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but if a 13 yr old child consents?
that why they get free comdons in school.

When I was 13 years old, I would have liked to have had a

woman

with

whom

to

play. Where is the abuse here, if a woman had allowed me to

play

with

her?

Legally, though, she'd be a pedophile until I'd reached the

age

of

14.

so.. if a 13 yr old give consent... it should be ok, because it

is

informed.. right?

The State sets the age at which consent can legally be given, not

the

teen

in question. In some states, that is as low as 14 years old, I

don't

think

any are below that, but I'm not sure. If you have a problem with

the

concepts of informed consent, and age of consent, I suggest you

take

it

up

with your representative.

that was my point. as of today, the state defines what is or not the

proper

defintion of marriage, not queerdom.

But the people, including the homosexuals, are part of what makes up

"the

state". So, the state has to answer to the people, and has to answer

to

the constitution. So yes, in part "queerdom" does define civil

marriage.

querdoom most likely will do so, when they are the majority or have

enough

political power..

Civil rights are not dependent on the majority, or political power.

without political power, there would be no civil liberty


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but if a 13 yr old child consents?
that why they get free comdons in school.

When I was 13 years old, I would have liked to have had a

woman

with

whom

to

play. Where is the abuse here, if a woman had allowed me to

play

with

her?

Legally, though, she'd be a pedophile until I'd reached the

age

of

14.

so.. if a 13 yr old give consent... it should be ok, because

it

is

informed.. right?

The State sets the age at which consent can legally be given,

not

the

teen

in question. In some states, that is as low as 14 years old, I

don't

think

any are below that, but I'm not sure. If you have a problem

with

the

concepts of informed consent, and age of consent, I suggest you

take

it

up

with your representative.

that was my point. as of today, the state defines what is or not

the

proper

defintion of marriage, not queerdom.

But the people, including the homosexuals, are part of what makes up

"the

state". So, the state has to answer to the people, and has to

answer

to

the constitution. So yes, in part "queerdom" does define civil

marriage.

querdoom most likely will do so, when they are the majority or have

enough

political power..

Civil rights are not dependent on the majority, or political power.

without political power, there would be no civil liberty

Civil rights exist regardless of political power.


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but if a 13 yr old child consents?
that why they get free comdons in school.

When I was 13 years old, I would have liked to have had a

woman

with

whom

to

play. Where is the abuse here, if a woman had allowed me

to

play

with

her?

Legally, though, she'd be a pedophile until I'd reached

the

age

of

14.

so.. if a 13 yr old give consent... it should be ok, because

it

is

informed.. right?

The State sets the age at which consent can legally be given,

not

the

teen

in question. In some states, that is as low as 14 years old,

I

don't

think

any are below that, but I'm not sure. If you have a problem

with

the

concepts of informed consent, and age of consent, I suggest

you

take

it

up

with your representative.

that was my point. as of today, the state defines what is or not

the

proper

defintion of marriage, not queerdom.

But the people, including the homosexuals, are part of what makes

up

"the

state". So, the state has to answer to the people, and has to

answer

to

the constitution. So yes, in part "queerdom" does define civil

marriage.

querdoom most likely will do so, when they are the majority or have

enough

political power..

Civil rights are not dependent on the majority, or political power.

without political power, there would be no civil liberty

Civil rights exist regardless of political power.

sure... ask the chinesse, north koreans, and more so the Iraquies.



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but if a 13 yr old child consents?
that why they get free comdons in school.

When I was 13 years old, I would have liked to have had

a

woman

with

whom

to

play. Where is the abuse here, if a woman had allowed me

to

play

with

her?

Legally, though, she'd be a pedophile until I'd reached

the

age

of

14.

so.. if a 13 yr old give consent... it should be ok,

because

it

is

informed.. right?

The State sets the age at which consent can legally be

given,

not

the

teen

in question. In some states, that is as low as 14 years

old,

I

don't

think

any are below that, but I'm not sure. If you have a

problem

with

the

concepts of informed consent, and age of consent, I suggest

you

take

it

up

with your representative.

that was my point. as of today, the state defines what is or

not

the

proper

defintion of marriage, not queerdom.

But the people, including the homosexuals, are part of what

makes

up

"the

state". So, the state has to answer to the people, and has to

answer

to

the constitution. So yes, in part "queerdom" does define civil

marriage.

querdoom most likely will do so, when they are the majority or

have

enough

political power..

Civil rights are not dependent on the majority, or political power.

without political power, there would be no civil liberty

Civil rights exist regardless of political power.

sure... ask the chinesse, north koreans, and more so the Iraquies.

Please join us here in the country we are talking about. However, even in those (horribly misspelled) countries, civil rights still exist. The government squashes them, but they still exist. I know that is a concept
that will ellude you though.


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Civil rights exist regardless of political power.

sure... ask the chinesse, north koreans, and more so the Iraquies.

Please join us here in the country we are talking about. However, even

in

those (horribly misspelled) countries, civil rights still exist. The government squashes them, but they still exist. I know that is a concept that will ellude you though.

I don't know enough about the other two countries, but China enjoys some priviledges that the US does not. For example, literature. Plaigiarism,
while technically illegal, is rampant and China remains unconcerned. Their
only reason for making copyright laws in the first place was so that they
could join the WTO. And that is a nasty series of errors.


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"Steven" <wordsworm@(erase)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:F_Igb.70916$282.1332778@weber.videotron.net...

Civil rights exist regardless of political power.

sure... ask the chinesse, north koreans, and more so the Iraquies.

Please join us here in the country we are talking about. However, even

in

those (horribly misspelled) countries, civil rights still exist. The government squashes them, but they still exist. I know that is a

concept

that will ellude you though.

I don't know enough about the other two countries, but China enjoys some priviledges that the US does not. For example, literature. Plaigiarism,
while technically illegal, is rampant and China remains unconcerned. Their only reason for making copyright laws in the first place was so that they could join the WTO. And that is a nasty series of errors.

China is actually not concerned about plagiarism when the sources are
foriegn, they tend to crack down when the theft is from domestic sources.


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