Hi all,

I have a user on my board who is trying to post to the WHAT'S_HOT! echo. He claims he can see traffic on another board. When I checked, that board is in Zone 2 (Finland). I have never had any traffic in that echo.

Now, not exactly familiar with how passing messages between echoes in different zones work so after some advice on where to track down the disconnect, if there is one.

I hope this is the right forum for my question.

Thanks,
Nigel
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On 06 Nov 20 13:07:03, Nigel Reed said the following to All:

Now, not exactly familiar with how passing messages between echoes in different zones work so after some advice on where to track down the disconnect, if there is one.

If I understand correctly, then I'd check the PATH and SEEN-BY lines.

Nick

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Hello Nigel,

Now, not exactly familiar with how passing messages between echoes in different zones work so after some advice on where to track down the disconnect, if there is one.

I'm not sure if there is a disconnect at all but you are welcome to connect here.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Nigel!

Friday November 06 2020 13:07, you wrote to All:

Hi all,

I have a user on my board who is trying to post to the WHAT'S_HOT!
echo. He claims he can see traffic on another board. When I checked,
that board is in Zone 2 (Finland). I have never had any traffic in
that echo.

Now, not exactly familiar with how passing messages between echoes in different zones work so after some advice on where to track down the disconnect, if there is one.

I hope this is the right forum for my question.

Same request has come to me and I am checking with Janis's star system to check
if I am connected and if not to do so.

I am 'assuming' that it is on the Fido echo list though.

Vincent

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Re: Re: Zone 2 > Zone 1 echoes
By: Nick Andre to Nigel Reed on Fri Nov 06 2020 18:32:49

Now, not exactly familiar with how passing messages between echoes in different zones work so after some advice on where to track down the disconnect, if there is one.

If I understand correctly, then I'd check the PATH and SEEN-BY lines.

Well, nothing gets here or to my hub from that zone 2 echo so I expect I'm only likely to see zone 2 stuff in the PATH and SEEN-BY but I can take a look.
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Re: Re: Zone 2 > Zone 1 echoes
By: Nick Andre to Nigel Reed on Fri Nov 06 2020 18:32:49

Now, not exactly familiar with how passing messages between echoes in different zones work so after some advice on where to track down the disconnect, if there is one.

If I understand correctly, then I'd check the PATH and SEEN-BY lines.

I don't suppose the reason the group isn't being propagated to zone 1 is because it doesn't exist on your system? I logged in and checked and it seems you don't have WHAT'S_HOT!
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On 08 Nov 20 21:55:45, Nigel Reed said the following to Nick Andre:

If I understand correctly, then I'd check the PATH and SEEN-BY lines.

I don't suppose the reason the group isn't being propagated to zone 1 is because it doesn't exist on your system? I logged in and checked and it see you don't have WHAT'S_HOT!

I am not responsible for the distribution of Echomail in Zone 1, I only peer with other systems just like you do.

Nick

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Vincent wrote:

Hello Nigel!

Friday November 06 2020 13:07, you wrote to All:

Hi all,

I have a user on my board who is trying to post to the WHAT'S_HOT!
echo. He claims he can see traffic on another board. When I checked,
that board is in Zone 2 (Finland). I have never had any traffic in
that echo.

Now, not exactly familiar with how passing messages between echoes in different zones work so after some advice on where to track down the disconnect, if there is one.

I hope this is the right forum for my question.

Same request has come to me and I am checking with Janis's star system to check
if I am connected and if not to do so.

I am 'assuming' that it is on the Fido echo list though.

According to EL200834.ZIP from http://www.wiamail.de/bbsfiles/Echolist.Htm
then yes, WHAT'S_HOT! does exist. Dated 28 Aug 2020

TAGname: WHAT'S_HOT! Group: FIDO

TITLe: What's Hot And What's Not.

Lang: ENGLISH

DESCription:
Echo for the discussion of news stories, articles, and events.
Articles and stories of any topic can be imported and then
discussed. Posted stories and articles must be accompanied by
their source URL.

