about.

Dream jobs for degress like those, or any jobs that make enough money to live on, are not abundent.

That is why everything ought to be free. Not just college tuition,
but everything.

If anything, making it free would probably just make that worse. Not only would you have the kids majoring in futureless degrees, you'd not have the money to lure better educators away from private institutions.
The degrees from the free state colleges that should have futures would become worthless, too.

Why would that be a problem? With free college tuition a student
could remain a student forever. Well, most students get tired of
going to school and move on to other things. Such as getting
married and raising a family. But some students love being students.
Just cannot get enough of it. Now if only we can get states to
also provide free dorms and free meal tickets ...

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

So the problem is with the lenders who loaned this money out, thinking that
the student was going to graduate and pay it back, but now they're going to
either eat billions of dollars in losses, or the federal government is
going

The problem are the schools offering too many futureless degrees to too many
students.

Why would that be a problem?

Free college tution has many advantages. Why should colleges
and universities limit the choices? Having a wide selection of
courses and degree programs benefits us all, not just students.
Just think about what they learn, and how they share that
knowledge with the rest of us after they graduate. Even if they
don't graduate, we all benefit.

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Hello Mike,

Joe Biden won in the electoral college by exactly the same margin as
Trump did in 2016 and that Trump called a landside victory. So which is
it -- barely or landside? Also Biden won the popular vote by a bigger
margin than Hillary did in 2016.

Trump was wrong about that. I think we are going from seeing real landslides to seeing narrower victories, and probably more that are won electorally but not popularly. Our country is not united enough for a good
old fashioned, only-win-MN-and-DC style landslide.

Direct democracy would be better than the archaic electoral college
system that we use today. Joe Biden won the popular vote, having
received almost 80 million votes nationally, and winning by having
over 6 million more votes than his nearest opponent. The electoral
college also was one-sided, Biden having won by the same score as
Trump did in 2016. The difference in 2016 was Trump's opponent
received almost 3 million more popular votes, making him a minority
(one term) president.

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Hello Aaron,

We would not need debt forgiveness if we had not been encouraging

everyone

to go to college. If people have a clearly thought out career path they

I agree with you. Going to college and racking up a huge debt is an awful feeling, especially not knowing exactly how to make it pay off afterwards. I don't even like getting auto loans because monthly payments bring so much
anxiety.

There should be no tuition for public colleges and universities.
Private colleges and universities can charge whatever tuition they
want (which is what they do now).

I think colleges, especially the state ones, should have to put a cap on
majors that matches the demand for said major. That way, you don't get a

I agree with that too. We need medical personnel, police, EMTs, and these are
fields that are always in demand, at least in all the cities I've lived in.
It would be rewarding to offer free college tuition to fill jobs like these, pand robably a few others too.

Students should be free to take whatever courses they want.
And public colleges and universities should continue to offer
a wide range of courses and degree programs for students.
Limiting those choices would be anti-democratic, and leave
us with a much weaker educational system.

But I'm afraid that the way this is being addressed, is it's being used as a
gimmick to get votes for otherwise lousy policymakers (like AOC.)

States (such as Louisiana and Georgia) have free college tuition
programs. These programs have been around for decades, and continue
to be very popular. Not a gimmick, as parents and students benefit
greatly. With free college tuition, students do not have to worry
about having to repay student loans. This means students have
the financial resources to move out of their parents house once
they graduate. And that is a benefit for all.

I'd like to hear what kind of budget cuts we could expect to sacrifice to get some people trained in vital career fields.

None. Students repay the cost in taxes. Many times over.

The federal government's money is already trickling down into wasteful garbage like free food for people of all incomes (that's a thing in my city) not to mention all the salaries that are being paid for people to fill jobs like "administrator of a waste of money."

See there? Free college tuition creates jobs, thus expanding the
economy. Isn't that great?

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

The problem are the schools offering too many futureless degrees to too
many students.

Agreed. That is the the issue. There should be no degree offered for a career
that lacks job postings. At least not in state colleges/universities.

If students want to take courses in basket weaving, why would a
college or university not offer them?

