So, Jeff apparently believes that viruses have not originated from, and are
not likely to originate from, wet markets. Here is an interesting paper from the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI), which is a part of the National Institutes for Health (NIH). This paper cites the American Society for Microbiology, Dr. Anthony Fauci and the National Institute of Allergy & Infectious Diseases, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Journal of Virology, the World
Health Organization (WHO), and other documents/publications in the NIH's National Library of Medicine.

Give it a read and then decide if you'd rather take their word or Jeff's.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7362142/

Highlights:

*Transporting uncommon, exotic and rare animals together can advance diseases; *Live markets are perfect laboratories for creating new viruses;
*The rare animals found in wet markets are more likely to carry diseases that humans have never come into contact with (and have no immunity for);
*There is a "well documented" history of pandemics originating from wet
markets and the illegal animal trade that feeds them, even if it turns out
that COVID-19 did not originate from one;
*Wet markets often involve few health precautions or sanitation measures,
and the animals there are less likely to be inspected for health risks.

In more detail:

"Although the exact origin of SARS-CoV-2, the etiologic agent of COVID-19,
is currently unknown, there is substantial evidence to suggest the source
of transmission of the virus occurred within the Wuhan wet market. In these markets, bats and wild animals are frequently sold and stored in close contact. During several of the world's past pandemics, bats were essential to the
spread of zoonotic diseases from bat to another animal or to humans directly. Live animal markets create the perfect conditions for novel viruses such as COVID-19 to emerge. This paper suggests that to prevent future pandemics,
the sale of exotic animals be banned at wet markets. It also advocates for the integration of the analysis of illicit trade with the study of zoonotic
disease transmission and pandemics.
[...]

"Bats are frequently stored and sold in wet markets and are often transported alongside large groups of uncommon and illicitly traded animals that are consumed by humans. This form of transportation and storage allows the spread of pathogens between bats and different, sometimes exotic, and rare creatures that can carry and advance diseases under severe, stressful situations.
[...]

"The published a report entitled 'Identification of a Novel Coronavirus in Bats,' which explains 'the identification of [SARS-CoV] in civet cats and other wild animals in live animal markets suggests that this novel human
pathogen emerged as a result of an interspecies transmission' (Poon et al., 2005, p. 2001).
[...]

"This global health crisis originating from zoonotic transmission is not novel; in fact, over the last 20 years, several deadly diseases are thought to have originated from live animal or wet markets. Wet markets are where fresh meats, produce, and animals are often stored to be sold in open-air environments, in close proximity, with little to no health safety precautions or sanitation measures. These wet markets exist across the world and in China, they often contain foreign, rare, and sometimes endangered species that are sold, among other goods, by traveling suppliers. Wet markets facilitate and heavily contribute to the practice of illicit wildlife trade and in turn, this practice has led to the spread of zoonotic diseases among the animals and to customers at markets. Transportation and storage of animals for wildlife trade at these markets enables the spread of diseases from animals to other animals.

"As one science writer reports 'live meat markets are perfect laboratories for creating new viruses. Stressed animals shed more viruses and are more susceptible to infections, and cages are often stacked on top of each other, facilitating exposure' (Nuwer, 2020). Exotic meats that are traded illegally, such as pangolins, are less likely to be inspected for health risks and may come into contact with bats while in transit. Additionally, because these rare animals are often from remote areas, they may be more likely to carry diseases that humans have never come into contact with (Hemley, 2020). The conditions the live animals are subjected to in wet markets create a petri dish for the spread of diseases.
[...]

"'There is a well-documented history of regional and even global pandemics originating from the transmission of diseases from animals to humans due to
the practice of wet markets and illegal wildlife trafficking.'
[...]

"The Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases,
Dr. Anthony Fauci, insisted on a global closure of wet markets because the current crisis is a "direct result" of this practice (Guzman, 2020). After
the SARS outbreak, China attempted to institute a similar, more stringent
ban on wildlife trade but this has eroded over time (Su, 2020).
[...]

