From Newsgroup: alt.society.civil-liberty

I have seen no stronger proof that the federal government, CIA, monopoly
media are terrifyingly monstrous organized crime

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Pay special attention to Michael Levine's suppressed story of the CIA and
drug offensive against the US during the Viet Nam war. This story confirms
all that our deviant elites are capable of, including the 9-11 mass-murder frameup. It seems that after 150 years of unspeakable horrors done to our culture we come to the end of the road of our great good and wise rich men who have betrayed and destroyed this nation and her people -- I say, every curse uttered by the Iraqis against our sons and daughters made mercenaries
for the super rich by Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Kissinger, Rumsfeld and
Rice following their 9-11 black-op I call down thrice over upon the heads
of the American billionaires -- heads that will soon prevent jerking nooses from slipping from necks , heads that will look really great on poles on either side of the cabs of our pickup trucks as we bomb though town in the "happy days are really here again" celebration

Extreme, you say? You haven't read what follows the stories that each of
the newsmen quoted below were forced to bury under orders of the CIA and
other organized-crime that is controlling this country.

But first:

A soldier says:

"It has been tough. I have had to take a seven-year-old child home whose father we killed in an exchange of fire. The family just cried. They just cried. I am sure they will try to get revenge. That is the way it works in Iraq."

I say:

Don't worry Iraqi kids, Bush, Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Kissinger, Rumsfled and the International Billionaires and Trillionaires who control them will
be made to pay for every spilt drop of your fatherss precious innocent
blood. The truth has finally taken hold and it will not be rooted out
before justice is done. And we will bring our sons and daughters home to
hunt down the real terrorists whose names we already have written down in a book called "Who's Who"

An economist says:

"From surplus, the war-budget deficit will be $455 billion, 50 percent
larger than we were told before the war in February. But no economist in
the country really thinks the rich will build a new factory in your little town, instead they will invest their tax reduction windfall in China and Vietnam where wages are low and regulation nonexistant to put the last remaining factories and businesses in your region out of business."

I say:

The hundred billion cost of the war so far is profit from the defense
industry corporation's perspective, and from the perspective of the international bankers who lend to governments at compound interest. They
think their power has increased with this windfall of their own murderous connivance. Historians will have to look to the French Revolution for parallels to their reward is really going to be.

And as for you, dear timid and deluded reader (yes, we are all still
deluded, none of us yet grasps the full extent of the horror of this
murderous bi-partisan tyranny we have trusted so blindly for so long --
only the tip of the shitberg is now seen) -- so, at least for now,
understand this:

Your bi-partisan President (whose actions we were not supposed to criticize because of 9/11 and the terrorism threat, remember?) now claims "Saddam was
a threat to peace" -- At this point anyone who fails to publically reject
that absurd defense of this new horrific war brands himself a co-consirator, an accomplice in the obstruction of justice and a traitor
to his country -- one who need not be surprised when the swift hand of
justice grabs him out of his digs and sent to Afganistan or Iraq for trial under Islamic law (which is only fair, don't you think?).

My advice is that all who have knowingly helped further or cover the crimes coming to light, repent and confess and face justice now -- before justice tortured beyond santiy unleashes her retribution upon you. And above all,
get the hell far away from obstructing justice on the internet.

-- Dick Eastman, speaking only for himself in the hope that all will hear
and agree
Yakima, Washington


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From: JUDICIAL REFORM INVESTIGATIONS



http://www.wanttoknow.info/mediacover-up

This is a two-page summary of fascinating accounts by 18 award-winning journalists from the book Into the Buzzsaw, edited by Kristina Borjesson.
All of these writers were prevented by corporate media ownership from
reporting major, incredibly revealing news. Some were even fired or laid
off. These journalists have won numerous awards, including several Emmys and
a Pulitzer. Help create a better world by spreading this news across the
land.



Michael Levine-25-year veteran of DEA, writer for New York Times, Los
Angeles Times, and USA Today. The Chang Mai "factory" that the CIA prevented
me from destroying was the source of massive amounts of heroin being
smuggled into the US in the bodies and body bags of GIs killed in Vietnam.
Case after case was killed by CIA and State Department intervention and
there wasn't a thing we could do about it..In 1980, CIA-recruited
mercenaries and drug traffickers unseated Bolivia's democratically elected president. Bolivia [was] the source of virtually 100% of the cocaine
entering the US. Immediately after the coup, cocaine production increased massively. This was the beginning of the crack "plague.".The CIA along with State and Justice departments had to protect their drug-dealing assets by destroying a DEA investigation. How do I know? I was the inside source..I
sat down at my desk in the American embassy and wrote evidence of my
charges. I addressed it to Newsweek. Three weeks later DEA's internal
security [called] to notify me that I was under investigation..The highlight
of the 60 Minutes piece is when the administrator of the DEA, Federal Judge Robert Bonner, tells Mike Wallace, "There is no other way to put it, Mike, [what the CIA did] is drug smuggling. It's illegal." P. 264-268, 271, 289

Jane Akrehas-Fox News. After our struggle to air an honest report, Fox fired the general manager [of our station]. The new GM said that if we didn't
agree to changes that the lawyers were insisting upon, we'd be fired for insubordination in 48 hours. We pleaded with [him] to look at the facts we'd uncovered. His reply: "We paid $3 billion dollars for these TV stations. We'
ll tell you what the news is. The news is what we say it is!" [After we refused,] Fox's general manager presented us an agreement that would give us
a full year of salary, and benefits worth close to $200,000 in "consulting jobs," but with strings attached: no mention of how Fox covered up the story and no opportunity to ever expose the facts. [After declining] we were
fired. P. 43-45, 49



Kristina Borjesson-CBS, Emmy award winner. Pierre Salinger announced to the world on Nov. 8, 1996, that he'd received documents proving that a US Navy missile had accidentally downed [TWA flight 800]. That same day, FBI's Jim Kallstrom called a press conference. A man raised his hand and asked why the navy was involved in the recovery and investigation while a possible
suspect. "Remove him!" [Kallstrom] yelled. Two men leapt over to the
questioner and grabbed him by the arms. There was a momentary chill in the
air after the guy had been dragged out of the room. Kallstrom and entourage acted as if nothing had happened. P. 110, 111



Philip Weiss-New York Times Magazine. James Kallstrom, then of the FBI, said vehemently at a press conference that every boat in the area of the [TWA
flight 800] crash had been identified. Subsequently, government radar data
was released showing that the boat closest to the crash had never been identified and sped away at more than thirty knots an hour. Kallstrom was
later hired by CBS. P. 186



April Oliver-CNN. CNN was a willing accomplice in [the] campaign to crush
the [Tailwind] story. CNN management ran at the first sign of heat. The heat included everyone from Henry Kissinger and Colin Powell to Special Forces veterans. My co-producer and I were fired. We were branded journalistic
felons. CNN's goal, in the words of one manager, "kill this thing, drive a stake through its heart and bury it." P. 217, 218



Greg Palast-BBC. In the months leading up to the November [2000] balloting, Gov. Jeb Bush ordered elections supervisors to purge 58,000 voters on the grounds they were felons not entitled to vote. As it turns out, only a
handful of these voters were felons. This extraordinary news ran on page one
of the country's leading paper. Unfortunately, it was in the wrong country: Britain. In the USA, it was not covered. The office of the governor [also] illegally ordered the removal of felons from the voter rolls-real felons-but with the right to vote under Florida law. As a result, 50,000 of these
voters could not vote. The fact that 90% of these voters were Democrats
should have made it news as this alone more than accounted for Bush's
victory. P. 65, 66



Monika Jensen-Stevenson-Emmy-winning producer for 60 minutes. Robert R. Garwood-14 years a prisoner of the Vietnamese, was found guilty in the
longest court-martial in US history. At the end of the court-martial, there seemed no question that Garwood was a monstrous traitor. Several years later
in 1985, Garwood was speaking publicly about something that had never made
the news during his court-martial. He knew of other American prisoners in Vietnam long after the war was over. He was supported by Vietnam veterans
whose war records were impeccable..My sources included outstanding experts
like former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency General Tighe and
returned POWs like Captain McDaniel, who held the Navy's top award for
bravery. With such advocates, it was hard not to consider the possibility
that prisoners (some 3,500) had in fact been kept by the Vietnamese as
hostages to make sure the US would pay the more than $3 billion in war reparations. [After the war] American POWs had become worthless pawns. The
US had not paid the promised monies and had no intention of paying in the future. P. 225, 226, 233


Gary Webb-San Jose Mercury News, Pulitzer Prize winner. In 1996, I wrote a series of stories that began this way: For the better part of a decade, a
Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods gangs of LA
and funneled millions in drug profits to a guerilla army run by the CIA. The cocaine that flooded in helped spark a crack explosion in urban America..The story was developing a momentum all of its own, despite a virtual news
blackout from the major media. Ultimately, it was public pressure that
forced the national newspapers into the fray. The Washington Post, the New
York Times, and the Los Angeles Times published stories, but spent little
time exploring the CIA's activities. Instead, my reporting and I became the focus of their scrutiny. It was remarkable [Mercury News editor] Ceppos
wrote, that the four Washington Post reporters assigned to debunk the series "could not find a single significant factual error." A few months later, the Mercury News [due to intense CIA pressure] backed away from the story, publishing a long column by Ceppos apologizing for "shortcomings" in the series. The New York Times hailed Ceppos for "setting a brave new standard," and splashed his apology on their front page, the first time the series had ever been mentioned there. I quit the Mercury News not long after that..Do
we have a free press today? Sure. It's free to report all the sex scandals,
all the stock market news, [and] every new health fad that comes down the
pike. But when it comes to the real down and dirty stuff-such stories are
not even open for discussion. P. 297, 303-310



John Kelly-author, ABC producer. ABC hired me to help produce a story about
an investment firm that was heavily involved with the CIA. Part of the ABC report charged that the CIA had plotted to assassinate an American, Ron
Rewald, the president of [the investment firm]. Scott Barnes said on camera that the CIA had asked him to kill Rewald. After the show aired, CIA
officials met with ABC executive David Burke, [who] was sufficiently
impressed "by the vigor with which they made their case" to order an on-air "clarification." But that was not enough. [CIA Director] Casey called ABC Chairman Goldenson. [Thus] despite all the documented evidence presented in
the program, Peter Jennings reported that ABC could no longer substantiate
the charges. That same day, the CIA filed a formal complaint with the FCC charging that ABC had "deliberately distorted" the news. In the complaint, Casey asked that ABC be stripped of its TV and radio Licenses..During this time, Capital Cities Communications was maneuvering to buy ABC. [CIA
Director] Casey was one of the founders of Cap Cities. Cap Cities bought
ABC. Within months, the entire investigative unit was dispersed. P. 326-329



Robert McChesney-500 radio & TV appearances. [There has been a] striking consolidation of the media from hundreds of firms to an industry dominated
by less than ten enormous transnational conglomerates. The largest ten media firms own all US TV networks, most TV stations, all major film studios, all major music companies, nearly all cable TV channels, much of the book and magazine publishing [industry], and much, much more. Expensive investigative journalism-especially that which goes after national security or powerful corporate interests-is discouraged. Largely irrelevant human
interest/tragedy stories get extensive coverage..A few weeks after the war began in Afghanistan, CNN president Isaacson authorized CNN to provide two different versions of the war: a more critical one for the global audience
and a sugarcoated one for Americans..It is nearly impossible to conceive of
a better world without some changes in the media status quo. We have no time
to waste. P. 371-381
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The Complete 9-11 Timeline - Website - by Paul Thompson

This well researched website has over 200 pages of explosive information on 9-11, all of it taken from major media sources! With each statement, direct links are provided to the source article on the major media website. This allows for quick and easy verification, even on the summaries. The evidence strongly suggests that 9-11 was allowed to happen by certain top government, military, and intelligence officials to protect and control the
international trade of oil. After reading and verifying this information,
you will never be able to look at 9-11 the same again. Available free at http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline

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About what you have just read:

Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press
Tue Jul 15 12:50:09 2003
208.152.73.155

For a fact-filled 10-page summary of the timeline, http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg

For the complete over 200-page timeline, see http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline

To verify above links and for information on other cover-ups, http://www.wanttoknow.info

Media Cover-up

Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press http://www.wanttoknow.info/mediacover-up

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Core of Iraq Weapons Case Crumbling http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071603A.shtml

Nicholas Kristof | 16 Words and Counting http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071603B.shtml

U.S. Troops Shocked by Move to Keep Them in Iraq http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071603C.shtml

VIPS | Intelligence Unglued
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071603D.shtml


9-11 Pentagon attack inside-job black-op frameup crime evidence organized
for the prosecution:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/

http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html http://www.koolpages.com/killtown/flight77.html

http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/messenger.html
http://www.truthout.org http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/temoins_en.htm

http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html

http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com
http://www.antiwar.com

http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/
http://www.911timeline.net/

http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm


Paul Krugman | Pattern of Corruption http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071603E.shtml

Afghan Minister Warns U.S. Credibility at Stake http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071603F.shtml

Robert Scheer | A Firm Basis for Impeachment http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071603G.shtml

Prosecutors Defy Judge, 9/11 Terrorist May Be Released http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071603H.shtml

White House Projects Record $455B Deficit http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071603I.shtml

Iraqis Don't Fear the 'Shadow of Saddam' http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071603J.shtml




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From Newsgroup: alt.society.civil-liberty

Fred,

You can't stop Zionist internet agents from spreading their racist violence doctrines by telling them to "seek help." Wolfowitz, Perle, Kissinger, Rumsfeld and the billionaires and trillionaires who hold them on retainer
are
not going to seek help because sane Fred G_____ recommends it to them.

They did 9-11 to get the wars they wanted and to get your gentile sons
and daughters to do the killing and dying for them. They control this
country psychologically and their shills on the internet are part of
the coverup and selling program.

You can't tell them to "seek help" and expect it to do any good. You
must work for the awakening of the good quiet people to rise up and
pull these murdering lyers down on obstruction of justice charges.

Meanwhile, here is something to clear your head of Zionist smoke:

--------------------

Articles:


TOO LITTLE TOO LATE

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB105821991056891800,00.html
An unusual manifesto is circulating through the e-mail boxes of
prominent Washingtonians from an ad hoc group calling itself the
"Committee for the Republic." Its five sponsors include conservative
C. Boyden Gray, a White House lawyer in the first Bush administration;
Chas. W. Freeman, a former ambassador to Saudi Arabia; and Stephen
Cohen, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.


===========

Senate Republicans on Wednesday defeated calls by Democrats for an
independent commission to examine intelligence President Bush used to
justify the Iraq invasion, and to force him to disclose costs and
plans to stabilize postwar Iraq.

http://tinyurl.com/h7a1

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Who's Who on the 9/11 "Independent" Commission
by Michel Chossudovsky
GO HERE FOR FULL STORY AND LINKS: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307B.html


(Cont'd) Lee H. Hamilton Vice Chair http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307B.html

"Representation" on the Commission: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307B.html

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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,465137,00.html
Inside the Bush Administration's feud with the diplomat who poured
cold water on the Iraq-uranium connection. ... Former Ambassador
Joseph C. Wilson raised the Administration's ire with an op-ed piece
in The New York Times on July 6 charging that the Administration had
"twisted" intelligence to "exaggerate" the Iraqi threat.

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Climate of Fear: Sexual Violence and Abduction of Women and Girls in
Baghdad," Full Report available:
In HTML format
http://hrw.org/reports/2003/iraq0703/

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Rumsfeld Operated His Own Spy Ring http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=42254;title=APFN

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http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html
How will President George W. Bush personally make millions (if not
billions) from the War on Terror and Iraq? The old fashioned way.
He'll inherit it.
Meet The Carlyle Group
Former World Leaders and Washington Insiders Making Billions in the
War on Terrorism ....
It is hard to imagine an address closer to the heart of American
power. The offices of the Carlyle Group are on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington DC, midway between the White House and the Capitol
building, and within a stone's throw of the headquarters of the FBI
and numerous government departments. The address reflects Carlyle's
position at the very center of the Washington establishment, but amid
the frenetic politicking that has occupied the higher reaches of that
world in recent weeks, few have paid it much attention. Elsewhere, few
have even heard of it...

But since the start of the "war on terrorism", the firm - unofficially
valued at $13.5bn - has taken on an added significance. Carlyle has
become the thread which indirectly links American military policy in Afghanistan to the personal financial fortunes of its celebrity
employees, not least the current president's father. And, until
earlier this month, Carlyle provided another curious link to the
Afghan crisis: among the firm's multi-million-dollar investors were
members of the family of Osama bin Laden More...

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Iraq: Insecurity Driving Women Indoors http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/iraq071603.htm
The insecurity plaguing Baghdad and other Iraqi cities has a distinct
and debilitating impact on the daily lives of women and girls,
preventing them from participating in public life at a crucial time in
their country's history, Human Rights Watch said in a report released
today.

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Challenge: Anyone who is willing to argue the evidence against my
claim of solid incontrovertable proof that the attack on the Pentagon
was an inside-job black-op mass-murder frameup by "neo-conservative"
zionist operatives in the Defense Department -- I will debate you in
a special thread on these newsgroups -- I only ask that you be willing
to share your evidence and argue the merits of your case yourself from
the evidence. Right now exactly no one is making any new counter
arguments to replace the once refuted by the "small-killer-jet"
evidence. -- Dick Eastman

review the evidence for the small-killer jet here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message
s

and here:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm

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DO YOU REMEMBER THIS: "THEY HATE US BECAUSE OF OUR FREEDOMS" ?

911 : nearly two years and two wars later ...............
by "Ethic"
( sorry for my poor English language )
It was to be ** The largest criminal investigation in the history of
the nation **

On September 11, 2001, when most were too numb to contemplate much of
anything, Newsweek told us what
to expect.
"As a small army of fire fighters struggled to put out the flames at
the World Trade Center in New York and at the Pentagonin Washington,"
Peg Tyre wrote : "federal law enforcement
agencies had already begun marshaling agents, readying them for what
promises to be the largest criminal investigation in the history of
the nation."
[ http://www.msnbc.com/news/627334.asp?0sp=w12b7&cp1=1 ]

Nearly two years (and two wars) later, however, this huge
investigation hasn't panned out. Attempts to uncover intelligence
failures have been routinely thwarted; Halliburton has accomplished
more in Afghanistan
http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=2471 ]

and Iraq [ http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/11/news/companies/war_halliburton
] than Bush's " DEAD or ALIVE " doctrine; and sadly, the CIA's
"spectacular attack" pertains not only to the trauma of 9/11, but to
subsequent assaults on Americans' faith and trust.

Regardless how anyone frames it, the White House duped us. From "THEY
HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS" to "SOLID
EVIDENCE" of Al-Qaeda/Iraq connections, the Administration skirted
some issues and manipulated information on others.

In short, Bush Inc. lied and pressured others to do the same. The
game plan succeeded, however, as polls repeatedly indicated that more
than half of all U.S. citizens were consistently conned
into believing Iraq was an immediate threat and that Saddam was
involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.
More :
http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/03/07/01.html
The Attack Has Been Spectacular by Maureen Farrell Maureen Farrell is
a writer and media consultant who specializes in helping other writers
get television and radio exposure.
- Copyright 2003, Maureen Farrell

FAIR USE NOTICE : This post contains copyrighted material the use
of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright
owner. I am making such material available in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic,
democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. I believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided
for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 ______________________________________________________

Nearly two years and two wars later, the Bush Gang is promoting
its reconstruction efforts, what means getting business oppotunities
to the Bush Gang' friends such as : Unocal; CentGas; Betchel and
Donald Rumsfield; Halliburton, George Schulz and Dick Cheney;
Chevron and Condoleeza Rice; pharmaceutical companies and
Ayatollah John Ashcroft; Boots & Coots; KBR; DynCorp;
Carlyle Group; Georges Bush Senior and the G. W. Bush' Gang
who both get great returns ( % ) from every market
(even % over armaments ! ) Isn't it great ?

* Ethic *

( sorry for my poor English language )
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It was President Bush, that paragon of accountability, who first
pointed the finger at the director of central intelligence (DCI) and complained, in effect: "He made me say it." It was left to the
national security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, to put in the stiletto
and twist it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999258,00.html

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Muslim, Zionist: Is There a Federal Double Standard? http://www.arabia.com/newsfeed/article/english/0,14183,407055,00.html

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Waxman Letter: 'Punish Those Who Misled' http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703A.shtml

Cheney Under Pressure to Quit Over False War Evidence http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703B.shtml

Iraq Pressure on Bush Mounts as U.S. Soldier Killed http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703C.shtml

Tour of Duty or Deplorable Deployment? http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703D.shtml

Bush Faced Dwindling Data on Iraq Nuclear Bid http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703E.shtml

Showdown Nears Over Terrorism Detentions http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703F.shtml

Three Essential Errors Committed in Iraq http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703G.shtml

CIA: Assessment of Syria's WMD Exaggerated http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703H.shtml

Grassroots Uprising Fights to Protect Rights and Freedoms http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/071703I.shtml

====================

Wolfowitz committee instructed White House to use Iraq/uranium
reference in State of the Union speech --by Jason Leopold "A Pentagon
committee led by Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense,
advised George W. Bush to include a reference in his January State of
the Union address about Iraq trying to purchase 500 tons of uranium
from Niger to bolster the case for war in Iraq, despite the fact that
the CIA warned Wolfowitz's committee that the information was
unreliable, according to a CIA intelligence official and four members
of the Senate's intelligence committee who have been investigating the
issue."

-------------------------- http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html
According to former Bush officials, all defence and intelligence
sources, senior administration figures created a shadow agency of
Pentagon analysts staffed mainly by ideological amateurs to compete
with the CIA and its military counterpart, the Defence Intelligence
Agency.