--Lee

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Hello Ron,

Joe Biden won in the electoral college by exactly the same margin as
Trump did in 2016 and that Trump called a landside victory.

Inconvienent fact: The Electoral College doesn't cast their votes until Dec. 12. So Biden hasn't won yet.

Joe Biden won the election on November 3.
The electors will meet on December 14.
The congress will certify the election on January 6.
Joe Biden will be sworn in on January 20.

But, then, Lefties like you like to ignore facts that they don't like.

What is there not to like?

Also Biden won the popular vote by a bigger margin than Hillary
did in 2016.

And we will live in a Republic, not a Democracy. So popular vote is not relevant in any way.

Ignoring the will of the people is not the American way. Which is
why most people in the USA will be celebrating on January 20 when
Joe Biden is sworn in as president.

Another fact that Lefties don't like, and ignore.

The vast majority of people accept the fact of the election
as having been free and fair, with Joe Biden being the clear
winner.

--Lee

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Why limit the choices an individual has? People would be better
served by expanding those choices. Free college tuition is a help
for people to continue learning, and strengthens our economy.

While some majors may seem frivolous, educating our voters with some
history, English (if that's your primary language), a foreign
language, study of your local means of government and a critical
thinking class would go a long way to creating an educated populace
that would make better voting decisions.

Some of the local community college districts are starting to offer
free tuition to local students. I think that's a great idea to
continue education and give the kids a chance to test the waters on
what they want to do.

Something has changed. When I went to school, most kids were
undeclared until the end of their second year. Now kids feel
compelled to have a major track planned on day 1, and I've seen a lot
of kids stressed out when what they though they wanted to do isn't
what they're happy doing in reality.

Spend the first 2 years adjusting and trying out classes in ther
major you want, I say.



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Lee Lofaso wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Besides, limiting the choices a student has at college is not the
answer. Eliminating the cost (tuition) also means no future college
loans to repay. Thus freeing up money to pay for other things.

I agree with Lee. There's a first time for everything. :)

College debt has become stifling - those people paying off
non-releasable student loan debt aren't buying houses, or paying
property taxes, or upgrading the house they didn't buy - and housing
is what's driven the economy so far. Sometimes they're not getting
married because they don't want to share the stigma of massive debt
and don't want to involve the other party financially - and the list
goes on...

Now, let's talk about how innovation would thrive if people didn't
need day jobs to pay for unemployment insurance and health coverage?






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They even had a system here in Michigan called MOIS that 1) had you take an apititude test - which showed you what areas you would probably like then 2) let you explore those areas showing you what it took to get there (school, training, etc.) and how much it paid. They also had information on the state colleges and how much they cost.

In Kentucky, I forget what it was called back then but they had the first
part of that. We could only explore if we wanted to go to vocational
school. You could only do that if you'd pretty much already decided you
were not going to college right away, otherwise you couldn't get all of your pre-requisites done.

I think colleges, especially the state ones, should have to put a cap
on majors that matches the demand for said major. That way, you don't get a bunch of "basket weaving" majors who cannot get jobs in that
field when they graduate.

I disagree. Colleges are businesses. If someone comes in and says "I'll
pay you to give me a degree in something useless", the college should say "ok".

I agree as far as private institutions are concerned. The state ones are sucking up tax dollars that keep them in business. Otherwise, their
business would have failed long ago.

What needs to happen is parents and teachers doing their jobs and letting
the kids know what reality is like.

No arguement here.


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The problem are the schools offering too many futureless degrees to too many students.

This is the recipe to long term idiocracy..

At age 46 the only thing I am interested in studying is toxinology.

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Again, why impose limitations on what a student can learn? That makes
no sense at all. Better to expand the choices students have, rather
than limit those choices. If a student cannot find a job after getting
a degree in one field, the student could always return and get another degree. With free college tuition, that would be possible.

You'd make it sound adorable if we were talking about children in preschool. "Let them learn about what fascinates them." But in college? In college being paid for by taxpayers? What do the taxpayers get in return for paying for Hunter Biden's data recovery class at ITT?

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There should be no tuition for public colleges and universities.
Private colleges and universities can charge whatever tuition they
want (which is what they do now).

