Liberals, explain it to me:

If the media isn't controlling a bunch of grass-eating herd members, then why is Cuomo set to recieve an Emmy award?

The same way the media removed my Republican president, is the way they intend to keep my gorilla governor.

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Re: Explain it to me
By: Aaron Thomas to All on Sat Nov 21 2020 02:32 am

The same way the media removed my Republican president, is the way they intend to keep my gorilla governor.

The media didn't remove your president. There was an election in your country and Joe Biden got more votes so he won the election and will be the next president.

Donald Trump said before the election.. "the only way we can lose is if it's rigged". He was wrong. The only way Donald Trump could loose is if more people voted for another candidate, and they did.

There is no conspiracy about it. Donald Trump lost the election.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan Ianson wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Re: Explain it to me
By: Aaron Thomas to All on Sat Nov 21 2020 02:32 am

The same way the media removed my Republican president, is the way they intend to keep my gorilla governor.

The media didn't remove your president. There was an election in your country and Joe Biden got more votes so he won the election and will be the next president.

Donald Trump said before the election.. "the only way we can lose is if it's rigged". He was wrong. The only way Donald Trump could loose is if more people voted for another candidate, and they did.

There is no conspiracy about it. Donald Trump lost the election.

And the media had NOTHING to do with influencing peoples voting
preferences????

There are only two types of people who could suggest such a thing.
Outright morons of the highest order, or liars.



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Hello Aaron,

Liberals, explain it to me:

If the media isn't controlling a bunch of grass-eating herd members, then why is Cuomo set to recieve an Emmy award?

Talk radio.

The same way the media removed my Republican president, is the way they intend to keep my gorilla governor.

All thanks to Rush Limbaugh and talk radio. All 1500 channels.

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If the media isn't controlling a bunch of grass-eating herd members, then why is Cuomo set to recieve an Emmy award?

Which Emmy award would he be eligible for? I thought they only gave those
to people who were on TV shows?


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 08 2020 01:02 am

And the media had NOTHING to do with influencing peoples voting preferences????

There is so much media. Take your pick left/right/center.

In spite of that I think people can make up their own minds.

There are only two types of people who could suggest such a thing. Outright morons of the highest order, or liars.

Right. Morons and liars are plentiful.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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The media didn't remove your president. There was an election in your count and Joe Biden got more votes so he won the election and will be the next president.

There's never been a president who's done more for this country in my lifetime. Why isn't he getting re-elected? Because the media decided "no." Not just the news media, the late shows, the early shows, celebrities doing side-gigs trashing the president, this is what I mean by the media elected Joe Biden.

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Sat Nov 21 2020 09:11 pm

Why isn't he getting re-elected?

That's easy, because he lost the election.

Because the media decided "no."

The media doesn't vote, people vote.

Not just the news media, the late shows, the early shows, celebrities doing side-gigs trashing the president, this is what I mean by the media elected Joe Biden.

There were a lot of people on his side but if you want to be president you have to have a majority of people on your side ready to vote for you. You need to appeal to more than just republicans or democrats.

At least you need to win the electoral college.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 11-08-20 01:02, Dennis Katsonis <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Explain it to me <=-

Donald Trump said before the election.. "the only way we can lose is if it's rigged". He was wrong. The only way Donald Trump could loose is if more people voted for another candidate, and they did.

There is no conspiracy about it. Donald Trump lost the election.

And the media had NOTHING to do with influencing peoples voting preferences????

The media did have something to do with it -- on both sides. Fox fed
the ultra-right and Trump with all the fake news they wanted to hear.
CNN and MSNBC reported their selection of facts.

Dale Shipp
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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 08 2020 01:02 am

And the media had NOTHING to do with influencing peoples voting preferences????

There is so much media. Take your pick left/right/center.

In spite of that I think people can make up their own minds.

There are only two types of people who could suggest such a thing. Outright morons of the highest order, or liars.

Right. Morons and liars are plentiful.

Mainstream media, by and large, was anti-Trump. Whether it is "right", "left" or "center" is not relevant. To be part of that class of people, it meant adopting "orange man bad".

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Hello Alan,

[..]

There are only two types of people who could suggest such a thing.
Outright morons of the highest order, or liars.

Right. Morons and liars are plentiful.

Everybody is a liar. But not everybody is a moron.
Just think about what that means. If everybody told
the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth,
nobody would believe a word of what they said. But if
everybody lied, which they do, then those who are not
morons would only believe what they want to believe.
Which is why only morons believe what nobody else
wants to believe.

--Lee

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 22 2020 09:14 pm

Mainstream media, by and large, was anti-Trump.

Trump is anti-media. All that "news" just gets in the way and it must be stopped.

To be part of that class of people,

What class of people?

it meant adopting "orange man bad".

It's got nothing to do with "orange man bad". I don't think Trump would be liked more, or liked less based on his complexion.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Explain it to me
By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 22 2020 01:06 pm

Everybody is a liar. But not everybody is a moron.

That's true, we all lie at times. Sometimes a little white lie is a good thing and hurts nobody.

Other lies that hurt or deceive are not so good.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan,

Everybody is a liar. But not everybody is a moron.

That's true, we all lie at times. Sometimes a little white lie is a good thing and hurts nobody.

Other lies that hurt or deceive are not so good.

True for you but not for me is a self-defeating statement,
and therefore a false statement.

Look at it this way. You hop into our car and speed along
the highway at a clip faster than the speed of light. You pass
in front of a cop, who clocks you going a zillion miles an hour
and flags you down. Tells you the speed you were going and asks
if you have anything to say for yourself before he writes you
up for a ticket. So you tell the cop -

"True for you but not for me."

And then speed off before he finishes writing you up.

But we in fidonet know you never lie so please take out your wallet
and pay your fine ...

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Re: Explain it to me
By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 23 2020 03:29 am

But we in fidonet know you never lie so please take out your wallet
and pay your fine ...

I have paid several fines for going over the posted speed. I was speeding and had no defence so I paid up.

If I remember right I tried a defence or two but they didn't work.. ;)

People do lie sometimes and sometimes that is OK.

Some (most) lies accomplish nothing good.

Donald Trump is a devious self serving liar. None of his multitude of lies are good for anything accept himself. His lies do nothing good for America.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Liberals, explain it to me:

If the media isn't controlling a bunch of grass-eating herd members,
then why
is Cuomo set to recieve an Emmy award?

The same way the media removed my Republican president, is the way
they intend
to keep my gorilla governor.

The people removed the president. The media reported on the president and AFAIK the only media who did lie time and time again is Fox News who spent 3,5 years praising Dear Leader and giving him a platform to say whatever he wanted.

The problem with the US is that everything is political. Gun control? Leftist bastards. Want to paint your lawn pink? Liberal scum. Ban gay marriage? Rightwing morons, and so on. Your news media will always be a reflection of your society.

In Sweden we sure have our challenges where Swedish Television (SVT, the public broadcasting service owned by the government) tends to spin thing slightly to the left at times which is bad but here we don't have anything as remotely screwed up as Fox News.


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Alan Ianson wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Re: Explain it to me
By: Aaron Thomas to All on Sat Nov 21 2020 02:32 am

The same way the media removed my Republican president, is the way they
intend to keep my gorilla governor.

The media didn't remove your president. There was an election in your
country and Joe Biden got more votes so he won the election and will be
the next president.

Donald Trump said before the election.. "the only way we can lose is if
it's rigged". He was wrong. The only way Donald Trump could loose is if
more people voted for another candidate, and they did.

There is no conspiracy about it. Donald Trump lost the election.

And the media had NOTHING to do with influencing peoples voting preferences????

If you think that then I suppose media influenced how you voted too. Americans aren't known to be able to think much for themselves but I think people are able to vote without being told by the media, CNN or Fox News, who to vote for.


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Joacim Melin to Dennis Katsonis on Mon Nov 23 2020 08:10:16

Alan Ianson wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Re: Explain it to me
By: Aaron Thomas to All on Sat Nov 21 2020 02:32 am

The same way the media removed my Republican president, is the way they
intend to keep my gorilla governor.

The media didn't remove your president. There was an election in your
country and Joe Biden got more votes so he won the election and will be
the next president.

Donald Trump said before the election.. "the only way we can lose is if
it's rigged". He was wrong. The only way Donald Trump could loose is if
more people voted for another candidate, and they did.

There is no conspiracy about it. Donald Trump lost the election.

And the media had NOTHING to do with influencing peoples voting preferences????

If you think that then I suppose media influenced how you voted too. Americans aren't known to be able to think much for themselves but I think people are able to vote without being told by the media, CNN or Fox News, who to vote for.

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The entire reason that billions is spent on propaganda and marketing is because it can sway peoples minds. The whole reason the industry exists is because media can sway.

So of course incessent media messaging is going to have an affect. Am I influenced? I would like to think not, but I can't be sure.
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If the media isn't controlling a bunch of grass-eating herd members, then why is Cuomo set to recieve an Emmy award?

Which Emmy award would he be eligible for? I thought they only gave those to people who were on TV shows?

You're thinking 80s Emmys. The Emmys today are part of the media campaign to brainwash the herd. Something for them to watch while eating grass & pooping.

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And the media had NOTHING to do with influencing peoples voting preferences????

There is so much media. Take your pick left/right/center.

There is so much LIBERAL media. Not so much conservative. We have 4
publicly broadcast TV networks in the states: ABC, NBC, CBS, & PBS. All four
of them are left-aligned. They have their employees trained just like Kim Jong Un trains his people to clap for him.

Only people with cable tv and/or internet access can see or hear the conservative news media, and that leaves a lot of people out.

Obviously a neutral news company is needed. We should get straight facts without biased criticism segments. But freedom to brainwash people is part of our constitution.

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The people removed the president. The media reported on the president and AFAIK the only media who did lie time and time again is Fox News who spent years praising Dear Leader and giving him a platform to say whatever he wanted.

You should stop watching Fox News. There's no such thing as neutral news in the USA; they are all in support of the Democrat party with the exception of a few.

Fox News has been more valuable than ever during the Trump presidency. Throughout my life, I've always been able to watch the president speak on TV. But if you wanted to see Trump on TV, you had to have Fox News, because no other channel would let him speak. We're turning communist the backwards way; the media is molding the government instead of the government molding the media.

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 23 2020 11:48 am

There is so much LIBERAL media. Not so much conservative.

Why do you want conservative branded news?

Can you just get the facts and still be conservative?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Aaron Thomas to Joacim Melin on Mon Nov 23 2020 12:50 pm

TV. But if you wanted to see Trump on TV, you had to have Fox News, because no other channel would let him speak. We're turning communist the backwards way; the media is molding the government instead of the government molding the media.