The agency, called the Office of Special Plans (OSP), was set up by
the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, to second-guess CIA
information and operated under the patronage of hardline conservatives
in the top rungs of the administration, the Pentagon and at the White
House, including Vice-President Dick Cheney.

The ideologically driven network functioned like a shadow government,
much of it off the official payroll and beyond congressional
oversight. But it proved powerful enough to prevail in a struggle with
the State Department and the CIA by establishing a justification for
war.

Mr Tenet has officially taken responsibility for the president's unsubstantiated claim in January that Saddam Hussein's regime had been
trying to buy uranium in Africa, but he also said his agency was under
pressure to justify a war that the administration had already decided
on.

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NEO-CONS HAVE DONE US A FAVOR... AND DON'T EVEN KNOW IT
Well, let me put it this way. Those deceiving, nation-wrecking
sonsabitches didn't mean to do us any favors, but it turned out that
way. And there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. http://www.etherzone.com/2003/moor071703.shtml


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Peaceful Warrior

Chris Strohm is a freelance reporter and volunteer with the DC
Independent Media Center. Ingrid Drake is a correspondent for Pacifica
Radio's Peacewatch program.
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8341

As the U.S. occupation of Iraq extends with no end in sight, and the
death toll for both U.S. soldiers and Iraqi civilians continues to
mount, more voices of dissent from military personnel and families are surfacing every day.

One of the most poignant so far comes from a young Marine who gave an
interview with Pacifica Radio's Peacewatch program the night before he
was deployed to Iraq. He discussed his strong commitment to peace, and
said the Bush administration was violating constitutional principles
and misleading the country into an unjust war.

He was killed in late June, fighting a war he didn't believe in.

Because the interview was given under the condition of anonymity, and
out of respect for the current wishes of his family, the Marine will
be identified in this story only as John (not his real name). John's
friends describe him as a passionate, intense person with an
insatiable appetite for knowledge and a commitment to peace. He
studied philosophy and peace with an emphasis on Middle Eastern
affairs, particularly Iraq and Israel.

His friends say he went into the military under the Clinton
administration to gain credibility, so that perhaps someday his
beliefs on how to build a lasting peace in the Middle East would be
taken seriously. In the months before his deployment, he helped
organize anti-war campaigns, mainly working behind the scenes.

In his interview with Pacifica, John expressed outrage that a
legitimate public debate on the war had not occurred. Many
alternatives to combat were available, he explained, such as using
money being spent for war to finance a grassroots Iraqi democracy
movement that would rival the Baath regime, or promoting democracy
throughout the Middle East to show people alternative forms of
government.

"It is almost unimaginable to expect that this war is going to create
a better peace for anybody with the exception of a very small
percentage of people," he said.

He accused the administration of not talking honestly with the
American public about potential consequences of a U.S. war on Iraq,
such as the potential for urban combat, the psyche of the Iraqi
people, the impact on the United Nations and the fate of the Middle
East.

"This could have repercussions in terms of the war on terrorism," he
said. "It could have repercussions on international diplomacy. It
could have repercussions on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. It could
have repercussions in terms of our ability to get anything else done
in the United Nations. And even if... everything goes the way it's
supposed to go, what does that mean for the world order? It says that
we basically can do whatever we want to do whenever we want to do it
because we are the world's sole superpower."

But even as he expressed doubts about the Bush administration's
decision, he spoke eloquently about his patriotism, and looked to the
highest ideals of the country for inspiration:

"I believe in the United States. I believe in the Constitution. I
think it's perhaps one of the greatest documents ever written. I
believe in the idea that we the people are sovereign and we determine
our own destiny. We have a democracy and the Bill of Rights and
freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom of religion and due
process. Until the world is such a place that we can really live
without the military, individual Americans have to step up and they
have to serve."

The Bush administration, he claimed, had not made a credible case for
war with Iraq, and was violating constitutional principles by sending
troops into combat. He spoke of the Declaration of Independence, and
how its writers vowed to be free of England, where their lives were
ruled and determined by one man. "The constant rhetoric of the
administration is that there's going to be one person who decides when
we go to war," he said, "and that is such a blatant violation of every constitutional principle that our founding fathers came up with."

"But even beyond that, it's 'we the people' that this nation is
about," he continued. "It isn't about politics or personal agendas or
political agendas or economic agendas. And I believe that this war is
not the right thing for America because it hasn't yet been proven
conclusively that there is a threat to 'we the people' -- and I think
that is the sole determining factor as to whether or not this nation
should ever go to war."

With chilling foresight, John predicted that much could go wrong in a
war with Iraq, saying the outcomes outlined by the administration were
based on highly optimistic and rosy scenarios. He said it was unlikely
that Iraqis would cheer the arrival of a U.S. occupying force, and
that long-term urban combat could be a likely outcome.

Yet he went to Iraq, believing it to be his duty. And continued, even
in the midst of combat, to exercise his belief in nonviolent
resolution. One of his commanders wrote a letter after his death
explaining a situation in which John negotiated a peaceful settlement
to a potentially deadly situation. A group of Baath Party officials
were found inside a house. Because he spoke Arabic, John entered the
house and talked with the officials until he
negotiated a surrender. His actions potentially saved the lives of
both U.S.
soldiers and Iraqis.

In letters home, John described the peace movement as "awesome," and
said he hoped it would grow larger, never relent against the Bush administration, and help bring an end to the war.

Around June 20, those letters stopped.

As of July 14, 32 American soldiers have died from hostile action
since Bush declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq on May
1, according to the Pentagon. Forty-three other service members have
died in incidents unrelated to hostilities.

Nancy Lessin, co-founder of Military Families Speak Out, says more
people are becoming outraged now that the war against Iraq has turned
into a highly risky occupation.

"Too many U.S. military personnel and way too many innocent Iraqis
have been killed," she says. "And what we predicted to be true has
come true, that there are no weapons of mass destruction. Everything
we said was going to happen is coming to pass, and one of the most
frightening aspects of this is that the people of this country haven't completely risen up in opposition to what's going on."

Her words are echoed, and answered, by John's. Before he was deployed,
John wrote a final letter as part of his will.

"That I have died means I have failed to achieve the one thing in life
I truly longed to give the world -- peace," the letter reads. "The
plight of human suffering consumed me and I dedicated much to trying
to find the ideas that might lead humankind toward alleviating it for
all. It was a quest which was inextricably intertwined with my quest
for freedom. If you know anything about me you know that. Understand
it and come to understand how the suffering of others tormented my
soul. Then seek to honor my memory by trying to achieve what I could
not."

Andrew Korfhage provided additional reporting for this article.

=================

OPINION POLLSTER WHO SAID BUSH HAD 80 PERCETN APPROVAL A FEW MONTHS
BACK, NOW SAYS MAJORITY OF IRAQIS WANT US TROOPS TO STAY -- WHAT
THIS MEANS OF COURSE IS THAT WOLFOWITZ-PERLE-RUMSFELD-KISSINGER ARE
NOW SHIFTING BLAME FOR THE DEADLY AND CRIMINAL OCCUPATION TO "THE WILL
OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE" -- DO YOU SUPPOSE ARMED SOLDIERS WENT HOUSE
TO HOUSE PROTECTING THE POLLSTERS AS THEY DID THEIR WORK?

=====================

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0717/p01s02-woeu.html

WASHINGTON AND LONDON - British Prime Minister Tony Blair speaks to a
joint
session of Congress Thursday as he receives the Congressional Gold
Medal - a
double honor last bestowed on Winston Churchill.

======================


http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0717/p01s02-woeu.html

WASHINGTON AND LONDON - British Prime Minister Tony Blair speaks to a
joint
session of Congress Thursday as he receives the Congressional Gold
Medal - a
double honor last bestowed on Winston Churchill.

============

CALCUTTA Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee's refusal to send peacekeeping troops to Iraq should warn President George W. Bush of
the problems that American unilateralism can create for traditionally non-aligned Asian nations. ..........Vajpayee cannot forget that a
coalition of nationalist, left and Muslim groups, led by the Congress
party, hounded former Prime Minister Chandra Shekhar out of office for
allowing U.S. warplanes to land and refuel at Indian airports during
the first Gulf war.
http://www.iht.com/articles/102968.html

=================

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3284-748050,00.html
It is a prospect to make any sensible person weep: Washington later
today, Tokyo tomorrow evening, Seoul and Beijing on Sunday, Shanghai
and Hong Kong on Tuesday, London on Thursday. Seven cities in eight
days sounds like the itinerary of a deranged tourist, or a CEO who
cannot wait to make use of his new executive jet, but it is actually
the Prime Minister's schedule for the coming week.

=================

The U.S. military's new commander in Iraq acknowledged for the first
time yesterday that American troops are engaged in a "classical
guerrilla-type" war against remnants of former Iraqi president Saddam
Hussein's Baath Party and said Baathist attacks are growing in
organization and sophistication. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2830-2003Jul16.html?nav=hptop _tb


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Blair waters down claim linking Iraq to Niger uranium http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=425057

======================

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=425053
u131,000 a year - more than any cabinet minister - the Government said
last night -- The bill for ministers' special advisers and spin
doctors has trebled since Labour came to power and now costs the
taxpayer u5.4m a year. The soaring bill has angered MPs who have
questioned the need for so many special advisers, particularly in
Downing Street, where there are 26.

=======================

UK Cost Of Occupation: u5m A Day - Human Life Cost Extra


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999719,00.html

========================







George W. Bush once again showed himself to be
unfit to be President of the United States when
answering questions with the United Nations Secretary
General Kofi Annan at a photo opportunity at the
Oval Office on Monday, July 14.?

In reply to a question related to the now discredited
claim that Iraq tried to buy Uranium yellowcake from
Niger, George W. sidetracked with a startling, new
explanation of why Saddam Hussein was removed
from power.

He said, "And we gave him [Saddam Hussein ] a chance
to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in.
And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided
to remove him from power, along with other nations, so
as to make sure he was not a threat to the United States
and our friends and allies in the region."

The statement is posted at the official White House web site - http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030714-3.html

This is such an extraordinary perversion of the truth, I am
left flabbergasted, and hardly able to think through what it
actually means that the most powerful nation in the world
is led by a man who so totally twists the facts. For starters,
perhaps George W. Bush was not telling a lie so much
as once again demonstrating an inability to distinguish fact
from fiction, even with regard to actions that he commands.

As I remember it the UN inspectors were in Iraq and the
Iraqi government was providing them with unfettered access
to facilities, even allowing them to dismantle Iraqi missiles,
when they were instructed by the UN Secretary-General
to leave Iraq, just prior to the US-UK invasion.

Here is the full text of the White House reported question and
answer exchange, which ended with the faux pas that must have
made Kofi Annan, for one, wince, without daring to correct
(So what does that say about Kofi Annan? Was boy George
unconsciously daring him to put him right?):

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, Dana, one last question.

Q Mr. President, back on the question of Iraq, and that
specific line that has been in question --

THE PRESIDENT: Can you cite the line? (Laughter.)

Q I could, if you gave me some time.

THE PRESIDENT: When I gave the speech, the line was
relevant.

Q So even though there has been some question about
the intelligence -- the intelligence community knowing
beforehand that perhaps it wasn't, you still believe that
when you gave it --

THE PRESIDENT: Well, the speech that I gave was
cleared by the CIA. And, look, the thing that's important
to realize is that we're constantly gathering data. Subsequent
to the speech, the CIA had some doubts. But when I gave
the -- when they talked about the speech and when they
looked at the speech, it was cleared. Otherwise, I wouldn't
have put it in the speech. I'm not interested in talking about
intelligence unless it's cleared by the CIA. And as Director
Tenet said, it was cleared by the CIA.

The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did
Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the
answer is, absolutely. And we gave him a chance to allow
the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And,
therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to
remove him from power, along with other nations, so as
to make sure he was not a threat to the United States
and our friends and allies in the region. I firmly believe
the decisions we made will make America more secure
and the world more peaceful.


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Nico Haupt: Dead Microbiologist Kelly Was Chief At Porton Down Chemical and Biological Defence Establishment

And Other Articles

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7-18-3

Dead Microbiologist Kelly Was Chief At Porton Down
From Nico Haupt
Global Free Press


As GFP found out (last week), ...Kelly was more than just an "adviser to the Foreign Office". From 1984-1992 he was Head of Microbiology at the Chemical
and Biological Defence Establishment, Porton Down. Kelly was also among the hardliners who claimed that Iraq had WMD. In October 2001, Kelly claimed,
that in 1985, Iraq obtained Anthrax through a mail order of Virginia-based American Type Culture Collection. It was not obvious if Kelly was indeed
the BBC Source. Kelly took also part in all trilateral visits to the former Soviet Union, Russia, the US and the UK. He was Senior Advisor on Biological Weapons to UNSCOM from 1994--99, and led and participated in many
inspections in Iraq from 1991--98. From 1984-1992 Kelly was Head of Microbiology at the Chemical and Biological Defence Establishment, Porton
Down. Porton Down, controversial for their Chemical Warfare Experimental Stations from the 20s to the 50s, was also able to obtain the Anthrax
Spores, which had been used in the October 2001 attacks. Porton Down, directly, and the CIA, indirectly, received their samples of the particular anthrax spores used in the attacks from the US Army Medical Research
Institute of Infections Diseases at Fort Detrick, about 50 miles north of Washington.
Since the First World War, the Chemical and Biological Defence Establishment
at Porton Down carried out experiments on volunteers to understand better
the effects of chemical agents that might be used against British troops in warfare and improve protective measures. In the 90s, Porton Down's cooperation with the British Government became stronger again and ended basically in a merger:
By 1991 the Chemical Defence Establishment of Porton Down became the
Chemical and Biological Defence Establishment and was one of the six new Defence Support Agencies. In 1995, the Establishment became part of the
Defence Evaluation and Research Agency (DERA), an executive agency of MOD evolved in 1994 from proposals of the "Front Line First Defence Cost
Studies. In 2001, DERA split into two organisations: QinetiQ, a private company, and DSTL (Defence Science and Technology Laboratory), which remains
an agency of MOD. Porton Down is now known as DSTL, Porton Down. Today,
Dstl delivers defence research, specialist technical services and the
ability to track global technological developments.

In July 2002, the Carlyle Group took a 34% stake in QinetiQ

===============

Also:

Dead UK Advisor Was BBC Source For Blair Criticisms on Iraq http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/072103I.shtml


--------

The torment of a man who knew too much
(SNIP)
According to Professor Julian Perry Robinson, Britain's most senior and respected expert on chemical weapons and a friend and colleague of Dr
Kelly, these experiences hardened him. It seems unlikely that a man with
his background would have been driven to suicide by one or two bumptious members of the parliamentary Foreign Affairs Committee, unpleasant though
he clearly found his public grilling by the MPs.

Friends and fellow scientists have speculated that he came under heavy
pressure in Whitehall once he had admitted giving an unauthorised interview
to Andrew Gilligan, the BBC journalist. But he was an experienced
bureaucrat who had been spied on and bullied by far more menacing people
than the mandarins of the Ministry of Defence.
FULL STORY: http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=42379;title=APFN

Blair on brink as Kelly family point finger - Neil Macka


Kelly death 'changes everything' BBC News - BBC NEWS, Sat Jul 19 16:01


EXCELLENT HIGHLIGHTS ON DR KELLY'S COURAGE AND TOUGHNESS. - PAUL, Sat Jul 19 22:33


Oral evidence - DR DAVID KELLY, Special Adviser to the Direc - BBC, Sat Jul
19


Journalists 'must protect whistleblowers' - BBC News

=================================================

Bush deserves to be impeached http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/margolis_jul20.html

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Media Leviathan, U.S. Intelligence Form Secret Cabal


http://www.americanfreepress.net/

http://www.americanfreepress.net/07_11_03/Media_Leviathan/media_leviathan.ht
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Media Leviathan, U.S. Intelligence Form Secret Cabal

A quiet gathering of the media's top elites to discuss mergers, with a
keynote address by the head of the CIA, escaped mention in the mainstream press.

Exclusive to American Free Press

By M. Raphael Johnson

Each year, at the posh ranch of investment banker Herbert Allen Jr., the world's media elites meet to discuss strategy, possible mergers and
editorial policy. It can only be called a media version of Bilderberg as government, corporate and media officials are meeting in secret, behind the usual wall of security.

As always, for all of these meetings that actually matter, leftist protests
are strangely nonexistent, even though it is summertime and colleges are largely empty.

This year is a bit different, given that the key note speaker is none other than CIA Director George Tenet.

Tenet's attendance has been likened to the "smoking gun" that researchers
have been looking for, proving the institutional link between finance,
media, government and business.

Like all meetings of this type, it is off limits to reporters, however
ironic it might be for a media confab.

The world's media, whose bosses are attending the gathering, have not
bothered to mention the CIA connection this year, likely the first time the world's premier intelligence gathering service has been invited to this
media gathering.

One of the main issues this year is the buying up of French media giant Vivendi, currently run by Jean Bernard Levy (aka Jean Marie Fourtou, among other names), which controls Universal Studios, according to The New York
Post.

Making bids are Edgar Bronfman, Jr. and Sumner Redstone.

Redstone also has made noises that he is interested in buying CNN.

Bronfman and Barry Diller have held high executive posts in the French conglomerate in the past, but are now using their connections to buy up the majority of shares, though some media reports deny that Diller is
interested.

Some have speculated that the "French" corporation is merely another front
for Bronfman and Zionist interests.

Bronfman is the founder of the World Jewish Congress, an organization that
also includes Vladimir Guzinsky who owns the media MOST corporation in
Russia, with major shares being owned by a CIA-conduit, The Washington Post.

CNN founder and billionaire Ted Turner, strangely, was not present, though
it might be noted that in 2002, Turner, in an interview with the British Guardian newspaper, said "Israel practices terrorism" and the "bombers are
all they [the Palestinians] have."

Major corporate sponsors included Starbucks coffee (with several others remaining secret) and the Wednesday arrival of Tom Hanks, Candace Bergen and New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg proves that this is not merely a secretive place to make deals, but is the very canvas where the American anti-culture
is painted.

Bloomberg's presence is important, for, as mayor of the most powerful city
in the world, he brought in ex-CIA spy David Cohen to become his deputy commissioner of intelligence, creating a link between the CIA, Bloomberg and this media conference.

What makes this year different is that the mergers, as mentioned by Redstone
in a recent speech at the confab, is that the FCC has relaxed its
acquisitions laws, as well as the presence of U.S. intelligence.

Of course, Tenet would not have attended unless there is an extant link
between the CIA, mass media and corporate America.

Tenet's presence is not mentioned in any CIA document or press release, nor
is any newspaper reporting it except American Free Press. The only major mention of Tenet's presence was a brief July 9 statement on Headline News, a CNN/Bronfman property found on most cable providers.

The same is said for Starbucks and as yet unnamed other corporate sponsors
of the event. Only in that brief report were they mentioned, dropping out of sight thereafter.

In 1998, when CNN did a story on the United States using nerve gas on
antiwar GIs during Vietnam, CIA operatives made them pull the story.

CNN had turned the story over to several long-time clandestine operatives, including former head of operations Ted Price. Price's successor was David Cohen.

On Nov. 11, 2001, The New York Times uncovered a ploy by the Bush administration to set up "round the clock" "news bureaus" to control the "message of the day."

Additionally, the same article reported that several dozen major Hollywood executives met with Karl Rove, President Bush's senior adviser, to find
"common ground on how the entertainment industry can contribute to the war effort, replicating in spirit if not in scope the partnership formed between filmmakers and war planners in the 1940s."

Gen. Tommy Franks stated at a press conference on March 25, 2003, that "the media is a weapon of war."

For many who have never heard of Allen's gatherings, the full institutional formation of intelligence, business, banking, media and government links is
to control the information that reaches the global public.

Allen's conferences remove such linkages from the realm of "conspiracy
theory" into the realm of real journalism. Not surprisingly, such reports
have yet to surface in the mainstream media.

=================


Death deals devastating blow to Iraq arms hunt

Martin Bright
Sunday July 20, 2003
The Observer

David Kelly was about to lead the British hunt for weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq and had contacted former UN inspectors as recently as
two weeks ago to sound them out about a new mission.
He was acting as the senior British scientific adviser to the Iraq Survey Group, the body set up by the US Government at the end of May to replace
the United Nations weapons inspection regime.

One former UN inspector, who worked with Kelly on two missions to Iraq in
the Nineties, said he had received an email from the scientist two weeks ago asking him join the survey group mission. Kelly was working directly under Brigadier John Deverell, the British second in command of the survey group.


FULL STORY:
http://www.apfn.org/APFN/DKELLY.HTM


===============

Government trying to escape a full inquiry, say Tories --The Government was accused yesterday of "running scared" of a full investigation into the death
of David Kelly when Tony Blair rejected calls for Parliament to be recalled
to approve the inquiry's terms of reference. http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=426203

============


"Never before in my 40 years of experience in this town has intelligence
been used in so cynical and so orchestrated a way. The Agency analysts that
we are in touch with are disheartened, dispirited, angry. They are
outraged."

- Raymond McGovern, a former CIA analyst and supervisor on the board of
Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, commenting on forged intelligence used as a pretext by the Bush administration to plunge America into war with of Iraq, CBS News, July 19, 2003




Ex-Spies: CIA Workers Outraged

NEW YORK, July 19, 2003




Former CIA analyst Raymond McGovern says U.S. spies are outraged at the Bush administration's cynical use of intelligence. (Photo: CBS)



"Never before in my 40 years of experience in this town has intelligence
been used in so cynical and so orchestrated a way."
Retired spy Raymond McGovern

View A 2002 Government Report on Iraqi WMD Programs. Includes maps
pinpointing suspected hidden weapons.