It would be hilarious if Dems found a way to force private schools to offer free tuition.

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Hello Kurt,

Why limit the choices an individual has? People would be better
served by expanding those choices. Free college tuition is a help
for people to continue learning, and strengthens our economy.

While some majors may seem frivolous, educating our voters with some history, English (if that's your primary language), a foreign
language, study of your local means of government and a critical
thinking class would go a long way to creating an educated populace
that would make better voting decisions.

Sure. Regardless of what field of study a student chooses.

Some of the local community college districts are starting to offer
free tuition to local students. I think that's a great idea to
continue education and give the kids a chance to test the waters on
what they want to do.

The credits earned at a local community college should also be
transferable to a four-year college or university if a student
chooses to pursue further studies.

Something has changed. When I went to school, most kids were
undeclared until the end of their second year. Now kids feel
compelled to have a major track planned on day 1, and I've seen a lot of kids stressed out when what they though they wanted to do isn't what they're happy doing in reality.

Fresh out of high school, many students have no idea as to
what field they should decare as their major. Their advisor
also does not have a clue, even though they are professors.
And to think their parents can or should decide for them?
What craziness. General Studies makes for a great choice
for a student to declare as his/her major. In fact, some
students actually graduate with a degree in General Studies.
But I think that only works for undergraduate studies ...

Spend the first 2 years adjusting and trying out classes in ther
major you want, I say.

Why should any student be forced to make a choice? Isn't that
a choice in and of itself? General Studies means everything.
Making a student a jack of all trades, and master of none.

That is the beauty of America. Freedom. The freedom to fail.
Nowhere else in the world can an individual fail and then be
a success in life. Just look at George W. Bush as an example.
Failed in business. Four times. Even as a baseball owner.
Traded Sammy Sosa, one of the greatest baseball players of
all time. And then he finally succeeded in politics, serving
two terms as governor of Texas, and two terms as POTUS. Even
though Al Gore did receive more votes.

I really do wish GWB would have studied English rather than
play with the boys in the Skull & Bones society. His badly
mangled English made me cringe whenever I heard him speak.
Maybe that's why his wife was a librarian. Made him shut up
every time he was around her.

--Lee

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Hello Kurt,

Besides, limiting the choices a student has at college is not the
answer. Eliminating the cost (tuition) also means no future college
loans to repay. Thus freeing up money to pay for other things.

I agree with Lee. There's a first time for everything. :)

Well, maybe not everything. But certainly most.

College debt has become stifling - those people paying off
non-releasable student loan debt aren't buying houses, or paying
property taxes, or upgrading the house they didn't buy - and housing
is what's driven the economy so far. Sometimes they're not getting
married because they don't want to share the stigma of massive debt
and don't want to involve the other party financially - and the list
goes on...

The economy is for the person. Not the other way around.
But some folks forget that.

Now, let's talk about how innovation would thrive if people didn't
need day jobs to pay for unemployment insurance and health coverage?

All insurance is scam. Access to quality health care is the first
of all human rights. Denial of such access amounts to genocide on a
massive scale.

--Lee

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On 11-18-20, JOACIM MELIN said to AARON THOMAS:


Aren't you the one I just read saying you don't know how 43 other European countries `do things'?

there. Also, it's Trump who is blocking the second stimulus package, JM>remember?

Yet here you are thinking you know so much about how `we' do things!


No..Trump is NOT blocking the second stimulus package....


The U.S. `House' under Nancy Pelosi, and dominated by leftist democrats, wrote a stimulus bill that contains almost every leftist democratic dream item that no republican president in their right mind could possibly sign. Much of it (around 2000 pages long) has nothing whatever to do with helping anybody but `democrat' pet projects.

And please - explain to us all what's wrong with free education
that actually help enable people to succeed, make more money etc?

Let me tell you something I learned before I was six or seven years old;


Nothing is `free'. Nothing! No time...no where...no how! Nothing!


Somewhere along the line......somebody PAYS. Or a whole bunch of `somebodies' pay.


In the end....somebody pays!


Free education?