The media is trying to inform the public. CNN and others would carry Trump's later appearances, after fact-checking the lies first.

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Donald Trump is a devious self serving liar. None of his multitude of lies are >ood for anything accept himself. His lies do nothing good for America.

I heard that, after all this is over, Trump is going to work on making BC
Great Again.


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Obviously a neutral news company is needed. We should get straight facts without biased criticism segments. But freedom to brainwash people is part of our constitution.

Find a good local news station that reports on national events.

Most of the networks are owned by corporations whose #1 source of revenue
is not television.


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There is so much LIBERAL media. Not so much conservative.

Why do you want conservative branded news?

Can you just get the facts and still be conservative?

Why would he want liberal branded news?

It is difficult to find news that doesn't have some sort of slant anymore.
I try to stick with a couple of local news stations that deliver local,
state, and national news without interjecting unlabeled opinions. If everyone stopped watching the trainwrecks that are cable news networks, they'd
change their ways or go out of business.


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There is so much LIBERAL media. Not so much conservative.

Why do you want conservative branded news?

Can you just get the facts and still be conservative?

I don't want conservative branded news. I want it to be neutral, but it almost never is. It's always some news personalities doing favors for a party.

Joe Biden is going to narrowly escape lots of questions that he don't want to answer because the liberal media won't ask them. The conservative media (which hardly exists) will not be hostile with the Democrat president either. Expect to never see another negative Joe Biden story again in any of our news.

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The media is trying to inform the public. CNN and others would carry Trump' later appearances, after fact-checking the lies first.

They didn't do that with Obama, and he told plenty of lies to us without being fact-checked.

Obama promises affordable health care: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-record/health-care

But ends up costing working families more money and still without coverage: https://www.healthcare.gov/fees/fee-for-not-being-covered/

But he was a black guy - would it have been racist to subject a black man to scrutiny? Would it have been racist to hold a black guy accountable for not delivering his campaign promise? It might not be racist, but the media wouldn't take a chance at having it come out that way. So instead, they back-up their black puppet by ignoring his false moves and focusing on getting the world to hate their puppet's opponent.

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Find a good local news station that reports on national events.

I do, and in my small town there's only 2 of them. They are pretty good at staying neutral while talking about Trump, but for the national headlines they often pass the mic to a national correspondent from the network parent (CBS/NBC/etc) who is sure to put liberal grease on the story.

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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 22 2020 09:14 pm

Mainstream media, by and large, was anti-Trump.

Trump is anti-media. All that "news" just gets in the way and it must
be stopped.

To be part of that class of people,

What class of people?

it meant adopting "orange man bad".

It's got nothing to do with "orange man bad". I don't think Trump would
be liked more, or liked less based on his complexion.

The ruling class. There is definately a "type" of person that is filtered to make it to the top of our instutions.

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Joacim Melin wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Alan Ianson wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Re: Explain it to me
By: Aaron Thomas to All on Sat Nov 21 2020 02:32 am

The same way the media removed my Republican president, is the way they
intend to keep my gorilla governor.

The media didn't remove your president. There was an election in your
country and Joe Biden got more votes so he won the election and will be
the next president.

Donald Trump said before the election.. "the only way we can lose is if
it's rigged". He was wrong. The only way Donald Trump could loose is if
more people voted for another candidate, and they did.

There is no conspiracy about it. Donald Trump lost the election.

And the media had NOTHING to do with influencing peoples voting preferences????

If you think that then I suppose media influenced how you voted too. Americans aren't known to be able to think much for themselves but I
think people are able to vote without being told by the media, CNN or
Fox News, who to vote for.

So the media are just wasting their time trying to sway voters then. You better tell Rupert Murdoch that.

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Re: Explain it to me
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Mon Nov 23 2020 04:29 pm

I heard that, after all this is over, Trump is going to work on making BC Great Again.

He is here already.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Mon Nov 23 2020 04:50 pm

Can you just get the facts and still be conservative?

Why would he want liberal branded news?

What makes you think I want liberal branded news?

It is difficult to find news that doesn't have some sort of slant anymore. I try to stick with a couple of local news stations that deliver local, state, and national news without interjecting unlabeled opinions. If everyone stopped watching the trainwrecks that are cable news networks, they'd change their ways or go out of business.

Every avenue of life is political. It's not always left or right but politics are everywhere. Everything I see and read is slanted one way or another. I just get that facts and leave the slants behind.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 23 2020 08:56 pm

Joe Biden is going to narrowly escape lots of questions that he don't want to answer because the liberal media won't ask them. The conservative media (which hardly exists) will not be hostile with the Democrat president either. Expect to never see another negative Joe Biden story again in any of our news.

Joe Biden or any president is not going to be able to escape questions.

Joe Biden will be accountable to the people just like Donald Trump.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Tue Nov 24 2020 09:47 pm

The ruling class. There is definately a "type" of person that is filtered to make it to the top of our instutions.

Someone is going to rise to the top, to win an election.

Here in the west at least, there is no ruling class. The choice of President, Prime Minister or leader is made by the people.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan Ianson wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Can you just get the facts and still be conservative?

Well, you can't get facts from Leftie Media, that's for sure.


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Kurt Weiske wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

The media is trying to inform the public.

The Media is trying to mis-inform the public. They are not news.
They are Propaganda.

CNN and others would carry
Trump's later appearances, after fact-checking the lies first.

Who fact checks the fact checkers?

It would be irresponsible of the news agencies to spread the lies otherwise.

Yet they do. Journalism is dead in these Leftie media companies.
Perhaps that's why they are going bankrupt.


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Alan Ianson wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Joe Biden or any president is not going to be able to escape questions.

You don't have to escape if those questions are never asked.

Joe Biden will be accountable to the people just like Donald Trump.

If that was the case, he'd be sharing a cell in prison with Hunter right now.


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Ron Lauzon to Alan Ianson on Tue Nov 24 2020 08:30 am

Joe Biden will be accountable to the people just like Donald Trump.

If that was the case, he'd be sharing a cell in prison with Hunter right now.

If Hunter Biden gets messed up with the law he'll get his. Same as anyone.

Donald Trump is likely to have more law issues than Hunter.

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Al

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Joe Biden or any president is not going to be able to escape questions.

Joe Biden will be accountable to the people just like Donald Trump.

Joe's already escaping questions. Nobody dares to ask him about his son's laptops, his role in the firing of a Ukranian prosecutor, or why his family received $2.5 million dollars from China.

Instead, the media asks him stuff like "How does it feel to be replacing a racist president?" (That's how they feed the cows)

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Ron Lauzon wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Yet they do. Journalism is dead in these Leftie media companies.
Perhaps that's why they are going bankrupt.

There's lots of reasons journalism is dying. Google and Craigslist
have killed classified ads, a veritable "full employment act" for
journalists back in the day, and people want content for free on the
internet and don't place a value on it.

It's not because of a leftist slant. As the election proved, there's
more lefties out there by a couple of million voters.




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Hello Mike,

Donald Trump is a devious self serving liar. None of his multitude of lies
are
ood for anything accept himself. His lies do nothing good for America.

I heard that, after all this is over, Trump is going to work on making BC Great Again.

It will be a while before Donald Trump can travel outside the USA.
He likely will have to defend himself in court on a number of charges,
and may be deemed a flight risk, as well as a security risk. Meaning
he will have to turn in his passport.

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

Obviously a neutral news company is needed. We should get straight facts
without biased criticism segments. But freedom to brainwash people is part
of
our constitution.

Find a good local news station that reports on national events.

Most of the networks are owned by corporations whose #1 source of revenue is not television.

There is always state-owned media, found in countries such as Russia.

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Aaron Thomas to Alan Ianson on Tue Nov 24 2020 12:02 pm

Joe's already escaping questions.

What questions?

Nobody dares to ask him about his son's laptops,

Rudy is busy with all that. He might be busy with another conspiracy ATM.

his role in the firing of a Ukranian prosecutor,

He didn't have a role. They wanted that prosecutor fired and he was.

or why his family received $2.5 million dollars from China.

What $2.5 million do you speak of? Is this $2.5M above board or is there some conspiracy?

Instead, the media asks him stuff like "How does it feel to be replacing a racist president?" (That's how they feed the cows)

I haven't seen or read that question but that's a terrible way to talk about Americans.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Joe Biden is going to narrowly escape lots of questions that he don't want to >answer because the liberal media won't ask them. The conservative media (which >hardly exists) will not be hostile with the Democrat president either. Expect >to never see another negative Joe Biden story again in any of our news.

If you watch footage of Joe on the campaign trail, he escaped a lot of questions by shouting down the asker with "You're asking that question because of Trump." Pretty much any difficult question he was asked, that was his answer, or a semi-coherent equivalent.

Only time he could not get away with that was at a debate. The rest of the time, that was his go-to. Wonder how often he will say that as President?


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Joe Biden or any president is not going to be able to escape questions.

B.S. He will try. "You're just asking that 'cause Donald Trump!" We will
see how far his favorite go-to for difficult campaign questions will get
him when he is President. CNN will let him get away with it. MSNBC, too.
I suspect the OTA networks may not be so nice.


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Someone is going to rise to the top, to win an election.

Here in the west at least, there is no ruling class. The choice of President, P
ime Minister or leader is made by the people.

You really believe that? Damn, the grifters in your area probably have you
on speed-dial. Irish Travelers, too.

By the way, I have some wonderful land for sale in a place called Three
Mile Island. Got some more beautiful land in Centralia, PA. You will be
miles from neighbors. I'll sell it to you cheap!!!

If Florida is more your type of place, I got some land that I guar-an-tee
is free of gators and skeeters! Got a cousin in the Ukraine with some
great land available cheap near a place called Chernobyl. I know you'll
love it!


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If Hunter Biden gets messed up with the law he'll get his. Same as anyone.

Donald Trump is likely to have more law issues than Hunter.

True, because Donald's daddy won't be President.


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I heard that, after all this is over, Trump is going to work on making BC >MP> Great Again.

It will be a while before Donald Trump can travel outside the USA.
He likely will have to defend himself in court on a number of charges,
and may be deemed a flight risk, as well as a security risk. Meaning
he will have to turn in his passport.

That's ok. He won't have to leave the states to become Governor of
Louisiana.


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Joe's already escaping questions. Nobody dares to ask him about his son's laptops, his role in the firing of a Ukranian prosecutor, or why his family received $2.5 million dollars from China.

"You're just asking that cuz Trump!" His voters will eat that up, for a
while. Eventually, the ones with any sense will question why he is still bringing up Trump.


