Apparently unaware of the results of the Arizona audit which showed no
evidence of election fraud, Trump is pressuring Texas governor Greg Abbott to conduct a similar audit in Texas. Abbott has reportedly shown approval of the idea.

Trump won Texas by over 600,000 votes.

So here's my question:
If such an audit occurs and if, like the Arizona audit, it fails to uncover
any evidence of election fraud whatsoever, can we conclude that the recent spate of election laws passed by Texas Republicans were entirely unnecessary
at best and blatant voter suppression at worst?

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Apparently unaware of the results of the Arizona audit which showed no evidence of election fraud, Trump is pressuring Texas governor Greg Abbott to
conduct a similar audit in Texas. Abbott has reportedly shown approval of the
idea.

Why would the governor of Texas do a damfool thing like that?

Trump won Texas by over 600,000 votes.

Is Trump an idiot? Is the governor of Texas an idiot to do as
Trump requests? When is the last time a candidate who won a state
election asked for a recount? I cannot think of a single instance
in the entire history of the USA.

So here's my question:
If such an audit occurs and if, like the Arizona audit, it fails to uncover
any evidence of election fraud whatsoever, can we conclude that the recent spate of election laws passed by Texas Republicans were entirely unnecessary
at best and blatant voter suppression at worst?

Horror the thought if it is found Biden actually won the election
in Texas, giving him an even wider margin of victory in the Electoral
College.

O'Rourke is going to have a field day running for governor ...

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Apparently unaware of the results of the Arizona audit which showed no evidence of election fraud, Trump is pressuring Texas governor Greg Abbott to conduct a similar audit in Texas. Abbott has reportedly shown approval of the idea.

Trump won Texas by over 600,000 votes.

Since the Presidential election is not by popular vote, this seems like a nonsensical request for certain.


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On 25 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Apparently unaware of the results of the Arizona audit which showed no evidence of election fraud, Trump is pressuring Texas governor Greg Abbo conduct a similar audit in Texas. Abbott has reportedly shown approval o idea.
Trump won Texas by over 600,000 votes.

Since the Presidential election is not by popular vote, this seems like a nonsensical request for certain.

Nonsensical, yes.

As for the presidential election being by popular vote, it is and it isn't.
On the national level, it isn't, because of the electoral college. But on the state level, the level at which these audits are taking place, it is, in that the popular vote within the state determines the makeup of the state's electoral college delegates.

Jeff.

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On 25 Sep 2021, Mike Powell said the following...

Apparently unaware of the results of the Arizona audit which showed no evidence of election fraud, Trump is pressuring Texas governor Greg Abbo conduct a similar audit in Texas. Abbott has reportedly shown approval o idea.
Trump won Texas by over 600,000 votes.

Since the Presidential election is not by popular vote, this seems like a nonsensical request for certain.

Reading this again, I see what you're getting at now. Yeah, any increase in
the number of Texas voters voting for Trump would not affect the election outcome in any way. I agree that it's nonsensnsical and also, as I mentioned, potentially counterproductive (from a Republican viewpoint) in that it could jeopardize the rationale for the recent voting law changes in Texas.

Jeff.

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Trump won Texas by over 600,000 votes.

Since the Presidential election is not by popular vote, this seems like a nonsensical request for certain.

Instead of asking people why they won't vaccinate, liberals prefer to evaluate Trump-allegiance-by-county. Their minons go along with the ridiculous notion that Trump is the answer to everything.

In reality, Democrats/the media are avoiding questions like:

"Why did Democrats and the media previously reject the covid vaccine but now they embrace it and are even trying to enforce it?"

Could you imagine that question being thoroughly answered by a Democrat and/or the media? They would never be honest about it, no matter what.

I'd love for them to just say "Because we wanted to dimish all hopes of people getting their lives back to normal post-covid." If they would just say that, and say it loudly, then I bet a lot of people would start injecting the
vaccine like crazy.