RULEs: {Not Found}

MODerator: Andrew Leary, 1:320/219@fidonet
Email: ajleary19@gmail.com

ORIGIN: 1:320/219

RESTrictions: /REAL {REAL Names ONLY}

DISTribution: All Zones

GATEway: None

From: Andrew Leary, 1:320/219@fidonet
Email: ajleary19@gmail.com

Updated on: 2020/06/13 and expires latest 2020/12/31
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Vincent wrote:

Same request has come to me and I am checking with Janis's star system to check
if I am connected and if not to do so.

I forgot to mention, it looks like my hub is using Nick's server now rather than Janis's. That's why I wondered if the echo not being on his board would cause the issue, or maybe it's just not being routed to zone 1 for some
reason.
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Re: Re: Zone 2 > Zone 1 echoes
By: Nick Andre to Nigel Reed on Mon Nov 09 2020 02:34:14

I am not responsible for the distribution of Echomail in Zone 1, I only peer with other systems just like you do.

Ah ok. Being Z1C I thought that'd be your job. See how little I know. So, whose job is it, if any?
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Re: Re: Zone 2 > Zone 1 echoes
By: Nick Andre to Nigel Reed on Fri Nov 06 2020 18:32:49

Now, not exactly familiar with how passing messages between echoes in different zones work so after some advice on where to track down the disconnect, if there is one.

If I understand correctly, then I'd check the PATH and SEEN-BY lines.

I'm not sure this really helps much. Al (1:153/757) replied to my posting in WHAT'S_HOT! on 2:221/360

Path: JamNNTPd!not-for-mail
From: "Alan Ianson : Nigel Reed" <0@757.153.1>
To: Nigel Reed
X-Comment-To: Nigel Reed
Newsgroups: fido.what's_hot!
Subject: Now available..this echo on Telegram
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2020 19:36:00 -0800
Message-ID: <26$fido.what's_hot!@JamNNTPd>
X-JAM-From: Alan Ianson <1:153/757>
X-JAM-To: Nigel Reed
X-JAM-REPLYID: 2:221/360 2d51a6d1
X-JAM-MSGID: 1:153/757 5fa76872
X-JAM-FTSKLUDGE: CHRS: UTF-8 2
X-JAM-TZUTCINFO: -0800
X-JAM-FTSKLUDGE: TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 2020-10-26
X-JAM-SEENBY2D: 153/757 221/0 1 6 360 240/1120 423/81 460/58
X-JAM-PATH2D: 153/757 221/6 1
X-JAM-Attributes: Read TypeEcho
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm sure the PATH and SEENBY lines mean something to someone.
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On 09 Nov 20 13:16:30, Nigel Reed said the following to Nick Andre:

I am not responsible for the distribution of Echomail in Zone 1, I only peer with other systems just like you do.

Ah ok. Being Z1C I thought that'd be your job. See how little I know. So, whose job is it, if any?

Simple explanation... "nobody" these days.

Anyone can create an echo and grow it through word-of-mouth and have many systems peering and meshing together to have it distributed everywhere. If I don't have your echo, its likely only because it hasn't been brought to my attention to carry it or peer with someone who has it.

Nick

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On 09 Nov 20 13:48:51, Nigel Reed said the following to Nick Andre:

I'm not sure this really helps much. Al (1:153/757) replied to my posting i WHAT'S_HOT! on 2:221/360

Try posting another test there now.

Nick

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Hello Nigel,

Monday November 09 2020 13:16, you wrote to Nick Andre:

Ah ok. Being Z1C I thought that'd be your job. See how little I know.
So, whose job is it, if any?

You need to re-read Policy 4 as the ZC's job, along with the RC's and NC's jobs, are clearly defined in it. The ZC is basically a glorified nodelist creator, that's it. It's your NC's and RC's job to deal with echomail problems.

Later,
Sean

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Hello Nick,

Monday November 09 2020 15:00, you wrote to Nigel Reed:

Anyone can create an echo and grow it through word-of-mouth and have
many systems peering and meshing together to have it distributed everywhere. If I don't have your echo, its likely only because it
hasn't been brought to my attention to carry it or peer with someone
who has it.