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It's not because of a leftist slant. As the election proved, there's
more lefties out there by a couple of million voters.

So you are admitting, or taking for granted, that everyone that voted for
Biden is a leftist?


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He didn't have a role. They wanted that prosecutor fired and he was.

By withholding promised foreign aid, which is against the law.

So, since we've seen the tape, Biden either helped withhold it, or Biden
was lying about having the power to do so? Which is is?

Oh, don't bother, I already know... option 3, Biden is a D so he can never
do anything wrong.


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Hello Alan,

[..]

Every avenue of life is political. It's not always left or right but politics are everywhere. Everything I see and read is slanted one way or another. I just get that facts and leave the slants behind.

Facts? There are no facts.

We are both social and political animals.
That is part of our human nature.
What we do, how we think, who we are.
This is what compels us to do what we do.
Can we change who we are?
Can a tiger change the color of its stripes?
Can a leopard change the number of its spots?
We are not shapeshifters.
And neither are tigers and leopards.

But I do wish we had claws.
And teeth having a really big bite.

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Hello Alan,

Joe Biden is going to narrowly escape lots of questions that he don't

want

to answer because the liberal media won't ask them. The conservative

media

(which hardly exists) will not be hostile with the Democrat president
either. Expect to never see another negative Joe Biden story again in

any

of our news.

Joe Biden or any president is not going to be able to escape questions.

JFK did.

Joe Biden will be accountable to the people just like Donald Trump.

You don't know that. Donald Trump could resign one hour before
Joe Biden is set to take the oath of office. And Mike Pence could
pardon him. Of course, that would not save him from the wrath of
Governor Andrew Cuomo, who would never pardon Trump for crimes
committed in the state of New York.

--Lee

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Hello Alan,

The ruling class. There is definately a "type" of person that is filtered
to make it to the top of our instutions.

Someone is going to rise to the top, to win an election.

Not always. Example - current situation in Israel.

Here in the west at least, there is no ruling class. The choice of President, Prime Minister or leader is made by the people.

Again, not always. In the 2000 US presidential elecion it could
not be determined which candidate won. So the USSC decided, by a
5-4 vote, to award the prize to George W. Bush rather than to Al
Gore (who actually had more popular votes than GWB).

And Boris Johnson managed to get the gig as PM of England with
only 1% of the vote - not exactly what anybody would call a mandate.

--Lee

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Hello Alan,

Joe Biden will be accountable to the people just like Donald Trump.

If that was the case, he'd be sharing a cell in prison with Hunter right
now.

If Hunter Biden gets messed up with the law he'll get his. Same as anyone.

Hillary Clinton is still free as a bird, never having been
charged, tried, or convicted of any crime.

Hunter Biden is still free as a bird, although he did lose a paternity
case and has to pay child support for a child he claimed isn't is.

Donald Trump is likely to have more law issues than Hunter.

Donald Trump got his prey to sign non-disclosure agreements.
And a pre-nuptial with his current whatever-you-want-to-call-it.

--Lee

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Tue Nov 24 2020 05:10 pm

Here in the west at least, there is no ruling class. The choice of
President, Prime Minister or leader is made by the people.

You really believe that?

Yes.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Explain it to me
By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Wed Nov 25 2020 03:04 am

Joe Biden will be accountable to the people just like Donald Trump.

You don't know that.

I am (almost) certain. I am certain that if the people demand an accounting there will be one.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Nobody dares to ask him about his son's laptops,

Rudy is busy with all that. He might be busy with another conspiracy ATM.

Rudy Guiliani can't do anything about Hunter Biden's pedophilia problem. I think that's a task for the FBI, but they might still be on Obama's payroll.

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Re: Explain it to me
By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Wed Nov 25 2020 03:04 am

Someone is going to rise to the top, to win an election.

Not always. Example - current situation in Israel.

Isreal politics make US politics look like a hollywood movie.

And Boris Johnson managed to get the gig as PM of England with
only 1% of the vote - not exactly what anybody would call a mandate.

I don't really have eyes on the Brits. I thought Boris and his party won in a landslide. Did he actually only get 1% of the vote and and get to where he is?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Tue Nov 24 2020 09:47 pm

The ruling class. There is definately a "type" of person that is filtered to make it to the top of our instutions.

Someone is going to rise to the top, to win an election.

Here in the west at least, there is no ruling class. The choice of President, Prime Minister or leader is made by the people.

You get to select from the tiny handful that the ESTABLISHMENT gives you. The people do not get to choose who rises to the top, the ruling class filter that.

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Wed Nov 25 2020 08:44 pm

You get to select from the tiny handful that the ESTABLISHMENT gives you. The people do not get to choose who rises to the top, the ruling class filter that.

There is no establishment or ruling class that can know or predict who will get the delegates and party nomination.

Currently in the US there are only two choices for the most part, republican or democrat. That's been the case for as long as I can remember.

In Canada there are usually five choices of parties to choose from. That's not really better, you get minority governments that can fall at any time and then you go back to the polls.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Mike,

I heard that, after all this is over, Trump is going to work on making

BC

Great Again.

It will be a while before Donald Trump can travel outside the USA.
He likely will have to defend himself in court on a number of charges,
and may be deemed a flight risk, as well as a security risk. Meaning
he will have to turn in his passport.

That's ok. He won't have to leave the states to become Governor of Louisiana.

Louisiana is a banana republic. Napoleon sold it to the US.
Without telling President Jefferson he had already sold it to
Spain.

Actually, France sold us out twice. Not just once. But that's
beside the point.

President Jefferson did not have the funds to buy Louisiana from
France. So he made a deal with Lloyd's of London to borrow the funds.
And that is how the US managed to buy Louisiana.

Actually, Jefferson's intention was only to buy the city of New
Orleans. However, France has already sold the city to Spain.

IOW, Napoleon duped us. Only sold what he had left after he
had already sold New Orleans to Spain.

And then, when it came to time to repay Lloyd's of London, the US
defaulted. So England started raiding US ships to confiscate whatever
they could find in order to bail out the bank that lent the funds
to the US.

The US and England later signed the Treaty of Gent in order to put
an end to the dispute. But reneged when Andrew Jackson and a bunch
of pirates crushed the British in New Orleans.

You have to remember, Spain still owned the city of New Orleans.
Which is the only area Thomas Jefferson was interested in buying
for the US, but had to settle for other properties.

What happened with New Orleans was the Spanish governor wanted
Americans to come to the city and spend their money. But too many
Americans arrived and it became impossible for the Spanish to
govern the city or to collect taxes.

Go ahead and read the Louisiana Purchase. It does not contain
the city of New Orleans, as it was a Spanish possession.

Spain never sold the city of New Orleans. Not to the US or to
any other country. Is it still part of Spain? Or is it part of
the USA? Louisiana still uses Spanish terms of measurement.
Including when it comes to measuring land, and parcels of land.

--Lee

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You get to select from the tiny handful that the ESTABLISHMENT gives you. >DK> The people do not get to choose who rises to the top, the ruling class >DK> filter that.

There is no establishment or ruling class that can know or predict who will get
the delegates and party nomination.

Currently in the US there are only two choices for the most part, republican or
democrat. That's been the case for as long as I can remember.

The Establishment puts their money behind a candidate for their party, and
that is usually who we wind up with. Dennis is mostly right in regards to
the US.

Before the 2016 election, the DNC gave HRC control of their money before
she was even nominated. That is one example. Based on their reactions, I
DO NOT believe that the RNC wanted Trump nominated, but Trump was the
exception and not the general rule.

The Democrats in my state believe that they choose their nominee for
governor, but they have only done so once in my 50 years. That year
someone promising a lottery upset the hand-picked KDP candidate. The other
50 years, a handful of money people pick who to put their money behind, and that person gets nominated.

Actually, there was a second exception... for some reason, the state power brokers split on an election in the early 1970's. Some of them backed a Republican instead, and he became the first Republican governor in forever.


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Hello Alan,

Someone is going to rise to the top, to win an election.

Not always. Example - current situation in Israel.

Isreal politics make US politics look like a hollywood movie.

Israel has no written constitution. Which might explain things.

And Boris Johnson managed to get the gig as PM of England with
only 1% of the vote - not exactly what anybody would call a mandate.

I don't really have eyes on the Brits. I thought Boris and his party won in
a landslide. Did he actually only get 1% of the vote and and get to where he is?

Actually less than 1% -

Boris Johnson 92,153 votes 66.4%
Jeremy Hunt 46,656 votes 33.6%

2019 Conservative Party Leadership election
23 July 2019

The General election was in December 2019, with the Conservative
Party having won the most seats, making the party's elected leader
Boris Johnson PM.

That is less than one percent of the total votes.

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Hello Alan,

Joe Biden will be accountable to the people just like Donald Trump.

You don't know that.

I am (almost) certain. I am certain that if the people demand an accounting
there will be one.

Gee. That didn't happen when Trump was impeached. Every Republican
Senator (minus one) chose to ignore the evidence and set him free.

--Lee

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Hello Dennis,

The ruling class. There is definately a "type" of person that is

filtered

to make it to the top of our instutions.

Someone is going to rise to the top, to win an election.

Here in the west at least, there is no ruling class. The choice of
President, Prime Minister or leader is made by the people.

You get to select from the tiny handful that the ESTABLISHMENT gives you. The people do not get to choose who rises to the top, the ruling class filter that.

That is what Democrats have been trying to tell you for years.
Vladimir Putin installed his puppet in the White House. But that's
okay. The president of Ukraine took care of it.

--Lee

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Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

It's not because of a leftist slant. As the election proved, there's
more lefties out there by a couple of million voters.

So you are admitting, or taking for granted, that everyone that voted
for Biden is a leftist?

I don't know exactly what you think a "leftist" is.



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Re: Explain it to me
By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Wed Nov 25 2020 11:42 pm

Actually less than 1% -

Boris Johnson 92,153 votes 66.4%
Jeremy Hunt 46,656 votes 33.6%

I haven't looked but I suspect results in Canada might look the same.

We don't vote for PM here. We vote for a member of parliment. The leader of the party that elects the most MP's is the PM.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Explain it to me
By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Wed Nov 25 2020 11:43 pm

I am (almost) certain. I am certain that if the people demand an
accounting there will be one.

Gee. That didn't happen when Trump was impeached. Every Republican
Senator (minus one) chose to ignore the evidence and set him free.

True, republicans seem to be happy to ride the Trump train wherever it takes them.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Wed Nov 25 2020 08:44 pm

You get to select from the tiny handful that the ESTABLISHMENT gives you. The people do not get to choose who rises to the top, the ruling class filter that.

