Under John Ashcroft's supervision, the Justice Department has
crafted yet another piece of model legislation that proponents
falsely claim would help fight terrorism.
The proposal was previously Patriot Act II, with Patriot Act I
being the increasingly unpopular legislation that has attracted much-justified criticism as a violation of the 1st, 4th, and 5th
Amendments. In light of the drop in popular support for the first
Patriot Act, the Justice Department has removed some of the more
threatening provisions from Patriot Act II and renamed its proposal
the Vital Interdiction of Criminal Terrorists Organizations (Victory)
Act. For a while, a version of the legislation been the "Domestic
Security Enhancement Act." The model legislation is a classic
example of a government bureaucrat proposing a more sweeping piece of legislation than he aims to get. As originally written, the Victory
Act would authorize the Federal Government to strip any person of his citizenship for membership in any political party or other political organization, regardless of whether the organization promotes
terrorism. The DNC and RNC would be in violation! The Victory
Act, as it now stands, would authorize the Federal
Government to examine business records without a search warrant or
subpoena and delay notification for several years. This would include
credit and debit card transactions, every business's ledgers, and
even the records Giant and Safeway keep of purchases made on their
bonus and club cards. The Sec. 504 the language in the Victory Act
includes records that ISPs, online brokerages, banks, and telephone
companies keep on their customers' transactions.
The Victory Act is one of the gravest threats to Constitutional
rights Americans face today.
When it comes to fighting terrorism, the Victory Act is a cruel
farce. It would merely reward terrorists by depriving Americans of
some of the very freedoms terrorists deplore.
Under John Ashcroft's supervision, the Justice Department has crafted
yet another piece of model legislation that proponents falsely claim would help fight terrorism.
The proposal was previously Patriot Act II, with Patriot Act I being the increasingly unpopular legislation that has attracted much-justified criticism as a violation of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments. In light of
the drop in popular support for the first Patriot Act, the Justice
Department has removed some of the more threatening provisions from Patriot Act II and renamed its proposal the Vital Interdiction of Criminal
Terrorists Organizations (Victory) Act. For a while, a version of the legislation been the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act."
The model legislation is a classic example of a government bureaucrat proposing a more sweeping piece of legislation than he aims to get. As originally written, the Victory Act would authorize the Federal Government
to strip any person of his citizenship for membership in any political party or other political organization, regardless of whether the organization promotes terrorism. The DNC and RNC would be in violation!
The Victory Act, as it now stands, would authorize the Federal
Government to examine business records without a search warrant or subpoena and delay notification for several years. This would include credit and
debit card transactions, every business's ledgers, and even the records
Giant and Safeway keep of purchases made on their bonus and club cards. The Sec. 504 the language in the Victory Act includes records that ISPs, online brokerages, banks, and telephone companies keep on their customers' transactions.
The Victory Act is one of the gravest threats to Constitutional rights Americans face today.
When it comes to fighting terrorism, the Victory Act is a cruel farce. It would merely reward terrorists by depriving Americans of some of the very freedoms terrorists deplore.
Under John Ashcroft's supervision, the Justice Department has crafted
yet another piece of model legislation that proponents falsely claim would help fight terrorism.
The proposal was previously Patriot Act II, with Patriot Act I being the increasingly unpopular legislation that has attracted much-justified criticism as a violation of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments. In light of
the drop in popular support for the first Patriot Act, the Justice
Department has removed some of the more threatening provisions from Patriot Act II and renamed its proposal the Vital Interdiction of Criminal
Terrorists Organizations (Victory) Act. For a while, a version of the legislation been the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act."
The model legislation is a classic example of a government bureaucrat proposing a more sweeping piece of legislation than he aims to get. As originally written, the Victory Act would authorize the Federal Government
to strip any person of his citizenship for membership in any political party or other political organization, regardless of whether the organization promotes terrorism. The DNC and RNC would be in violation!
The Victory Act, as it now stands, would authorize the Federal
Government to examine business records without a search warrant or subpoena and delay notification for several years. This would include credit and
debit card transactions, every business's ledgers, and even the records
Giant and Safeway keep of purchases made on their bonus and club cards. The Sec. 504 the language in the Victory Act includes records that ISPs, online brokerages, banks, and telephone companies keep on their customers' transactions.