"This outbreak was caused by an array of factors, including the conditions of wet markets, the illicit wildlife trade, and environmental destruction. A multi-pronged approach will be necessary to make sure this never happens
again. On the illegal trade aspect, policymakers will need to address the source of demand for these products: the wet markets. Shutting down the wet markets, or at least strictly regulating them and banning the sale of live
wild animals, will be necessary to address the problem of zoonotic diseases. Hopefully, this pandemic will convince government officials that these
markets need to be dealt with and convince scholars to study the
intersection of illicit trade and public health."

I don't know about the rest of you all, but my take is that any government
that protects or allows the operation of wet markets in their country is gambling with the health of their citizens and everyone else on Earth, and
that fact is not new.


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On 20 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

So, Jeff apparently believes that viruses have not originated from, and are not likely to originate from, wet markets. Here is an interesting

I never said that.

paper from the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI),
which is a part of the National Institutes for Health (NIH). This paper cites the American Society for Microbiology, Dr. Anthony Fauci and the National Institute of Allergy & Infectious Diseases, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Journal of Virology, the World Health Organization (WHO), and other documents/publications in the NIH's National Library of Medicine.
Give it a read and then decide if you'd rather take their word or Jeff's.

I never said that. I only pointed out that they have originated outside of
wet markets, too. And also that if the virus originated in a wet market, then Fauci, the Wuhan virology lab, and any fiscal transactions involving them and any other third parties were not to blame. Conversely, if they are to blame, then a "wet market" could not have been the cause of the pandemic.

Simultaneously blaming Fauci, the Wuhan virology lab, "wet markets," and the Chinese government makes no sense. None of them can be blamed for the
COVID-19 pandemic until we know exactly how it was caused.

Jeff.

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On 20 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

So, Jeff apparently believes that viruses have not originated from, and are not likely to originate from, wet markets. Here is an interesting paper from the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI),
which is a part of the National Institutes for Health (NIH). This paper cites the American Society for Microbiology, Dr. Anthony Fauci and the National Institute of Allergy & Infectious Diseases, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Journal of Virology, the World Health Organization (WHO), and other documents/publications in the NIH's National Library of Medicine.

So now we're supposed to trust Fauci? If Fauci and the Wuhan virology lab
were responsible for the COVID-19 virus, isn't this paper the exact sort of thing he might produce to throw you off his trail?

Who to trust, who to trust?

Jeff.

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So, Jeff apparently believes that viruses have not originated from, and are not likely to originate from, wet markets. Here is an interesting

I never said that.

You have constantly argued against it. Everytime I bring it up. Just a
few messages ago, you questioned my assertion that previous viruses had originated in wet markets.

I never said that. I only pointed out that they have originated outside of wet markets, too. And also that if the virus originated in a wet market, then Fauci, the Wuhan virology lab, and any fiscal transactions involving them and any other third parties were not to blame. Conversely, if they are to blame, then a "wet market" could not have been the cause of the pandemic.

You only did that when you thought you'd caught me in a trap, which turned
out not to be the case.

You get presented evidence and, instead of accepting that you were not
right, you dance and twist away, just like you blame Aaron, Ron, and others
of doing.

Chinese government makes no sense. None of them can be blamed for the COVID-19 pandemic until we know exactly how it was caused.

We will never know because China has refused additional cooperation in investigating the origin. Of course, that refusal is not their fault... it
is someone else's or no one's, I am sure.


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On 20 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

So, Jeff apparently believes that viruses have not originated from, and are not likely to originate from, wet markets. Here is an interesting paper from the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI), which is a part of the National Institutes for Health (NIH). This paper cites the American Society for Microbiology, Dr. Anthony Fauci and the National Institute of Allergy & Infectious Diseases, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Journal of Virology, the World Health Organization (WHO), and other documents/publications in the NIH's National Library of Medicine.

So now we're supposed to trust Fauci? If Fauci and the Wuhan virology lab were responsible for the COVID-19 virus, isn't this paper the exact sort of thing he might produce to throw you off his trail?

Who to trust, who to trust?