There is no establishment or ruling class that can know or predict who will get the delegates and party nomination.

Currently in the US there are only two choices for the most part, republican or democrat. That's been the case for as long as I can remember.

In Canada there are usually five choices of parties to choose from.
That's not really better, you get minority governments that can fall at any time and then you go back to the polls.

Have you ever worked in a large organisation?

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Hello Dennis,

The ruling class. There is definately a "type" of person that is

filtered

to make it to the top of our instutions.

Someone is going to rise to the top, to win an election.

Here in the west at least, there is no ruling class. The choice of
President, Prime Minister or leader is made by the people.

You get to select from the tiny handful that the ESTABLISHMENT gives you. The people do not get to choose who rises to the top, the ruling class filter that.

That is what Democrats have been trying to tell you for years.
Vladimir Putin installed his puppet in the White House. But that's
okay. The president of Ukraine took care of it.

Still peddling this Putin's puppet rubbish?

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Thu Nov 26 2020 09:02 pm

Have you ever worked in a large organisation?

In my younger days yes, I worked at a large organization. There was something like an establishment or ruling class there.

There was lots of politics and dictatorships inside that organization. Thankfully it never extended beyond that organization.

In spite of the nonsense that existed around all that it wasn't a bad place to work or be and it was full of good people for the most part.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Lee Lofaso on Thu Nov 26 2020 09:03 pm

Still peddling this Putin's puppet rubbish?

Trump took Putin's word over his own intelligence agencies. Then there were the love letters from Kim Jong-un and an unhealthy appreciation for dictators.

I'd call that problematic.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan Ianson wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

True, republicans seem to be happy to ride the Trump train wherever it takes them.

My gut feeling was that the republicans were happy to have Trump make
political career-limiting moves and let him take the heat for it. He
didn't want the job in the first place, but saw the American taxpayer
as the greatest rube in the history of grift.

We'll never know exactly how much the Trump organization profited from
these 4 years, between deals made using the power of the office as
influence to charging the secret service to protect him and his family
at several of his residences - sometimes simultaneously, like when
Ivanka was negotiating her retention package and staying with Barron
in NYC. And who knows what else they'll uncover. It'll probably be
determined better off to let it go.

Trump was able to undo more than any long-term politician was able to
do with unwinding social programs, trying to get rid of Obamacare, tax
cuts for the wealthy, conservative supreme court picks and so on - and
that it would take so much time and political capital for the
democrats to unwind them that they're better off in the end.

It's harder to go back, after all. And, now, with 3 conservative
judges on the bench, we're going to see a lot unwound.



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Hello Dennis,

Someone is going to rise to the top, to win an election.

Here in the west at least, there is no ruling class. The choice of
President, Prime Minister or leader is made by the people.

You get to select from the tiny handful that the ESTABLISHMENT gives you. The people do not get to choose who rises to the top, the ruling class filter that.

Vladimir Putin installed Donald Trump.
Deep State installed Joe Biden.
Who or what is gonna install Dennis ...

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Hello Dennis,

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Tue Nov 24 2020 09:47 pm

The ruling class. There is definately a "type" of person that is

filtered

to make it to the top of our instutions.

Someone is going to rise to the top, to win an election.

Here in the west at least, there is no ruling class. The choice of
President, Prime Minister or leader is made by the people.

You get to select from the tiny handful that the ESTABLISHMENT gives you. The
people do not get to choose who rises to the top, the ruling class filter that.

Feel free to throw your own hat into the ring.

--Lee

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Kurt Weiske wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

There's lots of reasons journalism is dying. Google and Craigslist
have killed classified ads, a veritable "full employment act" for
journalists back in the day, and people want content for free on the
internet and don't place a value on it.

That's a reason NEWSPAPERS are dying, not Journalism.

It's not because of a leftist slant. As the election proved, there's
more lefties out there by a couple of million voters.

CNN's bankrupt (they are losing money that their owner is looking to sell them).
The rest of the Media isn't doing much better.

Yet, Newsmax and OANN seem to be doing just fine.


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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Here in the west at least, there is no ruling class.

You need to explain that to the Leftie Elites who think they are the ruling class.


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Hello Kurt,

It's not because of a leftist slant. As the election proved, there's
more lefties out there by a couple of million voters.

So you are admitting, or taking for granted, that everyone that voted
for Biden is a leftist?

I don't know exactly what you think a "leftist" is.

One who is not a "rightist"?

--Lee

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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Lee Lofaso on Thu Nov 26 2020 09:03 pm

Still peddling this Putin's puppet rubbish?

Trump took Putin's word over his own intelligence agencies. Then there were the love letters from Kim Jong-un and an unhealthy appreciation
for dictators.

I'd call that problematic.

Trump was invited to cross the border into North Korea. A move towards peace. Would you have preferred North Korea to launch a ballistic missile at a Western target?

By the way, Trump was lied to by the Deep State about troop numbers in Syria, to sway him to keep a stronger precense there.

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Fri Nov 27 2020 10:19 pm

Trump took Putin's word over his own intelligence agencies. Then
there were the love letters from Kim Jong-un and an unhealthy
appreciation for dictators.

I'd call that problematic.

Trump was invited to cross the border into North Korea. A move towards peace.

That is not problematic. The problematic part is what I stated above.

Would you have preferred North Korea to launch a ballistic missile
at a Western target?

Where do you get these ideas?

By the way, Trump was lied to by the Deep State about troop numbers in Syria, to sway him to keep a stronger precense there.

The deep state is another conspiracy theory promoted by the right. It has no basis in fact or reality. There are several news outlets that support these theories in the west. Newsmax and OANN promote these theories as if they were fact based but they are not. Sky news in Australia is also having a play it seems. It's all great entertainment but I wouldn't try debating with any of those facts.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

It's not because of a leftist slant. As the election proved, there's
more lefties out there by a couple of million voters.

So you are admitting, or taking for granted, that everyone that voted for Biden is a leftist?

I don't know exactly what you think a "leftist" is.

The question is what you think they are. It was your quote that promted
the question.

I believe your statement is not correct... there are more people, but I
don't believe they are *all* leftists.


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That is what Democrats have been trying to tell you for years.
Vladimir Putin installed his puppet in the White House. But that's
okay. The president of Ukraine took care of it.

Still peddling this Putin's puppet rubbish?

I am still wondering how a Ukraine puppet is better than a Russian one?


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There's lots of reasons journalism is dying. Google and Craigslist
have killed classified ads, a veritable "full employment act" for
journalists back in the day, and people want content for free on the
internet and don't place a value on it.

That's a reason NEWSPAPERS are dying, not Journalism.

+1. Just because newspapers are dying doesn't mean the people still publishing news articles, on whatever media, should be following a lower standard.

That said, I think the issue might be that the people posting "news"
articles on the internet are not any more true journalists than you, Kurt,
or I are. The three of us would probably be more likely to follow some
code of responsibility than many of them would. In the old days, most of
them would probably only be qualified to find jobs working for the gossip column.


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Hello Mike,

There's lots of reasons journalism is dying. Google and Craigslist
have killed classified ads, a veritable "full employment act" for
journalists back in the day, and people want content for free on the
internet and don't place a value on it.

That's a reason NEWSPAPERS are dying, not Journalism.

+1. Just because newspapers are dying doesn't mean the people still publishing news articles, on whatever media, should be following a lower standard.

That said, I think the issue might be that the people posting "news" articles on the internet are not any more true journalists than you, Kurt, or I are. The three of us would probably be more likely to follow some code of responsibility than many of them would. In the old days, most of them would probably only be qualified to find jobs working for the gossip column.

Anybody can start a blog.
Anybody can start a podcast.
Anybody can start a videocast.

We can all make ourselves out to be whatever kind of journalist
or reporter we want to be.

--Lee

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Hello Alan,

Actually less than 1% -

Boris Johnson 92,153 votes 66.4%
Jeremy Hunt 46,656 votes 33.6%

I haven't looked but I suspect results in Canada might look the same.

We don't vote for PM here. We vote for a member of parliment. The leader of
the party that elects the most MP's is the PM.

Yes, there are differences. Johnson was born in the USA, but is
PM in England. But had he been born in England he could not have
been elected POTUS.

Which brings me to a question. Actually two questions -

Can a British subject serve as PM of Canada?
Can a Canadian subject serve as PM of England?

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Hello Alan,

I am (almost) certain. I am certain that if the people demand an
accounting there will be one.

Gee. That didn't happen when Trump was impeached. Every Republican
Senator (minus one) chose to ignore the evidence and set him free.

True, republicans seem to be happy to ride the Trump train wherever it takes
them.

Well, it seems it keeps going downhill ...

--Lee

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Re: Explain it to me
By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Sat Nov 28 2020 08:23 pm

Yes, there are differences. Johnson was born in the USA, but is
PM in England. But had he been born in England he could not have
been elected POTUS.

Yes, that is a requirement in the US.

Can a British subject serve as PM of Canada?

Yes, there is no requirement to be born in Canada to serve as PM.

Can a Canadian subject serve as PM of England?

Yes, Andrew Bonar Law was a Canadian born PM of england. He was in office only a short time (for reasons unknown to me) from 23 Oct 1922 to 20 May 1923.


Ttyl :-),
Al

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-=[ On 11-22-20 21:14, Dennis Katsonis wrote to Alan Ianson below: ]=-
-=[ Re: Re: Explain it to me ]=-

Hi Dennis Katsonis!

Mainstream media, by and large, was anti-Trump. Whether it is "right", "left" or "center" is not relevant. To be part of that class of people, it meant adopting "orange man bad".

I agree... there is no free speech when big tech censors and doesn't allow you to speak badly about Biden but speak badly about Trump, there is 20 front page editions on it... I'm so sick of it.

Cheers,
Bryan
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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Fri Nov 27 2020 10:19 pm

Trump took Putin's word over his own intelligence agencies. Then
there were the love letters from Kim Jong-un and an unhealthy
appreciation for dictators.

I'd call that problematic.

Trump was invited to cross the border into North Korea. A move towards peace.

That is not problematic. The problematic part is what I stated above.

Would you have preferred North Korea to launch a ballistic missile
at a Western target?

Where do you get these ideas?

By the way, Trump was lied to by the Deep State about troop numbers in Syria, to sway him to keep a stronger precense there.

The deep state is another conspiracy theory promoted by the right. It
has no basis in fact or reality. There are several news outlets that support these theories in the west. Newsmax and OANN promote these theories as if they were fact based but they are not. Sky news in Australia is also having a play it seems. It's all great entertainment
but I wouldn't try debating with any of those facts.

