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no. I'm mistaking you for a campaigner for howard dean with a webblog.
you're responding that my issues with the howard dean campaign are not being allowed in your supposedly democratic/representative forum. We can agree to disagree... but you're still demonstrating that howard dean's campaigners aren't partial to free speech.

cheers!
Doc

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Jacobson
To: KEVIN ANDERSON
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Dean Issues Forum:


You're purposely mistaking us for someone else, despite my effort to tell
you otherwise, Doc.

Cheers,

Bob Jacobson
DIF Administrator
bluefire@well.com



On 11/14/03 4:00 PM, "KEVIN ANDERSON" <docmartian@msn.com> wrote:


I've already looked over dean's forum. I'm not an anarchist, I'm not
trying to get up on a soapbox. Tell you what. How bout you demonstrate to me how to post the following information to foment responsible and intelligent debate about dean's funding and the responsibility of dean's grassroots campaigners to maintain human responses to political questions.

if it makes a difference to you... I'll even take off the chant about howard dean sucking israel's bean.... but I WILL view it as censorship of my right to respond to a political agenda with creative methods.

p.s. why do you think I should be forced to use polite methods of
response when the people responding to me respond by censoring my concerns
and being abusive (Ex: You're a stoned shit for brains sleazebag and you're probably making all this up for sympathy.). As far as referring to the
methods that dean's campaigners have used to intimidate me, I can't remove those with an honest conscience because I can't justify putting someone representing an issue important to me into a situation that could lead to
their bodily harm.

I am more then willing to allow you to rewrite the information below in
a manner that echoes the policies of your weblog, I've already made it
polite. I'm sorry that referring to some of your guys as 'acting like nazis' probably gets your panties in a bind... but until they stop attempting to intimidate me with hints of vehicular manslaughter... I see little reason to refer to them as 'honorable democrats'. I'm crossposting this to a couple
more places because I think some folks ought to see it.

cheers!
Doc


While questioning Howard Dean's campaigners upon his financing... a
series of them began to defame the memory of my brother... who passed away
at Loma Linda University Medical Center in October 1984. Todd Garth Anderson was a strong and vital kid. He was a fount of humor and human love.

this link will disgust you with the soullessness of howard dean's campaigners as they attack the memory of a child victim of the godzilla of
all brain tumors. http://www.livejournal.com/users/docmartian/24959.html

words like the words posted there on behalf of a political agenda should not go unavenged..

I personally think the best revenge is to spread the word. Dean's staff
are human filth. If you wish to write them however, please take into account that I've had networks of them swerve their cars at me... attempt to
physically intimidate me... and act like nazis in a variety of shocking
methods of huey long style politics. Spread the word remains my advice, you have greater networks of communication as activists, students and humanists, then they have as corrupt thugs.

Respectfully,

Kevin Anderson

howard dean! sucking israel's bean! a sellout machine! building fences
not dreams! from the same guys that shot yitzhak rabin! and his lovely
zionist wife, dr. steinberg-dean! bought by sex, a second doctor's income
and ice cream. howard dean!






----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Jacobson <mailto:bluefire@well.com>

To: KEVIN ANDERSON <mailto:docmartian@msn.com>

Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:31 PM

Subject: Re: Dean Issues Forum:


Dear Kevin,

In life, we're all artists. We are the portraits we paint. I'm not sure I see yours clearly, so I'll withhold personal comments.

The Dean Issues Forum is not a blog. It is not a soapbox. It is democratic, as that's the only way it could be and still fulfill its
mission. But it's not anarchistic. That wouldn't work.

The Dean Issues Forum also is not affiliated with the Dean campaign
and while it's possible that Gov. Dean or his policy staff might look in
once and awhile, 99.999% of our traffic is just plain old Americans, mostly Dean supporters so far, who are curious about the policies and positions
that Dean has taken or might take. It's not a place to harangue anyone or issue personal attacks.

I recommend this: take time to look over the DIF and decide whether
you want back on. If you want back on, and can abide by the rules, which
are clearly stated, we can talk about it, Kevin.

Bob Jacobson
DIF Administrator
bluefire@well.com





On 11/14/03 2:51 PM, "KEVIN ANDERSON" <docmartian@msn.com> wrote:



what is redemptive in my behavior is that I'm an artist. I don't
see any way the bush administration will support my art... but I'm
concerned about dean's ties to israel. I've never received a straight
response about dean's ties to israel from anyone on a dean blog; just lies, accusations, personal attacks (and attacks upon my deceased brother's
memory) and censorship. Which leads me to believe that my cross-posting
this message to some censorship organizations (along with any responses) is appropriate. I was a diehard democrat for 15 years before dean's statements
on support of israel (before his 'change' to an 'evenhanded' stance) and dubya's support of a palestinian state made me decide that the gop was less likely to sell out my special interests (as an artist... how do you suppose
I would feel if the moral majority started calling dean's shots, that correlates very well to dean's selling out of palestinian concerns after decades of democratic support of a palestinian state.)

My purpose in posting to the dean blog was to convince some like-minded individuals that selling out the palestinians, insulting my deceased brother's memory, and indirect threats of physical attack are not appropriate to represent the democratic party or the american way. The post that I made is posted below (there were two or three minor variations....
feel free to contact mr. jacobson if you would like to see them.). My goal remains to convince the dean staff that israel, fascism, and threats of
arrest for non-violent political beliefs are non-conducive to a democratic victory in 2004. Hoping you will set an example of how a democratic society allows all voices to be heard.... even ones that are angered by attacks
like the ones demonstrated below.







----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Jacobson <mailto:bluefire@well.com>

To: docmartian@msn.com

Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 2:22 PM

Subject: Dean Issues Forum:



Dear Doc,

You joined the Dean Issues Forum today and immediately did some crazy acting
out, posting 14 identical, vindictive messages with no apparent policy
content.

I'm about to terminate your DIF membership, but before I do, perhaps I'm
missing something that is redemptive about your behavior. Clue
me in.

Bob Jacobson
DIF Administrator
bluefire@well.com


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From: Doc Martian

original post made to the dean issues forum.



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