In an irony - the early Iranian nuke program used
Siemens controllers on its uranium centrifuges.
The spooks found a vulnerability and caused the
devices to destroy themselves. Set 'em back a
few years.
For obvious reasons nobody is going to EXACTLY
identify how the things were hacked. However
Siemens is a major supplier of industrial
process controllers, so everybody had better
keep an eye out.
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
In an irony - the early Iranian nuke program used
Siemens controllers on its uranium centrifuges.
The spooks found a vulnerability and caused the
devices to destroy themselves. Set 'em back a
few years.
For obvious reasons nobody is going to EXACTLY
identify how the things were hacked. However
Siemens is a major supplier of industrial
process controllers, so everybody had better
keep an eye out.
On the contrary, it’s pretty well documented. The exploit code, the
target devices and the identity of the person who inserted it into
Natanz are all public. Search for ‘stuxnet’ and ‘operation olympic games’.
https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/siemens-devices-water-facilities-cybersecurity/2026/08/19/id/1266642/
Several U.S. government agencies warned that unidentified
hackers are trying to breach devices made by Siemens that
are used to monitor and operate water facilities and other
critical infrastructure systems, according to a cybersecurity
advisory published Wednesday.
On 2026-08-20, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/siemens-devices-water-facilities-cybersecurity/2026/08/19/id/1266642/
Several U.S. government agencies warned that unidentified
hackers are trying to breach devices made by Siemens that
are used to monitor and operate water facilities and other
critical infrastructure systems, according to a cybersecurity
advisory published Wednesday.
Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't
30-40 years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.
Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't
30-40 years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.
Because its a simple and cheap way to control unmanned installationsWhy do your enemies wanna waste time and
On the contrary, it’s pretty well documented. The exploit code, the
target devices and the identity of the person who inserted it into
Natanz are all public. Search for ‘stuxnet’ and ‘operation olympic games’.
Careful ... when the spooky people are involved 'leaks'
may not be entirely accurate info :-)
On 8/21/2026 9:24 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't
30-40 years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.
"Pull the plug" usually refers only to
the electricity supply, that is, the
power plug. It's an old word.
As things go wireless and virtual,
there are no plugs to pull. :)
And if you watch Mission Impossible
and James Bond, spies can infiltrate
infrastructure companies and implant
spy gadgets that could take over
the control rooms. I dunno whether
it's fact or fiction.
Because its a simple and cheap way to control unmanned installations
No one ever thought anyone would have any interest in hacking them.
On 2026-08-20, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/siemens-devices-water-facilities-cybersecurity/2026/08/19/id/1266642/
Several U.S. government agencies warned that unidentified
hackers are trying to breach devices made by Siemens that
are used to monitor and operate water facilities and other
critical infrastructure systems, according to a cybersecurity
advisory published Wednesday.
Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't
30-40 years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.
On 21/08/2026 14:24, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2026-08-20, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/siemens-devices-water-
facilities-cybersecurity/2026/08/19/id/1266642/
Several U.S. government agencies warned that unidentified
hackers are trying to breach devices made by Siemens that
are used to monitor and operate water facilities and other
critical infrastructure systems, according to a cybersecurity
advisory published Wednesday.
Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't
30-40 years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.
Because its a simple and cheap way to control unmanned installations
I mean here on the UK Fens there are many many sluice gates and pumps
that should operate automatically on float sensors, but I suspect are
also monitored and controlled centrally.
No one ever thought anyone would have any interest in hacking them.
Siemens are a pretty shoddy firm anyway.
One would have thought they had some some form of authentication and encryption and indeed firewalling going on. There is no need to expose
such devices to the whole Internet...
Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't 30-40
years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.
On Fri, 21 Aug 2026 13:24:28 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:
Surprisingly almost no one asks the question "Why is critical
infrastructure connected to the internet?" (Likely it wasn't 30-40
years ago.) Pull the plug and it can't be hacked.
That didn’t protect against Stuxnet though, did it ...
I remember reading an article years ago where it was stated that
when what came to be known as the internet was under development
it never occurred to anyone that users would attack each other.
That didn’t protect against Stuxnet though, did it ...
On 2026-08-22, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
That didn’t protect against Stuxnet though, did it ...