The Left acknowledged and talked about the Deep State. It only became a "conspiracy" because of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

It's not a conspiracy. It's a term used to describe the power structure in government institutions. I don't know what storybook version of politics you subscribe to, but in the real world, institutions have complex power structures and their own management and agency.

The president doesn't just get to do what he likes, and get any information they like. They need to cooperation of all the other organisations that work for and with the government. It's common knowledge dude.

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 30 2020 09:37 pm

It's not a conspiracy.

You are right. It's just a theory.

It's a term used to describe the power structure in government institutions.

It's getting better as we go.

I don't know what storybook version of politics you subscribe to, but in the real world, institutions have complex power structures and their own management and agency.

True, but that doesn't make a "deep state".

The president doesn't just get to do what he likes,

I never suggested otherwise.

and get any information they like.

The president of the USA has plenty of info available to him provided by intelligence agencies.

They need to cooperation of all the other organisations that work for and with the government.

True again.

It's common knowledge dude.

The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 30 2020 09:37 pm

It's not a conspiracy.

You are right. It's just a theory.

It's a term used to describe the power structure in government institutions.

It's getting better as we go.

I don't know what storybook version of politics you subscribe to, but in the real world, institutions have complex power structures and their own management and agency.

True, but that doesn't make a "deep state".

That is what the "deep state" is. It is the additional powers and layers of beaurocracy that influence our nation.

The president doesn't just get to do what he likes,

I never suggested otherwise.

and get any information they like.

The president of the USA has plenty of info available to him provided
by intelligence agencies.

They need to cooperation of all the other organisations that work for and with the government.

True again.

It's common knowledge dude.

The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

I just described how it works, you AGREE, then you say its a conspiracy theory.


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Tue Dec 01 2020 08:21 pm

The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

I just described how it works, you AGREE, then you say its a conspiracy theory.

That's right. I first heard this "deep state" fiction in the last year but I suspect it has been floating around for a while.

I've heard a lot of fiction in the last year or so that many would pass as fact like airplanes full of men "all dressed in black". Don't let that worry you though, because there is an "investigation", or more recently the cabal.

More recently we have the "I won the election easily if you count the legal votes" conspiracy floated by Trump and Giuliani.

It all makes great reading if you want entertainment but none of it has any basis in fact or reality. It is a conspiracy theory.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 30 Nov 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

No the deep state is very real and not at conspiracy at all.
The reason why it is called a conspiracy is because they want to remain
hidden.

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Hello Alan,

The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

I just described how it works, you AGREE, then you say its a
conspiracy theory.

That's right. I first heard this "deep state" fiction in the last year but I
suspect it has been floating around for a while.

There is a difference between fact and fiction. Just like there is
a difference between conspiracy and conspiracy theory.

I've heard a lot of fiction in the last year or so that many would pass as fact like airplanes full of men "all dressed in black". Don't let that worry you though, because there is an "investigation", or more recently the
cabal.

The men in black always help people forget what they thought they saw.

More recently we have the "I won the election easily if you count the legal
votes" conspiracy floated by Trump and Giuliani.

And how many votes did that get them? So far the Trump/Giuliani team
is batting 0 out of 1000.

It all makes great reading if you want entertainment but none of it has any
basis in fact or reality. It is a conspiracy theory.

It is not a conspiracy theory, but an actual conspiracy.
Trump and Giuliani are still conspiring to win a case ...

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Hello Dennis,

It's not a conspiracy.

You are right. It's just a theory.

It's a term used to describe the power structure in government
institutions.

It's getting better as we go.

I don't know what storybook version of politics you subscribe to, DK>but

in the real world, institutions have complex power structures DK>and their own management and agency.

True, but that doesn't make a "deep state".

That is what the "deep state" is. It is the additional powers and layers of
beaurocracy that influence our nation.

Bureaucracy is the greatest invention of mankind (next to the
invention of the wheel). Without it, mankind never would have
been able to come together as the five-man hunting club. And
then nobody would have had anything to eat.

The president doesn't just get to do what he likes,

I never suggested otherwise.

and get any information they like.

The president of the USA has plenty of info available to him provided
by intelligence agencies.

They need to cooperation of all the other organisations that work DK>for

and with the government.

True again.

It's common knowledge dude.

The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

I just described how it works, you AGREE, then you say its a conspiracy theory.

The most important invention of mankind is the wheel.
Then came the next most important invention of mankind,
which is bureaucracy. It is bureaucracy that gave us
the 5-man hunting club - the means of gathering meat for
the tribe. Men conspiring with other men in order to
bring food to the table. See how that works? This is not
a conspiracy theory, but an actual conspiracy.

Now, I realize that women might disagree. Claiming that
it was women who gathered the meat, and men who took care
of the babies ...

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Hello Greg,

The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

No the deep state is very real and not at conspiracy at all.

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{O}verriding suspicion
{N}efarious intent
{S}omething must be wrong
{P}ersecuted Victim
{I}mmune to Evidence
{R}e-interpreting Randomness

Not all secrets are conspiracies.
Not all evil schemes are conspiracies.
Nor are they always enough together.

So what is a conspiracy?

The reason why it is called a conspiracy is because they want to remain hidden.

Somebody should have told that to Lee Harvey Oswald.

Somebody should have told that to Jack Ruby.

Somebody should have told that to Ted Cruz' father.

Somebody should have told that to Donald Trump.

The Warren Commission claims there was a lone gunman. And that
lone gunman was Lee Harvey Oswald. Who acted alone, with nobody
else taking part in the (JFK) murder.

In fact, he was never even charged with the crime.

Not that it mattered, as Jack Ruby personally took care of the matter.
Live on television.

Isn't that right, Marina?

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Re: Explain it to me
By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Tue Dec 01 2020 11:37 pm

It is not a conspiracy theory, but an actual conspiracy.
Trump and Giuliani are still conspiring to win a case ...

Yes they are, silly little men.

In spite of that it is still a conspiracy theory as it has no basis in fact.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

The most important invention of mankind is the wheel.
Then came the next most important invention of mankind,
which is bureaucracy. It is bureaucracy that gave us
the 5-man hunting club - the means of gathering meat for
the tribe. Men conspiring with other men in order to
bring food to the table. See how that works? This is not
a conspiracy theory, but an actual conspiracy.

Not a conspiracy theory or conspiracy, but pure BS.

What you are describing is socialism, not cooperation. And it has never
worked in the history of mankind.

Your "5-man hunting club" is nothing more than 5 hungry men while the man
who actually works and gets rewarded for his efforts gets the food.


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The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

Just because your paranoid does not mean that they are not after you.

Just because there is a conspiracy theory built around it does not mean
there is not some truth to it, either.

I cannot speak for our federal government but, on a more local level, I
have seen things. For example, here when an administration changes hands
from one party to another, many of the employees in the appointee-levels get swept out the door. Especially if they are underperforming.

Back in the early 2000's, we had a sub-par Republican governor. When his administration first took over, and after they were done sweeping people out, they promoted several non-appointee employees into appointee-level positions.
Towards the end of his only term, most of us were looking forward to
these underperformers being swept out by the incoming Democratic governor.

Although many were swept out across the administration, oddly most of the underperformers in our management chain were not swept out, but instead
were "swept-up" into even higher positions. Many also suddenly went from being incompetent to being seemingly competent, like they'd been back before they entered the appointee ranks under the previous Republican administration.

Later, during the second term of this Democrat governor, most of these folks retired, or resigned, and soon found jobs with a newly formed private
firm. This brand-new firm immediately got involved in the lucrative state government contract game, securing a big federally-funded, high profile third-party program administrator contract. Not bad for a previously
unknown start-up!

That Republican governor did not need any help being incompetent but, considering the overall outcome, several of us peons wondered if those
folks were not underperforming on purpose for those four years knowing that they'd be rewarded once it was over and one of "their guys" returned to
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The most important invention of mankind is the wheel.
Then came the next most important invention of mankind,
which is bureaucracy. It is bureaucracy that gave us
the 5-man hunting club - the means of gathering meat for
the tribe. Men conspiring with other men in order to
bring food to the table. See how that works? This is not
a conspiracy theory, but an actual conspiracy.

No, bureaucracy would be the 5-man hunting club needing licenses to go
hunting first, being able to prove to a government official that they only killed X number of animal and stayed below the government quota, being able
to prove to the same (or different) government official that they only
hunted on certain lands and not others, and then having to give away Y amount of the meat and skins as some sort of tax.

I am sure I left several steps out.

5 people cooperating by their own decision does not equal bureaucracy, or conspiracy.


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Hello Ron,

The most important invention of mankind is the wheel.
Then came the next most important invention of mankind,
which is bureaucracy. It is bureaucracy that gave us
the 5-man hunting club - the means of gathering meat for
the tribe. Men conspiring with other men in order to
bring food to the table. See how that works? This is not
a conspiracy theory, but an actual conspiracy.

Not a conspiracy theory or conspiracy, but pure BS.

What you are describing is socialism, not cooperation. And it has never worked in the history of mankind.

Your "5-man hunting club" is nothing more than 5 hungry men while the man who actually works and gets rewarded for his efforts gets the food.

It must have been a very long time since the last time you got laid.

--Lee

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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Tue Dec 01 2020 08:21 pm

The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

I just described how it works, you AGREE, then you say its a conspiracy theory.

That's right. I first heard this "deep state" fiction in the last year
but I suspect it has been floating around for a while.

I've heard a lot of fiction in the last year or so that many would pass
as fact like airplanes full of men "all dressed in black". Don't let
that worry you though, because there is an "investigation", or more recently the cabal.

More recently we have the "I won the election easily if you count the legal votes" conspiracy floated by Trump and Giuliani.

It all makes great reading if you want entertainment but none of it has any basis in fact or reality. It is a conspiracy theory.

Ttyl :-),
Al

So you think the statement that government departments and instutions are staffed and run by people, and that these have their own culture, and their own internal politics is a "conspiracy theory".

You are an idiot. Truly.



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Lee Lofaso wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Hello Dennis,

It's not a conspiracy.

You are right. It's just a theory.

It's a term used to describe the power structure in government
institutions.

It's getting better as we go.

I don't know what storybook version of politics you subscribe to, DK>but

in the real world, institutions have complex power structures DK>and their own management and agency.

True, but that doesn't make a "deep state".

That is what the "deep state" is. It is the additional powers and layers

o

f

beaurocracy that influence our nation.

Bureaucracy is the greatest invention of mankind (next to the
invention of the wheel). Without it, mankind never would have
been able to come together as the five-man hunting club. And
then nobody would have had anything to eat.