Fauci did not write this paper, and Fauci is not their only citation.


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Hello Jeff,

So, Jeff apparently believes that viruses have not originated from,

and

are not likely to originate from, wet markets. Here is an

interesting

paper from the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI),
which is a part of the National Institutes for Health (NIH). This

paper

cites the American Society for Microbiology, Dr. Anthony Fauci and

the

National Institute of Allergy & Infectious Diseases, the Chinese

Academy

of Sciences, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the
Journal of Virology, the World Health Organization (WHO), and other
documents/publications in the NIH's National Library of Medicine.

So now we're supposed to trust Fauci? If Fauci and the Wuhan virology lab were responsible for the COVID-19 virus, isn't this paper the exact sort of
thing he might produce to throw you off his trail?

Who to trust, who to trust?

The Chinese have been trying to tell everybody, from day one, that
we have it all wrong. There are *two* virology labs at Wuhan. Not just
one. So. You know what that means.

We have to start all over.

Time to investigate where the pandemic really began ...

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On 21 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

So, Jeff apparently believes that viruses have not originated from, are not likely to originate from, wet markets. Here is an interest

I never said that.

You have constantly argued against it. Everytime I bring it up. Just a few messages ago, you questioned my assertion that previous viruses had originated in wet markets.

I have argued that if it is not the only possibility, then it is too soon to assign blame.

I never said that. I only pointed out that they have originated outside wet markets, too. And also that if the virus originated in a wet market, Fauci, the Wuhan virology lab, and any fiscal transactions involving the any other third parties were not to blame. Conversely, if they are to bl then a "wet market" could not have been the cause of the pandemic.

You only did that when you thought you'd caught me in a trap, which
turned out not to be the case.

No, I started out by saying that we shouldn't go off blaming China without evidence. (Or Fauci, but that came later.)

You get presented evidence and, instead of accepting that you were not right, you dance and twist away, just like you blame Aaron, Ron, and others of doing.

I accept that "wet markets" are good conditions for species-jumping diseases.
I accept that Fauci wrote that COVID-19 could have originated in a "wet market." I also accept that diseases jump species outside of "wet markets," too. I don't think we should blame until we know what caused it.

We can say that "wet markets" should be banned because they're unsanitary. There are a lot of things that are unsanitary. However, saying that a "wet market" was 100% responsible for COVID-19 and blame the Chinese and their customs for a worldwide pandemic is a step too far.

Chinese government makes no sense. None of them can be blamed for the COVID-19 pandemic until we know exactly how it was caused.

We will never know because China has refused additional cooperation in investigating the origin. Of course, that refusal is not their fault... it is someone else's or no one's, I am sure.

Then we will never know. We can speculate, but we can't place blame.

Jeff.

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On 21 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

On 20 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

So, Jeff apparently believes that viruses have not originated from, are not likely to originate from, wet markets. Here is an interest paper from the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) which is a part of the National Institutes for Health (NIH). This cites the American Society for Microbiology, Dr. Anthony Fauci and

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So now we're supposed to trust Fauci? If Fauci and the Wuhan virology la were responsible for the COVID-19 virus, isn't this paper the exact sort thing he might produce to throw you off his trail?
Who to trust, who to trust?

Fauci did not write this paper, and Fauci is not their only citation.

I was being facetious. You can't blame both "wet markets" and Fauci.

Jeff.

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On 21 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

So, Jeff apparently believes that viruses have not originated from, are not likely to originate from, wet markets. Here is an interest

I never said that.

You have constantly argued against it. Everytime I bring it up. Just a few messages ago, you questioned my assertion that previous viruses had originated in wet markets.

Truth be told, I think that the "wet market" origin theory is probably among the most plausible, and that some conspiracy involving Fauci, the Wuhan virology lab, the Chinese government, and/or Democrats is among the least plausible.

However, until the virus' origin is known for certain -- which it may never be -- blaming this person or those people for it isn't productive. And randomly switching between blaming them, for example arguing "wet markets" with me but agreeing with someone else about Fauci's guilt, is dishonest.

Jeff.

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