2002 Report


(CBS) Before the bombs fell on Baghdad, there were analysts inside the
American intelligence community who were troubled by the U.S. case for war, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Acosta.

Raymond McGovern, a former CIA analyst and supervisor, says, "Never before
in my 40 years of experience in this town has intelligence been used in so cynical and so orchestrated a way."

McGovern is one of several retired intelligence analysts who say they are speaking out for those who can't inside the CIA.

"The Agency analysts that we are in touch with are disheartened, dispirited, angry," he says. "They are outraged."

In other developments in the growing controversy over the intelligence presented to the public to justify the war in Iraq:


A British weapons expert apparently killed himself, sending the government
of Prime Minister Tony Blair deeper into crisis. David Kelly had been put uncomfortably in the spotlight as British officials have been trying to find someone to blame for accusations they hyped intelligence about Iraq's
weapons threat. Polls show the British public is losing faith in Blair with
a majority feeling they were misled about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, reports CBS News Correspondent Richard Roth.


U.S. intelligence and senior administration officials admit there has been little new evidence about Iraq's weapons program in the five years since
U.N. inspectors left Iraq, the New York Times reports.


White House officials said Friday that President Bush and his national
security advisor, Condoleezza Rice, did not entirely read the most authoritative prewar assessment of U.S. intelligence on Iraq, missing a
State Department claim that an allegation Bush would later use in his State
of the Union address was "highly dubious," the Washington Post reports.


Even as the Bush administration concluded Iraq was reviving its nuclear
weapons program, key signs - such as scientific data of weapons work and evidence of research by Iraq's nuclear experts - were missing, several
former intelligence officials tell the Associated Press.

McGovern says many in the intelligence community feel they're taking the
heat for the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and for the uproar over the president's State of the Union speech -- despite warnings
from intelligence officials to some in the administration that the case
against Saddam Hussein's weapons programs was far from air-tight.

Lawrence Korb, former assistant secretary of defense, says, "They were like lawyers trying to convince a jury. So they took bits and pieces of evidence
to present the best case."

Korb, a former Reagan administration official, says while the president was presenting a case that appeared crystal clear, intelligence experts saw a picture that was much more murky.

This is not the first time the United States has gone to war based on facts that later turned out to be questionable. Almost 40 years ago, President Johnson pointed to unconfirmed reports of attacks on American ships in the
Gulf of Tonkin to convince the congress to widen the war in Vietnam."

"There's a little inscription in the marble emblazoned at the entrance of
CIA headquarters that says 'You shall know the truth and the truth shall
make you free'," says McGovern.

For some intelligence veterans, the fear is the truth and the reputations of the people who must find the truth have become casualties of this war.


-MMIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/20/iraq/main564106.shtml







Cheney, Forgery and the CIA
Not Business as Usual
By RAY McGOVERN
former CIA Analyst

As though this were normal! I mean the repeated visits Vice President Dick Cheney made to the CIA before the war in Iraq. The visits were, in fact, unprecedented. During my 27-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency,
no vice president ever came to us for a working visit.

During the '80s, it was my privilege to brief Vice President George H.W.
Bush and other very senior policy-makers every other morning. I went either
to the vice president's office or (on weekends) to his home. I am sure it
never occurred to him to come to CIA headquarters.

The morning briefings gave us an excellent window on what was uppermost in
the minds of those senior officials and helped us refine our tasks of collection and analysis. Thus, there was never any need for policy-makers to visit us. And the very thought of a vice president dropping by to help us
with our analysis is extraordinary. We preferred to do that work without the pressure that inevitably comes from policy-makers at the table.

Cheney got into the operational side of intelligence as well. Reports in
late 2001 that Iraq had tried to acquire uranium from Niger stirred such intense interest that his office let it be known he wanted them checked out. So, with the CIA as facilitator, a retired U.S. ambassador was dispatched to Niger in February 2002 to investigate. He found nothing to substantiate the report and lots to call it into question. There the matter rested--until
last summer, after the Bush administration made the decision for war in
Iraq.

Cheney, in a speech on Aug. 26, 2002, claimed that Saddam Hussein had
"resumed his effort to acquire nuclear weapons."

At the time, CIA analysts were involved in a knock-down, drag-out argument
with the Pentagon on this very point. Most of the nuclear engineers at the
CIA, and virtually all scientists at U.S. government laboratories and the International Atomic Energy Agency, found no reliable evidence that Iraq had restarted its nuclear weapons program.

But the vice president had spoken. Sad to say, those in charge of the draft National Intelligence Estimate took their cue and stated, falsely, that
"most analysts assess Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program."

Smoke was blown about aluminum tubes sought by Iraq that, it turns out, were for conventional weapons programs. The rest amounted to things like
Hussein's frequent meetings with nuclear scientists and Iraq's foot-dragging
in providing information to U.N. inspectors.

Not much heed was paid to the fact that Hussein's son-in-law, who supervised Iraq's nuclear program before he defected in 1995, had told interrogators
that Iraq's nuclear capability--save the blueprints--had been destroyed in
1991 at his order. (Documents given to the United States this week confirm that. The Iraqi scientists who provided them added that, even though the blueprints would have given Iraq a head start, no order was given to restart the program; and even had such an order been given, Iraq would still have
been years away from producing a nuclear weapon.)

In sum, the evidence presented in last September's intelligence estimate
fell far short of what was required to support Cheney's claim that Iraq was
on the road to a nuclear weapon. Something scarier had to be produced, and quickly, if Congress was to be persuaded to authorize war. And so the
decision was made to dust off the uranium-from-Niger canard.

The White House calculated--correctly--that before anyone would make an
issue of the fact that this key piece of "intelligence" was based on a
forgery, Congress would vote yes. The war could then be waged and won. In recent weeks, administration officials have begun spreading the word that Cheney was never told the Iraq-Niger story was based on a forgery. I asked a senior official who recently served at the National Security Council if he thought that was possible. He pointed out that rigorous NSC procedures call
for a very specific response to all vice presidential questions and added
that "the fact that Cheney's office had originally asked that the Iraq-Niger report be checked out makes it inconceivable that his office would not have been informed of the results."

Did the president himself know that the information used to secure congressional approval for war was based on a forgery? We don't know. But
which would be worse--that he knew or that he didn't?

Ray McGovern, a CIA analyst from 1964 to 1990, regularly reported to the
vice president and senior policy-makers on the President's Daily Brief from 1981 to 1985. He now is co-director of the Servant Leadership School, an inner-city outreach ministry in Washington. He can be reached at: mcgovern@counterpunch.org.



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Pay special attention to the seventh article (on Wolfowitz)



contents

1) Fisk: Americans fail to disclose all attacks on troops in Iraq

2) Fisk: The Americans talk of criminal and subversive elements but this is
a guerrilla war.

3) Israel says Iran's nuclear ambition a threat to Europe and Russia
requiring immediate military remedy

4) The failure to find weapons of mass destruction can only mean one of
three things

5) Enemies from within: Iran and Saudi Arabia

6) Torture testimony acceptable: British MI5 security service expert says Britain will admit testimony gained through US torture of detainees outside
the reach of American law at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. The home secretary
says it is up to the men to prove that the evidence has been obtained under torture but the men are not allowed to hear the evidence against them.

7) Paul Wolfowitz ...... represents the Likud wing of meshuganah Israelidom and as such, he's the main belt of transmission for the Israeli
terror-tactic of assassination which has been openly and shamelessly
embraced by George Bush and the Pentagon's Task Force 20, as part of the Federal government's profound retreat from traditional American
statesmanship.


21 July 2003

Americans fail to disclose all attacks on troops in Iraq
[Premium article fee required]
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/

Faced with ever greater armed resistance to its occupation of Iraq, the US
is admitting only a fraction of the attacks in the country against its
forces, who lost another two soldiers yesterday.

Although the US authorities acknowledge ambushes in which their troops die - such as the two men of the 101st Airborne Division whose convoy was ambushed yesterday with rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire at Talafar 50
miles from Mosul - they have failed to report a mass of attacks and assaults against patrols and bases in and around Baghdad.

At Hurriyah three days ago, a patrol was ambushed by 15 armed men. But
because they suffered no casualties, the incident was not disclosed to the press. Two days earlier, a bomb described by the Americans as an "improved explosive device" (IED) - a set of mortar shells tied together - blew up outside a Baghdad bank, injuring one soldier. That attack went publicly unrecorded.

A set of security documents prepared by US military authorities, which has
been seen by The Independent, show "IEDs" are becoming one of the favourite weapons of Iraqi guerrillas, often combined with rocket-propelled grenades
and rifle fire. The documents mention 10 security "incidents" in Baghdad
alone during a 48-hour period at the end of last week.

The Americans know their opponents are manufacturing their bombs in
makeshift "factories" in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq. But US forces have decided only to report their "victories" - when they seize arms and mines
and detain hundreds of Iraqis. The US civilian administrator, Paul Bremer, acknowledged there was a continuing security problem, but contended "most of the country is quiet". He also said that while the Americans believed Saddam Hussein was still in Iraq, he was not orchestrating the attacks.

Yesterday's killing of two Americans - another was wounded in the incident - happened in an area where US forces arrested dozens of young men the
previous week. Talafar was also the scene of the first uprising against
British rule in Iraq 83 years ago. An Iraqi working for the UN was also
killed yesterday when his blue UN vehicle was ambushed south of Baghdad.

- 2003 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd

2=================================

21 July 2003

The Americans talk of criminal and subversive elements but this is a
guerrilla war. They are not safe anywhere
By Robert Fisk in Baghdad

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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/

In official US military documents, they are called "attackers" or just plain "Iraqis".

In the press handouts printed by the occupation authorities, they are - in
the grand style of Soviet propaganda during the Afghan war - "subversive elements".

When Operation Soda Mountain ended on 17 July, the propaganda boys of the "Coalition Press Information Centre" outdid even the Russians by boasting
that the American raids had "successfully achieved the objectives of neutralising subversive individuals".

But alas they did not.

For all the talk of detentions and arms finds - Soda Mountain led to 611 arrests and the reported discovery of 4,297 mortar rounds and 1,346 rocket-propelled grenades - the Iraqi guerrilla war against the United
States is becoming increasingly deadly.

On Saturday, for example, a US military map of Baghdad violence showed 10 security "incidents" over the previous 48 hours. They included the discovery
of mortar shells tied together on roads near Baghdad airport and a mortar
round fired at the occupation army at its base inside the perimeter of the international airport.

They also included the discovery of a dead Iraqi and a wounded man who had
been preparing yet another bomb near the airport, this time made of an 82mm shell, wire and blasting caps.

A section of a report on 19 July shows just how frequent these guerrilla attacks have become. "Iqtissadiyin: 19/07 morning. Attack on CF [coalition forces]," it says. "Three RPG [rocket-propelled grenades] fired at CF
convoy.

"Iqtissadiyin: 18/07 about 00:30. Attack on CF. Small arms fired at CF from overpass and subsequently from nearby houses ...

"Hurriyah: 18/07 morning. Attacks on CF. Small arms fired at CF soldier on
duty at gas station, four assailants killed when CF returned fire.

"Ash Shabab: 18/07 morning. Attack against Iraqi civilians. Suspect fired
three shots at Baghdad Hotel; the vehicle used by the assailant was already spotted while involved into [sic] hostile surveillance of CF position."

And so on and on. In one 24-hour period, the UN recorded six attacks across Iraq, including an RPG fired at an American camp near Mosul, an assault on
an Iraqi police station in Muqidiyah, north-east of Baghdad, a heavy
machine- gun fired at US troops during a medical evacuation near Karbala and
a car that tried to ram an American checkpoint near Qatum.

One of the more disturbing elements of the American reports is the
separation of incidents involving US troops and the violence inflicted on civilians or Iraqi police.

On the attack at the police station, the gunman is referred to as a
"criminal". Assaults on Americans are described as "significant incidents" while assaults on Iraqi civilians - during the theft of their cars, for
example - are referred to under the simple heading of "crime". American
lives, the underlying tenor of these reports seems to be, are more important than innocent Iraqi lives.

Another security report - this time from the UN - records the third attempt
by guerrillas to shoot down an American helicopter near Karbala with an anti-aircraft gun. The latest incident occurred only hours after a ground-to-air missile was fired at an American C-130 military cargo aircraft
at Baghdad airport, an attack that was publicly acknowledged.

Where the gunmen hide so big a weapon as an anti-aircraft gun is not
recorded.

But the message of all this information - most of it unreported by the
media - is that the Americans are no longer safe anywhere in Iraq: not at Baghdad airport, which they captured with so much fanfare in early April,
not at their military bases, not in the streets of central Baghdad or in
their helicopters or on the country roads. A regular guerrilla war has
broken out in Iraq. And it's getting ever more out of control.

- 2003 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd


3===========================

Israel says Iran's nuclear ambition a global threat
Reuters http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters07-21-045544.asp?reg=MIDEAST BRUSSELS, July 21 - Israel said on Monday Iran was ''trying to do
everything'' to build a nuclear weapon and would pose a threat to the whole world unless it was stopped. Iran rejected the charge, saying it viewed
weapons of mass destruction as a serious threat to its own security. It repeated that its nuclear programme was aimed at meeting the enormous energy demands of its rapidly developing economy.

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom told reporters in Brussels after
meeting his European Union counterparts that Tehran refused to accept
tougher nuclear inspections and was continuing to enrich uranium.

''Iran now is trying to do everything to have a nuclear weapon and that is threatening not only the Middle East, it is threatening Europe, the southern part of Russia,'' he said. ......

4=======================

The Worst Possible News Yet
7/22/2003 - Political Social - Article Ref: IV0307-2042
Hesham A. Hassaballa, M.D http://www.iviews.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IV0307-2042

The recent news regarding Iraq is not good. Almost every day another
American soldier is killed. More soldiers, in fact, have been killed by
hostile fire during this war than during Gulf War I. Soldier morale is
taking a nose dive. Every day, more and more doubt is cast on the
intelligence that shaped the decision to go to war with Iraq. The weapons of mass destruction that Iraq reportedly had have yet to be found. In fact, the BBC has reported that "very senior sources" in the British government have virtually ruled out the possibility of ever finding weapons of mass
destruction (WMD). They believe the weapons were there, but were either
hidden or destroyed before the war.

This last piece of news, which did not cause a stir in the U.S., is the most troubling of all. The failure to find weapons of mass destruction can only
mean one of three things: (1) senior UK officials were correct; (2) the
weapons were never there to begin with; (3) in the chaos and confusion of
the war and its aftermath, some or all of the weapons that were in existence ended up in the hands of terrorist groups. .............

5===================================

Enemies from within: Iran and Saudi Arabia
Jul 22, 2003
By Ehsan Ahrari
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EG22Ak03.html
Iran and Saudi Arabia are edging closer to political instability and even cataclysmic change. In the case of Iran, the United States prefers a change
of regime, but not for Saudi Arabia. However, regime change might be the eventual outcome in both countries for reasons that are essentially similar: the enemies of regimes are inside the borders. But there are also certain important aspects of dissimilarity in both Iran and Saudi Arabia. ......

6=========================

Torture testimony 'acceptable'
Expert tells terror appeal hearing that MI5 would use information obtained under duress in court http://www.guardian.co.uk/humanrights/story/0,7369,1003351,00.html
Audrey Gillan
Tuesday July 22, 2003
The Guardian

An MI5 expert in terrorism has admitted that the security service would use information extracted from tortured prisoners as evidence in court.

The secret witness told a panel of judges that in spite of knowing that a victim had been tortured or had come from a country where the regime
sanctioned torture, she would still consider their testimony to be relevant
to security service investigations.

The admissions will add to growing public concern over the detainees at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, who were questioned by the CIA and by MI5 officers. Critics claim that the government has condoned torture by the US in its attempts to garner evidence against people it suspects of having been
involved in al-Qaida or the Taliban.

The implication of the testimony has shocked human rights campaigners, as
well as lawyers and the families of those detained. Article three of the
Human Rights Act says "no one shall be subjected to torture or inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".

Malcolm Smart, director of the Medical Foundation for the Care of Victims of Torture, criticised the government for being party to torture, "either
directly or by proxy".

He said: "Information obtained under torture is cheap and dirty information. British intelligence should regard it with the deepest suspicion. It is well-established that such information is not reliable. International law requires that courts reject evidence gathered by torture as inadmissible. If the intelligence services are cooperating in this way then they are in
effect condoning, even encouraging, the torturers."

The security service expert, known only as witness A, told a hearing of the special immigration appeals commission in London: "It doesn't mean to say
that because somebody is tortured that they have provided information that's not actually true."

Speaking to a panel of three judges who are hearing the appeals of 10 men detained without charge or trial since December 2001, the witness said: "We would weigh all information carefully, no matter where it came from, against our other knowledge and sources before we made an assessment, but it is
still, obviously, speaking theoretically, possible that intelligence
provided which may have been obtained in a way that would not be compatible with somebody's human rights could still be assessed to be reliable based on existing knowledge or because we've conducted further investigations on the basis of what they've told us."

The home secretary believes that the men appealing against detention are connected to terrorism. They are all asylum seekers or refugees. The
government has said it is holding them because they cannot be returned to
their country of origin as they may be tortured there.

Because the majority of these hearings are held in closed session, it is unclear how much of the evidence is reliant on that obtained under duress. Lawyers for the 10 have tried to establish the extent to which the home secretary is relying on evidence in closed session that is a result of
torture but the government need not reveal this. The home secretary says it
is up to the men to prove that the evidence has been obtained under torture
but the men are not allowed to hear the evidence against them.

It is understood that testimony has been taken from detainees both at Bagram air base in Afghanistan and in Guantanamo Bay. Campaigners allege that
torture took place in both.

A US military coroner, Elizabeth Rowse, ruled that two men from Afghanistan held at a secret CIA interrogation centre at Bagram air base had been killed under interrogation. She confirmed that the official cause of death of the
two men was "homicide".

A further death at a holding facility near Asadabad is under investigation.

Witness A said the security service had no concerns about the way the
Americans were gathering evidence that she was aware of. She had not been
aware of any deaths in custody and would be surprised to learn that people
held at Bagram had been tortured.

But US officials have previously admitted using "stress and duress" on prisoners including sleep deprivation, denial of medication for battle injuries, and forcing them to stand or kneel for hours on end with hoods on. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have denounced this as torture
as defined by international treaty.

Guardian Unlimited - Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003


7=====================

Amid the Ruins of Babylon, Paul Wolfowitz Finds "Final Vindication"

(excerpts)


by Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
http://www.hoffman-info.com/news.html

Wolfowitz runs the Pentagon under figurehead Rumsfeld almost solely due to
the electoral
muscle of the American Zionist lobby, and not due to any military acumen on
his part. True, certain American boobs from the misnamed Bible Belt imagine that the Israelis are great warriors and strategists, but these same people don't intend on being "left behind" after the "rupture," so presumably it's
not too much of a stretch to question their lucidity.

Now comes Wolfowitz to Iraq, an "evil empire" he said was bristling with
those weapons of you-know-what. Was Wolfowitz even a mite penitent or
contrite while in Iraq? Did he even mention the fabled weapons while he was there? Perish the thought! The bigger the con, the more
necessary it is to brazenly insist that it's not a con. When Nixon tried
this he was laughed off the stage of history. Bush, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld
are now into their third month of viewing the supposed apocalyptic landscape
of the Saddamites first hand, and finding it empty of all weapons save those pesky little rocket-propelled grenades which bedevil our armored SUVs with Vietcong-like persistence.

The Bush regime's Iraq project has unraveled. Yet in true Zionist fashion,
here is Wolfowitz shuffling around the Arabian desert with an air of "final vindication." Is there any better evidence of the delusional mentality of
your garden variety Zionist than this charade?

Even whackier are the taxpaying, flag-waving psychos footing the $5 billion
a month tab for this made-in-the-synagogue "American foreign policy," even
as the government quietly released details the other day of its intention to drastically curtail the US postal system by closing post offices and raising already highly inflated postage rates, as a result of the "budget crunch."

The US government could efficiently chug along for decades if it were helmed
by crafty Machiavellians of the past like Robert S. McNamara, who told a
1976 Senate investigation committee, "I just can't understand how it (US government assassinations of Lumumba, Trujillo and Abdul Karim Kassem) could have happened."

With village idiot Bush appointing clinically insane spokesmen like
Wolfowitz and Lubavitcher cultist Ari Fleischer, the US is as patently
thuggish and ugly as the hideous Ariel Sharon and his government. McNamara didn't dare admit that US government assassinations were the deliberate
result of high level White House decisions, but last autumn Ari Fleischer frankly told the nation that war with Iraq could be avoided at the cost of
"one bullet." Here was open US government incitement to the assassination of head of state Saddam Hussein by the President's own press secretary.

With crazies like Fleischer at the Washington wheel, the US government is losing goodwill and influence around the world, while opening a lid on a retributive Pandora's box brimming with vendetta, state terror and popular rage. Pandora's door swings both ways, of course. One can't help noting in
the wake of Fleischer's obscene remark, that the war with Iraq might also
have been prevented with a single bullet aimed at another head of state
besides Saddam.

I confess to being an unabashed Wolfowitz fan. Who better to bring this
filthy, rotten System crashing down upon the lodge brothers than the Wolf of the White House himself, the exalted policy wonk who, in actuality, is
little more than a tribalist of the most primitive and chauvinistic dye? No American government can long maintain its prestige and effectiveness when
led by a fanatic (the p.c. term is "activist"), from the fever swamps of Israeli apartheid.