The president doesn't just get to do what he likes,

I never suggested otherwise.

and get any information they like.

The president of the USA has plenty of info available to him provided
by intelligence agencies.

They need to cooperation of all the other organisations that work DK>for

and with the government.

True again.

It's common knowledge dude.

The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

I just described how it works, you AGREE, then you say its a conspiracy theory.

The most important invention of mankind is the wheel.
Then came the next most important invention of mankind,
which is bureaucracy. It is bureaucracy that gave us
the 5-man hunting club - the means of gathering meat for
the tribe. Men conspiring with other men in order to
bring food to the table. See how that works? This is not
a conspiracy theory, but an actual conspiracy.

Now, I realize that women might disagree. Claiming that
it was women who gathered the meat, and men who took care
of the babies ...

--Lee

--
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

Is there anyting in your rambling that tried to present itself as an actual point or argument?

What next, the statement that political parties have their own political agends is a "Conspiracy theory" too?

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Re: deep state
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Wed Dec 02 2020 05:13 pm

The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

Just because your paranoid does not mean that they are not after you.

That's true.

Just because there is a conspiracy theory built around it does not mean there is not some truth to it, either.

That is also true. The best humour also is based on truth.

There is no "deep state" about it.

I cannot speak for our federal government but, on a more local level, I have seen things. For example, here when an administration changes hands from one party to another, many of the employees in the appointee-levels get swept out the door. Especially if they are underperforming.

A short story for you, then I'll leave all this behind.

Many years ago when I was young and working my first real job, I think I was 17/18 at the time. I was working in a crew of 6-8 guys. We all made minimum wage and we would ask the boss for a raise and he would play the poor man. He'd tell us "You'll see it when I see it".

Around that time there was a lot of political turmoil here in BC. Unions were powerful in those days and would shut the province down complaining about corruption and wages. That went on for some time and then there was an election. The governing party was thrown out of office, never to be seen or heard again. I was to young and inexperienced then to know if that was a good thing or to fully understand what had happened.

A short time later it was revealed that we would need to find other employment rather soon. Our boss it turns out had a contract with the government that we were working under and he was making millions. Millions and millions and for reasons I don't quite fathom the gov't would keep renewing that contract year after year.

One of the guys on our crew found out that another company had been awarded the contract at about 10 cents on the dollar so he went and talked with that company and also arranged a subcontract with them. He hired all the original people (myself included) and we continued on with our jobs for the same minimum wages and working conditions. In time I moved on to other things.

That Republican governor did not need any help being incompetent but, considering the overall outcome, several of us peons wondered if those folks were not underperforming on purpose for those four years knowing that they'd be rewarded once it was over and one of "their guys" returned to power.

Yep, that's pretty standard of what goes on here in government and even large private companies, unfortunately.

After leaving the above job I went to work in a large government (a college) setting and it was just like you describe.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Thu Dec 03 2020 10:17 pm

So you think the statement that government departments and instutions are staffed and run by people, and that these have their own culture, and their own internal politics is a "conspiracy theory".

I mean exactly what I said. This so called "deep state" is a conspiracy theory.

You are an idiot. Truly.

I'll take this opportunity to keep my opinion to myself.

Ttyl :-),
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I'm all for weed, but aparently the US congress(D) is not.

Why would they take a vote on that now?

The coronavirus relief bill is probably a lot more
challenging to figure out. But, they are basically turning their backs on marijuana users by doing this now because:

1) the ultra conservative senate republicans will vote against it
2) the president will veto it
3) Dems get to keep cracking the whip on the potheads by telling stoned people "look we voted for it" and technically they're not lying by saying that.

If they wanted to legalize weed they should wait for Joe - but they want to make it look like it's all republicans fault that it didn't happen - CAREER politicians.

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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Thu Dec 03 2020 10:17 pm

So you think the statement that government departments and instutions are staffed and run by people, and that these have their own culture, and their own internal politics is a "conspiracy theory".

I mean exactly what I said. This so called "deep state" is a conspiracy theory.

You are an idiot. Truly.

I'll take this opportunity to keep my opinion to myself.

To argue that government agencies don't have their own organisational politics which
shapes how they run is a denial of basic reality.

That you've fallen for that media line shows how frighteningly gullible
people are. If CNN claimed that statements about the existence of the
Anglican church as a "conspiracy theory", would you buy that too?


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Sat Nov 21 2020 01:08 pm

To argue that government agencies don't have their own organisational politics which shapes how they run is a denial of basic reality.

I have made no such argument. I simply said that the "deep state" was a conspiracy theory.

That you've fallen for that media line shows how frighteningly gullible people are. If CNN claimed that statements about the existence of the Anglican church as a "conspiracy theory", would you buy that too?

I have not fallen for CNN's claims or the churches, or yours.

Ttyl :-),
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Dennis Katsonis wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

To argue that government agencies don't have their own organisational politics which
shapes how they run is a denial of basic reality.

Lefties are in complete denial of human nature period.

These are the same people who think that if you give a bunch of elites
power that they will "do the right thing and not abuse it."

These are the same people who think that we don't really need the police because people are all good. The "bad" ones are just poor. If we gave them some food and money they would be nice.


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Sat Nov 21 2020 13:08:00

To argue that government agencies don't have their own organisational politics which
shapes how they run is a denial of basic reality.

That you've fallen for that media line shows how frighteningly gullible people are. If CNN claimed that statements about the existence of the Anglican church as a "conspiracy theory", would you buy that too?

I agree with you completely.
I've always explained some of the deeper deep state concepts like this: when you learn to play king of the hill as a kid, the name of the game is staying on top. If you obtain a position of power in your employment, social, or civic life, your goal is to, again, 'stay on top'. If your corporation occupies a position of dominance among competetors or a political advantage, its goal is to 'stay on top'. Others with the same goal will work together to forward their ends. Thus the financial sector and its interests, as per common logic, certainly fall under the definition of 'conspiracy', when it comes to their ties with government.
Of course this is going a little bit deeper than employees and their own cultures into the alleged 'deep state' (the financial interests in government, I mean), but the same point lies at pretty much all levels, from individual, to corporate, to office, etc, etc...

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Alan Ianson to Dennis Katsonis on Thu Dec 03 2020 21:10:07

I have made no such argument. I simply said that the "deep state" was a conspiracy theory.

So the citizens are capable of witnessing all of the dealings at all levels of government? (Barring intelligence committee hearings and other classified crap, of course)
Just curious as to your viewpoint on the matter...

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These are the same people who think that if you give a bunch of elites
power that they will "do the right thing and not abuse it."

... and that they will actually do something for the poor besides keep
them poor.


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Damon Getsman to Alan Ianson on Fri Dec 04 2020 08:37 pm

So the citizens are capable of witnessing all of the dealings at all levels of government? (Barring intelligence committee hearings and other classified crap, of course)
Just curious as to your viewpoint on the matter...

Unless they are there watching no, they can't witness everything.

It is not hard to know what a candidate stands for or what they are doing or will do and see the results of their actions if you invest the time to research.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Ron,

The most important invention of mankind is the wheel.
Then came the next most important invention of mankind,
which is bureaucracy. It is bureaucracy that gave us
the 5-man hunting club - the means of gathering meat for
the tribe. Men conspiring with other men in order to
bring food to the table. See how that works? This is not
a conspiracy theory, but an actual conspiracy.

Not a conspiracy theory or conspiracy, but pure BS.

What you are describing is socialism, not cooperation. And it has never worked in the history of mankind.

It works very well. Even before the time you were born.

Your "5-man hunting club" is nothing more than 5 hungry men while the man who actually works and gets rewarded for his efforts gets the food.

This is what happens when five idiots try to go hunting,
and why rules matter -

https://outdoorlawyer.com/hunting-club-lawsuits-happen/



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Hello Dennis,

It's not a conspiracy.

You are right. It's just a theory.

It's a term used to describe the power structure in government
institutions.

It's getting better as we go.

I don't know what storybook version of politics you subscribe to,

but
in the real world, institutions have complex power structures DK>and

their

own management and agency.

True, but that doesn't make a "deep state".

That is what the "deep state" is. It is the additional powers and

layers
o

f

beaurocracy that influence our nation.

Bureaucracy is the greatest invention of mankind (next to the
invention of the wheel). Without it, mankind never would have
been able to come together as the five-man hunting club. And
then nobody would have had anything to eat.

The president doesn't just get to do what he likes,

I never suggested otherwise.

and get any information they like.

The president of the USA has plenty of info available to him

provided

by intelligence agencies.

They need to cooperation of all the other organisations that work

for
and with the government.

True again.

It's common knowledge dude.

The "deep state" is a common conspiracy theory.

I just described how it works, you AGREE, then you say its a

conspiracy

theory.

The most important invention of mankind is the wheel.
Then came the next most important invention of mankind,
which is bureaucracy. It is bureaucracy that gave us
the 5-man hunting club - the means of gathering meat for
the tribe. Men conspiring with other men in order to
bring food to the table. See how that works? This is not
a conspiracy theory, but an actual conspiracy.

Now, I realize that women might disagree. Claiming that
it was women who gathered the meat, and men who took care
of the babies ...

--Lee

--
When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

Is there anyting in your rambling that tried to present itself as an actual
point or argument?

I, Robot
The story of the rise of the machine and the decline of man
which paradoxically coincided with his discovery of the wheel
and a warning that his brief dominance of this planet will
probably end, because man tried to create robot in his own image.

This would never have happened had it not been for bureaucracy.

What next, the statement that political parties have their own political agends is a "Conspiracy theory" too?

Of course it is. There is no mention of political parties in the US Constitution. And George Washington (the founder of our country) was
no party.

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Ron Lauzon wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Dennis Katsonis wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

To argue that government agencies don't have their own organisational politics which
shapes how they run is a denial of basic reality.

Lefties are in complete denial of human nature period.

These are the same people who think that if you give a bunch of elites power that they will "do the right thing and not abuse it."

These are the same people who think that we don't really need the
police because people are all good. The "bad" ones are just poor. If
we gave them some food and money they would be nice.

They seem to have a simplistic view of the world where the President is able to see everything, controls every beaurocrat. Its not just weird, its ahistorical. That leaders have had to work around the government apparatus and wrestle with them is very well known.


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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Sat Nov 21 2020 01:08 pm

To argue that government agencies don't have their own organisational politics which shapes how they run is a denial of basic reality.

I have made no such argument. I simply said that the "deep state" was a conspiracy theory.

That you've fallen for that media line shows how frighteningly gullible people are. If CNN claimed that statements about the existence of the Anglican church as a "conspiracy theory", would you buy that too?