College professors don't work for free. Like everybody...they have to eat,
they have to pay their rent or mortgages, they have to pay their utilities....


Free healthcare?


Doctors don't work for free. (See above)


Free education?


Teachers don't work for free. (Se above)


And on and on and on.......


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On 11-19-20, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

On 11-18-20 02:46, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to All about Conspiracy Theory <=-

Just because America barely elected Joe Biden does not mean that

Joe Biden won in the electoral college by exactly the

Joe Biden hasn't `won' a thing yet!


Tagline;


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Hello Aaron,

Again, why impose limitations on what a student can learn? That makes
no sense at all. Better to expand the choices students have, rather
than limit those choices. If a student cannot find a job after getting
a degree in one field, the student could always return and get another
degree. With free college tuition, that would be possible.

You'd make it sound adorable if we were talking about children in preschool.
"Let them learn about what fascinates them." But in college? In college being
paid for by taxpayers? What do the taxpayers get in return for paying for Hunter Biden's data recovery class at ITT?

I have no idea. Nor does the blind man who says he has no idea
as to whose computer it was that needed repairs.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

There should be no tuition for public colleges and universities.
Private colleges and universities can charge whatever tuition they
want (which is what they do now).

It would be hilarious if Dems found a way to force private schools to offer
free tuition.

Oh, come now. Private chools offer free tuition all the time.
But only to students who want to play football, or basketball,
or whatever other sport they can play that makes money for
the university.

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

Joe Biden won the election on November 3.

Leftie narrative. The laws say differently.

The electors will meet on December 14.

Correct. Electors from States that did NOT certify their elections don't get to cast their votes.
Again, that's the law lefties like to forget.

The congress will certify the election on January 6.

And if no candidate gets the majority of the electoral votes, it moves to the now Republican controlled House to
elect the President.

Joe Biden will be sworn in on January 20.

Possible, but doubtful.

Ignoring the will of the people is not the American way.

You really need to get educated in how our election process works and why it's set up the way it is.

The vast majority of people accept the fact of the election
as having been free and fair, with Joe Biden being the clear
winner.

No. The majority of the *lefties* think that. The majority of the people don't believe that according to the latest
polls. But you wouldn't hear that in your bubble.


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Lee Lofaso wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Some of the local community college districts are starting to offer
free tuition to local students. I think that's a great idea to
continue education and give the kids a chance to test the waters on
what they want to do.

The credits earned at a local community college should also be transferable to a four-year college or university if a student
chooses to pursue further studies.

In California, the community college system is designed around
transferring credits to the California State University and
University of California systems.

I'm a fan of easing into college, too - spend two years living at
home and building the discipline to handle radically more challenging
academics schooling before jumping off to living on your own and
managing your own workload. Some could do it well, some not so well.




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Hello Tim,

Aren't you the one I just read saying you don't know how 43 other European countries `do things'?

Why should he? He's from Sweden.

there. Also, it's Trump who is blocking the second stimulus package,
remember?

Yet here you are thinking you know so much about how `we' do things!

He knows how Sweden does things. Far better than you or me.

No..Trump is NOT blocking the second stimulus package....

He could veto it, if such a stimulus package is passed by the Congress.
But since no second stimulus package was passed by the Congress ...

The U.S. `House' under Nancy Pelosi, and dominated by leftist democrats, wrote a stimulus bill that contains almost every leftist democratic dream item that no republican president in their right mind could possibly sign.

Such a bill would have to pass both houses of Congress before a
president could even consider signing it.

Much of it (around 2000 pages long) has nothing whatever to do with helping
anybody but `democrat' pet projects.

Not to worry. President Biden will sign it into law once the bill
has been passed by the new Congress.

And please - explain to us all what's wrong with free education
that actually help enable people to succeed, make more money etc?

Let me tell you something I learned before I was six or seven years old;

Wazzat?

Nothing is `free'. Nothing! No time...no where...no how! Nothing!

The best things in life are free.

Somewhere along the line......somebody PAYS. Or a whole bunch of `somebodies' pay.

Thank you, Tim. I really enjoyed my free lunch.

In the end....somebody pays!