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On 25 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Trump won Texas by over 600,000 votes.

Since the Presidential election is not by popular vote, this seems li nonsensical request for certain.

Instead of asking people why they won't vaccinate, liberals prefer to evaluate Trump-allegiance-by-county. Their minons go along with the ridiculous notion that Trump is the answer to everything.

Trump is the answer to nothing.

In reality, Democrats/the media are avoiding questions like:
"Why did Democrats and the media previously reject the covid vaccine but now they embrace it and are even trying to enforce it?"

This has been debunked.

Could you imagine that question being thoroughly answered by a Democrat and/or the media? They would never be honest about it, no matter what.

They could not answer it, because it is based on a false premise.

I'd love for them to just say "Because we wanted to dimish all hopes of people getting their lives back to normal post-covid." If they would
just say that, and say it loudly, then I bet a lot of people would start injecting the vaccine like crazy.

But that would be a lie.

Jeff.

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"Why did Democrats and the media previously reject the covid vaccine now they embrace it and are even trying to enforce it?"

This has been debunked.

It hasn't been debunked. The question is still unanswered.

They could not answer it, because it is based on a false premise.

It's not false; you're ignoring video footage of Democrats rejecting the vax.

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On 26 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

"Why did Democrats and the media previously reject the covid vac now they embrace it and are even trying to enforce it?"

This has been debunked.

It hasn't been debunked. The question is still unanswered.

No, it's not unanswered. I don't know how many times we've been over this. Democrats did not tell anyone not to take the vaccine. Harris said she
wouldn't trust it without medical approval, and when medical approval was given, she got it.

They could not answer it, because it is based on a false premise.

It's not false; you're ignoring video footage of Democrats rejecting the vax.

"Rejecting" the vaccine based on an unapproved status is not the same as telling people not to take it once it is approved.

Jeff.

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No, it's not unanswered. I don't know how many times we've been over
this. Democrats did not tell anyone not to take the vaccine. Harris said she wouldn't trust it without medical approval, and when medical
approval was given, she got it.

Nobody was being asked to trust it without approval. She was disapproving of
it because Trump said "it's gonna be great," and you have to be insane (looks likely) to think that she said it for any other reason.

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"Rejecting" the vaccine based on an unapproved status is not the same as telling people not to take it once it is approved.

Republicans haven't told anyone not to take it once it's approved, but that's almost exactly what Democrats said.

Here's Chuck Schumer telling everyone not to trust the vaccine due to the election:

"Too much of the evidence points to the Trump administration pressuring the FDA to approve a vaccine by Election Day to boost the president's reelection campaign," he said in a statement. This raises serious safety concerns about politics, not science and public health, driving the decision making process."

But you're too insane to understand this from a bird's eye-view.

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On 26 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

No, it's not unanswered. I don't know how many times we've been over this. Democrats did not tell anyone not to take the vaccine. Harris s she wouldn't trust it without medical approval, and when medical approval was given, she got it.

Nobody was being asked to trust it without approval. She was
disapproving of it because Trump said "it's gonna be great," and you
have to be insane (looks likely) to think that she said it for any other reason.

If nobody was being asked to trust it without approval, then why does her refusal to trust it without approval bother you so much? She said she didn't trust Trump, and somehow that got you all worked up.

Jeff.

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On 26 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

"Rejecting" the vaccine based on an unapproved status is not the same telling people not to take it once it is approved.

Republicans haven't told anyone not to take it once it's approved, but that's almost exactly what Democrats said.

Yes, they have. Check your "party idiot-list."

And "almost?" Really, "almost?"

Here's Chuck Schumer telling everyone not to trust the vaccine due to the election:
"Too much of the evidence points to the Trump administration pressuring the FDA to approve a vaccine by Election Day to boost the president's reelection campaign," he said in a statement. This raises serious safety concerns about politics, not science and public health, driving the decision making process."