No, but the fact remains that requiring physical access
is more difficult versus just sitting half a world away
and attacking via the internet.
If a national security agency is involved its probably far easier to
bribe someone to stick a usb stick in a PC and run some code than it is
to break a firewall and encryption.
It is not the fault of the Internet that people do not routinely employ
these to protect their networks.
Like many cases the subgenius nutters are aided and abetted by the FBI.
On 22/08/2026 19:40, rbowman wrote:
Like many cases the subgenius nutters are aided and abetted by the FBI....or the Kremlin
On 22/08/2026 00:49, Roger Blake wrote:
I remember reading an article years ago where it was stated that
when what came to be known as the internet was under development
it never occurred to anyone that users would attack each other.
Remember the Internet was devised initially (DARPANET) as a weapons
grade military network that could withstand a nuclear attack and still
allow someone to push the red button.
Which is why IP packets have no field representing 'cost' embedded in them
Imagine if any website could charge you for access seamlessly, with your
ISP charging you the picocents for each packet downloaded via them and reimbursing the sites owners.
NO advertising needed
But the point remains TCP/IP was optimised cor reliability diverse
routing and connectivity.
Any security was to be provided either at a physical level - cables
inside locked locations - or at a higher level by firewalls, encryption
and network virtualisation.
It is not the fault of the Internet that people do not routinely employ these to protect their networks.
On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 23:17:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/08/2026 19:40, rbowman wrote:
Like many cases the subgenius nutters are aided and abetted by the FBI....or the Kremlin
Do you have trouble sleeping with Boris and Natasha under your bed?
On 8/22/26 08:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/08/2026 00:49, Roger Blake wrote:
I remember reading an article years ago where it was stated that
when what came to be known as the internet was under development
it never occurred to anyone that users would attack each other.
Remember the Internet was devised initially (DARPANET) as a weapons
grade military network that could withstand a nuclear attack and still
allow someone to push the red button.
Which is why IP packets have no field representing 'cost' embedded in
them
"Cost" ? What exact def did you have in mind ?
But the point remains TCP/IP was optimised cor reliability diverse
routing and connectivity.
Correct. It's pretty strong if used correctly.
But it was also designed with a MUCH MUCH simpler
environment in mind. The packet-routing equation
alone these days is just insane.
Ye and me are old enough to remember when there
was no 'internet', no DARPA-net. A Big Box somewhere
and low-speed direct serial connections, maybe over
horribly low-speed modems. The old IBM and DEC
systems were made for international collaboration
and commerce - over those SLOW SLOW connections.
Better condense yer data intelligently, and no
flashing ads for gambling and porn sites ! :-)
Any security was to be provided either at a physical level - cables
inside locked locations - or at a higher level by firewalls,
encryption and network virtualisation.
It is not the fault of the Internet that people do not routinely
employ these to protect their networks.
Employing ENOUGH, and "enough" is harder and harder
to achieve every day now, is very DIFFICULT. Pretty
soon you are drowned by your own 'security' measures
and remember each 'measure' may have it's OWN flaws
someone can exploit.
Basically you have to analyze YOUR risks - who/what/why
might want to get at YOUR stuff. For Joe Average, not
many are particularly interested except MAYBE stealing
his bank routing number or Amazon acct password if you
make it super-easy.
For bigger biz and banking and govt/defense however the
risk is MUCH greater. Such systems attract the worst
of the worst and they WILL put major time/resources
into their evils.
But, theoretically, the 'big' players OUGHT to be able
to afford a squad of their OWN in-house geeks who can
find and fix such evil efforts. But is seems fewer
and fewer DO - they just turn it over to "Company-X"
which promises everything and rarely delivers. In the
small print somewhere C-X be held harmless or be able
to SWEAR it was YOU who screwed their 'perfect'
protection scheme.
Employ Company-X and, if all goes to hell, YOU can't
be blamed. It's all THEIR fault !!!