I have not fallen for CNN's claims or the churches, or yours.

What part of the conspiracy is false? What specific claims about the "Deep State" do you think are false?

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Damon Getsman wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Sat Nov 21 2020 13:08:00

To argue that government agencies don't have their own organisational politics which
shapes how they run is a denial of basic reality.

That you've fallen for that media line shows how frighteningly gullible people are. If CNN claimed that statements about the existence of the Anglican church as a "conspiracy theory", would you buy that too?

I agree with you completely.
I've always explained some of the deeper deep state concepts like
this: when you learn to play king of the hill as a kid, the name of the game is staying on top. If you obtain a position of power in your employment, social, or civic life, your goal is to, again, 'stay on
top'. If your corporation occupies a position of dominance among competetors or a political advantage, its goal is to 'stay on top'.
Others with the same goal will work together to forward their ends.
Thus the financial sector and its interests, as per common logic, certainly fall under the definition of 'conspiracy', when it comes to their ties with government.
Of course this is going a little bit deeper than employees and their
own cultures into the alleged 'deep state' (the financial interests in government, I mean), but the same point lies at pretty much all levels, from individual, to corporate, to office, etc, etc...

It's actually simpler than that. You're a leader, you wan't something done. You don't actually have minions that are subservient to you to do whatever you like. You have to get agencies and government beaurocracies to do it.

Lets say you are the president, and people within a government agency, lets call it the See Eye Aye, they think the government should take military action against The Rock. People working within that agency want to appease their bosses, comply with the company culture, get promoted, so there is a bias towards serving information which, lets just say means they tend to bias the evidence the present towards one which justifies war.

Or lets say another simply makes it difficult or the president, because perhaps they think they are better served with the opposition. That is the Deep State.

But apparently, that this happen is a "conspiracy", go figure.
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Dennis Katsonis wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

They seem to have a simplistic view of the world where the President is able to see everything, controls every beaurocrat.

That's what they are taught. "Just let the leaders (who are far smarter than you) run your live. They will 'keep you safe'. Just give up your rights (and guns)."

I've said before that there are 3 groups of people who like what the Dems
are trying to do:
1. The power hungry - because they will have far more power than they should. 2. The Elites - because they think that they can run things better than the "average" person and they are naive enough to think that the power hungry will allow them to implement their ideas.
3. The lazy and stupid - who actually fall for the promises of the above.

The Left has been working hard to make the lazy and stupid a bigger and bigger part of our society. They are, as Hitler put it, useful idiots.


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Tue Dec 08 2020 09:35 pm

What part of the conspiracy is false? What specific claims about the "Deep State" do you think are false?

All of it. Why don't you tell me what parts of it you think are true?

The "deep state" has a long history but the modern version of it was spouted by Donald Trump shortly after he was elected because he said some were secretly working to block his policies and agenda.

His policies and agenda were not wanted or supported and that is why so many were/are against him.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Tue Dec 08 2020 09:35 pm

What part of the conspiracy is false? What specific claims about the "Deep State" do you think are false?

All of it. Why don't you tell me what parts of it you think are true?

The "deep state" has a long history but the modern version of it was spouted by Donald Trump shortly after he was elected because he said
some were secretly working to block his policies and agenda.

His policies and agenda were not wanted or supported and that is why so many were/are against him.

Why don't you tell us what you think the Deep State actually is? It seems you believe it to be something completely different.

You can't just say its a "conspiracy theory", without actually stating specifically what you think is false. So far, you haven't actually made any valid claims.


By the way, perhaps apropos, here is an example.

youtube.com/watch?v=NcR-ykPkJhU

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Why don't you tell us what you think the Deep State actually is? It seems you believe it to be something completely different.

I never said the deep state was anything to look at, you did so you tell us all about it.

You can't just say its a "conspiracy theory", without actually stating specifically what you think is false. So far, you haven't actually made any valid claims.

Yes, I can tell you matter of fact the deep state is a conspiracy theory.

If you believe otherwise that's your choice.

By the way, perhaps apropos, here is an example.

youtube.com/watch?v=NcR-ykPkJhU

The Epoch Times is a far right propaganda machine that promotes various conspiracy theories like the deep state and QAnon. I won't be reading/viewing any of that.

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Why don't you tell us what you think the Deep State actually is? It seems you >believe it to be something completely different.

He can't explain it. He's been told it doesn't exist and is a "conspiracy"
and that is what he wants to believe.


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Mike Powell to DENNIS KATSONIS on Wed Dec 09 2020 01:38 pm

Why don't you tell us what you think the Deep State actually is? It
seems you believe it to be something completely different.

He can't explain it. He's been told it doesn't exist and is a "conspiracy" and that is what he wants to believe.

I have already explained it. It's not a matter of wanting anything. The deep state is a well known conspiracy theory.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Why don't you tell us what you think the Deep State actually is? It seems you believe it to be something completely different.

I never said the deep state was anything to look at, you did so you
tell us all about it.

You can't just say its a "conspiracy theory", without actually stating specifically what you think is false. So far, you haven't actually made any valid claims.

Yes, I can tell you matter of fact the deep state is a conspiracy
theory.

If you believe otherwise that's your choice.

By the way, perhaps apropos, here is an example.

youtube.com/watch?v=NcR-ykPkJhU

The Epoch Times is a far right propaganda machine that promotes various conspiracy theories like the deep state and QAnon. I won't be reading/viewing any of that.

I have stated what the Deep State is. You believe that my statements are a "conspiracy theory".

You are literally stating that the idea that organisations have their own internal politics and biases is a "Conspiracy Theory".

That is just dumb. Or you are desperate and trying to pass of incredible lies, lies of the order of saying that the sky is not blue.

You, like many others, have simply lost your mind. This is not a rational discussion.


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Mike Powell wrote to DENNIS KATSONIS <=-

Why don't you tell us what you think the Deep State actually is? It seems you
believe it to be something completely different.

He can't explain it. He's been told it doesn't exist and is a "conspiracy" and that is what he wants to believe.

He, like many others are hoping that merely saying "Conspiracy Theory" is enough, without having to explain, or even BEGIN to explain, what about the "Conspiracy theory" is actually wrong.

I don't mind arguing with people who are wrong. But he is not only not right, he's not even wrong. His argument is sophistry, nothing more.

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Dennis Katsonis wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

Why don't you tell us what you think the Deep State actually is? It
seems you believe it to be something completely different.

Lefties like to redefine terms to match their arguments.

Trying to get a Leftie to nail down a definition is like trying to nail
jelly to the wall.


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Thu Dec 10 2020 09:13 pm

I have stated what the Deep State is. You believe that my statements are a "conspiracy theory".

The deep state is a conspiracy theory, not your statements.

You are literally stating that the idea that organisations have their own internal politics and biases is a "Conspiracy Theory".

No, I am simply saying the deep state is a conspiracy theory. I'm not talking any organisation or their internal politics.

That is just dumb. Or you are desperate and trying to pass of incredible lies, lies of the order of saying that the sky is not blue.

The colour of the sky has not been brought up. If you want to believe the deep state is real, you are welcome to do that.

Ttyl :-),
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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Mike Powell on Thu Dec 10 2020 09:15 pm

His argument is sophistry, nothing more.

That's an interesting word you brought us but it is misplaced.

I am simply (trying) to point out to you that the deep state is well known conspiracy theory.

It is a baseless lie.

You can carry on with it if you choose, I really don't mind.

Ttyl :-),
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He can't explain it. He's been told it doesn't exist and is a "conspiracy"
and that is what he wants to believe.

I have already explained it. It's not a matter of wanting anything. The deep st
te is a well known conspiracy theory.

And as we discussed before, "just because your paranoid...," just because something is labeled as a conspiracy theory does not mean there is not some truth to it.

Trying to explain it away with "it is a conspiracy theory because it is a conspiracy theory" is a dismissive non-explanation. Saying that "everyone" calls it one and that makes it so is also a dismissive non-explanation.

Explain what you think is/are the hole(s) in the theory and what makes it a conspiracy. Prove my "he can't explain it" statement wrong.


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Thu Dec 10 2020 01:55 pm

And as we discussed before, "just because your paranoid...," just because something is labeled as a conspiracy theory does not mean there is not some truth to it.

Yes, I understand you. I just don't want to get into a discussion based on a conspiracy theory. That's why my comment was short and sweet.

Explain what you think is/are the hole(s) in the theory and what makes it a conspiracy. Prove my "he can't explain it" statement wrong.

I have no time for such explanations. If you would like to banter about a conspiracy theory have at at. I don't want to stop you, or join you.

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And as we discussed before, "just because your paranoid...," just because >MP> something is labeled as a conspiracy theory does not mean there is not >MP> some truth to it.

Yes, I understand you. I just don't want to get into a discussion based on a co
spiracy theory. That's why my comment was short and sweet.

Explain what you think is/are the hole(s) in the theory and what makes it >MP> a conspiracy. Prove my "he can't explain it" statement wrong.

I have no time for such explanations. If you would like to banter about a consp
racy theory have at at. I don't want to stop you, or join you.

I stand by my "because you can't" statement.


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I have stated what the Deep State is. You believe that my statements are "conspiracy theory".

The deep state is a conspiracy theory, not your statements.

I had this issue with him before when discussing the organization that does
not exist but has been setting fires to US cities over the Summer. If you
call it something else, he will admit it exists. Use the term that most
people call it, or call it a leftist group, and it is a conspiracy that he still cannot explain the falacies of.


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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Fri Dec 11 2020 10:34 am

I stand by my "because you can't" statement.

Stand anywhere you like, there is plenty of room.

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Alan Ianson wrote to Dennis Katsonis <=-

Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Mike Powell on Thu Dec 10 2020 09:15 pm

His argument is sophistry, nothing more.

That's an interesting word you brought us but it is misplaced.

I am simply (trying) to point out to you that the deep state is well
known conspiracy theory.

It is a baseless lie.

You can carry on with it if you choose, I really don't mind.

You clearly do not know what you are talking about. You are unable to even state what you think the deep state is. This tells me you don' even know, and you are just blindly parrotting someone elses talking points.

You don't know what you are talking about, and I mean that LITERALLY.

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Mike Powell wrote to DENNIS KATSONIS <=-

I have stated what the Deep State is. You believe that my statements

are

"conspiracy theory".

The deep state is a conspiracy theory, not your statements.

I had this issue with him before when discussing the organization that does not exist but has been setting fires to US cities over the Summer.
If you call it something else, he will admit it exists. Use the term that most people call it, or call it a leftist group, and it is a conspiracy that he still cannot explain the falacies of.

