From Newsgroup: alt.security

On 8/30/25 3:28 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/08/2025 08:06, c186282 wrote:

On 8/30/25 1:54 AM, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 23:51:17 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

It was for us.  We needed all that memory.  It was only a few years ago >>>> that I finally got rid of all the hacks I wrote in to normalize
pointers
and deal with segment wrap-arounds.  It was horrible.  Forget the 640K >>>> barrier - the 64K barrier was alive and well on the 8086/8088/80286.

Tiny, Small, Large, Bigger & Humongous. I have the names wrong but I'm
pretty sure there were 5 sets of libraries that you had to chose to do a >>> build. Then there was what was referred to as the 'thunk' in DJGPP
circles
when you need to get real.

   Tbe original 8088 had all the needed registers.
   Could minimum deliver at LEAST an easy 64k code
   space and at LEAST another 64k data area. A few
   tricks and .......

   So YEA - you COULD run some kind of -IX on
   the original PCs. Not super fast/efficient
   but it COULD work. Remember early versions
   of SCO.

   286/386 ... MUCH better - but it came LATER.

The big trouble was that Unix was expanding faster than the PC
architecture could handle until the 386 made it all easy.

Agreed.

Then SCO Unix made it all not just possible, but extremely handy.

Well ... not "handy" enough.

My boss at the time - a very smart nerd - and I did
discuss DOS -vs- Unix for The Outfit.

We eventually decided on DOS, and ultimately Win.

MORE stuff. MORE support.

But we never got a serious graphical user interface on Unix. By the time
X windows had stabilised and cent window managers evolved Linux had
arrived.

Hey, DEALT with 'X' and WMs on the first versions
of Linux you could get. NOT super-easy all the time.
Spent like 48 hours getting it to rec my damned mouse
with RH.

NOT encouraging.

However Linux GOT BETTER. Soon I had all the needed
office servers on Linux - Just Because.

But, alas, the Staff - Winders Forever And Always.

Typical "split environment".

Old DOS/Win ... you were limited to TEN clients for
shared disks and net connections. Solution ... make
Linux box ONE of those - and then share a LOT more
using it's address :-) That was my first real use
for Linux. Grew thereafter.

No, the budget did NOT include switching to the
early WinServer and per-user licenses. Only did
that MUCH MUCH later - but there were only 5 users
for that particular need.

After retirement, not sure what the New Guy has
done ... but it looked to be all M$ Cloud. He
couldn't even write a three line Python script
alas - but the bosses kinda LIKED that. Insanity.

Vlad's boyz WILL destroy The Cloud REAL SOON.
Have already proved they can.

Then what ?

Heh, heh ... shopping for net services ... a LOT
of US corps now demand bank acct ROUTING NUMBERS.
Note that what can be routed IN can be routed OUT.
With CCards you have legal protections - NOT with
routing numbers.

Still get my pension/SS checks on PAPER. Do
you wonder WHY ???

Vlad's boyz will have ALL the routing numbers
by now. No - corp or govt - has been immune
to Vlad's boyz. Xi's boyz, maybe even worse.

Frankly, ALL US biz/banks/govt need to issue
NEW NUMBERS. But it'd be a huge cluster-fuck
so they WON'T. Alas the BIGGER cluster-fuck
is on the NEAR horizon. 'Cold' war has become
much warmer ......

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On 30/08/2025 10:30, c186282 wrote:

On 8/30/25 3:28 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/08/2025 08:06, c186282 wrote:

On 8/30/25 1:54 AM, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 23:51:17 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

It was for us.  We needed all that memory.  It was only a few years >>>>> ago
that I finally got rid of all the hacks I wrote in to normalize
pointers
and deal with segment wrap-arounds.  It was horrible.  Forget the 640K >>>>> barrier - the 64K barrier was alive and well on the 8086/8088/80286.

Tiny, Small, Large, Bigger & Humongous. I have the names wrong but I'm >>>> pretty sure there were 5 sets of libraries that you had to chose to
do a
build. Then there was what was referred to as the 'thunk' in DJGPP
circles
when you need to get real.

   Tbe original 8088 had all the needed registers.
   Could minimum deliver at LEAST an easy 64k code
   space and at LEAST another 64k data area. A few
   tricks and .......

   So YEA - you COULD run some kind of -IX on
   the original PCs. Not super fast/efficient
   but it COULD work. Remember early versions
   of SCO.