You should watch NCIS too.
h+t+t+ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ
With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him
credit for
On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:19:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:+1
With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him
credit for
He and others of the Red Scare era were shortsighted. They focused on the CPUSA which did march to the Comintern drummer. They missed the emigres
from the Frankfurt school that had fled Germany. In the late '50s and '60s
it was Marcuse, Horkheimer, Benjamin, Fromm and their ilk that were being read and discussed by the New Left, not the musty Stalinism. The New
School for Social Research became the hub for the refugees.
On 8/22/2026 6:47 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
You should watch NCIS too.
h+t+t+ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ
You got a plain-text version of
the video? I don't need voices
nor pictures when reading. :)
On 2026-08-23 17:05, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
On 8/22/2026 6:47 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
You should watch NCIS too.
h+t+t+ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ
You got a plain-text version of
the video? I don't need voices
nor pictures when reading. :)
The point of that video is lost if put it into words. Just play it, it
is short and funny.
On 23/08/2026 19:24, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:19:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:+1
With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him
credit for
He and others of the Red Scare era were shortsighted. They focused on the
CPUSA which did march to the Comintern drummer. They missed the emigres
from the Frankfurt school that had fled Germany. In the late '50s and
'60s
it was Marcuse, Horkheimer, Benjamin, Fromm and their ilk that were being
read and discussed by the New Left, not the musty Stalinism. The New
School for Social Research became the hub for the refugees.
Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after some success, he
apparently became a serious alcoholic and it kinda rotted his brain.
He began to make accusations against people he shouldn't have and
thus got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led to
considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
On 2026-08-23, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-08-23 17:05, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
On 8/22/2026 6:47 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
You should watch NCIS too.
h+t+t+ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ
You got a plain-text version of
the video? I don't need voices
nor pictures when reading. :)
The point of that video is lost if put it into words. Just play it, it
is short and funny.
I can't do much in way of a good text version, and I was hoping there'd
be some transcript online, but alas I haven't found one so far.
A description of it would be:
Someone is cyber-attacking NCIS somehow. Abby tries to "fight back" by
typing fast, and gets McGee to join her to help type faster.
And by this I mean each of them is typing on one half of the
keyboard. DiNozzo and Gibbs enter. DiNozzo is DiNozzo, I'm surprised
he's not eating popcorn out of a bucket.
Gibbs then unplugs the display and looks at them like he's saying "you
idiots didn't think of this!? do I have to be the one doing
everything?".
Nobody covers the fact that he just unplugged the monitor. (Some
descriptions of this scene don't consider this or consider it just as a possibility, but the way the display goes off strongly suggests he *did* really unplug it...)
See e.g. the entry (search for "on the same keyboard") in <https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodHacking>
On 8/23/26 14:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/08/2026 19:24, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:19:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:+1
With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him
credit for
He and others of the Red Scare era were shortsighted. They
focused on the CPUSA which did march to the Comintern drummer.
They missed the emigres from the Frankfurt school that had fled
Germany. In the late '50s and '60s it was Marcuse, Horkheimer,
Benjamin, Fromm and their ilk that were being read and discussed
by the New Left, not the musty Stalinism. The New School for
Social Research became the hub for the refugees.
Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after
some success, he apparently became a serious alcoholic
and it kinda rotted his brain. He began to make
accusations against people he shouldn't have and thus
got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led
to considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
serious protections against persecuting people JUST
because of their political beliefs. More than "belief"
is required - some kind of active aggressive PLOT has
to be proven. Even in the mid 1950s you WERE allowed
to be a "Card-Carrying Communist". Still are.
On 2026-08-24 00:46, Nuno Silva wrote:
On 2026-08-23, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-08-23 17:05, Mr. Chang Man-wai wrote:
On 8/22/2026 6:47 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:
You should watch NCIS too.
h+t+t+ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ
You got a plain-text version of
the video? I don't need voices
nor pictures when reading. :)
The point of that video is lost if put it into words. Just play it, it
is short and funny.
I can't do much in way of a good text version, and I was hoping there'd
be some transcript online, but alas I haven't found one so far.
A description of it would be:
Someone is cyber-attacking NCIS somehow. Abby tries to "fight back" by
typing fast, and gets McGee to join her to help type faster.
And by this I mean each of them is typing on one half of the
keyboard. DiNozzo and Gibbs enter. DiNozzo is DiNozzo, I'm surprised
he's not eating popcorn out of a bucket.