The ruins of Babylon are found not only in Iraq, but on the banks of the Potomac.

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Who was Dr David Kelly? http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4171.htm

Fisk on US's Camp Cropper -- The Ugly Truth http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/


National Commission final conclusion -- 9-11 happened because of lack of Patriot Act measures at the time of the attack http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25138-2003Jul21.html

Vincent Foster Murder Evidence
http://www.aim.org/

If the US and its only effective ally, the United Kingdom, are indeed
trapped, the strategic implications are even worse than they were in
Indochina.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EG22Ak05.html


California Energy Scam Fraud Traced To White House http://www.rense.com/general39/oil.htm

US comes up with excuse "Iraqis are habitual liars" to account for Ba'ath
Party loyalists tested with lie detectors showing they are telling the truth when thye deny knowledge of hidden WMDs and the crimes against humanity Americans are accusing them of. (See article above on how US has resorted to torture to exact confessions at Guantanamo Bay detention-military-trial-and-execution camp.) http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030720-115919-6766r.htm





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slowly every other discussion is hushed as one by one we learn that Bush and his zionist mafia did 9-11
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THESE PAGES LET THE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE SPEAK FOR ITSELF:

Evidence Photos Series 1: Interior wall still standing to right of fuselage entry hole -- proving no starboard wing engine. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/1


Evidence Photos Series 2: Released Security Cam Pictures -- the first two reveal the jet-fighter-size and proportions of the aircraft, the missile
trail plume and the missile warhead explosion http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/2


Evidence Photos Series 3: How we know that the most famous piece of
Boeing debris did not come from Flight 77 and was definitely planted on the lawn north of the crash in order to deceive http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/3



Here is some newsgroup discussion relating to the above:

"Ralph Nesbitt" <ralph-nesbitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<enxUa.55$yf6.41@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>...

"Everyman" <dick_eastman@yvn.com> wrote in message news:63d3d56f.0307260413.17710e0f@posting.google.com...

"Ralph Nesbitt" <ralph-nesbitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote

What you allege is a "Missile Plume" near/below the "Tail Fin" is condensation

Nope. Sorry, Ralph.

Way too thick and creamy for condensation. It's missile smoke trail.

See for yourself:

Condensation off the wing of an American Airlines Boeing 757-200 looks like this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/4


Now what else have you got?

There was no evidence of a small plane found in the debries. There was substantual evidence of a certain Boeing 757

All the confetti and tiny shards are proof that a missile exploded against
that wall. The small plane then entered the building through the softened outer wall.

Here is the proof of that:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/2

Evidence Photos Series 2: Released Security Cam Pictures -- the first two reveal the jet-fighter-size and proportions of the aircraft, the missile
trail plume and the missile warhead explosion )



Now here is typical Nesbitt flim-flam:

http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com for documentation supporting my statement regarding a certain Boeing 757, commonly refered to as Flt 77, being found in the debries inside the bldg.

WHAT CHUTZPAH!!! WHAT BLUFF!!! The URL you site is nothing but "A Comic Opera in Two Acts and Three Scenes by T. J. Fatchen (Flying Tadpole)" --
you bullshit artist! THERE IS NO NEW PHOTOS OR WITNESS TESTIMONY OR ANYTHING RELATED TO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!

You conveniently ignore the second engine found at/near the incident site

&

a logical explanation of how it got to where it was found (See my explatanation above).

I've talked to the Pentagon security people --THERE WAS NOT ENGINE OUTSIDE
THE PENTAGON -- AN ENGINE WAS BROUGHT TO THE PARKING LOT LATER FOR THE CADAVER DOGS TO SNIFF OUT -- AND THAT WAS THE BASIS OF THAT RUMOR!!! YOU
ARE BLOWING SMOKE AGAIN, RALPH. BUT IN YOUR EVASION, YOUR CURRENT LIE, YOU HAVE ADMITTED THAT NO STARBOARD WING ENGINE ENTERED THE PENTAGON.

LET ME REINFORCE THIS DEFINITE PROGRESS WITH A PRESENTATION OF THE HARD EVIDENCE:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/1

{ Interior wall still standing to right of fuselage entry hole -- proving no starboard wing engine.]

In addition you also ignore the fact the 2 engines
found. 1 in the debries inside the bldg, the other/2nd engine in the "Mall Area" were identified by "Serial Number" as having come from/haveing been

on

the Boeing 757 .....

No engine landed in the mall area. Only one engine has been reported inside
the building -- the one that broke through the C-ring wall. (Nor could any engine have physically flown or bounced to any parking lot from a crash
such as the coverup story claims happened -- except an engine dropped by
the C-130 that flew over 30 seconds after the crash... but there was no
second engine. One security officer at the Pentagon says that people who
talk of an engine landing in the parking lot "are full of shit." No
kidding, those where his own words, I wouldn't lie to you. No serial number was taken from any engine. Whoever made the claim is making up a story --
and I'd like to know who it is -- give us the URL. AND "HE MALL"IS WAY
THE HECK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF INTERSTATE 395 -- THE ENGINE WAS BROUGHT TO
THE NORTH PARKING LOT AFTER THE CRASH.

You are just a shyster liar -- a swindler -- just the type of scum who would defend the mass-murder of over 2000 Americans in order to get a profitiable
war going that will wreck this whole country and get a lot of people killed. Ralph Nesbitt -- you have a lot to answer for -- I pity your family for the curse you are bringing to it. People remember traitors much more than good guys.

Your attempt above to spin/use The ASCE Report, by reinteratering
events in a manner, with a High Probablity of Being Less Than Truthful to support your scenario regarding the Flight 77 incident is the most "Preposterous Line of B/S you have yet attempted IMHO.

I want to go back to the question of debris, Ralph. There are only a
handful of pieces that bespeak a Boeing 757 -- and they are all portable
and all showed up days after the event (when FEMA photographed the scene of the crime just before they tore it all down) BUT THERE IS THAT FAMOUS PIECE
OF DEBRIS THAT MADE THE COVER OF TIME! And the fact is that that piece
proves that evidence was fraudulently planted -- and now being caught, it is proof of a coverup.

Look here:

Evidence Photos Series 3: How we know that the most famous piece of
Boeing debris did not come from Flight 77 and was definitely planted to
deceive
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/3


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American Society of Civil Engineers Pentagon Building Performance Report
backs up small-plane finding --- DISPROVES BOEING CRASH

The American Society of Civil Engineers in their Pentagon Building
Performance Report which reports the different levels of damage done to the pillars in the first story of the crash region presents information that supports the photo evidence showing that NO STARBOARD WING ENGINE OF A
BOEING 575 ENTERED THE PENTAGON.

As you read the report and examin the diagrams and simulations keep this
color code of levels of damage to columns in mind (note: "Spalling" means
that chips have been knocked off the pillar.)

Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant inpairment

Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without remaining function

Blue squares: Impacted with large deformation and significant impairment of function

Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of function

Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant impairment of function.

https://www.asce.org/pdf/illustrations.pdf

(Be sure to use the zoom feature of your Adobe Acrobat etc. to read the legends of these diagrams)

Let us examin this graphical summary of the engineers' findings.

Illustration A -- A cut-away simulation showing the arrangement of pillars
, numbered 1 through 34 across the outer wall and rows AA (outer wall), A,
B, C ... through O (15 rows) on the first floor as you go back 220 ft. to
the wall of the C-ring exit hole which is between pillars 5-0 and 7-0
(there being only odd number pillars behind the first row on the outer wall, i.e., twice as many)

The nose of the killer jet hit pillar 14-AA on the outer wall. The
distance from pillar 14-AA in the outer wall (E-ring) to exit hole between columns 5-O and 7-0 in the C-ring wall is 310 feet.

But what do the engineers tell us about the damage to the Pentagon?

All the investigators did was enter the crash site for one day of
observations AFTER THE BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED OVER THE ORIGINAL CRASH HOLE, examining each of the pillars and checking off its condition according to
this checklist:

Pink squares: In collapsed area. Presumed to have significant inpairment

Red squares: Missing, broken, disconnected, or otherwise without remaining function

Green squares: Heavy cracking and spalling with some impairment of function

Yellow squares: Cracking and spalling with no significant impairment of function.

The fact is that whereas the small-plane explaination is supported by photos
of the outer wall crash hole, pre-collapse, as having interior wall still standing to the right of the hole where the fuselage entered, the ASCE
Pentagon Building Performance report DOES IN FACT SUPPORT THE SMALL-PLANE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE BY INDICATING THAT THE PILLARS TO THE RIGHT OF THE NOSE-ENTRY WERE STILL STANDING. They are shown leaning out, indicating
that they were not knocked down -- (they are drawn in the diagram as
leaning, indicating that they were "disconnected or broken" but not missing
or knocked down (missing pillars are marked by a red spot, knocked down pillars are shown lying on their sides in the diagram).


And as for the damage alone the 310 feet from AA 14 to the missing columns (red spots) are extremely close to the center line of the path. MOST
NOTABLE IS THE FACT THAT DOUBLE COLUMN 11-D WHICH IS AN INTERIOR COLUMN HOLDING UP THE INTERIOR BACK WALL OF E-RING JUST TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE THE FUSELAGE PASSED (ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER'S DOTTED LINE FROM AA-14 TO THE
HOLE IN C-RING) That column is not knocked down or missing, but only is deformed with significant impairment of function. And on the starboard
side of the fuselage no more pillars are knocked down, whereas in the path
of the fuselage and to the port side from center there are seven more red-marked pillars that are damaged (missing, broken, disconnected). (See Illustration B)


But this is totally consistent with the fact that the engine popped out
between pillars 5-O and 7-O -- it is totally consistent with the fact that the killer jet was a single-engine, engine-in-fuselage aircraft.

So we see that on the starboard side -- where we have -p[hotos of the
interior walls still standing before the collapse -- indicating that there
was no starboard wing engine -- we now also can point to the structural
report of the American Society of Civil Engineers, who show that the
exterior pillars were not downed to the right of the hole made by the
fuselage -- and that the engineers could make no determination of which of
the second and third rows of pillars (rows A and B after the exterior row
AA) were damaged or not, because of the subsequent collapse that destroyed
this evidence. BUT THE EVIDENCE THE ENGINEERS WERE ABLE TO PRESENT IS ENTIRELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SMALL PLANE THESIS, AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICIAL STORY THAT AN AIRLINER WITH A MASSIVE STARBOARD WING ENGINE ENDERED THE BUILDING -- IT WAS DEFINITELY A SINGLE ENGINE PLANE AS ALL THE OTHER
HARD EVIDENCE IS ALSO INDICATING.




Dick


----- Original Message -----
From: <jean-pierre.desmoulins@wanadoo.fr>
To: "Dick Eastman" <silver@nwinfo.net>
Cc: <bosankoe@lineone.net>; <tw45ph@softhome.net>; <spinner2882@yahoo.com>; <eric.bart@wanadoo.fr>; <holmgren@nettrade.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: Graphics please

Hi Dick

Are you sure that Sgt Lagasse is able to make the difference beetween
"port" and "starboard". As I teach sailing, I can tell you lot of people
get confused with that... And Lagasse doesn't work in the navy :)

Other question : Lagasse says he was fueling his car near "barraks K".
Would it be somewhere else than Citgo gas station N 9.5 E 17.5 ? For
example N 4.1 E 9.4

Remind : grid is at http://earth-citizens.net/ArlingtonGrid.jpg

For the path of the plane shown by David, I agree. I'm waiting for Dick indications to plot the paths of the "two" jets (Boeing / small single
engine killer jet) which according to him were there. BTW Dick, you know there was also a C 130 : this makes three planes...

I got recently 300 Mbytes of pictures from the pentagon. I'm working on
some details of the crash zone and building damage. I can tell you I am

99%

certain the plane which has hit the pentagon was a twin engine airliner
with an anti-bunker bomb inside. I have still four question marks :

- Was it a 757-200 (25%) or a 737-200 (75%) ?
- The bomb was it just a hollow charge (33%) or a Broach technology bomb (67%) ?
- The plane was it remotely piloted (50%) or was it piloted by Hani

Hanjour

(50%) ?
- The plane was it empty of passengers (20%) or filled with 60 people

(80%) ?

It's sometimes frightening working on that. Organizing such a stuff is not the fact of the small mafioso of your city...
I want to tell you, gals and guys, that I am well in my head, have no intention to commit suicid, drive my car more carefully than I used to do (the cops are under hard pressure for this here...), watch out when I

cross

a street, that I am in a perfect health...
Let me stop being paranoid !

Regards
JP

At 19:30 25/07/2003 -0700, Dick Eastman wrote:

Than you for that very good shot, David.

You path of the killer jet is very close to Jean-Pierre's.

And you will notice that this path takes the killer jet south of Lagasse >(Lagasee saw the starboard side of the Boeing as it passed the gas
station, not the port. and it is too far south of Riskus as it crosses >Washington Blvd -- Riskus who states that it was only 100 feet from him
and that it appeared to go straight into the Pentagon, i.e, appeared to
hit perpendicular to the wall.

I wish you had incuded some comments with your picture.

Dick

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Articles: 1) Iraqis, "bringing it on", take five more of our sons, while fighting their own version of "Red Dawn" against zionist globalization; 2) ....
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US warned it faces 'third Gulf War' in Iraq
http://tinyurl.com/i94f

US troops turn botched Saddam raid into a massacre http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/

F/A-18C fighter downed by missile that 'tracked' him
http://tinyurl.com/i95z

Five American soldiers dead in 24 hours http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/072803A.shtml http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/27/international/worldspecial/27IRAQ.html

George W Bush can Designate Anyone He Chooses an Enemy Combatant Outside the Protection of Law
http://villagevoice.com/issues/0331/hentoff.php

Secret Sections of the 9/11 Report http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/26/national/26SAUD.html

Buchanan: Neocons have led us wrong
http://amconmag.com/07_28_03/buchanan.html

Official Story on Deaths of Saddam's Sons "Wags the Dog" http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307E.html

Military Wife Rebuked for E-Mail critical of war handling -- "certain people are getting their soldiers in trouble" warns 400th Military Police Battalion Family Readiness Group http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51277-2003Jul26.html


Untold Story: Desertions -- U.S. soldiers in Iraq are escaping from Iraq
under the guise of Kurdish citizens, wearing Arab loose headdress http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-07/27/article07.shtml

BBC calls head of MI6 to its defence in Hutton inquiry into distorted Iraqi weapons dossier.

Blair government determined to cover up its lies at any cost . even if that means destroying the BBC in the process,
http://www.sundayherald.com/35503

The coalition air war commander, Lieutenant General T. Michael Moseley, revealed this weekend that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld had to personally sign off on any airstrike ''thought likely to result in deaths of more than 30 civilians,'' as The New York Times reported. ''More than 50
such strikes were proposed, and all of them were approved.'' http://tinyurl.com/holj


House has rubber stamped w/o discussion NAFTA-like globalization
arrangements with Singapore and Chile http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42616-2003Jul24.html


Pentagon Plans Draft Of Doctors And Nurses -- up to an estimated 80,000 surgeons, nurses, dentists, X-ray technicians, etc. -- Socialized
medicine comes to the warfare state: Cheaper than paying market medical
rates -- shrewd Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Perle, Meyer find a way to patch up soldiers without having to send any home where they might talk http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/5444639.htm

'Bush Was Warned' About 9/11 -- White House, CIA Kept Key Portions of
Report Classified http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43291-2003Jul24.html

Fomer CIA Chief: 'Intelligence Failure of Massive Proportions' in Iraq http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42718-2003Jul24.html

Ignored by 9-11 Committee: Pentagon interior wall was still standing to
right of fuselage entry hole -- proving no starboard wing engine went
through, the killer jet was not a Boeing 757 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/1



The FBI and CIA had accumulated masses of information both inside and
outside the United States that were either not put together for half-bureaucratic, half-political reasons or ignored by those responsible,
who believed America invulnerable and so gave no credit to proof of threats right before their eyes. The report shows that five of the nineteen
Al-Quaeda terrorists had met with fourteen people on American soil who were already subjects of FBI inquiry. Four of them were subject to further
inquiry. An FBI informant had been in contact with two of the hijackers
while they were in San Diego, but the local bureau antenna didn't know that
the same people had been identified by the CIA as members of Bin Ladin's network. Summer 2001, several alerts were given about imminent attacks
supposed to cause "considerable losses": they were not followed up on. http://www.lemonde.fr/article/0,5987,3208--328869-,00.html

Pakistan: Thousands Being Recruited For 'Jihad' http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=93677

White House Defense of Uranium Claim Produces Maze of Contradictions http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAVRY54JID.html

9/11 Report missed this: That most famous piece of Boeing debris did not
come from Flight 77 and was definitely planted on the lawn north of the
crash in order to deceive
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/3


9/11 Report: No Iraq Link to al-Qaida http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030723-064812-9491r

Commission was a coverup: Released Security Cam Pictures -- the first two frames reveal the jet-fighter-size and proportions along with the missile trail plume and the missile warhead explosion http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/2


House Rolls Back "Sneak and Peek" Patriot Act Provisions http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=3138081

Amnesty International: Iraqis Accuse U.S. Forces of Torture http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/072403D.shtml

Atrocities against the Afghan People http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/atrocity.htm

U.S. struggling to find replacement troops http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/politics/6335469.htm


'I did not want to be a collaborator' http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1007045,00.html

When the overall military action itself is unjust -- based on the calculated perversion of public trust by lies invoking an "imminent threat" that was patently nonexistent, and on the constantly insinuated blood libel that Iraq was somehow complicit in the Sept. 11 massacres; when, furthermore, the military action is illegal -- an act of unilateral aggression unsanctioned
by international law, the UN Charter or the constitution of the United
States (which does not give Congress the authority to delegate its warmaking powers to the personal whim of the president), then the innocent deaths that result from such an action cannot be "justified" as the result of "normal" wartime operations.
http://www.tmtmetropolis.ru/stories/2003/07/25/120.html


Organized Crime in the Administration did 9-11 (34 photo articles) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/

Proof that the Defense Department attacked their own Headquarters on 9-11-01 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/2 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/3

What convinced me 9-11 was a frameup
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm

Leading investigators of the 9-11 mass-murder inside-job black op http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart/index.html
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/

More on the 9-11 frameup:
http://earth-citizens.net
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/ http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html






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Two paths leading to the Pentagon -- one taken by the killer jet that fired
a missile ahead of its own crash, the other taken by AA Flight 77, the
Boeing 757, over the crash and over the Pentagon and over the 14th street bridge as it turned to the runways of Reagan National Airport.

See for yourself:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/6


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9-11 Investigators Compromised

caught! "AGENT FESCADO" & JARED ISRAEL PUTTING OUT MISLEADING DOCTORED
PHOTO DATA REGARDING PENTAGON ATTACK EVIDENCE !!!!



Here is the DOCTORED photo evidence that "Agent Fescado" made and which
Jared Israel prmotes on his website -- DISINFORMATION THAT HE USES TO
JUSTIFY CLOSING THE BOOK ON THE PENTAGON ATTACK IN FAVOR OF THE
ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNT OF THE CRASH:

http://www.humanunderground.com/11september/s11-media/et7.jpg

Fescado and Jared Israel each know that the piece of debris did not come
from the Boeing's port side -- the side of the killer jets path where the
piece was photographed. But the doctored the picture of the Boeing by
cropping off the nose and cockpit area, giving the mistaken impression that
the photo is of the port side and that, thus, the piece of debris could have come from the port side.

Here are the photos regarding the true location of the piece of debris on a
757 -- facts which make just the opposite case of that of Fescado's doctored evidence. This is the truth that F & I have been concealing from their readers:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/3



Fescado and Jared Israel have put out doctored information which they
prepared and which they use to close the investigation into the nature of
the attack upon the Pentagon, to discredit, with their phony doctored photo evidence, strong supporting evidence of true nature of the crash -- and to assist the government coverup.

So let us add Jared Israel and Agent Fescado to the list of known disinformation agents masquarading as citizen 9/11 investigators, Mike
Rivero, Joe Vialls (former MI6), Jean-Pierre Desmoulins, Sara Roberts
(a.k.a., "spinner," "anablep," "stjarna," "ccummings," etc. etc.), John
Judge, the "People's Investigation of 9-11" and the National Commission.

You say I bring division to the pro-investigation committee?

I say you can't put an enemy greasy with deceit in your own defense intelligence teams -- or else you get exactly what Jared Isral, Fescado
and the others have given us -- smoke up the ass.



BUT THERE IS MORE TO THIS UNCOVERED PHONY INVESTIGATOR DECEIT:

MORE DECEIT FROM JARED ISRAEL AND AGENT FESCADO:

ON "HUMANUNDERGROUND" WE FIND A QUOTATION FROM A LETTER OF STEVE RISKUS RESPONDING WITH NO ATTRIBUTION TO THE INTERVIEWER (HIDING RESPONSIBILITY
THIS DECEIT) -- IN WHICH RISKUS IS QUOTED AS SAYING "IT KNOCKED OVER A FEW LIGHT POLES" -- BUT THE "COMPILED FROM E-MAIL INTERVIEW" MADE BY FESCADO
AND POSTED BY J. ISRAEL NEGLECTS TO INCLUDE MY OWN FOLLOW-UP TO THAT
INTERVIEW WHICH I IMMEDIATELY SHARED WITH BOTH FESCADO AND ISRAEL IN WHICH
I ASKED RISKUS IF HE ACTUALLY SAW THE POLES BEING KNOCKED DOWN -- TO WHICH QUESTION HE REPLIED HE HAD NOT SEEN THEM BEING HIT BUT HAD ONLY SEEN THEM
LATER AS HE WAS DRIVING AWAY. IN FACT, RISKUS'S FIRST PHOTOGRAPH ON THE SCENE AND HIS STATEMENT THAT THE BOEING CROSSED IN FRONT OF HIM ONLY 100
FEET AWAY (WHICH NOW PROVES TO BE ONLY A SLIGHT EXAGERATION NOW THAT WE KNOW WITHIN VERY TIGHT LIMITS THE ACTUAL PATH OF THE BOEING AS DISTINCT FROM THE 'KILLER JET' THAT IS THE PLANE THAT REALLY BROUGHT DOWN THOSE POLES! --
the path of the Boeing being north of the converging (but lower) path of the killer jet.)