Thank you, Tim. I really enjoyed my free dessert.

Free education?

Thank you, Tim. I really enjoyed my free fidonet.
At the expense of every sysop.

College professors don't work for free. Like everybody...they have to eat, they have to pay their rent or mortgages, they have to pay their utilities....

Thank you, Tim. I really enjoyed my free education, at your expense.

Free healthcare?

Thank you, Tim. I really do enjoy my free healthcare, as the state
pays for everything a doctor needs to do his thing.

Doctors don't work for free. (See above)

And guess who pays their salary? All insurance is scam, as Burt
Reynolds said in the movie "Deliverance". The doctors treat the
patients. Somebody else foots the bill.

Free education?

Public schools are just that.

Teachers don't work for free. (Se above)

Thank you Tim, for paying their salary.

And on and on and on.......

Thank you, Tim. For giving so much, and continuing to do so.

--Lee

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Hello Kurt,

Some of the local community college districts are starting to offer
free tuition to local students. I think that's a great idea to
continue education and give the kids a chance to test the waters on
what they want to do.

The credits earned at a local community college should also be
transferable to a four-year college or university if a student
chooses to pursue further studies.

In California, the community college system is designed around transferring credits to the California State University and
University of California systems.

In Louisiana the state legislature had to change its laws so
credits earned at community colleges could be transfereable to
four-year colleges.

I'm a fan of easing into college, too - spend two years living at
home and building the discipline to handle radically more challenging academics schooling before jumping off to living on your own and
managing your own workload. Some could do it well, some not so well.

Two year colleges serve multiple purposes. Some folks do not
need or want a four-year college. Also enables people in rural
areas to further their education, not having to travel long
distances. Takes some of the load off major universities, with
professors no longer having to teach students who are not college
material.

Most of the four-year colleges in Mississippi were two-year
community colleges, upgraded to four-year colleges. Ole Miss
only has some 8,000 students. And that includes the graduate
school. Mississippi State is also small. Compare that with
LSU in Baton Rouge, which has over 25,000 undergraduate
students plus another 5,000 graduate students.

Now if only LSU and other schools in the South had degree
programs in football ...

Dr. Nick Saban, PhD
University of Alabama

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Hello Ron,

Joe Biden won the election on November 3.

Leftie narrative. The laws say differently.

The law is based on the will of the people, who spoke loud and clear.
Joe Biden is president-elect. Kamala Harris is vice president-elect.

The electors will meet on December 14.

Correct. Electors from States that did NOT certify their elections don't get to cast their votes. Again, that's the law lefties like to forget.

The election is over. We the people voted for the electors who are
pledged to vote for the candidate they represent. That makes Joe Biden
the apparent winner, with 306 electoral votes. The popular vote was
also in his favor, by a huge margin, having over 6 million more votes
than his nearest opponent.

The congress will certify the election on January 6.

And if no candidate gets the majority of the electoral votes,

Joe Biden, 306 electoral votes.
Donald Trump, 232 electoral votes.

It takes 270 electoral votes to win.

Joe Biden is president-elect.
Kamala Harris is vice president-elect.

it moves to the now Republican controlled House to elect the President.

Democrats retained control of the House, with Nancy Pelosi the
clear favorite to remain Speaker.

Joe Biden will be sworn in on January 20.

Possible, but doubtful.

A done deal.

Ignoring the will of the people is not the American way.

You really need to get educated in how our election process works and why it's set up the way it is.

Throwing out the votes so a state legislature can choose its own
electors to vote for the candidate of its own choice is not what the
framers of the constitution had in mind.

The vast majority of people accept the fact of the election
as having been free and fair, with Joe Biden being the clear
winner.

No. The majority of the *lefties* think that.

80 million people who voted for Joe Biden are "lefties"?

The majority of the people don't believe that according to the latest polls.

80 million people who voted for Joe Biden, plus 74 million people
who voted for Donald Trump, plus a handful of others who voted for
somebody else do not believe the election was free and fair?

But you wouldn't hear that in your bubble.