Gibbs then unplugs the display and looks at them like he's saying "you
idiots didn't think of this!? do I have to be the one doing
everything?".
Nobody covers the fact that he just unplugged the monitor. (Some
descriptions of this scene don't consider this or consider it just as a
possibility, but the way the display goes off strongly suggests he *did*
really unplug it...)
See e.g. the entry (search for "on the same keyboard") in
<https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HollywoodHacking>
I can't find "on the same keyboard" there.
Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a network,
or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like her questions.
Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
serious protections against persecuting people JUST
because of their political beliefs.
Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after
some success, he apparently became a serious alcoholic
and it kinda rotted his brain. He began to make
accusations against people he shouldn't have and thus
got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led
to considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
serious protections against persecuting people JUST
because of their political beliefs. More than "belief"
is required - some kind of active aggressive PLOT has
to be proven. Even in the mid 1950s you WERE allowed
to be a "Card-Carrying Communist". Still are.
On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
serious protections against persecuting people JUST
because of their political beliefs.
So far. Stay tuned.
On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after
some success, he apparently became a serious alcoholic
and it kinda rotted his brain. He began to make
accusations against people he shouldn't have and thus
got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led
to considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
serious protections against persecuting people JUST
because of their political beliefs. More than "belief"
is required - some kind of active aggressive PLOT has
to be proven. Even in the mid 1950s you WERE allowed
to be a "Card-Carrying Communist". Still are.
Ah "un-american activities" hearings. Some protections
I think the JS-enabled version without CSS hacks collapses some
"folders"
by default, you may have to expand "Live-Action TV" for search to work.
Sorry for this, I keep forgetting the web now sucks more...
On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Ah "un-american activities" hearings. Some protections
Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after some success, he
apparently became a serious alcoholic and it kinda rotted his brain.
He began to make accusations against people he shouldn't have and
thus got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led to
considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty serious
protections against persecuting people JUST because of their
political beliefs. More than "belief"
is required - some kind of active aggressive PLOT has to be proven.
Even in the mid 1950s you WERE allowed to be a "Card-Carrying
Communist". Still are.
Later on I saw the demise of the Green party and Greenpeace to hard left infiltration. People I know in Equity - the actors union - are appalled
that their subscription goes into hard left political organisations.
Charlie Kirk - again right wing - was murdered for his rhetoric.
On 24/08/2026 08:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a
network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like her
questions.
Trump is simply staggering in how unutterably *crap* he is. Only the
total idiocy of the Democrats and Librals allowed him to get elected.
America needs to pull its socks up and start taking politics seriously.
Its not a football game.
On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 01:56:53 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after some success, he
apparently became a serious alcoholic and it kinda rotted his brain.
He began to make accusations against people he shouldn't have and
thus got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led to
considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
It was a little embarrassing that after his war on gays as well as
communists he wound up with the Bobbsey Twins, Cohn and Shine, on his
staff. Shine faded out of politics and despite the allegations fathered several kids. Cohn remained active in political circles including
mentoring a young Trump, until he died of AIDS.
Strange era. I remember a John Birch Society meeting in, iirc, 1963, where the party line was Dwight Eisenhower was a Communist dupe and Milton, his brother, was his handler. Some of the animosity came from Eisenhower appointing Earl Warren as chief justice. Their battle cry was 'Impeach
Earl Warren!'. Warren was as much a pig in a poke as Roberts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Stormer
I think I still have a copy of 'None Dare Call it Reason'. The JBS
circulated it widely. The JBS had its standards. Oliver was booted despite being a founding member.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revilo_P._Oliver#White_supremacy
Many members thought 'Wall Street bankers' was a dog whistle but Welch was careful to know which side the bread was buttered on. I was surprised to
find out they're still around.
Oh, John Birch was a 'black' soldier, theoretically the first killed
as the Korean war got going. NAZIs do not rally around 'black'
martyrs.
On 2026-08-24 07:56, c186282 wrote:
On 8/23/26 14:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/08/2026 19:24, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:19:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:+1
With hindsight I think McCarthy was a lot more right than we gave him >>>>> credit for
He and others of the Red Scare era were shortsighted. They
focused on the CPUSA which did march to the Comintern drummer.