NOW I PERSONALLY MAILED MY FULL INTERVIEW TO BOTH FASCADO AND JARED ISRAEL
AT THE TIME -- SO THEY KNEW THE FACTS, SINCE WE HAVE BEEN FREQUENTLY IN
TOUCH WITH EACH OTHER --

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT FESCADO AND J. ISRAEL WERE NOT AWARE THAT "IF" THEY COULD FIND SOMEONE WHO SAW THE ACTUAL BOEING APPROACHING FROM THAT FAR TO
THE SOUTHWEST OF THE CRASH ACTUALLY MOWING DOWN LAMP POSTS THAT THAT WOULD
BE THE END OF THE SMALL-KILLER JET THESIS -- AND THUS WOLFOWITZ, PERLE, RUMSFELD, MEYER AND OTHER ZIONISTS PERPETRATORS OF THE 9-11 MURDERS WOULD BE OUT OF THE HOT SEAT?

I ask you, fellows, why the hatchet job on the small plane explanation?
Why this disinformation and distortion of the true story???????

AGAIN: RISKUS DID NOT SEE THE POLES GO DOWN -- HE STATED THAT TO A QUESTION THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE VERY INTERVIEW THAT ISRAEL AND FESCADO
HAVE CHOPPED UP, RENDERED TOTALLY MISLEADING ON THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT IN
THE 9-11 EVENT, AND PUT IT OUT TO "CLOSE THE KILLER JET QUESTION " IN FAVOR
OF THE ADMINISTRATION. RISKUS ANSWERED MY SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THE
POLES -- RISKUS ONLY NOTICED DOWN POLES ONLY AS HE WAS LEAVING AND,
HUNDREDS OF FEET FURTHER SOUTH, SAW THEM FROM HIS CAR WHEN DRIVING AWAY (SOUTH) TO UPLOAD HIS PICTURES WHICH APPEARED AN HOUR LATER.

Jared Israel and Fescado are denying established fact about the 9-11 crime, about the full truth and implications of the 9/11/01 Pentagon frameup
attack -- the evidence that should have impeached, removed and indicted
the Bush leadership 7 months ago!!!:

Dick Eastman
223 S. 64th Ave.
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.




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Subject: THE LIMA DECLARATION: de-industrialising the developed countries, transferring industry to third world countries


(1) The War on Truth, by John Pilger
(2) THE LIMA DECLARATION: de-industrialising the developed countries, transferring industry to third world countries
(3) TIMELINE OF THE NEW INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC ORDER
(4) Outlining Australia's political path to poverty
(5) Lima agreement merely stated what had already been happening
(6) some folks believe that Israel is a client state of the US

(1) The War on Truth, by John Pilger

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:50:20 EDT From: MORRIS434@aol.com

PS: It is important to note that Feith and Bolton are JINSA Zionist
extremists who wanted an invasion of Iraq for years...

In a message dated 8/1/03 4:24:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, BCornickbabs writes:

The War on Truth

Studies now put the death toll at as many as 10,000 civilians and 20,000
Iraqi troops. If this does not constitute a "bloodbath", what was the
massacre of 3,000 people at the twin towers?

John Pilger

07/31/03: (Z Net) In Baghdad, the rise and folly of rapacious imperial
power is commemorated in a forgotten cemetery called the North Gate.
Dogs are its visitors; the rusted gates are padlocked, and skeins of
traffic fumes hang over its parade of crumbling headstones and
unchanging historical truth.

Lieutenant-General Sir Stanley Maude is buried here, in a mausoleum
befitting his station, if not the cholera to which he succumbed. In
1917, he declared: "Our armies do not come...as conquerors or enemies,
but as liberators." Within three years, 10,000 had died in an uprising
against the British, who gassed and bombed those they called
"miscreants". It was an adventure from which British imperialism in the
Middle East never recovered.

Every day now, in the United States, the all-pervasive media tell
Americans that their bloodletting in Iraq is well under way, although
the true scale of the attacks is almost certainly concealed. Soon, more soldiers will have been killed since the "liberation" than during the
invasion. Sustaining the myth of "mission" is becoming difficult, as in Vietnam. This is not to doubt the real achievement of the invaders'
propaganda, which was the suppression of the truth that most Iraqis
opposed both the regime of Saddam Hussein and the Anglo-American assault
on their homeland. One reason the BBC's Andrew Gilligan angered Downing
Street was that he reported that, for many Iraqis, the bloody invasion
and occupation were at least as bad as the fallen dictatorship.

This is unmentionable here in America. The tens of thousands of Iraqi
dead and maimed do not exist. When I interviewed Douglas Feith, number
three to Donald Rumsfeld at the Pentagon, he shook his head and lectured
me on the "precision" of American weapons. His message was that war had
become a bloodless science in the service of America's unique divinity.
It was like interviewing a priest. Only American "boys" and "girls"
suffer, and at the hands of "Ba'athist remnants", a self-deluding term
in the spirit of General Maude's "miscreants". The media echo this,
barely gesturing at the truth of a popular resistance and publishing
galleries of GI amputees, who are described with a maudlin, down-home chauvinism which celebrates the victimhood of the invader while casting
the vicious imperialism that they served as benign. At the State
Department, the under-secretary for international security, John Bolton, suggested to me that, for questioning the fundamentalism of American
policy, I was surely a heretic, "a Communist Party member", as he put
it.

As for the great human catastrophe in Iraq, the bereft hospitals, the
children dying from thirst and gastroenteritis at a rate greater than
before the invasion, with almost 8 per cent of infants suffering extreme malnutrition, says Unicef; as for a crisis in agriculture which, says
the Food and Agriculture Organisation, is on the verge of collapse:
these do not exist. Like the American-driven, medieval-type siege that destroyed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives over 12 years, there is
no knowledge of this in America: therefore it did not happen. The Iraqis
are, at best, unpeople; at worst, tainted, to be hunted. "For every GI
killed," said a letter given prominence in the New York Daily News late
last month, "20 Iraqis must be executed." In the past week, Task Force
20, an "elite" American unit charged with hunting evildoers, murdered at
least five people as they drove down a street in Baghdad, and that was
typical.

The august New York Times and Washington Post are not, of course, as
crude as the News and Murdoch. However, on 23 July, both papers gave
front-page prominence to the government's carefully manipulated
"homecoming" of 20-year-old Private Jessica Lynch, who was injured in a
traffic accident during the invasion and captured. She was cared for by
Iraqi doctors, who probably saved her life and who risked their own
lives in trying to return her to American forces. The official version,
that she bravely fought off Iraqi attackers, is a pack of lies, like her "rescue" (from an almost deserted hospital), which was filmed with
night-vision cameras by a Hollywood director. All this is known in
Washington, and much of it has been reported.

This did not deter the best and worst of American journalism uniting to
help stage-manage her beatific return to Elizabeth, West Virginia, with
the Times reporting the Pentagon's denial of "embellishing" and that
"few people seemed to care about the controversy". According to the
Post, the whole affair had been "muddied by conflicting media accounts".
George Orwell described this as "words falling upon the facts like soft
snow, blurring their outlines and covering up all the details". Thanks
to the freest press on earth, most Americans, according to a national
poll, believe Iraq was behind the 11 September attacks. "We have been
the victims of the biggest cover-up manoeuvre of all time," says Jane
Harman, a rare voice in Congress. But that, too, is an illusion.

The verboten truth is that the unprovoked attack on Iraq and the looting
of its resources is America's 73rd colonial intervention. These,
together with hundreds of bloody covert operations, have been covered up
by a system and a veritable tradition of state-sponsored lies that reach
back to the genocidal campaigns against Native Americans and the
attendant frontier myths; and the Spanish-American war, which broke out
after Spain was falsely accused of sinking an American warship, the
Maine, and war fever was whipped up by the Hearst newspapers; and the non-existent "missile gap" between the US and the Soviet Union, which
was based on fake documents given to journalists in 1960 and served to accelerate the nuclear arms race; and four years later, the non-existent Vietnamese attack on two American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin for
which the media demanded reprisals, giving President Johnson the pretext
he wanted to bomb North Vietnam.

In the late 1970s, a silent media allowed President Carter to arm
Indonesia as it slaughtered the East Timorese, and to begin secret
support for the mujahedin, from which came the Taliban and al-Qaeda. In
the 1980s, the manufacture of an absurdity, the "threat" to America from popular movements in Central America, notably the Sandinistas in tiny Nicaragua, allowed President Reagan to arm and support terrorist groups
such as the Contras, leaving an estimated 70,000 dead. That George W
Bush's America gives refuge to hundreds of Latin American torturers,
favoured murderous dictators and anti-Castro hijackers, terrorists by
any definition, is almost never reported. Neither is the work of a
"training school" at Fort Benning, Georgia, whose graduates would be the
pride of Osama Bin Laden.

Americans, says Time magazine, live in "an eternal present". The point
is, they have no choice. The "mainstream" media are now dominated by
Rupert Murdoch's Fox television network, which had a good war. The
Federal Communications Commission, run by Colin Powell's son Michael, is finally to deregulate television so that Fox and four other
conglomerates control 90 per cent of the terrestrial and cable audience. Moreover, the leading 20 internet sites are now owned by the likes of
Fox, Disney, AOL Time Warner and a clutch of other giants. Just 14
companies attract 60 per cent of the time all American web-users spend
online.

The director of Le Monde Diplomatique, Ignacio Ramonet, summed this up
well: "To justify a preventive war that the United Nations and global
public opinion did not want, a machine for propaganda and mystification, organised by the doctrinaire sect around George Bush, produced
state-sponsored lies with a determination characteristic of the worst
regimes of the 20th century."

Most of the lies were channelled straight to Downing Street from the
24-hour Office of Global Communications in the White House. Many were
the invention of a highly secret unit in the Pentagon, called the Office
of Special Plans, which "sexed up" raw intelligence, much of it uttered
by Tony Blair. It was here that many of the most famous lies about
weapons of mass destruction were "crafted". On 9 July, Donald Rumsfeld
said, with a smile, that America never had "dramatic new evidence" and
his deputy Paul Wolfowitz earlier revealed that the "issue of weapons of
mass destruction" was "for bureaucratic reasons" only, "because it was
the one reason [for invading Iraq] that everyone could agree on."

The Blair government's attacks on the BBC make sense as part of this.
They are not only a distraction from Blair's criminal association with
the Bush gang, though for a less than obvious reason. As the astute
American media commentator Danny Schechter points out, the BBC's
revenues have grown to $5.6bn; more Americans watch the BBC in America
than watch BBC1 in Britain; and what Murdoch and the other ascendant TV conglomerates have long wanted is the BBC "checked, broken up, even privatised...All this money and power will likely become the target for
Blair government regulators and the merry men of Ofcom, who want to
contain public enterprises and serve those avaricious private businesses
who would love to slice off some of the BBC's market share." As if on
cue, Tessa Jowell, the British Culture Secretary, questioned the renewal
of the BBC's charter.

The irony of this, says Schechter, is that the BBC was always solidly
pro-war. He cites a comprehensive study by Media Tenor, the non-partisan institute that he founded, which analysed the war coverage of some of
the world's leading broadcasters and found that the BBC allowed less
dissent than all of them, including the US networks. A study by Cardiff University found much the same. More often than not, the BBC amplified
the inventions of the lie machine in Washington, such as Iraq's
non-existent attack on Kuwait with scuds. And there was Andrew Marr's
memorable victory speech outside 10 Downing Street: "[Tony Blair] said
that they would be able to take Baghdad without a bloodbath, and that in
the end the Iraqis would be celebrating. And on both those points he has
been proved conclusively right."

Almost every word of that was misleading or nonsense. Studies now put
the death toll at as many as 10,000 civilians and 20,000 Iraqi troops.
If this does not constitute a "bloodbath", what was the massacre of
3,000 people at the twin towers?

In contrast, I was moved and almost relieved by the description of the
heroic Dr David Kelly by his family. "David's professional life," they
wrote, "was characterised by his integrity, honour and dedication to
finding the truth, often in the most difficult circumstances. It is hard
to comprehend the enormity of this tragedy." There is little doubt that
a majority of the British people understand that David Kelly was the
antithesis of those who have shown themselves to be the agents of a
dangerous, rampant foreign power. Stopping this menace is now more
urgent than ever, for Iraqis and us. ==

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(2) THE LIMA DECLARATION is de-industrialising the developed countries
by transferring industry to the third world countries

with commentary from Noel McDonald interspersed, shown *

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~noelmcd/lima.htm

Second General Conference of the United Nations Industrial Development Organisation Lima, Peru, 12-26 March 1975

LIMA DECLARATION AND PLAN OF ACTION ON INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND
CO-OPERATION

A. DECLARATION

1. The Second General Conference of the United Nations Industrial
Development Organisation, convened by General Assembly resolution 3087
(XXVIII) of 6 December 1973, entrusted with establishing the main
principles of industrialisation and defining the means by which the international community as a whole might take action of a broad nature
in the field of industrial development within the framework of new forms
of international co-operation, with a view to the establishment of a new international economic order, adopts the LIMA DECLARATION ON INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND CO-OPERATION

* The net result of establishing principles of industrialisation
according to this document, is to de-industrialise the developed
countries by transferring industry to the third world countries

* The New International Economic Order that the Lima Declaration imposes
on member countries of the United Nations is only of benefit to
transnational companies and international financiers including the IMF
and World Bank group, it legalises the power to control world industry
and manufacture in the cheapest and most profitable countries.

4. Bearing in mind resolutions 3201 (S-VI) and 3202 (S-VI), of May
1974, adopted at the sixth special session of the General Assembly on
the Declaration and Programme of Action on the Establishment of a New International Economic Order, according to which every effort should be
made by the international community to take measures to encourage the industrialisation of the developing countries with a view to increasing
their share in world industrial production, as envisaged in the
International Development Strategy,

* The actual date of establishing the NIEO at the sixth General Assembly
was the 1st of May 1974, this date represents Communist Mayday, the significance here is that the Lima Declaration imposes the immediate
goals of communism as spelt out by Stalin in 1942.

5. Recognising the urgent need to bring about the establishment of a
new international economic order based on equity, sovereign equality, interdependence and co-operation, as has been expressed in the
Declaration and Programme of Action on the Establishment of a New
International Economic Order, in order to transform the present
structure of economic relations.

* The term interdependence is newspeak coined by the Club Of Rome, it
infers the ploy that world war will be prevented by ensuring that no
country may be self sufficient, and therefore will not make war on other countries that supply essential goods.

* In reality, interdependence forces all countries into economic
servitude to the international banking cartel and transnationals.

25. Their resolve to ensure the speedy and effective implementation of
the principles of industrialisation laid down in the International
Development Strategy for the 1970s which is being adapted to the
Programme of Action on the Establishment of a New International Economic
Order;

* The United Nations had the goal of a New International Economic Order
before it was even formed, the International Development Strategy
commenced in 1961 and has been another venue for espousing the
rhetorical virtues of the NIEO and interdependence.

28. That, in view of the low percentage share of the developing
countries in total world industrial production, recalling General
Assembly resolution 3306 (XXIX), of 14 December 1974, and taking into
account the policy guide-lines and qualitative recommendations made in
the present Declaration, their share should be increased to the maximum possible extent and as far as possible to at least 25 percent of total
world industrial production by the year 2000, while making every
endeavour to ensure that the industrial growth so achieved is
distributed among developing countries as evenly as possible. This
implies that the developing countries should increase their industrial
growth rate considerably higher than the 8 percent recommended in the International Development Strategy for the Second United Nations
Development Decade;

* This is the real crunchline that Australia had to prepare and
legislate to transfer Australian industry to the third world by the year
2000.

* This has been happening ever since Whitlam committed Australia in
1975, the two party system followed on preparations with Fraser, Hawke,
Keating and now Howard completing the task that he has been nurturing
since 1979 when he was Treasurer .

* So secretive have been the preparations for the NIEO that even now
most Australians believe that our recession we had to have was an
accident, Franklin Delano Roosevelt once said that if something happens
in the world of politics, you can be sure it was made to happen!

32. That every State has the inalienable right to exercise freely its sovereignty and permanent control over its natural resources, both
terrestrial and marine, and over all economic activity for the
exploitation of these resources in the manner appropriate to its
circumstances, including nationalisation in accordance with its laws as
an expression of this right and that no State shall be subjected to any
forms of economic, political or other coercion which impedes the full
and free exercise of that inalienable right;

* This is typical Animal Farm rhetoric here!

* The LIMA/NIEO has forced Australia to relinquish all and any economic sovereignty she once possessed, the conditions of the LIMA/NIEO have
reduced Australia to a debt ridden backwater running at a huge loss,
this guarantees that the International Monetary Fund can and have been dictating Australian financial policy for some years, look at the IMF conditions being imposed in Korea, Japan, Russia and Mexico, and realise
that we are no different, only kept uninformed!

59. The developed countries should adopt the following measure:

(a) Progressive elimination or reduction of tariff and non-tariff
barriers and other obstacles to trade, taking into account the special characteristics of the trade of the developing countries, with a view to improving the international framework for the conduct of world trade.
Adherence to the fullest extent possible to the principle of the
"standstill" on imports from developing countries and recognition of the
need for prior consultation where feasible and appropriate in the event
that special circumstances warrant a modification of the "standstill";

(b) Adoption of trade measures designed to ensure increased exports of manufactured and semi-manufactured products including processed
agricultural products from the developing to the developed countries:

(c) Facilitate development of new and strengthen existing policies,
taking into account their economic structure and economic, social and
security objectives, which would encourage their industries which are
less competitive internationally to move progressively into more viable
lines of production or into other sectors of the economy, thus leading
to structural adjustments within the developed countries, and
redeployment of the productive capacities of such industries to
developing countries and promotion of a higher degree of utilisation of
natural resources and people in the latter:

* These are the guidelines that Keating, Button and other key
politicians have been parroting or espousing, the LIMA/NIEO demands the reduction of tariffs, removal of impediments to free trade, and the
advice that Australia should move into alternatives to manufacturing and industry.

* This disgraceful, secretive document is the virtual blueprint for
Australia's complete economic makeover, it was the driving force for the Campbell and Martin reports that preceded the deregulation of the
economy in 1983!

60.

(l) Preference should be given by the more industrialised developing countries, as far as possible, to imports of goods produced by the less industrialised countries. Positive policies are needed to increase intra-regional and inter-regional trade in manufactures:

* Even more instructions to the government to put other countries
interests before the interest and welfare of Australia contrary to the constitutional requirement of Treasury to provide full employment for
all Australians. ==

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(3) TIMELINE OF THE NEW INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC ORDER

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~noelmcd/hansard/nieotime.htm

1952

May 24-31 Moscow economic conference to extend world economic ties .
First post war meeting to prepare the groundwork for the future NIEO
Keesing's Archives P.12240 1974

May 1 United Nations general assembly adopts the program of action on
the NIEO May 1 is of course Communist May-day 1975

March 12-26 Release of the U.N.I.D.O. LIMA DECLARATION and plan of
action to establish a NEW INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC ORDER This agrees to
transfer our industry base to the third world countries by the year 2000
1975 Report where Senator D.R. Willesee of the Whitlam government
attended an August meeting of foreign ministers at Lima, Peru. This is
the acceptance of the NIEO by the foreign minister without parliamentary
debate Foreign Affairs page 514 . 1975 D.R. Willesee reports that the
NIEO implies an entirely reshaped economic system. Foreign Affairs p621.
1975 United Nations reports. Page 694 states that developed countries
are asked to restructure their industries in order to deploy production capacity to developing countries. Foreign Affairs p690. 1978

August Implications for Australia of a NIEO. Hon A. Peacock Economic Rationalist rhetoric confirming the fact of the NIEO AFAR p396 1979

18 Jan. Treasurer John Howard established a committee to inquire into
the Australian financial system. This report would take three years to complete. It obviously was not going to matter at the conclusion whether
the Liberals where still empowered This report also runs parallel with
the NIEO inquiry 1979

March 14- June22 Hansard transcript....Senate Inquiry. The New
International Economic Order-Implications for Australia p46 domestic compensation to the victims here...... rendered unemployed. p71 retrain displaced workers from the industries losing its protection p220
multinationals policy of transferring manufacturing industries to where
labour is cheap p861 NIEO ...detrimental to the interests of both
developed and developing countries p888 possible adverse effects of NIEO
in practise p893 serious adverse implications for Australia's ...
economic welfare p1320 we can see the number of unemployed in our
manufacturing industries This inquiry in 1979 was four years after the adoption, it should have preceded the agreement) 1981

September Confirms the 1952 Moscow conference as laying out the NIEO
program. Intelligence Survey p6 1981

29 Sep. Australian Financial System. final report released. Otherwise
known as the Campbell report 1982 A New Financial Revolution? The Centre
For Independent Studies. This book describes the Campbell Report as the
most important blueprint for financial reform in the history of
Australia. 1982 The Australian Financial System after the Campbell
Report. J.O.N. Perkins Adds weight to the fact of the inquiry and it's importance. 1982

10 March. Incorporation into Hansard of resolutions by the
Inter-Parliamentary Union adopting the NIEO and the LIMA DEC. Hansard
p818 1982

July Australian Labor Party. Platform Constitution and Rules. p70 work
for a new and just world economic order p71...towards realisation of a
New International Economic Order 1983

29 May Australian Financial System. Report of the review group. ( The
Martin Report ) This report was commissioned by Treasurer Keating to
follow on from the Campbell report and provided the blueprint for the
recession we had to have 1983

December Australian dollar floated. 1985

29 Nov Mr A.C. Rocher queries foreign affairs on aspects of the LIMA
DEC. Leaving no doubt of its implementation and effect. Hansard p4256
1986

29 May Mr B.J. Conquest queries some negative aspects of the LIMA DEC.
Barry Jones responds with Economic Rationalist rhetoric Hansard p4325
1987

Jan 5 ALP Platform called for establishment of a NIEO under UN control.
The nation's PM Robert Hawke endorses all the subversion in the
platform, and is also a proud member of the openly socialist Fabian
society. At the 100th anniversary dinner of the Fabians Hawke proclaimed
the entire strategy of his government was based on the Fabian plan.
Australia's independence is being deliberately transferred to a world government. The NEW AMERICAN p57 1989 The Deregulation of the Australian Financial System. J.O.N. Perkins. On page five this book directly
attributes the internationalisation of the Australian economy to the
theme of the Campbell report, It also confirms on the same page that the
Martin Report mirrored the Campbell report that Labor had opposed in opposition. ==

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(4) Outlining Australia's political path to poverty

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~noelmcd/index.htm

There can be no mistaking the intent and actions of Australian political parties to remove economic prosperity from the people of Australia. This
was heavily accelerated in 1975 by the Whitlam regime, launching
Australia on it's downward spiral into endemic debt and poverty. The
Lima Declaration was accepted by the Foreign Affairs Minister Senator D.R.Willessee, without the knowledge of Parliament. Thus ensuring that Australia would wind down Industry, Manufacturing and Farming. The Lima Declaration also required that we relinquish Monetary Control over the
Economy & Banking.