   286/386 ... MUCH better - but it came LATER.

The big trouble was that Unix was expanding faster than the PC
architecture could handle until the 386 made it all easy.

  Agreed.

Then SCO Unix made it all not just possible, but extremely handy.

  Well ... not "handy" enough.

  My boss at the time - a very smart nerd - and I did
  discuss DOS -vs- Unix for The Outfit.

  We eventually decided on DOS, and ultimately Win.

  MORE stuff. MORE support.

I was the boss. SCO Unix for the networked servers and Win 3 for the
desktops
SUN PC-NFS to hang it all together.

But we never got a serious graphical user interface on Unix. By the
time X windows had stabilised and cent window managers evolved Linux
had arrived.

  Hey, DEALT with 'X' and WMs on the first versions
  of Linux you could get. NOT super-easy all the time.
  Spent like 48 hours getting it to rec my damned mouse
  with RH.

  NOT encouraging.

I waited. By around 2003 Debian had some sort of GUI

  However Linux GOT BETTER. Soon I had all the needed
  office servers on Linux - Just Because.

  But, alas, the Staff - Winders Forever And Always.

  Typical "split environment".

Yup. Of course


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On 8/30/25 6:59 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/08/2025 10:30, c186282 wrote:

On 8/30/25 3:28 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/08/2025 08:06, c186282 wrote:

On 8/30/25 1:54 AM, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 23:51:17 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

It was for us.  We needed all that memory.  It was only a few
years ago
that I finally got rid of all the hacks I wrote in to normalize
pointers
and deal with segment wrap-arounds.  It was horrible.  Forget the >>>>>> 640K
barrier - the 64K barrier was alive and well on the 8086/8088/80286. >>>>>

Tiny, Small, Large, Bigger & Humongous. I have the names wrong but I'm >>>>> pretty sure there were 5 sets of libraries that you had to chose to >>>>> do a
build. Then there was what was referred to as the 'thunk' in DJGPP
circles
when you need to get real.

   Tbe original 8088 had all the needed registers.
   Could minimum deliver at LEAST an easy 64k code
   space and at LEAST another 64k data area. A few
   tricks and .......

   So YEA - you COULD run some kind of -IX on
   the original PCs. Not super fast/efficient
   but it COULD work. Remember early versions
   of SCO.

   286/386 ... MUCH better - but it came LATER.

The big trouble was that Unix was expanding faster than the PC
architecture could handle until the 386 made it all easy.

   Agreed.

Then SCO Unix made it all not just possible, but extremely handy.

   Well ... not "handy" enough.

   My boss at the time - a very smart nerd - and I did
   discuss DOS -vs- Unix for The Outfit.

   We eventually decided on DOS, and ultimately Win.

   MORE stuff. MORE support.

I was the boss. SCO Unix for the networked servers and Win 3 for the desktops
SUN PC-NFS to hang it all together.

We didn't have "servers" quite that far back.
It was all DOS/Win3/95 plus Novell networking
for awhile.

I remember installing all the coax and T-connectors.

But we never got a serious graphical user interface on Unix. By the
time X windows had stabilised and cent window managers evolved Linux
had arrived.

   Hey, DEALT with 'X' and WMs on the first versions
   of Linux you could get. NOT super-easy all the time.
   Spent like 48 hours getting it to rec my damned mouse
   with RH.

   NOT encouraging.

I waited. By around 2003 Debian had some sort of GUI

GUIs appeared fairly early - but EASY TO CONFIGURE
ones ... had to wait a bit.

   However Linux GOT BETTER. Soon I had all the needed
   office servers on Linux - Just Because.

   But, alas, the Staff - Winders Forever And Always.

   Typical "split environment".

Yup. Of course

This IS the norm.

Some complain because I speak of Winders in this
forum but, alas, it's still ALL CONNECTED. Win
shit and YOU have to drop yer Linux stuff and fix
all the Win boxes. Been there, done that, again
and again and again.
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2025 11:59:32 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I was the boss. SCO Unix for the networked servers and Win 3 for the
desktops SUN PC-NFS to hang it all together.

Our legacy products were developed for RS6000 AIX. Port to Linux, port to Windows. Windows won. There were two sites that had Linux servers but then
the administrators who were Linux fans moved on and the new guy went to Windows.

The customer is always right as long as they keep signing checks (cheques, whatever you want to call them)
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