They missed the emigres from the Frankfurt school that had fled
Germany. In the late '50s and '60s it was Marcuse, Horkheimer,
Benjamin, Fromm and their ilk that were being read and discussed
by the New Left, not the musty Stalinism. The New School for
Social Research became the hub for the refugees.
Tailgunner Joe WAS on to something. However, after
some success, he apparently became a serious alcoholic
and it kinda rotted his brain. He began to make
accusations against people he shouldn't have and thus
got pushed to the curb. Alas his later excesses led
to considerable/excessive push-back/undoing later on.
Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
serious protections against persecuting people JUST
because of their political beliefs. More than "belief"
is required - some kind of active aggressive PLOT has
to be proven. Even in the mid 1950s you WERE allowed
to be a "Card-Carrying Communist". Still are.
Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license
of a network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because >
he doesn't like her questions.
On 24/08/2026 08:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a
network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like
her questions.
Trump is simply staggering in how unutterably *crap* he is. Only the
total idiocy of the Democrats and Librals allowed him to get elected.
America needs to pull its socks up and start taking politics seriously.
Its not a football game.
On 2026-08-24, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Also, USA - not so sure about UK/Euro - has pretty
serious protections against persecuting people JUST
because of their political beliefs.
So far. Stay tuned.
On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 19:58:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Later on I saw the demise of the Green party and Greenpeace to hard left
infiltration. People I know in Equity - the actors union - are appalled
that their subscription goes into hard left political organisations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_First!#Direct_action
I met Foreman in '88 as the organization took its hard left turn. He
enjoyed taunting the lefties but they won and he left the organization.
The godfather of the organization, Ed Abbey, also held views the new breed abhorred.
Somebody observed that without vigorous pruning organizations drift left.
On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:21:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Churchill said of America that it can 'always be relied upon to do the
On 24/08/2026 08:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a
network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like her
questions.
Trump is simply staggering in how unutterably *crap* he is. Only the
total idiocy of the Democrats and Librals allowed him to get elected.
America needs to pull its socks up and start taking politics seriously.
Its not a football game.
It won't be easy. Jeremiahs have been accurately prophesying the future of the US as long as I've been alive. Nobody listened, not here and not in
the UK.
Sorry, STILL some major "Us"/"Them" going on.
It's real - so we have to react/cope.
On 8/24/26 06:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/08/2026 08:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a
network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like
her questions.
Trump is simply staggering in how unutterably *crap* he is. Only the
total idiocy of the Democrats and Librals allowed him to get elected.
America needs to pull its socks up and start taking politics
seriously. Its not a football game.
Gee ... what MAJOR "TDS" !
Wondering ... SUCH an investment in Trump ...
what happens in a couple years when he's
out of the race ? The whole massive TDS
equation just COLLAPSES. The cult of anti-Trump
cannot survive WITHOUT Trump.
Should be fun.
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:57:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
At least he took early retirement. Poor boy, hounded by the right wingers.
On 24/08/2026 21:51, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:21:10 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Churchill said of America that it can 'always be relied upon to do the
On 24/08/2026 08:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a
network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like her >>>> questions.
Trump is simply staggering in how unutterably *crap* he is. Only the
total idiocy of the Democrats and Librals allowed him to get elected.
America needs to pull its socks up and start taking politics seriously.
Its not a football game.
It won't be easy. Jeremiahs have been accurately prophesying the
future of
the US as long as I've been alive. Nobody listened, not here and not in
the UK.
right thing - after exhausting every other alternative'.
I think this is a universal truth. Obama Biden and Trump are the price
we have had to pay to let this process play out.
Its no different in the UK. Except we have four, maybe five potentially viable parties.
On 25/08/2026 05:37, c186282 wrote:
Sorry, STILL some major "Us"/"Them" going on.
It's real - so we have to react/cope.
The conflict is real, the issues are carefully manufactured
Probably by some focus group in Moscow
On 25/08/2026 06:49, c186282 wrote:
On 8/24/26 06:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Not reaqlly. Using the techniques of the Left does not become you
On 24/08/2026 08:33, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Then comes Trump and tries to remove the broadcast license of a
network, or he calls stupid to a journalist because he doesn't like
her questions.
