From Newsgroup: alt.privacy

On 2020-11-21 13:50, }Tom{@nospam.com wrote:

A mix of truth and irrelevanies made to look like a conspiracy.

That's a pretty wild conversion of one thing into a conspiracy rant.

Here's what you may need to know.

https://www.actualtecnologia.com/mac-certificate-check-stokes-fears-that-apple-logs-every-app-you-run/

and

https://blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/
Which debunks a lot of the post you posted... (Surprise! (not really)).

and

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491

Notably:
Gatekeeper performs online checks to verify if an app contains known
malware and whether the developer’s signing certificate is revoked. We
have never combined data from these checks with information about Apple
users or their devices. We do not use data from these checks to learn
what individual users are launching or running on their devices.

Notarization checks if the app contains known malware using an encrypted connection that is resilient to server failures.

These security checks have never included the user’s Apple ID or the identity of their device. To further protect privacy, we have stopped
logging IP addresses associated with Developer ID certificate checks,
and we will ensure that any collected IP addresses are removed from logs.

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Am 22.11.20 um 18:05 schrieb Alan Browne:

On 2020-11-21 13:50, }Tom{@nospam.com wrote:

A mix of truth and irrelevanies made to look like a conspiracy.

That's a pretty wild conversion of one thing into a conspiracy rant.

Here's what you may need to know.

https://www.actualtecnologia.com/mac-certificate-check-stokes-fears-that-apple-logs-every-app-you-run/

and

https://blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/
Which debunks a lot of the post you posted... (Surprise!  (not really)).

and

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491

Notably:
Gatekeeper performs online checks to verify if an app contains known
malware and whether the developer’s signing certificate is revoked. We have never combined data from these checks with information about Apple users or their devices. We do not use data from these checks to learn
what individual users are launching or running on their devices.

Notarization checks if the app contains known malware using an encrypted connection that is resilient to server failures.

These security checks have never included the user’s Apple ID or the identity of their device. To further protect privacy, we have stopped logging IP addresses associated with Developer ID certificate checks,
and we will ensure that any collected IP addresses are removed from logs.

Which naturally means that apple can be trusted with EVERYTHING. If you
are dumb enough to believe them.

It also means that apple is completely outside the law in europe.

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On 2020-11-24 1:31 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:

Am 22.11.20 um 18:05 schrieb Alan Browne:

On 2020-11-21 13:50, }Tom{@nospam.com wrote:

A mix of truth and irrelevanies made to look like a conspiracy.

That's a pretty wild conversion of one thing into a conspiracy rant.

Here's what you may need to know.

https://www.actualtecnologia.com/mac-certificate-check-stokes-fears-that-apple-logs-every-app-you-run/


and

https://blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/
Which debunks a lot of the post you posted... (Surprise!  (not really)).

and

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491

Notably:
Gatekeeper performs online checks to verify if an app contains known
malware and whether the developer’s signing certificate is revoked. We
have never combined data from these checks with information about
Apple users or their devices. We do not use data from these checks to
learn what individual users are launching or running on their devices.

Notarization checks if the app contains known malware using an
encrypted connection that is resilient to server failures.

These security checks have never included the user’s Apple ID or the
identity of their device. To further protect privacy, we have stopped
logging IP addresses associated with Developer ID certificate checks,
and we will ensure that any collected IP addresses are removed from logs.

Which naturally means that apple can be trusted with EVERYTHING. If you
are dumb enough to believe them.

And when have they been shown to play fast and loose with user privacy?

It also means that apple is completely outside the law in europe.

Cite please...

...and in English.
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In message <rpjq0v$k7t$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

On 2020-11-24 1:31 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:

Which naturally means that apple can be trusted with EVERYTHING. If you
are dumb enough to believe them.

And when have they been shown to play fast and loose with user privacy?

Never.

It also means that apple is completely outside the law in europe.

Cite please...

It's an absurd statement.

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Am 24.11.20 um 21:21 schrieb Alan Baker:

On 2020-11-24 1:31 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:

Am 22.11.20 um 18:05 schrieb Alan Browne:

On 2020-11-21 13:50, }Tom{@nospam.com wrote:

A mix of truth and irrelevanies made to look like a conspiracy.

That's a pretty wild conversion of one thing into a conspiracy rant.

Here's what you may need to know.

https://www.actualtecnologia.com/mac-certificate-check-stokes-fears-that-apple-logs-every-app-you-run/


and

https://blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/
Which debunks a lot of the post you posted... (Surprise!  (not really)). >>>
and

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491

Notably:
Gatekeeper performs online checks to verify if an app contains known
malware and whether the developer’s signing certificate is revoked.
We have never combined data from these checks with information about
Apple users or their devices. We do not use data from these checks to
learn what individual users are launching or running on their devices.