The Victory Act is one of the gravest threats to Constitutional rights Americans face today.
When it comes to fighting terrorism, the Victory Act is a cruel farce. It would merely reward terrorists by depriving Americans of some of the very freedoms terrorists deplore.
Under John Ashcroft's supervision, the Justice Department has crafted--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113
yet another piece of model legislation that proponents falsely claim would help fight terrorism.
The proposal was previously Patriot Act II, with Patriot Act I being the increasingly unpopular legislation that has attracted much-justified criticism as a violation of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments. In light of
the drop in popular support for the first Patriot Act, the Justice
Department has removed some of the more threatening provisions from Patriot Act II and renamed its proposal the Vital Interdiction of Criminal
Terrorists Organizations (Victory) Act. For a while, a version of the legislation been the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act."
The model legislation is a classic example of a government bureaucrat proposing a more sweeping piece of legislation than he aims to get. As originally written, the Victory Act would authorize the Federal Government
to strip any person of his citizenship for membership in any political party or other political organization, regardless of whether the organization promotes terrorism. The DNC and RNC would be in violation!
The Victory Act, as it now stands, would authorize the Federal
Government to examine business records without a search warrant or subpoena and delay notification for several years. This would include credit and
debit card transactions, every business's ledgers, and even the records
Giant and Safeway keep of purchases made on their bonus and club cards. The Sec. 504 the language in the Victory Act includes records that ISPs, online brokerages, banks, and telephone companies keep on their customers' transactions.
The Victory Act is one of the gravest threats to Constitutional rights Americans face today.
When it comes to fighting terrorism, the Victory Act is a cruel farce. It would merely reward terrorists by depriving Americans of some of the very freedoms terrorists deplore.
The government is playing right into the terrorists' hands. If
everyone gives up all their rights in the name of fighting terrorism,
then the terrorists have acheived what they were trying to accomplish
all along. A police state where nobody except those in Big Government
has any rights.
"sgdunn" <sgdunn@cox.net> wrote in message news:<8xyrb.12950$62.9261@lakeread04>...
Under John Ashcroft's supervision, the Justice Department has crafted
yet another piece of model legislation that proponents falsely claim would help fight terrorism.
The proposal was previously Patriot Act II, with Patriot Act I being the
increasingly unpopular legislation that has attracted much-justified criticism as a violation of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments. In light of the drop in popular support for the first Patriot Act, the Justice Department has removed some of the more threatening provisions from Patriot Act II and renamed its proposal the Vital Interdiction of Criminal Terrorists Organizations (Victory) Act. For a while, a version of the legislation been the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act."
The model legislation is a classic example of a government bureaucrat proposing a more sweeping piece of legislation than he aims to get. As originally written, the Victory Act would authorize the Federal Government to strip any person of his citizenship for membership in any political party
or other political organization, regardless of whether the organization promotes terrorism. The DNC and RNC would be in violation!
The Victory Act, as it now stands, would authorize the Federal Government to examine business records without a search warrant or subpoena and delay notification for several years. This would include credit and debit card transactions, every business's ledgers, and even the records Giant and Safeway keep of purchases made on their bonus and club cards. The Sec. 504 the language in the Victory Act includes records that ISPs, online brokerages, banks, and telephone companies keep on their customers' transactions.
The Victory Act is one of the gravest threats to Constitutional rights Americans face today.
When it comes to fighting terrorism, the Victory Act is a cruel farce. It would merely reward terrorists by depriving Americans of some of the very freedoms terrorists deplore.
Matt D wrote:
The government is playing right into the terrorists' hands. If
everyone gives up all their rights in the name of fighting terrorism,
then the terrorists have acheived what they were trying to accomplish
all along. A police state where nobody except those in Big
Government
has any rights.
In a way, the terrorists have gotten the American government to work
for
them. The government has taken away Rights, passed restrictive laws
against all kinds of things.
The terrorists are winning the War.
The government is playing right into the terrorists' hands. If
everyone gives up all their rights in the name of fighting terrorism,
then the terrorists have acheived what they were trying to accomplish
all along. A police state where nobody except those in Big Government
has any rights.
youThe terrorists are winning the War.