Trump is simply staggering in how unutterably *crap* he is. Only the
total idiocy of the Democrats and Librals allowed him to get elected.
America needs to pull its socks up and start taking politics
seriously. Its not a football game.
Gee ... what MAJOR "TDS" !
"TDS"
"Climate denial"
"Critical race theory."
All the same shit as techniques. on;y the issues vary.
All dreamed up by anti-americxan interests
Wondering ... SUCH an investment in Trump ...All heave a sigh of relief and turn to tackle the next Wanker In The
what happens in a couple years when he's
out of the race ? The whole massive TDS
equation just COLLAPSES. The cult of anti-Trump
cannot survive WITHOUT Trump.
White House
Should be fun.
After WW2, the USA had nukes and a huge army.
We COULD have literally taken the world. We did not. Outright
"empire" gives us a sour stomach.
Anyway, RUBIO 2028 !!!
On Wed, 26 Aug 2026 00:02:13 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Anyway, RUBIO 2028 !!!
I would first vote for AOC.
On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:57:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
At least he took early retirement. Poor boy, hounded by the right wingers.
On 8/25/26 14:45, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 11:57:12 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
At least he took early retirement. Poor boy, hounded by the right
wingers.
For a REASON ??? :-)
And everyone else is too scared to stand up to them
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
On 8/25/26 11:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And everyone else is too scared to stand up to them
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
Went to Cambridge, called himself a Philosopher, who does he remind me
of...
On 26/08/2026 09:34, Pancho wrote:
On 8/25/26 11:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And everyone else is too scared to stand up to them
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
Went to Cambridge, called himself a Philosopher, who does he remind me
of...
Sir Roger Scruton?
On 8/26/26 09:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/08/2026 09:34, Pancho wrote:
On 8/25/26 11:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And everyone else is too scared to stand up to them
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
Went to Cambridge, called himself a Philosopher, who does he remind
me of...
Sir Roger Scruton?
Lol! You think I know who Roger Scruton is? My own philosophical
pondering is more related to important topics such as the infeasible
size of Dolly Parton's tits, may they rest in peace.
For me Arday wasn't the interesting thing, it was Nathan Cofnas, the guy
who exposed him. Cofnas said a few things about racial correlation with intelligence, and was kicked out of Cambridge for it.
I was trying to
have a rational discussion about it on uk.legal.moderated, and the main takeaway was just how stupid some other posters are. Or perhaps it isn't stupidity, but how much they will let what they want to believe, of what they think they should believe, influence their argument.
I dunno, maybe some people get through life by parroting what they are supposed to believe, as opposed to ever thinking for themselves. When
they do try to think, they can't.
On 26/08/2026 10:48, Pancho wrote:
On 8/26/26 09:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Ah. Definitely a subject worthy of deep contemplation. I didn't realise quite how much regard I had for her until today. And I am not even into country music that much.
On 26/08/2026 09:34, Pancho wrote:
On 8/25/26 11:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And everyone else is too scared to stand up to them
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
Went to Cambridge, called himself a Philosopher, who does he remind
me of...
Sir Roger Scruton?
Lol! You think I know who Roger Scruton is? My own philosophical
pondering is more related to important topics such as the infeasible
size of Dolly Parton's tits, may they rest in peace.
Sir Roger was a scathing critic of the New Left. His book Fools, Frauds
and Firebrands is a massively amusing attack on the post modern
philosophers of the 1960s
It is an entertaining read so long as you are reasonably conservative.
I just noted that my random quote generator has pulled up one of his
better quotes for the .sig
For me Arday wasn't the interesting thing, it was Nathan Cofnas, the
guy who exposed him. Cofnas said a few things about racial correlation
with intelligence, and was kicked out of Cambridge for it.
Hadn't heard of him. That is not a position many would be prepared to
take, although there are reasonably Darwinian reasons why it might be true.
....Oh. He was the guy that spotted the plagiarism. Well that wasn't
such a huge deal, What came after was the discovery that his whole life story, as he related it , was optimistic fiction. He had constructed a
back story and persona that dovetailed exactly with the prevailing woke narratives of the intellectual Left...