"People die for a lie they believe is true all of the time but no
one dies for a lie they know is a lie." ~Dr. Frank Turek

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Can someone offer a sane explanation of why some states are "worth" more than others in the electoral collage?

I would think that the US would benefit as a whole to ditch the current system and go for a direct vote system instead where the candidate who gets the most votes wins, if nothing else maybe help to unite the country a bit.

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Re: Re: Conspiracy Theory
By: Joacim Melin to Lee Lofaso on Mon Nov 23 2020 07:44 am

Can someone offer a sane explanation of why some states are "worth" more than others in the electoral collage?

I think it gives representation to areas with a smaller population.

Someone who wants to win an election in the US needs more than the popular vote. In fact it's possible to win an election and lose the popular vote.

It would take an awful lot to change that system today. It gives a voter in WY a more powerful say than a voter in CA. Strange isn't it?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Oh, come now. Private chools offer free tuition all the time.
But only to students who want to play football, or basketball,
or whatever other sport they can play that makes money for
the university.

Isn't that the way you want it to be? Free tuition in private schools for the elite? Just make sure there are no blacks there because then Hunter Biden's dad won't let him attend.

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Joacim Melin wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

I would think that the US would benefit as a whole to ditch the current system and go for a direct vote system instead where the candidate who gets the most votes wins, if nothing else maybe help to unite the
country a bit.

You're not the only one. The electoral system, as I understood it, is
a relic to when individual votes couldn't be counted in an acceptable
amount of time. It was also from a time where states were much more
independent and the federal government served in areas where it made
sense to administer services and programs across all states. That
seems to have changed over the years.



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Can someone offer a sane explanation of why some states are "worth" more than others in the electoral collage?

You get one vote for every representative you have in Congress, except for
DC that gets three votes because that is the minimum number of representatives/votes that any state has.

Those states may seem like they are worth more but they will likely never,
ever have more than three votes. Some of the other, smaller states who
have more than 3 can count on eventually losing congressional seats, and therefore votes, to more populated states until they, too, only have 3.

Not real sure how that makes them worth "more."


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On 11-23-20 07:44, Joacim Melin <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Conspiracy Theory <=-

Can someone offer a sane explanation of why some states are
"worth" more than others in the electoral collage?

The number of votes given to each state in the electoral college is
based upon the total number of members of Congress for that state. That
is two senators for all, and a number of representatives based on
population. Hence, the states with the largest population get more
votes. But the fact that everyone gets the two votes based on senators
is supposed to even the field for the smaller states. That is the way
it was set up long ago, and has not changed.

I would think that the US would benefit as a whole to ditch
the current system and go for a direct vote system instead
where the candidate who gets the most votes wins, if
nothing else maybe help to unite the country a bit.

There are legitimate arguments for and against that point of view.
Because of the electoral college, the USA is not really a democracy but
is a representative republic. If the electoral college were abolished
in favor of a simple overall majority vote, the states with small
population would end up having little voice. TTTT, I am on the fence
for the idea of abandoning the electoral college.

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Hello Aaron,

Oh, come now. Private chools offer free tuition all the time.
But only to students who want to play football, or basketball,
or whatever other sport they can play that makes money for
the university.

Isn't that the way you want it to be? Free tuition in private schools for the elite? Just make sure there are no blacks there because then Hunter Biden's dad won't let him attend.

Rich folks want to be entertained. Everbody else want to survive.
That is why everything ought to be free.

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Kurt Weiske wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

You're not the only one. The electoral system, as I understood it, is
a relic to when individual votes couldn't be counted in an acceptable
amount of time. It was also from a time where states were much more
independent and the federal government served in areas where it made
sense to administer services and programs across all states. That
seems to have changed over the years.

That's the leftie spin. Just more made up history.

The Electoral College was created so that the President would be the person
who had the widest support across the country.

If you went with a straight popular vote, basically just a handfull of
states (like New York and California with large populations) would elect
the President leaving the rest of the country disenfranchised.

Remember: The U.S. is a Republic, not a pure Democracy. History has shown
us that pure Democracies die in horrible ways.


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Hello Mike,

Can someone offer a sane explanation of why some states are "worth" more
than others in the electoral collage?