Notarization checks if the app contains known malware using an
encrypted connection that is resilient to server failures.

These security checks have never included the user’s Apple ID or the
identity of their device. To further protect privacy, we have stopped
logging IP addresses associated with Developer ID certificate checks,
and we will ensure that any collected IP addresses are removed from
logs.

Which naturally means that apple can be trusted with EVERYTHING. If
you are dumb enough to believe them.

And when have they been shown to play fast and loose with user privacy?

It also means that apple is completely outside the law in europe.

Cite please...

...and in English.

DSGVO (and same laws in EVERY EU country). It is FORBIDDEN to process
personal data without the users knowledge and/or consent. The data apple
is processing there IS considered personal data. No matter if apple is claiming that they don't actually process the data. THAT is completely irrelevant
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On 2020-11-24 1:08 p.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:

Am 24.11.20 um 21:21 schrieb Alan Baker:

On 2020-11-24 1:31 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:

Am 22.11.20 um 18:05 schrieb Alan Browne:

On 2020-11-21 13:50, }Tom{@nospam.com wrote:

A mix of truth and irrelevanies made to look like a conspiracy.

That's a pretty wild conversion of one thing into a conspiracy rant.

Here's what you may need to know.

https://www.actualtecnologia.com/mac-certificate-check-stokes-fears-that-apple-logs-every-app-you-run/


and

https://blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/
Which debunks a lot of the post you posted... (Surprise!  (not
really)).

and

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491

Notably:
Gatekeeper performs online checks to verify if an app contains known
malware and whether the developer’s signing certificate is revoked. >>>> We have never combined data from these checks with information about
Apple users or their devices. We do not use data from these checks
to learn what individual users are launching or running on their
devices.

Notarization checks if the app contains known malware using an
encrypted connection that is resilient to server failures.

These security checks have never included the user’s Apple ID or the >>>> identity of their device. To further protect privacy, we have
stopped logging IP addresses associated with Developer ID
certificate checks, and we will ensure that any collected IP
addresses are removed from logs.

Which naturally means that apple can be trusted with EVERYTHING. If
you are dumb enough to believe them.

And when have they been shown to play fast and loose with user privacy?

It also means that apple is completely outside the law in europe.

Cite please...

...and in English.

DSGVO (and same laws in EVERY EU country). It is FORBIDDEN to process personal data without the users knowledge and/or consent. The data apple
is processing there IS considered personal data. No matter if apple is claiming that they don't actually process the data. THAT is completely irrelevant

What is the definition of "personal data" and how does checking that an
app developer's certificate is valid meet that definition?
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On 2020-11-24 04:31, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

Am 22.11.20 um 18:05 schrieb Alan Browne:

Here's what you may need to know.

https://www.actualtecnologia.com/mac-certificate-check-stokes-fears-that-apple-logs-every-app-you-run/


and

https://blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/
Which debunks a lot of the post you posted... (Surprise!  (not really)).

and

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491

Notably:
Gatekeeper performs online checks to verify if an app contains known
malware and whether the developer’s signing certificate is revoked. We
have never combined data from these checks with information about
Apple users or their devices. We do not use data from these checks to
learn what individual users are launching or running on their devices.

Notarization checks if the app contains known malware using an
encrypted connection that is resilient to server failures.

These security checks have never included the user’s Apple ID or the
identity of their device. To further protect privacy, we have stopped
logging IP addresses associated with Developer ID certificate checks,
and we will ensure that any collected IP addresses are removed from logs.

Which naturally means that apple can be trusted with EVERYTHING.

Oh, the ABSOLUTE challenge. I cringe.... not.

Apple are not in the business of gathering data for re-sale. They sell computers, devices and services that include very high data protections.

They are far more trustworthy than the likes of Google, FB, etc. because
they are not making the user the product.
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On 2020-11-24, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

On 2020-11-24 1:08 p.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:

Am 24.11.20 um 21:21 schrieb Alan Baker:

On 2020-11-24 1:31 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:

It also means that apple is completely outside the law in europe.

Cite please...

...and in English.

DSGVO (and same laws in EVERY EU country). It is FORBIDDEN to process
personal data without the users knowledge and/or consent. The data
apple is processing there IS considered personal data. No matter if
apple is claiming that they don't actually process the data. THAT is
completely irrelevant

What is the definition of "personal data" and how does checking that
an app developer's certificate is valid meet that definition?

For his next trick, he'll claim websites that check certificate validity
are also "processing personal data without the user's knowledge and/or consent". It's a grand spyspiracy, y'all!

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR
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