....You don't need much foresight in Africa...
Wake up, avoid Lions, catch breakfast, make fire and cook, after dinner
nap and then some sex.
I was trying to have a rational discussion about it on
uk.legal.moderated, and the main takeaway was just how stupid some
other posters are. Or perhaps it isn't stupidity, but how much they
will let what they want to believe, of what they think they should
believe, influence their argument.
Twas ever thus. Prejudice is a feature of the LLM when fed limited data.
I dunno, maybe some people get through life by parroting what they are
supposed to believe, as opposed to ever thinking for themselves. When
they do try to think, they can't.
That is true for 95% of the worlds population, You dent get independent thinking, really, until the IQ is well over 125
By the way a 'Natural Philosopher' is the old name for a scientist. One
who ponders on the Natural World.
I was using it before diving into Western Philosophy.
On 8/26/26 11:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 26/08/2026 10:48, Pancho wrote:
On 8/26/26 09:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Ah. Definitely a subject worthy of deep contemplation. I didn't
On 26/08/2026 09:34, Pancho wrote:
On 8/25/26 11:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And everyone else is too scared to stand up to them
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
Went to Cambridge, called himself a Philosopher, who does he remind >>>>> me of...
Sir Roger Scruton?
Lol! You think I know who Roger Scruton is? My own philosophical
pondering is more related to important topics such as the infeasible
size of Dolly Parton's tits, may they rest in peace.
realise quite how much regard I had for her until today. And I am not
even into country music that much.
Sir Roger was a scathing critic of the New Left. His book Fools,
Frauds and Firebrands is a massively amusing attack on the post modern
philosophers of the 1960s
It is an entertaining read so long as you are reasonably conservative.
I just noted that my random quote generator has pulled up one of his
better quotes for the .sig
For me Arday wasn't the interesting thing, it was Nathan Cofnas, the
guy who exposed him. Cofnas said a few things about racial
correlation with intelligence, and was kicked out of Cambridge for it.
Hadn't heard of him. That is not a position many would be prepared to
take, although there are reasonably Darwinian reasons why it might be
true.
It might also be true due to random drift, or other reasons. However,
some people take the unusual concept of equality as the starting
assumption. Proof of equality is then a circular argument.
....Oh. He was the guy that spotted the plagiarism. Well that wasn't
such a huge deal, What came after was the discovery that his whole
life story, as he related it , was optimistic fiction. He had
constructed a back story and persona that dovetailed exactly with the
prevailing woke narratives of the intellectual Left...
I think a lot of arts is subjective, was Van Gogh a great painter? Many philosophers make bland statements and are lauded for it. I can't
understand any of that shit, so if people want to say Arday was a genius they can. Maybe Arday spoke to the hearts of black people about their experience. I imagine constant microaggressions can get you down. Maybe there was value to Arday in the same way people see value in Van Gogh's sunflowers. Society can tolerate emotions.
The point about Cofnas is more serious. He was victimised, knowingly misrepresented, and cancelled by people who didn't want to address his arguments. This appears to be exactly what happened to Scrutton (w.r.t.
his comments about George Soros). People misrepresented simple out of context quotes to demonise him. Quotes that any reasonable journalist
could have checked, but en masse decided to ignore context.
In short, I'm happy to let people talk nonsense. It is when we stop
people talking sense that we should worry.
....You don't need much foresight in Africa...
Wake up, avoid Lions, catch breakfast, make fire and cook, after
dinner nap and then some sex.
I was trying to have a rational discussion about it on
uk.legal.moderated, and the main takeaway was just how stupid some
other posters are. Or perhaps it isn't stupidity, but how much they
will let what they want to believe, of what they think they should
believe, influence their argument.
Twas ever thus. Prejudice is a feature of the LLM when fed limited data.
I dunno, maybe some people get through life by parroting what they
are supposed to believe, as opposed to ever thinking for themselves.
When they do try to think, they can't.
That is true for 95% of the worlds population, You dent get
independent thinking, really, until the IQ is well over 125
Is independent thinking IQ related, or just a trait? I'm not agreeable,
so I don't try to agree with people. It is probably a dangerous trait to have. Maybe it is less dangerous if you are clever?