He is what we in Australia would call a shit-stirrer. Just trying to rile people up, cause trouble, with no intention of engaging in any actual honest argument. Sadly, he is not unrepresentative of that type of political persuasion.

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Sat Dec 12 2020 01:15 pm

You clearly do not know what you are talking about. You are unable to even state what you think the deep state is. This tells me you don' even know, and you are just blindly parrotting someone elses talking points.

What I know or don't know is not at issue. I am simply not going to get into a back and forth about a conspiracy theory with you or anyone else.

There is a CONSPRCY area down the hall where we could banter back and forth about whatever conspiracy or theory we want. That would be a better place to go on about conspiracies than here.

You don't know what you are talking about, and I mean that LITERALLY.

I am telling you what I know about the "deep state", LITERALLY.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Mike Powell on Sat Dec 12 2020 01:17 pm

He is what we in Australia would call a shit-stirrer. Just trying to rile people up, cause trouble, with no intention of engaging in any actual honest argument. Sadly, he is not unrepresentative of that type of political persuasion.

What shit have I caused and how have I riled up anyone?

I simply pointed out that the deep state is a conspiracy theory and that I wouldn't join such a discussion.

You are free to discuss it with anyone at all.

I asked you what it was about the deep state that you found valid/truthful and you have said nothing. If you tell us your thoughts I might reply. Probably not but I might.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan,

You clearly do not know what you are talking about. You are unable to

even DK> state what you think the deep state is. This tells me you don'
even know, DK> and you are just blindly parrotting someone elses talking points.

What I know or don't know is not at issue. I am simply not going to get into
a back and forth about a conspiracy theory with you or anyone else.

There is a CONSPRCY area down the hall where we could banter back and forth
about whatever conspiracy or theory we want. That would be a better place
to go on about conspiracies than here.

You, Dennis, and all others are aways welcome to participate.

Lee Lofaso, Moderator
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(annointed by Steve Asher, previous Moderator)

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Revised: 2015-10-22

Any student of CONSPRCY should already know the
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They are:

1. There are no Rules.

2. See Rule number 1.

If anyone ever tells you that there is a certain
formula for CONSPRCY or a definite method of engaging
in CONSPRCY, then that person does not know about
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does not know what he/she/it is talking about.

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He is what we in Australia would call a shit-stirrer. Just trying to rile people up, cause trouble, with no intention of engaging in any actual honest argument. Sadly, he is not unrepresentative of that type of political persuasion.

I dunno. We have one or two of those here, but I tend to think of Al as
just strongly misinformed. Like he has bad information and sticks strongly
to it. I am so far convinced that he believes what he says.


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You clearly do not know what you are talking about. You are unable to even >DK> state what you think the deep state is. This tells me you don' even know, >DK> and you are just blindly parrotting someone elses talking points.

What I know or don't know is not at issue. I am simply not going to get into a >ack and forth about a conspiracy theory with you or anyone else.

It is at issue if you are trying to discuss it. Someone mentioned the Deep State. You said it was a conspiracy theory and could therefore be
discounted. Up until you made such statements, what you know or don't was indeed not at issue. Once you did make that statement, your voluntarily entered the discussion and voluntarily opened yourself up to having what you know or don't questioned.

So far, beyond saying (paraphrase), "it's a conspiracy theory because it is
a conspiracy theory," you've not explained what parts of it (beyond "all of it") that you believe to be false.

There is a CONSPRCY area down the hall where we could banter back and forth abo
t whatever conspiracy or theory we want. That would be a better place to go on >bout conspiracies than here.

As the moderator here, I see its relevence to current politics and am inclined to let this discussion continue. However, it would be easy enough to prevent
it from continuing by ceasing to respond.

You don't know what you are talking about, and I mean that LITERALLY.

I am telling you what I know about the "deep state", LITERALLY.

So, "it's a conspiracy theory because it's a conspiracy theory," is
literally what you know about it. I can accept that.


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Re: Explain it to me
By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Sat Dec 12 2020 02:54 pm

There is a CONSPRCY area down the hall where we could banter back and
forth about whatever conspiracy or theory we want. That would be a
better place to go on about conspiracies than here.

You, Dennis, and all others are aways welcome to participate.

I have the area connected here. I think it's connected, but it doesn't get a lot of traffic.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Mike Powell to ALAN IANSON on Sat Dec 12 2020 10:00 am

It is at issue if you are trying to discuss it. Someone mentioned the Deep State. You said it was a conspiracy theory and could therefore be discounted. Up until you made such statements, what you know or don't was indeed not at issue.

No, I'm not trying to discuss it. Someone presented a conspiracy theory as though it were fact and I told them their fact was no fact.

Once you did make that statement, your voluntarily entered the discussion and voluntarily opened yourself up to having what you know or don't questioned.

Another conspiracy theory! Just because I tell someone to get their facts in order does not mean I will engage in a conspiracy theory.

I actually don't mind discussing a conspiracy theory (if I have the time) but I wouldn't try to pass it as factual information.

As of today I don't know what Dennis was getting at, since he hasn't said. If he does I may or may not engage further.

So far, beyond saying (paraphrase), "it's a conspiracy theory because it is a conspiracy theory," you've not explained what parts of it (beyond "all of it") that you believe to be false.

It's a well known (today) conspiracy theory. These non facts make it hard to have a meaningful discussion. That is the simple reason I prefer not to go their.

As the moderator here, I see its relevence to current politics and am inclined to let this discussion continue. However, it would be easy enough to prevent it from continuing by ceasing to respond.

You and others can go ahead and discuss whatever you like.

I don't mind bullshit, and I can bullshit with the best of them although I don't try to pass bullshit as fact as seems to be all the rage today.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Mike Powell to DENNIS KATSONIS on Sat Dec 12 2020 09:51 am

I dunno. We have one or two of those here, but I tend to think of Al as just strongly misinformed. Like he has bad information and sticks strongly to it. I am so far convinced that he believes what he says.

I say what I believe and I believe what I say. I am opinionated just as we all are but I am not closed minded. It's possible you or others could change my mind if you present facts that show my thinking to be wrong or misguided.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan,

There is a CONSPRCY area down the hall where we could banter back and >>>forth about whatever conspiracy or theory we want. That would be a
better place to go on about conspiracies than here.

You, Dennis, and all others are aways welcome to participate.

I have the area connected here. I think it's connected, but it doesn't get a
lot of traffic.

Donald J. Trump has been sent an open invitation to participate.
Along with all his zillions of followers. That should be enough to
pick up traffic quite a bit. Hope it doesn't crash your system.

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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Alan Ianson to Dennis Katsonis on Fri Dec 11 2020 19:20:57

I am telling you what I know about the "deep state", LITERALLY.

Which it turns out is absolutely nothing, because you have not been able to demonstrate otherwise.
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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Alan Ianson to Dennis Katsonis on Fri Dec 11 2020 19:32:37

He is what we in Australia would call a shit-stirrer. Just trying to rile people up, cause trouble, with no intention of engaging in any actual honest argument. Sadly, he is not unrepresentative of that type of political persuasion.

What shit have I caused and how have I riled up anyone?

I simply pointed out that the deep state is a conspiracy theory and that I wouldn't join such a discussion.

You are free to discuss it with anyone at all.

I asked you what it was about the deep state that you found valid/truthful and you have said nothing. If you tell us your thoughts I might reply. Probably not but I might.

I explained to you, multiple times now, what the deep state is. That the "Deep State" is just a wierd sounding phrase for what is a matter-of-fact reality that below the government are institutions with their own dynamics. You are saying this fact is a "conspiracy theory", but didn't state WHY you don't believe that government agencies and other institutions would not have their own internal politics.

The "Deep State" is just a term of what is a well known fact. You seem to think it is something else, but what the "something else" is, you won't say. You refuse to.

You are either a shit-stirrer, or incapable of following a rational train of though. I know one when I see one, and you are one. Or, you are parrotting nonsense from the "mainstream news", and have realised that it is indefensible nonsense with no argument behind it and hoping just repeating "it is bunk" is
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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Mike Powell to DENNIS KATSONIS on Sat Dec 12 2020 09:51:00

I dunno. We have one or two of those here, but I tend to think of Al as just strongly misinformed. Like he has bad information and sticks strongly to it. I am so far convinced that he believes what he says.

He is not misinformed. He is either a troublemaker or irrational. Misinformed would imply he has a WRONG idea about what the Deep State is. He hasn't even gotten far enough to be wrong, because that would imply he has some idea of what is wrong with the conspiracy theory, or an different view of what "Deep State" means. AS he has failed to elucidate how it is wrong, it is clear he doesn't know what he is saying.

Just saying "it is a conspiracy theory" is not an argument.
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Re: Re: Explain it to me
By: Dennis Katsonis to Alan Ianson on Mon Dec 14 2020 12:48 am

I am telling you what I know about the "deep state", LITERALLY.

Which it turns out is absolutely nothing, because you have not been able to demonstrate otherwise.

I am not trying to demonstrate otherwise. I have nothing to prove.

You can talk about the deep state or anything else you like with whoever you choose. It's just not going to ne me.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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He is not misinformed. He is either a troublemaker or irrational. Misinformed
would imply he has a WRONG idea about what the Deep State is. He hasn't even g
tten far enough to be wrong, because that would imply he has some idea of what >s wrong with the conspiracy theory, or an different view of what "Deep State" m
ans. AS he has failed to elucidate how it is wrong, it is clear he doesn't kno
what he is saying.

I am starting to agree with you.

Just saying "it is a conspiracy theory" is not an argument.

Agreed for sure, it feels like a "because I said so" argument. He says
that worrying about China training in Canada for winter warfare is nothing
to worry about because he says so. That sure makes me feel better about it.

Sorry, I think I forgot to use the <sarcasm> tag on that last bit. :)


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Mike Powell wrote to DENNIS KATSONIS <=-

He is not misinformed. He is either a troublemaker or irrational. Misinformed

would imply he has a WRONG idea about what the Deep State is. He hasn't even g

tten far enough to be wrong, because that would imply he has some idea of what
s wrong with the conspiracy theory, or an different view of what "Deep State" m

ans. AS he has failed to elucidate how it is wrong, it is clear he doesn't kno

what he is saying.

I am starting to agree with you.

Just saying "it is a conspiracy theory" is not an argument.

Agreed for sure, it feels like a "because I said so" argument. He says that worrying about China training in Canada for winter warfare is
nothing to worry about because he says so. That sure makes me feel
better about it.

Sorry, I think I forgot to use the <sarcasm> tag on that last bit. :)

I think it is a "Because MSNBC/CNN said so" argument.

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