Every Government since 1974 has worked steadfastly towards the goals of
the Lima Declaration and the target year of 2000. The secretive 1979 Parliamentary Inquiry into the ramifications of the Lima conditions was conducted under a "D" Notice. The dire warnings for Australia were
manyfold at this Inquiry. Treasurer John Howard did not even wait for
the Inquiry, setting the Campbell Inquiry in motion before the damning
Inquiry. Treasurer Paul Keating continued the sellout of the Nation of Australia with his Martin Inquiry (commonly known as Campbell MkII)
Little wonder that Paul Keating knew that it was the recession we had to
have!

Because money is the most powerful medium by which a Nation can be
controlled, many preparations have been implemented over the decades to
achieve total control in this area. What we are talking about here is
the unseen hand behind the scenes, the Money Power. The Money Power

The Money Power is a term that was very much in vogue in the past. It
refers to the collective group of International financiers, investors
and bankers. The very rich and powerful who are able to use politicians
and bureaucrats to their advantage! Loss of the Peoples' Bank in 1923.

The new Federation of Australia made a momentous move towards
independance in 1911. A Bill was introduced into Parliament to establish
a CommonWealth Bank, run by a Governor on behalf of the people of
Australia. This new Bank opened on the 15th July 1912, and did indeed
serve as a Peoples' Bank until the death of the Governor, Sir Denison
Miller in 1923. Agents of the Money Power then ensured that the
CommonWealth became a Bankers' Bank, thus restoring the cruel monopoly
that the Banking Brotherhood enjoyed before 1911. The 1935 Tasmanian
Monetary Inquiry.

The never ending onslought and theft of the wealth of the people
resulted in a Parliamentary Inquiry in 1935. It was time to address the
long standing issue of the Banks versus the people. The select committee
held eighteen meetings to discover why the people were being prevented
from enjoying the increase of wealth that should accrue from the
increase in production over the previous thirty years. They demonstrated
that the faster industry functions...the faster that total debts to the
banking system increases! The committee also proved that new money comes
into existence through new bank loans, thus destroying the myth that
Government creates monies. The 1953 International Taxation Act.

The Money Power achieved another momentous lever over the locals in
1953, when the Double Taxation Bill was enacted into legislation. The
resulting International Taxation Act has meant that Foreign Investment
was no longer compelled to pay their share of the tax burden. This is
one of the main reasons that Foreign Investment has been able to
displace Australian Owned enterprise. The 1975 Lima Declaration.

Getting huge tax advantage was not enough for the greed of the Money
Power. Using the United Nations to advantage meant that the ultra
secretive Lima Declaration could be imposed on the Nation of Australia
with very few of the electorate ever realising. The conditions of the
Lima were imposed without discussion taking place in Parliament for four
more years, by then the conditions of Industry Transfer were well
entrenched. The 1979 NIEO Inquiry.

Buried within the Lima Declaration was the blueprint for future
recession. This was the all encompassing New International Economic
Order [NIEO] This Inquiry outlined many warnings which have now come to
pass. The extent of Foreign Ownership, the dis-employed,and certainly
the adverse implications for Australia's economic welfare. The 1979
Campbell Inquiry.

Announced by Treasurer John Howard on the 18th January 1979, the
Campbell Inquiry produced nothing more than a blueprint for the Money
Power to usurp economic sovereignty over the Nation of Austtralia. The
first criteria listed in the Terms of Reference was that of national
economic prosperity. Of course quite the opposite has occurred, all the
dire warnings poined out by the parralel NIEO Inquiry were conveniently ignored! The final report was presented by the Treasurer on 29th
September 1981, two years and nine months after commencing. The 1983
Martin Inquiry.

On the 29th May 1983, Treasurer Keating announced a Committee of Inquiry
into the Australian financial system, to be chaired by Mr V Martin of
the Mutual Life and Citizen' Assurance Company. This was little more
than a rubber stamp of the Campbell Inquiry, the Liberal/Labor coalition demonstrated excellent teamwork in implementing the NIEO. The 1983 De-regulation.

According to J.O.N. Perkins, in his book The Deregulation of the
Australian Financial System, the process of extensive deregulation had
been set in train before the Final Report of the Campbell Committee was
even published. The Martin Report confirmed the broad lines of the
Campbell recommendations, thus confirming the fact that both major
parties merely follow the dictates of the Money Power. The Australian
Dollar was floated in December 1983, just as the same arrangements had
been put into place in Britain in 1979.

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(5) Lima agreement merely stated what had already been happening

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:23:23 +1000 From: "John Craig" <cpds@brisbane.apana.org.au>

The 1975 Lima agreement (see QUOTE below) through UNIDO merely stated
what had already been happening for about a decade - and recommended
that UNIDO be the agency which made it happen. And as far as I know
organising that declaration was all that UNIDO actually did.

XXXXX QUOTE: from http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/lima/

A call for change was made in March 1975 when the Second General
Conference of the United Nations Industrial Development Organisation
(UNIDO), meeting in Lima, issued a Declaration and World Plan of Action.

The Lima Declaration and Plan of Action calls for the redistribution of
world industry so that developing countries would have 25% of it by the
year 2000. To achieve this, radical changes in traditional concepts and practices are recommended. Economic growth in poorer countries could no
longer be seen as the "trickle down" benefit of growth in rich
countries. To close the gap between richa nd poor nations the developing countries would have to grow faster than the developed countries. With
this end in mind, the Lima Declaration sets out the "main principles of industrialisation" and defines the "means by which the international
community as a whole might take broad action to establish a New
International Economic Order".

The Declaration envisages a process of "continuous consultations" in redeploying world industry and bringing about a new didvision of labour internationally. To facilitate this, it was recommended that UNIDO
become a specialised agency of the United Nations, with a new Industrial Development Fund, and undertake the central co-ordinating role in
changing the world industrial map.

The Lima Declaration calls upon the developed countries to eliminate
barriers to trade with developing countries and encourage their
manufactured exports. They are asked to "restructure" their industries
in order to deploy production capacity to developing countries and to
expand technical assistance programmes. They are also asked to
co-operate in ensuring that the activities of transnational corporations conform to the economic and social aims of developing countries in which
they operate. They are further asked to avoid discriminatory and
aggressive acts against States which exercise sovereign rights over
their own natural resources. All these recommendations are, in differing degrees, matters of controversy. But encouragingly, there is no question
of the general direction of change recommended - that of industrialising
the poorer countries.

END QUOTE XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

However the spread of industrialization has raised living standards in
many of what were once third world countries [though it did not do so in countries who did not participate in the globalization process].

Any problems in job numbers and quality in 1st world are (as far as I
can see) partly a consequence of using ineffectual economic development
tactics (see http://cpds.apana.org.au/Documents/Defects_ETSO/Defects_in_Economic_Tact ics.htm)

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(6) some folks believe that Israel is a client state of the US

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:07:39 -0700 From: jab@tucradio.org

There are still some folks who believe that Israel is a client state of
the US and that the humiliation t of every US president since Johnson at
the hands of whoever happens to be Israel's Prime Minister is just an
act. While America stands astride the planet as the world's only
superpower, Israel, now in the person of Sharon, sits on its shoulders,
giving orders re the Middle East. That 50 members of the US Congress are
about to go to Israel on a trip led by AIPAC may give those willing to
go beyond the "conventional wisdom" concerning the US-Israel
relationship, some idea of where the source of Israel's power
originates.

Jeff B


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Contents:

US soldiers doing zionism 'Red Dawn' against Iraqi Bravehearts are now inflicted with second deadly disease -- two die from sudden organ failure
virus amid spike in pneumonia cases

Career officer does eye-opening stint inside Pentagon


NeoConservatism - Where Trotsky Meets Stalin & Hitler


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US soldiers doing zionism 'Red Dawn' against Iraqi Bravehearts are now inflicted with second deadly disease -- two die from sudden organ failure
virus amid spike in pneumonia cases

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THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
updated: 07/28/2003 11:29 PM
St Louis Dispatch
http://tinyurl.com/ilvs
SPRINGFIELD, Mo. - Epidemiologists are investigating two unusual deaths from illness among troops in the Middle East to see whether they are related to
10 cases of severe pneumonia, The Springfield News Leader reported.

A Missourian, Spc. Joshua Neusche, 20, of Montreal, Mo., died of an illness July 12. His parents said the disease caused various organs to break down.

Two researchers have already been sent to the Landstuhl Regional Medical
Center in Germany, where Neusche was treated before his death.

The U.S. Army surgeon general's office told The News Leader an additional
team of six researchers is preparing to fly to Iraq to investigate.

The cases under investigation have occurred since March 1. Another soldier whose name wasn't released died about a month before Neusche, on June 17.

Col. Robert DeFraites, the surgeon general's senior preventative-medicine physician, said officials have not yet been able to identify a specific bacterium or virus that could have caused such severe cases of pneumonia.

"It's not entirely unheard of for this to happen," said DeFraites. He said
that in the past five years, 17 soldiers have died of acute respiratory distress syndrome.

However, he said it is uncommon for pneumonia to cause a breakdown in organs other than the lungs.

Neusche's parents said that's what happened to their son. Mark and Cynthia Neusche said they were told their son's kidneys, liver and muscles began to deteriorate after he contracted the illness.

"The doctor said (Josh) got into some type of toxin that began degenerating
his muscles," Mark Neusche said Friday.

The investigation comes at a time of overall concern about pneumonia.
DeFraites said there has been a noticeable increase in pneumonia cases among soldiers since the war in Iraq began. He didn't release specific numbers but said the incidence of pneumonia is exceeding military expectations of 10 to
20 cases among deployed soldiers each month. Most of the patients have
served in Kuwait and Iraq.

Besides bacteria and viruses, he said, pneumonia also can be brought on by fungus, parasites and noninfectious causes such as exposure to metal dust.

DeFraites said preliminary tests show the illness is not passed from person
to person and is not related to severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS.

During the investigation, the teams of epidemiologists will study everything from the soldiers' medical records and tissue samples to soil, water and air samples.

DeFraites said infectious agents such as anthrax and smallpox also will be investigated.

"Nothing's going to be ruled out," DeFraites said. "When you go into one of these things, you keep an open mind. ... There's enough concern about these
two fatal cases (occurring) in such a short period of time" to warrant the investigation.

Montreal, Mo., is just south of Camdenton, near the Lake of the Ozarks.

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http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/6424570.htm

Career officer does eye-opening stint inside Pentagon
By Karen Kwiatkowski, a recently retired Air Force Lieutenant colonel.

After eight years of Bill Clinton, many military officers breathed a sigh of relief when George W. Bush was named president. I was in that plurality. At
one time, I would have believed the administration's accusations of anti-Americanism against anyone who questioned the integrity and good faith
of President Bush, Vice President Cheney or Defense Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld.

However, while working from May 2002 through February 2003 in the office of
the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, Near East South Asia and Special Plans (USDP/NESA and SP) in the Pentagon, I observed the environment in
which decisions about post-war Iraq were made.

Those observations changed everything.

What I saw was aberrant, pervasive and contrary to good order and
discipline. If one is seeking the answers to why peculiar bits of ``intelligence'' found sanctity in a presidential speech, or why the post-Hussein occupation has been distinguished by confusion and false steps, one need look no further than the process inside the Office of the Secretary
of Defense. I can identify three prevailing themes.

. Functional isolation of the professional corps. Civil service and
active-duty military professionals assigned to the USDP/NESA and SP were noticeably uninvolved in key areas of interest to Undersecretary for Policy Douglas Feith, Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. These included Israel, Iraq and to a lesser extent, Saudi Arabia.

When the New York Times broke the story last summer of Richard Perle's invitation of Laurent Muraviec to brief the Defense Policy Board on Saudi Arabia as the next enemy of the United States, this briefing was news to the Saudi desk officer. He even had some difficulty getting a copy of it, while receiving assignments related to it.

In terms of Israel and Iraq, all primary staff work was conducted by
political appointees, in the case of Israel a desk officer appointee from
the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and in the case of Iraq, Abe Shulsky and several other appointees. These personnel may be exceptionally qualified; Shulsky authored a 1993 textbook Silent Warfare: Understanding
the World of Intelligence.

But the human resource depth made possible through broad-based teamwork with the professional policy and intelligence corps was never established, and apparently, never wanted by the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld organization.

. Cross-agency cliques: Much has been written about the role of the founding members of the Project for a New American Century, the Center for Security Policy and the American Enterprise Institute and their new positions in the Bush administration. Certainly, appointees sharing particular viewpoints are expected to congregate, and an overwhelming number of these appointees
having such organizational ties is neither conspiratorial nor unusual. What
is unusual is the way this network operates solely with its membership
across the various agencies -- in particular the State Department, the
National Security Council and the Office of the Vice President.

Within the Central Intelligence Agency, it was less clear to me who the appointees were, if any. This might explain the level of interest in the CIA taken by the Office of the Vice President. In any case, I personally
witnessed several cases of staff officers being told not to contact their counterparts at State or the National Security Council because that
particular decision would be processed through a different channel. This cliquishness is cause for amusement in such movies as Never Been Kissed or
The Hot Chick. In the development and implementation of war planning it is neither amusing nor beneficial for American security because opposing points
of view and information that doesn't ``fit'' aren't considered.

. Groupthink. Defined as ``reasoning or decision-making by a group, often characterized by uncritical acceptance or conformity to prevailing points of view,'' groupthink was, and probably remains, the predominant characteristic
of Pentagon Middle East policy development. The result of groupthink is the elevation of opinion into a kind of accepted ``fact,'' and uncritical acceptance of extremely narrow and isolated points of view.

The result of groupthink has been extensively studied in the history of American foreign policy, and it will have a prominent role when the history
of the Bush administration is written. Groupthink, in this most recent case leading to the invasion and occupation of Iraq, will be found, I believe, to have caused a subversion of constitutional limits on executive power and a co-optation through deceit of a large segment of the Congress.

I am now retired. Shortly before my retirement I was allowed to return to my primary office of assignment, having served in NESA as a desk officer
backfill for 10 months. The transfer was something I had sought, but my wish was granted only after I made a particular comment to my superior, in
response to my reading of a February Secretary of State cable answering a
long list of questions from a Middle Eastern country regarding U.S. planning for the aftermath in Iraq. The answers had been heavily crafted by the Pentagon, and to me, they were remarkably inadequate, given the late stage
of the game. I suggested to my boss that if this was as good as it got, some folks on the Pentagon's E-ring may be sitting beside Hussein in the war
crimes tribunals.

Hussein is not yet sitting before a war crimes tribunal. Nor have the key decision-makers in the Pentagon been forced to account for the odd set of circumstances that placed us as a long-term occupying force in the world's nastiest rat's nest, without a nation-building plan, without significant international support and without an exit plan. Neither may ever be required
to answer their accusers, thanks to this administration's military as well
as publicity machine, and the disgraceful political compromises already made
by most of the Congress. Ironically, only Saddam Hussein, buried under tons
of rubble or in hiding, has a good excuse.


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NeoConservatism - Where
Trotsky Meets Stalin & Hitler
By Srdja Trifkovic
Chronicles Magazine
8-3-3



The neoconservatives are often depicted as former Trotskyites who have
morphed into a new, closely related life form. It is pointed out that many early neocons -- including The Public Interest founder Irving Kristol and coeditor Nathan Glazer, Sidney Hook, and Albert Wohlstetter -- belonged to
the anti-Stalinist far left in the late 1930s and early 1940s, and that
their successors, including Joshua Muravchik, and Carl Gershman, came to neoconservatism through the Socialist Party at a time when it was Trotskyite
in outlook and politics. As early as 1963 Richard Hofstadter commented on
the progression of many ex-Communists from the paranoid left to the paranoid right, clinging all the while to the fundamentally Manichean psychology that underlies both. Four decades later the dominant strain of neoconservatism is declared to be a mixture of geopolitical militarism and "inverted socialist internationalism."

Blanket depictions of neoconservatives as redesigned Trotskyites need to be corrected in favor of a more nuanced analysis. In several important respects the neoconservative world outlook has diverged from the Trotskyite one and acquired some striking similarities with Stalinism and German National Socialism. Today's neoconservatives share with Stalin and Hitler an ideology
of nationalist socialism and internationalist imperialism. The similarities deserve closer scrutiny and may contribute to a better understanding of the most influential group in the U.S. foreign policy-making community.


Certain important differences remain, notably the neoconservatives'
hostility not only to Nazi race-theory but even to the most benign understanding of national or ethnic coherence. On the surface, there are
also glaring differences in economics. However, the neoconservative glorification of the free market is more rhetoric, designed to placate the businessmen who fund them, than reality. In fact, the neoconservatives favor not free enterprise but a kind of state capitalism -- within the context of
the global apparatus of the World Bank and the IMF -- that Hitler would have appreciated.


Some form of gradual but irreversible and desirable withering away of the
state is a key tenet of the Trotskyite theoretical outlook. The neoconservatives, by contrast, are statists par excellence. Their core
belief -- that society can be managed by the state in both its political and economic life -- is equally at odds with the traditional conservative
outlook and with the non-Stalinist Left. In this important respect the neoconservatives are much closer to Stalinism and National Socialism.


They do not want to abolish the state; they want to control it -- especially
if the state they control is capable of controlling all others. They are not "patriotic" in any conventional sense of the term and do not identify themselves with the real and historic America but see the United States
merely as the host organism for the exercise of their Will to Power. Whereas the American political tradition has been fixated on the dangers of
centralized state power, on the desirability of limited government and non-intervention in foreign affairs, the neoconservatives exalt and worship state power, and want America to become a hyper-state in order to be an effective global hegemon. Even when they support local government it is on
the grounds that it is more efficient and responsive to the demands of the Empire, not on Constitutional grounds.


The neoconservative view of America as a hybrid, "imagined" nation had an ardent supporter eight decades ago: in Mein Kampf Adolf Hitler argued for a new, tightly centralized Germany by invoking the example of the United
States and the triumph of the Union over states' rights.


He concluded that "National Socialism, as a matter of principle, must lay
claim to the right to force its principles on the whole German nation
without consideration of previous federated state boundaries."

Hitler was going to make a new Germany the way he imagined it, or else
destroy it. In the same vein the Weekly Standard writers are "patriots" only insofar as the America they imagine is a pliable tool of their global
design. Their relentless pursuit of an American Empire overseas is coupled
by their deliberate domestic transformation of the United States' federal government into a Leviathan unbound by constitutional restraints. The lines they inserted into President Bush's State of the Union address last January aptly summarized their Messianic obsessions: the call of history has come to the right country, we exercise power without conquest, and sacrifice for the liberty of strangers, we know that freedom is the right of every person and
the future of every nation: "The liberty we prize is not America's gift to
the world, it is God's gift to humanity."

Such megalomania is light years away from a patriotic appreciation of one's nation. A psychotic quest for power and dominance is the driving force, and
the "nationalist" discourse its justification. The reality is visible in ultimate distress: Towards the end of the Second World War Josef Goebbels welcomed the Allied bombing for its destruction of the old bourgeois cuckoo-clock and marzipan Germany of the feudal principalities. Driven by
the same impulse, Bill Kristol's "national greatness" psychosis seeks to
sweep away the old localized, decentralized America of bingo parlors and
little league games.


Most heirs of the Trotskyite Left are internationalists and one-world globalists, whereas all neoconservatives are unabashed imperialists.