I also don't value people agreeing with me. I want to learn to think
things I haven't already thunk. As my son said to me the other day, you shouldn't tell people (doctors, etc) what you are thinking, because they will just repeat it back to you.
By the way a 'Natural Philosopher' is the old name for a scientist.
One who ponders on the Natural World.
I was using it before diving into Western Philosophy.
On 26/08/2026 05:15, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2026 00:02:13 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Anyway, RUBIO 2028 !!!
I would first vote for AOC.
Crikey. Might as well put a Barbie Doll in the whitehouse
On 26/08/2026 05:15, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2026 00:02:13 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Anyway, RUBIO 2028 !!!
I would first vote for AOC.
Crikey. Might as well put a Barbie Doll in the whitehouse
Nah, Karoline Leavitt resigned to "spend more time with her family".
Hmmm, where have I heard that before...?
On 26/08/2026 10:48, Pancho wrote:
On 8/26/26 09:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Ah. Definitely a subject worthy of deep contemplation. I didn't realise quite how much regard I had for her until today. And I am not even into country music that much.
On 26/08/2026 09:34, Pancho wrote:
On 8/25/26 11:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And everyone else is too scared to stand up to them
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
Went to Cambridge, called himself a Philosopher, who does he remind
me of...
Sir Roger Scruton?
Lol! You think I know who Roger Scruton is? My own philosophical
pondering is more related to important topics such as the infeasible
size of Dolly Parton's tits, may they rest in peace.
Sir Roger was a scathing critic of the New Left. His book Fools, Frauds
and Firebrands is a massively amusing attack on the post modern
philosophers of the 1960s
On Wed, 26 Aug 2026 18:08:49 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
Nah, Karoline Leavitt resigned to "spend more time with her family".
Hmmm, where have I heard that before...?
That may be one of the few legit times. She did have a kid in May.
I used to pray for Biden's golliwog to go spend more time with somebody,
On 8/26/26 06:17, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Sir Roger had an answer for that, too.
On 26/08/2026 10:48, Pancho wrote:
On 8/26/26 09:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Ah. Definitely a subject worthy of deep contemplation. I didn't
On 26/08/2026 09:34, Pancho wrote:
On 8/25/26 11:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
And everyone else is too scared to stand up to them
Google 'Jason Arday' for the symbol of the times.
Went to Cambridge, called himself a Philosopher, who does he remind >>>>> me of...
Sir Roger Scruton?
Lol! You think I know who Roger Scruton is? My own philosophical
pondering is more related to important topics such as the infeasible
size of Dolly Parton's tits, may they rest in peace.
realise quite how much regard I had for her until today. And I am not
even into country music that much.
Dolly was one of the Good Ones. Not into her kind
of music, but give her RESPECT regardless.
And yea, DID have impressive tits that held
up pretty well :-)
Sir Roger was a scathing critic of the New Left. His book Fools,
Frauds and Firebrands is a massively amusing attack on the post modern
philosophers of the 1960s
It's EASY to, intellectually, trash the neo-Left.
They are just ridiculous.
HOWEVER, take note, how people VOTE/Align often
has little relevance to how 'logical' the political
platform may be. It just has to "feel good" and
droves of people will fall in line.
On 8/26/26 21:00, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2026 18:08:49 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
Nah, Karoline Leavitt resigned to "spend more time with her family".
Hmmm, where have I heard that before...?
Well, in her case, MAY be very true.
Her previous role - that kinda uses up
101% of yer time.
That may be one of the few legit times. She did have a kid in May.
I used to pray for Biden's golliwog to go spend more time with somebody,
Prayin' won't do you no good ....
On 27/08/2026 08:59, c186282 wrote:
On 8/26/26 21:00, rbowman wrote:Might make you feel better.
On Wed, 26 Aug 2026 18:08:49 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
Nah, Karoline Leavitt resigned to "spend more time with her family".
Hmmm, where have I heard that before...?
Well, in her case, MAY be very true.
Her previous role - that kinda uses up
101% of yer time.
That may be one of the few legit times. She did have a kid in May.
I used to pray for Biden's golliwog to go spend more time with somebody,
Prayin' won't do you no good ....
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