You get one vote for every representative you have in Congress, except for DC that gets three votes because that is the minimum number of representatives/votes that any state has.

Those states may seem like they are worth more but they will likely never, ever have more than three votes. Some of the other, smaller states who have more than 3 can count on eventually losing congressional seats, and therefore votes, to more populated states until they, too, only have 3.

Not real sure how that makes them worth "more."

A candidate for president will offer more promises to states
that have more electoral votes than those who have just a few.
An incumbent president will curry favor to states that have
more electoral votes ...

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Not real sure how that makes them worth "more."

A candidate for president will offer more promises to states
that have more electoral votes than those who have just a few.
An incumbent president will curry favor to states that have
more electoral votes ...

Understood. I don't think the original poster understood that at all.


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Hello Ron,

You're not the only one. The electoral system, as I understood it, is
a relic to when individual votes couldn't be counted in an acceptable
amount of time. It was also from a time where states were much more
independent and the federal government served in areas where it made
sense to administer services and programs across all states. That
seems to have changed over the years.

That's the leftie spin. Just more made up history.

The electoral college system is a process. Not a one-day election
taken by a handful of people in a closed room.

The Electoral College was created so that the President would be the person
who had the widest support across the country.

Bull fucking shit. It is an archaic system put into place by rich
white men who owned property (slaves) in order to maintain their own
power forever.

If you went with a straight popular vote, basically just a handfull of states (like New York and California with large populations) would elect the President leaving the rest of the country disenfranchised.

Until Biden beat the crap out of Trump, 5 of the previous 6
presidential elections were "won" by the candidate with the least
amount of popular votes.

Remember: The U.S. is a Republic, not a pure Democracy. History has shown us that pure Democracies die in horrible ways.

The US is a federal republic.

Only two other countries in the world use an electoral college system.
Both of them very small third world countries.

All the other democracies have direct democracy as the means to vote.

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Hello Mike,

Not real sure how that makes them worth "more."

A candidate for president will offer more promises to states
that have more electoral votes than those who have just a few.
An incumbent president will curry favor to states that have
more electoral votes ...

Understood. I don't think the original poster understood that at all.

US presidential elections are screwy when compared with other
countries. So perhaps the original poster understood better than
most people in the US how elections should be run.

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What we had in Washington DC the past four years was the reincarnation
of a former governor of Louisiana - Earl K. Long. Not only was he
certifiable, but he was actually certified nuts and sent to a mental institution. Fortunately, his stripper girlfriend reminded him he
was still governor and could get himself out by firing his doctor.

It would have been fun having Huey P. Long beat FDR and his brother
Earl K. Long being in charge of America's own Banana Republic.

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

Until Biden beat the crap out of Trump, 5 of the previous 6
presidential elections were "won" by the candidate with the least
amount of popular votes.

STOP CONFUSING THE ARGUMENT WITH FACTS!




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Re: Re: Conspiracy Theory
By: Joacim Melin to Lee Lofaso on Mon Nov 23 2020 07:44 am

Can someone offer a sane explanation of why some states are "worth" more
than others in the electoral collage?

I think it gives representation to areas with a smaller population.

Someone who wants to win an election in the US needs more than the
popular vote. In fact it's possible to win an election and lose the popular vote.

It would take an awful lot to change that system today. It gives a
voter in WY a more powerful say than a voter in CA. Strange isn't it?

Ttyl :-),
Al

Thanks Al. Good explanation. I've been wondering about why the candidates campaigned really hard in certain states and almost not at all in others. It must leave the "less valuable" states feeling a bit left out of the whole thing, maybe that's why there was 100 million voters (correct me if that number is wrong) who didn't vote this year.


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Hello Kurt,

Until Biden beat the crap out of Trump, 5 of the previous 6
presidential elections were "won" by the candidate with the least
amount of popular votes.

STOP CONFUSING THE ARGUMENT WITH FACTS!

Sorry. My bad. Won't happen again. Promise.
You do believe me? Don't you? Don't you?
Please believe me. I never lie. Not much.

--Lee

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Melts in your mouth, not in your hands

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