You can't fight terrorism in the way the US government seems to think
can, let alone win anything. It's a long difficult road and involvesmore
than a little humility along the way. All that waging war does ispolarise
and galvanise opponents, legitamise the acts of terror as retaliationand
the true cause then becomes lost in the struggle as the spiral offear,
mistrust and violence takes over.
"Matt D" <mattdittloff@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:32473db3.0311101155.64687719@posting.google.com...
The government is playing right into the terrorists' hands. If
everyone gives up all their rights in the name of fighting terrorism,
then the terrorists have acheived what they were trying to accomplish
all along. A police state where nobody except those in Big Government
has any rights.
Its been that way all my life
voodoo disease 666
Death to the christian military.
The government is playing right into the terrorists' hands. If
everyone gives up all their rights in the name of fighting terrorism,
then the terrorists have acheived what they were trying to accomplish
all along. A police state where nobody except those in Big Government
has any rights.
On 11-11-2003 11:19, in article boqda30v0b@enews1.newsguy.com,"American"
<death@christian.gov> wrote:
terrorism,"Matt D" <mattdittloff@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:32473db3.0311101155.64687719@posting.google.com...
The government is playing right into the terrorists' hands. If
everyone gives up all their rights in the name of fighting
accomplishthen the terrorists have acheived what they were trying to
Governmentall along. A police state where nobody except those in Big
has any rights.
Its been that way all my life
voodoo disease 666
Death to the christian military.
Lots more wife swapping, adultery, and swinging in the military than christian fundamentalism.
EJ
Just wait while they start inserting transponder chips, securely
attached to vital arteries, into new born infants
"sgdunn" <sgdunn@cox.net> wrote in message news:<8xyrb.12950$62.9261@lakeread04>...
Under John Ashcroft's supervision, the Justice Department has crafted
yet another piece of model legislation that proponents falsely claim would >> help fight terrorism.
The proposal was previously Patriot Act II, with Patriot Act I being the >> increasingly unpopular legislation that has attracted much-justified
criticism as a violation of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments. In light of
the drop in popular support for the first Patriot Act, the Justice
Department has removed some of the more threatening provisions from Patriot >> Act II and renamed its proposal the Vital Interdiction of Criminal
Terrorists Organizations (Victory) Act. For a while, a version of the
legislation been the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act."
The model legislation is a classic example of a government bureaucrat
proposing a more sweeping piece of legislation than he aims to get. As
originally written, the Victory Act would authorize the Federal Government >> to strip any person of his citizenship for membership in any political party >> or other political organization, regardless of whether the organization
promotes terrorism. The DNC and RNC would be in violation!
The Victory Act, as it now stands, would authorize the Federal
Government to examine business records without a search warrant or subpoena >> and delay notification for several years. This would include credit and
debit card transactions, every business's ledgers, and even the records
Giant and Safeway keep of purchases made on their bonus and club cards. The >> Sec. 504 the language in the Victory Act includes records that ISPs, online >> brokerages, banks, and telephone companies keep on their customers'
transactions.
The Victory Act is one of the gravest threats to Constitutional rights >> Americans face today.
When it comes to fighting terrorism, the Victory Act is a cruel farce. It
would merely reward terrorists by depriving Americans of some of the very
freedoms terrorists deplore.
It's questionable that terrorists "deplore" these freedoms as opposed to
say freedom of religion, freedom of speech. What is not questionable is
that this act opens millions of pages of data to the to the government's >eyes, further complicating the task of sifting through it. It will result
in poorer intelligence against terrorism.
Cole Firearms Inc. wrote:
Matt D wrote:You can't fight terrorism in the way the US government seems to think you >can, let alone win anything. It's a long difficult road and involves more >than a little humility along the way. All that waging war does is polarise >and galvanise opponents, legitamise the acts of terror as retaliation and
The government is playing right into the terrorists' hands. If
everyone gives up all their rights in the name of fighting terrorism,
then the terrorists have acheived what they were trying to accomplish
all along. A police state where nobody except those in Big
Government
has any rights.
In a way, the terrorists have gotten the American government to work
for
them. The government has taken away Rights, passed restrictive laws
against all kinds of things.
The terrorists are winning the War.
the true cause then becomes lost in the struggle as the spiral of fear, >mistrust and violence takes over.
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