He's saying not to trust the vaccine until it's been approved, and not to
trust Trump to approve something that's not safe. "By Election Day" was key
to this statement. Whether or not Trump won or lost the election, after Election Day, Trump would no longer be tempted to do something stupid for political purposes. Since approval by Election Day would be too fast for a normal approval anyway, he wasn't telling people not to take the vaccine.

But you're too insane to understand this from a bird's eye-view.

I understand it quite well.

Why is it again that most of the unvaccinated are conservatives? Because liberals told them last year not to trust the vaccine until it was properly approved?

Jeff.

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On 26 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

If nobody was being asked to trust it without approval, then why does refusal to trust it without approval bother you so much? She said she didn't trust Trump, and somehow that got you all worked up.

The reason it bothered me so much was because she (and Chuck Schumer) sought to dimish everyone's hopes of putting covid behind us; they
wanted the fear to never end. They wanted people to remain desperate forever. They didn't want people to be appreciative of a Republican president who offered a positive message. They didn't want a covid
vaccine to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

None of that is true. They said they would get vaccinated when the vaccine
was properly approved, and they did. They never said they would never take it.

Jeff.

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On 09-25-21 14:21, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: Texas election audit <=-

"Why did Democrats and the media previously reject the covid vaccine

They didn't -- they rejected the idea of a "vaccine" promoted by Trump
and his political hacks without any true scientific evaluation.

but now they embrace it and are even trying to enforce it?"

Because now the vaccine has been approved by the career scientific professionals in the FDA, without political pressure.

Could you imagine that question being thoroughly answered by a
Democrat and/or the media? They would never be honest about it, no
matter what.

It has been answered many times.

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If nobody was being asked to trust it without approval, then why does her refusal to trust it without approval bother you so much? She said she didn't trust Trump, and somehow that got you all worked up.

The reason it bothered me so much was because she (and Chuck Schumer) sought
to dimish everyone's hopes of putting covid behind us; they wanted the fear to never end. They wanted people to remain desperate forever. They didn't want people to be appreciative of a Republican president who offered a positive message. They didn't want a covid vaccine to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

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but now they embrace it and are even trying to enforce it?"

Because now the vaccine has been approved by the career scientific professionals in the FDA, without political pressure.

The "pressure" that Trump put on the FDA is heresay. He put pressure on drug companies by investing in research (Operation Warp Speed.) Kamala trashed the vaccine, making it sound like it was a pile of garbage that Trump glued together. Biden "pressured" the FDA to release the vaccine to younger populations, and even now he's "pressuring" for them to release it to even younger (under 11) populations. What am I gonna say about that? "I don't trust Biden's vaccine so I won't let my kids take it until a Republican gets elected." <- That would be me immitating Kamala.

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president who offered a positive message. They didn't want a covid vaccine to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

None of that is true. They said they would get vaccinated when the
vaccine was properly approved, and they did. They never said they would never take it.

They totally made it sound like there was no hope. You weren't watching the news those days I guess. Schumer said "Trump is giving people false hope."

Nobody took the vaccine until it got FDA approval, and Trump never suggested taking it before it got FDA approval. Every Democrat in the world disparaged the vaccine until Biden got elected.

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On 27 Sep 2021, Aaron Thomas said the following...

president who offered a positive message. They didn't want a cov vaccine to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

None of that is true. They said they would get vaccinated when the vaccine was properly approved, and they did. They never said they wou never take it.

They totally made it sound like there was no hope. You weren't watching the news those days I guess. Schumer said "Trump is giving people false hope."

Surely you know that Schumer was talking about Trump taking
hydroxychloroquine when hw said that, not about the vaccines.

Nobody took the vaccine until it got FDA approval, and Trump never suggested taking it before it got FDA approval. Every Democrat in the world disparaged the vaccine until Biden got elected.

Democrats were skeptical until it got approved. The vaccine didn't get the medical community's blessing until after the election.

Jeff.

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