Ever since Fidonet mail distribution went onto the Internet basically full-time, it's just been barely controlled chaos with the echoes but you're absolutely right about peering with others to carry an echo. Most sysops in Fidonet these days don't realize that echomail is an add-on to Fidonet and that netmail is what Fidonet was really about.

Later,
Sean

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On 09 Nov 20 16:05:47, Sean Dennis said the following to Nick Andre:

Ever since Fidonet mail distribution went onto the Internet basically full-time, it's just been barely controlled chaos with the echoes but you'r absolutely right about peering with others to carry an echo. Most sysops i Fidonet these days don't realize that echomail is an add-on to Fidonet and that netmail is what Fidonet was really about.

I'll admit I joined way back when for Echomail but I quickly made many friends and carried on lengthly convo's by Netmail.

Nick

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Hello Nigel!

Monday November 09 2020 12:42, you wrote to me:

Just being in the ECHOLIST does not mean that it is on the backbone only some one has registered it so it can be.


So far no one has put their hand up to these two :)


V.

Vincent wrote:

Hello Nigel!

Friday November 06 2020 13:07, you wrote to All:

Hi all,

I have a user on my board who is trying to post to the

WHAT'S_HOT!

echo. He claims he can see traffic on another board. When I

checked,

that board is in Zone 2 (Finland). I have never had any traffic

in

that echo.

Now, not exactly familiar with how passing messages between

echoes in

different zones work so after some advice on where to track down

the

disconnect, if there is one.

I hope this is the right forum for my question.

Same request has come to me and I am checking with Janis's star
system to check if I am connected and if not to do so.

I am 'assuming' that it is on the Fido echo list though.

According to EL200834.ZIP from
http://www.wiamail.de/bbsfiles/Echolist.Htm then yes, WHAT'S_HOT! does exist. Dated 28 Aug 2020

TAGname: WHAT'S_HOT! Group: FIDO

TITLe: What's Hot And What's Not.

Lang: ENGLISH

DESCription:
Echo for the discussion of news stories, articles, and events.
Articles and stories of any topic can be imported and then
discussed. Posted stories and articles must be accompanied by
their source URL.

RULEs: {Not Found}

MODerator: Andrew Leary, 1:320/219@fidonet
Email: ajleary19@gmail.com

ORIGIN: 1:320/219

RESTrictions: /REAL {REAL Names ONLY}

DISTribution: All Zones

GATEway: None

From: Andrew Leary, 1:320/219@fidonet
Email: ajleary19@gmail.com

Updated on: 2020/06/13 and expires latest 2020/12/31

Vincent

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Hello Nigel!

Monday November 09 2020 13:48, you wrote to Nick Andre:

I'm not sure this really helps much. Al (1:153/757) replied to my
posting in WHAT'S_HOT! on 2:221/360

Path: JamNNTPd!not-for-mail
From: "Alan Ianson : Nigel Reed" <0@757.153.1>
To: Nigel Reed
X-Comment-To: Nigel Reed
Newsgroups: fido.what's_hot!
Subject: Now available..this echo on Telegram
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2020 19:36:00 -0800
Message-ID: <26$fido.what's_hot!@JamNNTPd>
X-JAM-From: Alan Ianson <1:153/757>
X-JAM-To: Nigel Reed
X-JAM-REPLYID: 2:221/360 2d51a6d1
X-JAM-MSGID: 1:153/757 5fa76872
X-JAM-FTSKLUDGE: CHRS: UTF-8 2
X-JAM-TZUTCINFO: -0800
X-JAM-FTSKLUDGE: TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 2020-10-26
X-JAM-SEENBY2D: 153/757 221/0 1 6 360 240/1120 423/81 460/58
X-JAM-PATH2D: 153/757 221/6 1
X-JAM-Attributes: Read TypeEcho
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=fixed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm sure the PATH and SEENBY lines mean something to someone.

Does not look if it has been on a backbone system as near as I can tell - unless some one knows different.