The former advocate "multilateralism," in the form of an emerging "international community" controlled by the United Nations or through a
gradual transfer of sovereign prerogatives to regional groupings exemplified
by the European Union. By contrast the neoconservative urge for uninhibited physical control of other lands and peoples bears resemblance to the New European Order of six decades ago, or to the "Socialist Community" that succeeded it in Eastern Europe. Even when they demand wars to export
democracy, the term "democracy" is used as an ideological concept. It does
not signify broad participation of informed citizens in the business of governance, but it denotes the desirable social and political content of ostensibly popular decisions. The process likely to produce undesirable outcomes --an Islamic government in Iraq, say -- is a priori "undemocratic." Whereas the Trotskyite Left is predominantly anti-militarist, the neoconservatives are enthusiastically militarist in a manner reminiscent of German and Soviet totalitarianism. Their strategic doctrine, promulgated
into official policy last September, calls for an indefinite and massive military build-up unconnected to any identifiable military threat to the
United States. Their scribes demand 'citizen involvement,' in effect, militarization of the populace, but the traditional 'citizen soldier'
concept is reversed.


Their goal is to get suitably indoctrinated young Americans to go and risk their lives not for the honor and security of their own country, but for the missions that have to be misrepresented to the public (e.g. the non-existant Iraqi WMDs) in order to be made politically acceptable. As Gary North has pointed out, neoconservative foreign policy is guns before butter: "Butter always follows guns, but this is regarded as the inescapable price of
American regional presence abroad." The neoconservatives' deep-seated
distaste for the traditional societies, regimes, and religion of the
European continent, particularly Russia and East European Slavs, is
positively Hitlerian.


The sentiment was most glaringly manifested in the 1999 NATO war against the Serbs: William Kristol's urge to vicariously "crush Serb skulls" went way beyond the 1914 Viennese slogan "Serbien muss sterbien." In terms of
strategic significance for the United States, however, the neocons' visceral Russophobia is mush more significant.

In the aftermath of the Cold War the neoconservatives have continued to
regard Moscow as the enemy, enthusiastically supporting Chechen separatists
as "freedom fighters" and advocating NATO expansion. Their atavism is comparable to Hitler's obsession with Russia, an animosity that was equally unrelated to the nature of its regime. It is only a matter of time before
some neocons start advocating a new Drang nach Osten, in the form of an American-led scramble for Siberia.


The neoconservative mindset is apocalyptic (which is a Nazi and Stalinist trait), rather than utopian (which characterizes the Trotskyite Left). The replacement of the Soviet threat with the more amorphous "terrorism"
reflects the doomsday revolutionary mentality that can never rest. New
missions and new wars will have to be engineered, and pretexts manufactured, with the same subtlety that characterized the "attack" on the German radio station at Gleiwitz on August 31, 1939. Even the tools for the enforcement
of domestic acquiescence are not dissimilar: the Patriot Act followed 9-11
as smoothly as the suspension of the Weimar constitution followed the
Reichstag fire. Echoing the revolutionary dynamism and the historicist Messianism equally common to fascists and communists, Michael Ledeen wrote
that "creative destruction" is America's eternal mission, both at home and abroad, and the reason America's "enemies" hate it: "They cannot feel secure
so long as we are there, for our very existence -- our existence, not our politics -- threatens their legitimacy. They must attack us in order to survive, just as we must destroy them to advance our historic mission." The neoconservatives' mendacity apparent in the misrepresentation of the Iraqi crisis to the American people recalls the Goebbelsian "hypodermic needle approach" to communication, in which the communicator's objective was to "inject" his ideas into the minds of the target population. "Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering said when it was all over, in his prison cell in Nuremberg in 1946:

"Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?
But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy
and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a communist dictatorship ... That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce
the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

It does indeed. Goering's observation is echoed in our time by the
Straussian dictum that perpetual deception of the citizens by those in power
is necessary because they need to be led, and they need to be told what is
good for them. On this, at least, Trotsky, Stalin, and Hitler would all
agree. (As Hitler had said, "The receptive powers of the masses are very restricted, and their understanding is feeble.") In the Straussian-neoconservative mindset, those who are fit to rule are those who realize there is no morality and that there is only one natural right, the right of the superior to rule over the inferior.


That mindset is America's enemy. It is the greatest threat to the constitutional order, identity, and way of life of the United States, in existence today. Its adherents have only modified the paradigm of
dialectical materialism in order to continue pursuing the same
eschatological dream, the End of History devoid of God. They are in pursuit
of Power for its own sake -- thus sinning against God and man -- and the end
of that insane quest will be the same as the end of the Soviet empire and of the Thousand-Year Reich.

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic/NewsST072303.html



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CITIZEN ELECTORATE MUST PUNISH MURDER-FRAMEUP-WAR BI-PARTISANSHIP
WITH A "CLOTHESPIN" COALITION



Citizens must put clothespins on their noses and join an
anti-corruption ticket organized under a coalition of Libertarians,
Old Conservatives, Populists and Greens.

We cannot let the two rival gangs -- the Bloodsrepulbicans and the Cripsdemocrats -- each globalist finance capitalism banks and
corporations -- continue trading off while keeping everything
always as corrupt as ever.



I have suggested that Harry Browne, Ralph Nader and Patrick Buchanan
get together to decide UPON machinery of coordination and ultimate
candidate selection and to outline strategy. WE DO NOT HAVE THE
ABILITY TO BUILD A BOTTOM UP PARTY IN THIS SHORT TIME -- WE NEED
MEN WE CAN TRUST ETHICALLY, AND WHO EACH RESIST ORGANIZED CRIME
GLOBALIZATION -- BUT WHO EACH REPRESENTS A STRAIN OF AMERICAN
POLITICAL TRADITION THAT HAS BEEN IGNORED AND STARVED FOR 100 YEARS
-- YET THEIR BEING THREE LEADERS WHO MUST REACH AGREEMENT AMONG
THEMSELVES AND WHO DIFFER FROM EACH OTHER ON MANY ISSUES -- WE HAVE
A SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THIS TEMPORARY ARRANGEMENT THAT
WILL PREVENT ONE MINORITY SCHOOL OF THOUGHT FROM TAKING A MAJOR
REBELLION AGAINST BI-PARTISAN CRIME AND TRUNING IT INTO A PLATFORM
FOR ALL OF THEIR PET REMEDIES.



I WOULD TRUST THAT WHATEVER NADER, BROWNe AND BUCHANAN COULD AGREE ON,
WOULD NOT BE TERRIBLY BAD, AND WOULD CERTAINLY BE INFINITELY BETTER
THAN WHAT BLOOD-STAINED PIRATES RULING US NOW WILL BE OFFERING.



CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT IDEAS MAY EXIST THAT CAN END OUR MISERY?
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Corrupt US courts awarding upper crust WTC victim's family tens of millions each with Iraqi's money -- which buys their shut mouths over the 9-11
black -ops mass-murder frameup.



Here is how it works:


Judge rules: Iraqis will pay $104 million to family of senior managing
director and partner of WTC firm Cantor Fitzgerald and another. (see below) Deviant ruling elite may have had to have killed daddy for effect, but they know how to make it up to you if you were born right.

Yes, the ruling-class judge knew all about Iraqi involvement in al Qe-ada,
even if no one else does -- and so this rich family, already flush with
life insurance cash, gets further settlement on the backs of the poor
Iraqis.

See we've got legal protection made to order, if you have the lawyer and
the connections.

I guess this means that the real (and proven) perpetrators (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney, Rice etc. don't have to feel guilty about the
family of this rich victim family any more -- that is, if they ever did.)

Is America a great country or what?

Dick, they're out of control. They can do anything they please now.

A federal judge awarded nearly US$104m in damages to the families of two victims of 9/11.
The cases were brought by the estate of George Eric Smith, a senior business analyst for SunGard Asset Management and Timothy Soulas, a senior managing director and partner at Cantor Fitzgerald Securities.

The plaintiffs had provided some evidence that Iraq provided support to
Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.

James Easley, the lawyer who brought the case said it was unclear how much
in frozen Iraqi and al-Qaida assets could be available to satisfy the judgement.

Obviously James Easley should have been asked to provide the dossier to
support Bush's war in Iraq. Did anyone ask him? On the otherhand the amount
of evidence required in the US court when the elite are plaintiffs may only need to be circumstantial. It might even have been the meeting in Prague between Atta and an Iraqi intelligence officer. Since the administration doesn't take much notice of what the CIA tell them about Iraq perhaps US
judges over looked their intelligence that said Atta was in the US when this meeting took place. If there was a meeting that is with the Iraqi in attendance.

I wonder how the judge split the proportions to be paid by Iraq and
al-Qaida. Was Iraqs support weighed up at 20%; 50% or 80%? How much will al-Qaida have to pay? Of course they were found liable for 9/11 minutes
after the event. Presumably Mr Easley didn't have to submit much evidence against them before the judge found them liable. I suspect that the legal
costs were reasonably small for a big shot US lawyer because the judge
couldn't have taken too long to reach his decision since the US
administration had done all the work for both him and the lawyer. Was the
court case ex parte? Who acted for the Respondents? Were Saudi Arabia a respondent too (and found innocent)? Of course their guilt, if any has not
yet been revealed by the US administration.

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Related news:



CALLING COURT RELIANCE ON THE CONSTITUTION "PLAYING LONE RANGER" JUSTICE
RUTH GINSBERG DECLARES THE SUPREME COURT NOW UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAWS AND
LAWS OF OTHER NATIONS MORE TO BILLIONAIRES' AND THIS BELOVED JURIST'S
LIKING



(Ruling elite had to go there, in case the people tried to alter the laws to unseat rule of organized crime. That's how it looks to me.)



Justice Ginsburg Says Supreme Court Is No Longer "lone-Ranger" in Decision-Making
By Gina Holland Associated Press Writer
Published: Aug 2, 2003

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court is looking beyond America's borders for guidance in handling cases on issues like the death penalty and gay rights, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said Saturday.
The justices referred to the findings of foreign courts this summer in their own ruling that states may not punish gay couples for having sex.

And in 2002, the court said that executing mentally retarded people is unconstitutionally cruel. That ruling noted that the practice was opposed internationally.

"Our island or lone ranger mentality is beginning to change," Ginsburg said during a speech to the American Constitution Society, a liberal lawyers
group holding its first convention.

Justices "are becoming more open to comparative and international law perspectives," said Ginsburg, who has supported a more global view of
judicial decision making.

Ginsburg cited an international treaty in her vote in June to uphold the use
of race in college admissions.

The shift has angered some conservatives. Justice Antonin Scalia, in the gay sex case, wrote with two colleagues that the court should not "impose
foreign moods, fads, or fashions on Americans."

David Rivkin Jr., a conservative Washington attorney, said foreign trends
can be helpful to legislators in setting policy, but not to judges in interpreting the U.S. Constitution.

Last month, Ginsburg and Justices Sandra Day O'Connor and Stephen Breyer discussed the death penalty and terrorism with French President Jacques
Chirac during a European tour. France outlawed the death penalty in 1981. Ginsburg was one of five justices who attended a conference on the European constitution.

Ginsburg said Saturday that the Internet is making decisions of courts in
other countries more readily available in America, and they should not be ignored.

"While you are the American Constitution Society, your perspective on constitutional law should encompass the world," she told the group of
judges, lawyers and students. "We are the losers if we do not both share our experiences with and learn from others."


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Gore says Americans feeling something has 'gone wrong'

Oh, really? Perhaps if he was looking for answers instead of at opinion
polls he might have had time to find out what that 'something' it is.

Obviously he hasn't a clue:

Mr. Gore credited Mr. Bush for deposing Afghanistan's Taliban
rulers and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein,

So, let me:

The Taliban were the ones who were getting rid of the opium that supplies
the Chinese who make the heroin that is sold worldwide that gets the
trillions that is laundered in the banks that invest in china which builds
the super factories which hires the penny-slave laborers who make the
plastic action figure tie-ins with hollywood productions and everything else which closes our factories which puts us out of work which causes the depression which is forgotten because of the war on terror etc.

And the Taliban leader, Mulah Mohammed Omar the honest and good, said he
would turn over Ossam bin Laden to the US at once if Bush would just show
some proof that Osama was really involved in 9-11??? After all that is
normal procedure in any extradition case. But hothead Caligula Bush would
have nothing like that, would he? NOoooo! He had to go in and "get bin
Laden right away" and kill and kill and kill in country after country
including our own. AND THAT IS HORROR ENOUGH -- EVEN IF YOU ARE TOO
COWARDLY, OBTUSE AND DISHONEST TO SEE THE PROOF (rf. bottom of page) THAT
THE ADMINISTRATION, ESPECIALLY THE NEO-CON ZIONISTS AT THE PENTAGON (EAST
SIDE OF BUILDING) DID 9-11 in the first place and are, therefore, the greatest terrorists in the history of the world.

WHO HERE DOESN'T GET IT? What would Gore, or Dean or any other Democrat candidates say if I popped up in a campaign rally and asked them their
opinion on THAT? Which of us is detached from reality?

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

Recap: Bush could have had Ossama bin Laden sent to him by Afganistan
police if he merely showed head of state Mohammed Omar evidence of OBL's involvement in the WTC and Pentagon killings. Bush refused to agree to this normal extradition proceedure, because he was in too much of a hurry to get bin Laden and rid the world of his menace. Don't forget that. It is important. It was the clue to all my suspicions subsequently confirmed.


We're not finished yet.


The other Iraq fraud

" The administration took every opportunity to invoke Sept. 11 as evidence
of the need for war. The chief cause for worry about unconventional
armaments was that even if Mr. Hussein didn't use them against us, he might give them to bin Laden, who certainly would. "Using chemical, biological
or, one day, nuclear weapons obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country," Mr. Bush asserted. The
campaign of guilt by association succeeded ... Last fall, a majority of Americans said Mr. Hussein was personally involved in Sept. 11, something
even the administration didn't dare to claim. But three months after victory was declared, the proof of a meaningful link between Iraq and al-Qaida is
even more elusive than before." http://www.sunspot.net/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.chapman05aug05,0,5020066.sto
ry


Gulf War II soldiers are dying of a 'mystery' illness, falsely labeled 'pneumonia'

"The American Gulf War Veterans Association (AGWVA), an independent Gulf
War Veterans' support organization, has long searched for answers to
explain why nearly half of the 697,000 Gulf War I Veterans are now ill and
why over 200,000 of those servicemen/women have requested disability, but
have received no adequate diagnosis or treatment, from either the
Department of Defense (DOD), or Veteran's Affairs. Though there have been
over 125 studies done by the government at the cost of over $300,000,000
to the taxpayer, we still have no answers as to what caused so many of our soldiers to become ill. Meanwhile, the suffering veterans are receiving little, if any, medical treatment for this illness. It seems that whenever veterans become ill, the term 'mystery illness' seems to be the first and often the only diagnosis that is ever made. Veterans are then left to fend for themselves, sick and unable to work, with little hope of a normal life again.

"The AGWVA is now again asking questions, this time, about the newest
'mystery illness' to hit the military. After being pressured by a few independent news reporters who have not permitted this 'mystery' to
continue unabated, The DOD recently has been forced to announce the
'mystery' deaths of Gulf War II soldiers and that at least 100 other men
and women have become ill. Again, however, there were no adequate answers, but, only that the 'mystery illness' diagnosis had reared its ugly head
again.

"According to a family member of one of the military victims, the DOD recently, has changed its label of the illness and is now calling it 'pneumonia' in sharp contrast to what a physician on the scene reported.
Due to continuing pressure for sound answers, the DOD was again forced to
send an investigative team to Iraq, however the convenient, repeated lack
of diagnosis, unfortunately translates into lack of treatment, and lack of compensation for the veteran. The jury is still out, however, if the DOD
will be forthcoming with the truth this time.

"Contrary to the 'pneumonia' and 'mystery illness' labels, enlightening information surfaced today on 'The Power Hour' radio show (www.thepowerhour.com) in an interview with Mark Neusche, father of Josh Neusche, one of the GW II troops to lose his life from the 'mystery
illness' while serving in Iraq. . . .

"One of the most surprising statements to come from The Power Hour
interview conducted on 'The Genesis Network' was that while the son, Josh Neusche, was a healthy young soldier on June 26, 2003, when he reported
that he was going to serve on the secret hauling mission, by July 1, 2003,
he was in a coma, and that day was suddenly classified by the military, as medically retired from the Army without Josh or his family's consent.

"Josh did not die until July 12, 2003. Among other problems that this new classification created was that the DOD was no longer obligated to assist
the family in getting to Germany to be with their son as he lay in a coma. Because the DOD would not provide even so much as plane or taxi fare for
the Neusche family, all 650
members of the 203rd Engineer Battalion each contributed $10.00 to make the family's final visit possible. "

The above is drawn from a Press Release of today's date - August 8 - issued
by the American Gulf War Veterans Association.

In friendship,

Boudewijn Wegerif
http://www.whatmatters.nu


Oil Criminals breath easy -- It's all fixed!

An executive order signed by President Bush more than two months ago is
raising concerns that U.S. oil companies may have been handed blanket
immunity from lawsuits and criminal prosecution in connection with the sale
of Iraqi oil. ...the two-page executive order seemed to completely shield
oil companies from liability - even if it could be proved that they had committed human rights violations, bribed officials or caused great environmental damage in the course of their Iraqi-related business. http://www.latimes.com/la-fi-order7aug07,0,4076489.story


Rumsfled says Pneumonia -- Who's to argue?
The father of a soldier who died of pneumonia this spring said Thursday the Army has excluded her death from its investigation of deadly pneumonia
because it wants to cover up vaccine side effects. ...Moses Lacy, whose daughter, Army Spc. Rachael Lacy, died April 4 at the Mayo Clinic in
Rochester, Minn., after getting pneumonia... said his daughter "was a
healthy young woman" but got ill within days of getting anthrax and smallpox vaccinations on March 2 in preparation for deployment to the Persian Gulf.
She was too ill to ever be deployed. Army coverup: http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030807-043512-3755r


Why did Kelly corpse have coronary care electrode pads on the chest?
Heart experts today said it was "unusual" for someone to wear electrode pads while walking following revelations that government scientist David
Kelly --source for a report claiming the government altered the contents of
a dossier about Iraq - --had four of the special monitors on his chest when
his body was found in an Oxfordshire wood. "If I was in a morgue and his
body was presented to me I would have thought it had come out of a coronary care unit or an operating theatre," said Professor Konrad Jamrozik, of
Imperial College Hospital London.
http://www.rense.com/general39/kel.htm


How neo-cons influence the Pentagon --
An ad hoc office under US Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith appears to have acted as the key base for an informal network of mostly neo-conservative political appointees that circumvented normal inter-agency channels to lead the push for war against Iraq. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak01.html


Under orders not to take Saddam alive? Does that sound like they want to
learn about WMD's and terrorism network or cover it up?

To ensure that Bush is spared the embarrassment of Saddam being captured
alive and being placed on trial where he can tell his side of the story,
Donald Rumsfeld's secret force of specially trained hit-men backed with
super intelligence resources have orders to get there first and make sure
that Saddam is a dead man who tells no tales. Article: A shadowy unit of elite troops is leading the hunt in Iraq for Saddam Hussein, who remains a
step ahead of his pursuers four months after being driven from power. The
U.S. military is tight-lipped about the activities of Task Force 20, whose commandos were involved in the July 22 raid in Mosul in which Saddam's sons Uday and Qusay were killed and now are stalking the missing former
president. But a senior defense official, speaking on condition of
anonymity, described Task Force 20 as "a multi-service special forces unit." The official said it tracks "high-value targets," meaning Saddam and his
inner circle, and during the war was responsible for securing Iraq's
expansive western desert and also involved in the fruitless search for
weapons of mass destruction. Analysts said Task Force 20 comprises perhaps 750-1,500 troops, drawn from several established units under the U.S.
Special Operations Command.
http://tinyurl.com/jduu



Fighting the foreigners who cross the seas to invade your land and turn it
into a shambles is now "terrorism" according to Colin Powell.