Vincent

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On 11-09-20 16:05, Sean Dennis <=-
spoke to Nick Andre about Zone 2 > Zone 1 echoes <=-

Ever since Fidonet mail distribution went onto the Internet basically full- time, it's just been barely controlled chaos with the
echoes but you're absolutely right about peering with

True -- If one wants to receive an echo, they have to ask for it at some
place that carries it. If one has an echo they want to get further distribution, they need to advertise it (such as this discussion does).

others to carry an echo. Most sysops in Fidonet these days
don't realize that echomail is an add-on to Fidonet and
that netmail is what Fidonet was really about.

For some of us, echomail is the only reason to be in Fidonet. I have
very little use of netmail and still have every netmail sent or received
in my data base. Probably less than 1000 over the span of 25+years.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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Re: Re: Zone 2 > Zone 1 echoes
By: Nick Andre to Nigel Reed on Mon Nov 09 2020 15:00:42

Anyone can create an echo and grow it through word-of-mouth and have many systems peering and meshing together to have it distributed everywhere. If I don't have your echo, its likely only because it hasn't been brought to my attention to carry it or peer with someone who has it.

Would you please add WHAT'S_HOT! and see if that helps? That might be all we need since it's on my hub who connects to you.

Thanks,
Nigel
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Re: Zone 2 > Zone 1 echoes
By: Sean Dennis to Nigel Reed on Mon Nov 09 2020 16:03:52

You need to re-read Policy 4 as the ZC's job, along with the RC's and NC's jobs, are clearly defined in it. The ZC is basically a glorified nodelist creator, that's it. It's your NC's and RC's job to deal with echomail problems.

I will consider myself educated. Thank you.
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On 09 Nov 20 23:52:21, Nigel Reed said the following to Nick Andre:

Would you please add WHAT'S_HOT! and see if that helps? That might be all w need since it's on my hub who connects to you.

Done and appears working.

Nick

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Nick wrote:

On 09 Nov 20 23:52:21, Nigel Reed said the following to Nick Andre:

Would you please add WHAT'S_HOT! and see if that helps? That might be all w
need since it's on my hub who connects to you.

Done and appears working.

It does. Now, we need to go through all the hundreds of echos and see which ones you're missing :)

Would Janis need to add them her system too? I looked at her list and WHAT'S_HOT! appears at the bottom, so I assume you both need the echoes listed for them to filter down to Marc Lewis.
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On 10 Nov 20 13:32:09, Nigel Reed said the following to Nick Andre:

It does. Now, we need to go through all the hundreds of echos and see which ones you're missing :)

I'm personally only interested in carrying echoes that have traffic... and by traffic, areas that have more than just monthly moderator posts.

Nick

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Nick wrote:

On 09 Nov 20 23:52:21, Nigel Reed said the following to Nick Andre:

Would you please add WHAT'S_HOT! and see if that helps? That might be all

w

need since it's on my hub who connects to you.

Done and appears working.

It does. Now, we need to go through all the hundreds of echos and see which ones you're missing :)

Would Janis need to add them her system too? I looked at her list and
WHAT'S_HOT! appears at the bottom, so I assume you both need the echoes listed
for them to filter down to Marc Lewis.

Yes, WHATS_HOT! and the CHAT echo are both added here - I always add new echos over here (or try not to miss them at least <grin>)

The Zone 1 backbone Stars consist of myself, Dallas Hinton and Mark Lewis@1:3634/12. I'll also contact Marc Lewis@1:396/45 to let him know there is a new BACKBONE.NA for him to apply, though he may have taken care of that already.

Take care,
Janis

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Re: Re: Zone 2 > Zone 1 echoes
By: Janis Kracht to Nigel Reed on Wed Nov 11 2020 21:43:22

The Zone 1 backbone Stars consist of myself, Dallas Hinton and Mark Lewis@1:3634/12. I'll also contact Marc Lewis@1:396/45 to let him know there is a new BACKBONE.NA for him to apply, though he may have taken care of that already.

Useful information. Thank you.

Not sure if you can tell from my BBS "End Of The Line", I'd like my BBS to be the place you can go to and find everything you want on any network that's out there.

While I do find the duplication of echoes across the network wasteful, that's more an issue for the network managers, I just provide my users with the options so any way I can make sure I'm getting all the traffic in all the echoes, I'll jump on that chance.

Thanks,
Nigel
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