Powell calls Iraqis resisting the Imperial Zionist occupation forces that
just took over their country in naked aggression masked with lies he calls them "terrorists"! (Have you seen my proof that US DoD neo-cons. MI6, the
CIA black ops, and Mossad did 9-11. Are you ready for the whirlpool of
blood that such unlimited evil as Mr. Powell represents is going bring to
this country unless justice begins to move on the cold-blooded
class-conscious sociopathic killers running this country by their own
twisted soi-disant divine right? http://tinyurl.com/jduk



9-11 Official Story is all hopless bundle of self-contradiction and fact-contradiction

A Portugal-based investigative journalist has presented THE NEWS with
version of the September 11th attacks that has to date failed to attract
the attention of the international press. The report, compiled by an independent inquiry into the September 11th, World Trade Centre attack,
warns the American public that the government's official version of events does not stand up to scrutiny http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=43017;title=APFN



"We were dying to get here and pay back Saddam for 911 and his nukes, now we are dying to get out, and some are only getting out by dying." --
In the past week or so, Iraqi guerrillas have been killing U.S. troops at
the rate of about two a day. Even if the fighting does not escalate any further, at least 1,000 more American troops will die in Iraq before the election in November, 2004. Welcome to "Iraq-Nam".
Article: More U.S. troops will die in 'Iraq-Nam' http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2003/08/06/200308060032.asp


At least 20,000 civilians were injured in the Iraq war:
Why are the occupiers ignoring their suffering and their needs? -- The Iraq Body Count Project has never published a running total of injuries suffered
in the war because injuries encompass a scale from the grievous and incapacitating to the light and fully recuperable, and in the absence of information about severity it makes no sense to assign the same unit value
to each report of injury. But because injuries are not all comparable does
not mean that they can or should be excluded from an accounting of the human costs of the war. On the contrary, the need to investigate and assess them
is especially urgent, for many of the injured may still be suffering and
their condition may be improved if we act promptly. http://www.iraqbodycount.net/editorial_aug0703.htm


U.S. Clamps Secrecy on Warnings Before 9/11
The recent report of the joint congressional committee that probed
intelligence failures before the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon reveals what the Bush administration doesn't want Americans
to know about the American government. You would not know this from media accounts about this report. They have dwelled on what the Bush
administration doesn't want us to know about the Saudi government. http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vpcoc073404676aug07,0,4849578.column



A hawk nests in the State Department
His name is John Bolton; his title, undersecretary of state for arms
controland international security. And he is widely seen as the reliable
fifth columnist within the State Department for the right-wing and neo-conservative hawks who led the drive to war in Iraq from their perches
at the Pentagon and Vice President Dick Cheney's office. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH08Ak02.html


Recommended: Joost van Steenis: New ways to break the power of the elite
Joost van Steenis: New ways to break the power of the elite Fw: Final
chapter, "What is to be done," of his About Violence and Democracy. Like Boudewijn Wegerif, Joost van Steenis is a friend as an international voice
of a movement for all classes and walks of life, of enlightened populism as
an international movement against international infestation by dysfunctional and very dangerous globalist elites. I have been avid student of both
these great men through their newsletters for over three years now. I recommend making Steenis's work on breaking the power of the elite --
something I want to be thoroughly versed in and actively passing on to
every intelligent person of good will that I know --Dick Eastman http://members.chello.nl/jsteenis/violencedemocracy.htm


Informer dies at father hand -- Thuluya, August 6: Two hours before the
dawn call to prayer, in a village still shrouded in silence, Sabah Kerbul's executioners arrived. His father carried an AK-47 assault rifle, as did his brother. And with barely a word spoken, they led the man accused by the
village of working as an informer for the Americans behind a house girded
with fig trees. His father raised his rifle and aimed it at his oldest son. ??Sabah didn't try to escape,'' said Abdullah Ali, a village resident. ??He knew he was facing his fate.'' Kerbul, a tall, husky 28-year-old, died.
"It wasn't an easy thing to kill him,'' his brother Salah said. In his
simple home of cement and cinder blocks, the father, Salem, thumbed prayer beads as he recalled a warning from residents earlier this month. He
insisted his son was not an informer, but his protests meant little. He recalled their threat was clear: Either he kill his son, or villagers would resort to tribal justice and kill the rest of his family in retaliation for Kerbul's role in a US military operation in the village in June, in which
four people were killed. http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=29105


DE's comment on that Father's act:

What would you do if you learned that your son was collaborating with the Zionist occupation here, that for example he was helping to keep the Administrations guilt for 9-11 covered up on the internet or fingered
patriots for Mossad assassination.

What does a "devout" Jew's family do when he or she marries goy? ANs. Everything but pull the trigger.

What must it be like to be a man like that Iraqi father? I don't think he loved his son any less than I, for example, love my three daughters.
Rather, this it is like something in a Greek tragedy, or is like the movie Old Yeller when the beloved dog becomes infected with rabbies, as I remember it, and so to protect the family has to be destroyed.
The kid liked hanging around the Americans, fingering the enemies of Good
King George in exchange for ... for what? Drugs? Porn? Homosexual sex?
(Not exclusively a British prerogative.) Maybe some
gum, chum? Most likely money. What else can "our side" offer?

What did you want, in showing us this article? For us to hate the Iraqi
father as a bloodthirsty brute to kill his own son proving what killers all Moslems and Arabic speaking peoples are?

Sorry. Its way more complex than that. I know full well that Zionism --
that is Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, etc. put the gun to both the son's head
and the father's. Both would be talking about shool or work at the dinner
table tonight if it wasn't for Zionist intrigue from the 9-11 mass-murder frameup to the knowingly false calims of continuing nuclear weapons
development in the State of the Union Address (at Wolfowitz's blood-guilty deceitful urging).

There were many cases of within-family vigilante justice like this in the American South during and following the American Civil War. (In fact the families that won the US Civil War (eg. Harrimans, Rockefellers etc..) are
many of the he same families that profit from this one, that hold the IOUs
for the crushing debt at compound interest that is, unannounced, bankrupting the United States.

While not advocating it, I predict that when stringency and misery in the
US reaches the proportions it has reached in Iraq, that a period of such extreme and agonized remedy for the national curse of Ivy League Americans knowingly serving Zionist mass-murdering billioniares will visit our
hores -- and if the principe of Greek tragedians ideas of justice is at
all accurate, such bloodshed is the inevitable way all this injustice
brought on by a tragically flawed king and his retinue.

Rumsfeld's head on a pole may not put the universe right, but blood will be paid for in blood -- and the tortured world has just about getting to that point -- especially if the murderers now in power in the US resort to more naked and ruthless coercion and fraud to maintain their power to escape indictment and prosecution.

Let's work to return justice and sanity to our government without having to
go through that kind of hell.

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Pentagon makes moves to contain complaints from US troops in Iraq


Old Europe wilting under Anglo-American weather warfare -- punishment for
not going along with war or hot-as-hell distraction to keep demonstrators' bodies and minds from anti-war-crime demonstrations? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weather_ops/


The US only has 4% of the population of the World and a low percentage of
our population military that is very dependent on high tech and nuclear
devices to make us a World Class Power, yet Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and, yes, Powell are downsizing national defense that we depend on to protect us intimidation, defeat and Iraq-Afganistan style humiliation at the hands of China' ever upbeefing military that views us as its primary enemy and views
war with us as inevitable. Yet our military is being converted into an international swat team to enforce the dictates of global oil barons and
drug kingpins aound the world.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/949895.asp?pne=msntv



CORPORATIONS CHING-CHONG TREASON -- Clinton or Bush it makes no difference

Corporate America continues to finance China's military over and over and politically, no one wants to back China down, curb it or put a stop to it. China's position in the world does not make sense. Why did they let us go
into Afganistan? Why are they silent on our talk of going into North Korea, with whom they fought us in a Korean War ("UN Police Action" ) that never officially ended.

What will China really do when our depleted and exhausted and unarmed forces hit the Korean peninsula, them the largest land power on earth and able to control air and seas around North Korea?

My view is that China is working with Israel and the global elites (who,
like Pirates, have no country -- or should I say "druglords" and merchant bankers because that is who our deviant ruling elites are beholding to) to defeat the US and its views of freedom (Jefferson's definition, not George II's)

Related:

http://www.friendsofliberty.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1182

China: World's Biggest Security Threat
Taipei Times
Thursday, Aug 07, 2003, Page 8

Who is the biggest espionage threat to the US? It is no longer Russia, the
Cold War archenemy, nor the recently fashionable "axis of evil" countries -- Iran, Iraq and North Korea. The rapidly rising China has replaced the Soviet Union as the biggest espionage threat to the US in the past decade. Among
the spies who have emerged in recent years are Larry Chin (???), who spied
for Beijing in the CIA for 30 years; scientist Lee Wen-ho (???), who was suspected of providing missile information to China; and Katrina Leung, who used sex to obtain FBI intelligence. These were were all major Chinese spy cases that shocked the US and the rest of the world.

According to an FBI estimate, Beijing has set up more than 3,000 front companies in the US to cover espionage activities. In addition, many of the Chinese students, businessmen and visitors entering the US every year are believed to be on intelligence-gathering missions. For the US, China poses a multi-faceted, all-round threat of infiltration. Chinese spies are not only increasing in number but also gradually expanding the scope of their work to reach the core of the US national security establishment...

On Tuesday, Taiwan's law enforcement authorities exposed a Chinese spy ring. Yeh Chen-yu, a member of the espionage group, obtained research and
development information from Chen Shih-liang, a technician at the Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology, Taiwan's top defense research
institution. Yeh also obtained intelligence on US-Taiwan military
cooperation from Howard Hsu, a retired Boeing engineer living in the US, and sold sensitive military equipment to China.

Along with the increase in cross-strait exchanges, Chinese citizens coming
to Taiwan as immigrants, businessmen or tourists -- as well as Taiwanese citizens doing the same in China -- can be recruited by Chinese intelligence agencies and become Beijing's spies.

From the recent increase in Chinese spy cases, and from the expanding scope

of infiltration into the military and defense research institutions, one can easily see the alarming loopholes in Taiwan's national security. These cases tell us that China is not just Taiwan's top enemy in intelligence security work. Chinese espionage activities have also become the biggest potential threat to American security.

Taiwan has many years of experience in dealing with Chinese spies and has a deep understanding of Beijing's intelligence-gathering strategies and operations. The US has advanced intelligence and counter-intelligence technologies and facilities. Taiwan and the US need to increase their intelligence cooperation to ensure the security of both sides and to stop
the harm done by the Chinese spy network to the security of Taiwan, the US, Asia and the world.

Both Taiwan and the US are victims in this most recent case of Chinese espionage. It is not appropriate for the US to restrict the transfer of military technologies or curb weapons sales to Taiwan on account of this
case. No side stands to benefit from such an act.

By restricting weapons sales and the transfer of defense technologies, the
US will be falling into China's trap -- Beijing has always been trying to
sow discord between Taiwan and the US. Taiwan's security will then be
seriously harmed, and the US will lose one layer of protection for its
defense security. The only beneficiary will be China.

Both Taiwan and the US should take this opportunity to review their intelligence and security systems, find the loopholes and jointly formulate strategies to resolve the threat. This will be the only win-win strategy. ===============



Agency seizure of baby still a sad mystery http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E115%7E1553832,00.html

==========


Thought piece -- think not only of American militias ready to guard our freedom from the treachery and treason of a would-be King George, but also
of the Iraqi Bravehearts who defend their country against the Imperial
Zionist stormtroopers that Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowtiz have made of our
naive, idealistic and patriotic sons and daughters.

AMERICAN PARA MILITARY EXTREMISTS RIOT!!



Scores Killed, Hundreds Injured As Para-Military Extremists Riot


Boston, April 20-National Guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of
recently banned assault weapons were ambushed on April 19th by elements of a para-military extremist faction. Military and law enforcement sources
estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200 injured before government
forces were compelled to withdraw.

Speaking after the clash, Massachusetts governor Thomas Gage declared that
the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has made up of local citizens, has links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement.
Gage blamed the extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed
against internal revenue offices.

The governor, who described the group's organizers as "criminals," issued
an executive order authorizing the summary arrest of any individual who has interfered with the government's efforts to secure law and order.

The military raid on the extremist arsenal followed widespread refusal by
the local citizenry to turn over recently outlawed assault weapons. Gage
issued a ban on military-style assault weapons and ammunition earlier in the week.

This decision followed a meeting in early April between government and military leaders at which the governor authorized the forcible confiscation
of illegal arms. One government official, speaking on condition of
anonymity, pointed out that "none of these people would have been killed had the extremists obeyed the law and turned over their weapons voluntarily."

Government troops initially succeeded in confiscating a large supply of outlawed weapons and ammunition. However, troops attempting to seize arms
and ammunition in Lexington met with resistance from heavily-armed
extremists who had been tipped off regarding the government's plans.


During a tense standoff in Lexington's town park, National Guard Colonel Francis Smith, commander of the government operation, ordered the armed
group to surrender and return to their homes. The impasse was broken by a single shot, which was reportedly fired by one of the right-wing extremists.

Eight civilians were killed in the ensuing exchange.

Ironically, the local citizenry blamed government forces rather than the extremists for the civilian deaths. Before order could be restored, armed citizens from surrounding areas had descended upon the guard units. Colonel smith, finding his forces overmatched by the armed mob, ordered a retreat.

Governor Gage has called upon citizens to support the state/national joint task force in its effort to restore law and order. The governor has also demanded the surrender of those responsible for planning and leading the
attack against the government troops. Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and John Hancock, who have been identified as "ringleaders' of the extremist faction, remain at large.

==========

The 9-11 mass-murders were a false-flag black operation conducted by the
CIA, MI6, Mossad, corporations, investmetn banks, and the top leadership in the Bush Administration and the Blair and Sharon governments.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message
s

For a quick overview of the crime, start with #10 of the 43 messages: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message /10


"Every man of courage is a man of his word." Consult these other sources
by these intelligent men of good will and moral bravery who have
investigated facts of the 9-11 frameup and found the truth to show it to
you:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart/index.html
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm

http://earth-citizens.net
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/ http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html
http://www.the-movement.com

More:
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/messenger.html
http://www.truthout.org http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/temoins_en.htm

http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html

http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com
http://www.antiwar.com

http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/
http://www.911timeline.net/

http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm



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From Newsgroup: alt.society.civil-liberty


'I saw the heads of my two little girls come off' An Iraqi mother in a van fired on by US soldiers says she saw her two young daughters decapitated in the incident that also killed her son and eight other members of her
family. The children's father, who was also in the van, said US soldiers
fired on them as they fled towards a checkpoint because they thought a
leaflet dropped by US helicopters told them to "be safe", and they believed that meant getting out of their village to Karbala. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/02/1048962796085.html


Israel is considering reactivating a pipeline that runs from Haifa to the northern Iraqi city of Mosul and out of use since 1948.


At least 11 civilians, nine of them children, were killed in Hilla in
central Iraq yesterday, according to reporters in the town who said they appeared to be the victims of bombing. Reporters from the Reuters news
agency said they counted the bodies of 11 civilians and two Iraqi fighters
in the Babylon suburb, 50 miles south of Baghdad. Nine of the dead were children, one a baby. Hospital workers said as many as 33 civilians were killed. Terrifying film of women and children later emerged after Reuters
and the Associated Press were permitted by the Iraqi authorities to take
their cameras into the town. Their pictures - the first by Western news agencies from the Iraqi side of the battlefront - showed babies cut in half and children with amputation wounds, apparently caused by American
shellfire and cluster bombs. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=393127



U.S. State Department's annual report on human rights conditions worldwide, published Monday: "[Israeli] Security forces killed at least 990
Palestinians and two foreign nationals and injured 4,382 Palestinians and other persons during the year, including innocent bystanders." The report also criticized Israel's liquidation policy and harm done to innocent civilians in the framework of such operations. It said Israeli security
forces had targeted and killed at least 37 Palestinian terror suspects in 2002. http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo= 279523





The United Nations says it has suspended missions in parts of southern Afghanistan after a series of attacks on non-government organisations. http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2623169a12,00.html


Pakistan authorities have arrested a former Afghan mujahideen commander
loyal to renegade warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, intelligence officials say.
Haji Jamil, who hails from southwestern Afghan town of Khost, fought the US-backed war against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in 1980s under Hekmatyar's command. The United States earlier this year declared Hekmatyar
a "terrorist" for
having supported and participated in "terrorist acts" committed by the
Taliban and al Qaeda militants blamed for the September 11, 2001 attacks in
New York and Washington.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2623161a12,00.html


It was the most comprehensive presentation of the US case for war. Powell marshalled what were described as intercepted Iraqi conversations, reconnaissance photos of Iraqi sites, accounts of defectors, and other intelligence sources. Since 1998, he told fellow foreign ministers, "we have amassed much intelligence indicating that Iraq is continuing to make these weapons".
http://tinyurl.com/jmps

Dr Kelly was deliberately "outed" by the department in a deliberate campaign
to rubbish Dr Kelly's reputation ahead of Lord Hutton's investigation. BBC
is preparing to give evidence that the Ministry of Defence's most senior
civil servant circulated an assessment that Dr Kelly was an "eccentric" and
"a bit unreliable" in the days before his death. http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=875112003



Rogue Nation," a new book by former Reagan administration official Clyde Prestowitz, president of the Washington-based Economic Strategy Institute, contains a chapter that dubs the United States "The Unacknowledged
Empire." -- The stirrings among Republicans are still muted. Most in the
GOP -- as well as a large number of Democrats -- support bigger military budgets and see no alternative to a forceful U.S. role abroad. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38891-2003Aug9.html


THE PICTURE emerging of the Bush White House is that of a radical administration so certain of its ideological rightness that it will distort
and manipulate information as needed to soothe moderates and silence critics.And beware of telling truths that stymie administration aims or contradict its spin. That offense can endanger loved ones. This latest and,
to date, most chilling allegation comes from retired ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, whose wife was exposed by conservative columnist Robert Novak as
a CIA operative. Novak says he got his information from senior
administration officials.
[Editorial: The Roanoke Times Newspaper]




This alleged second smear will fuel speculation that Downing Street and the
MoD were engaged in a deliberate campaign to rubbish Dr Kelly's reputation ahead of Lord Hutton's investigation.


In February, the CIA gave a formal briefing to the National Security
Council, including Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Vice President Dick Cheney, and President Bush himself: ''A quick military victory in Iraq
will likely be followed by armed resistance from remnants of the Ba'ath
Party and Fedayeen Saddam irregulars.''
http://tinyurl.com/jkok



British order that requires that all suicide bombers who are detected in the act or survive after the fact be shot and killed without exception seems
to be aimed at ensuring that no such person will be captured and examined
for behavioral conditioning and psychochemical control or interrogated over their recent activities and associations. The decision to issue new
guidance has been prompted by intelligence passed to Britain by the FBI in a secret briefing in late July. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/08/10/nterr10.xml& sSheet=/news/2003/08/10/ixnewstop.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=26285



The occupation's hidden victims - innocent Iraqis --
You can tell from the wedding photo what a beautiful couple they
were--Bushra Said Kaiwan, a lovely Armenian computer programmer and Mazen Nouradin, a handsome Iraqi veterinarian. And they were very happy together. They had two delightful daughters, two and four years old. Mazen had his
own private clinic where he made a decent living--enough to take care of
his family and elderly parents. They lived in a quiet middle class suburb
of Baghdad, kept out of politics and out of trouble. Then came June 28,
2003. The 32-year-old doctor got into his car to go to work, but the car wouldn't start. So he walked out to the main street down the road from his house to hail a taxi. A few minutes later, US soldiers driving by in their tanks pumped eight bullets into Mazen's chest, legs and arms. He lay dead
on the sidewalk.
http://electroniciraq.net/news/1014.shtml


Bush to ruling elites: Give us you tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free and we'll put them in Guantanamo so we can be rid of them secretly, not tied by the rules of evidence and need of a specific
crime to have been committed that your are expected to uphold at home.
William Haynes, the US Defence Department's general counsel, will lead a delegation of US lawyers to meet Lord Goldsmith QC, the Attorney General,
who is leading the negotiations for the Government. http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/story.jsp?story=432526


The CIA, FBI and MI5 are now examining Kelly's connections. Their findings could form part of the British government's inquiry into the background of Kelly's death, which opened last week. The intelligence investigation is believed to have originated in Washington, where it emerged that Kelly had contacts with two companies in the U.S. bio-defense industry. One of the
men he was in touch with was a former Russian defector, Kamovtjan Alibekov. When he arrived in America, he changed his name to Ken Alibek. He is now president of Hadron Advanced Biosystems - a company specializing in
medicines against biological terrorist attacks. Kelly was himself
considering resigning from his senior post at the Ministry of Defense to
work in America. Before his death, he had been discreetly headhunted by two companies. One was Hadron Advanced Biosystems, which has close ties to the Pentagon.
dr_p_doyle@hotmail.com



The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit against the federal government on Wednesday aimed at curbing the vastly expanded spy powers won under the anti terrorism law passed soon after the Sept. 11 attacks The
suit, filed in federal court in Detroit on behalf of six Arab- American
groups, targets a key provision of the USA Patriot Act that gives the FBI
more leeway to conduct domestic surveillance.
[Reuters]


Veterans organize to bring our misused troops home http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=art icle&sid=469


Israel gave the neutron bomb secrets it stole from us to China, now As Dr.
Sam Cohen, acclaimed inventor of the neutron bombdescribes it, we are
literally doomed to lose any war in the current climate as our most likely enemies have hundreds or thousands of neutron bombs in their caches. China
has an estimated 800 of these weapons at their disposal and are building
more as we speak. The "Cox Report" issued by a committee headed by Congressman Christopher Cox highlighted many of the ugly details about our entanglements with China, pointed out this threat and it was clearly
ignored, as was the Cox Report in it's entirety.
[Roger Fredinburg]



It's Really A Joint Israeli-American War On The Arabs And On Muslims...And
One Brought On By The Israeli/Jewish Lobby And Minions In Washington -- It truly is a sorry state of affairs in the US today, especially in Washington, especially in 'establishment' Jewish circles, regardless of whether
hard-line right (Likud) or hypocritical left (Labor/Meretz). -- Indeed,
don't expect the very subject of the extraordinary power and shady workings
of the Israeli/Jewish lobby on network American TV screens or popular
newspaper pages -- there's an informal agreement not to do so, a lot of fear for what happens if one does, and, truth be told, many persons connected
with 'the lobby' are in fact owners and senior editors of the publications
and TV networks who are guilty of such culpable journalistic and historical negligence.
http://www.middleeast.org/mernew.htm




Not withstanding the fact that the former Soviet Union built thousands of
them, but China has an estimated 800 of these weapons at their disposal
and are building more as we speak.



The United States is looking less like a democracy and more like a highly evolved fascist creature. Devoid of the idiosyncrasies and shortcomings of
its progenitors, this form of Fascism has a propaganda machine that is unarguably the most efficient the world has ever seen. The Bush
administration and its primary accomplice, the profit-driven corporate
media, have successfully created an alternative reality that they sell to
the majority of the American public. For example, roughly 85 percent of the world was opposed to the U.S. led invasion of Iraq. Yet the American propaganda machine somehow convinced 60 percent of Americans that a pathetically weak country 7000 miles away was at any minute going to destroy the United States. Here is the fascist twist. In a normally functioning democracy it would seem that even speculation of a preemptive war would
elicit a spectacle of public debate on the implications of such a drastic
shift in policy. However, in the United States internal dissenting voices
were castigated and characterized as being unpatriotic. http://www.mediamonitors.net/girardnewkirk12.html



Poles open probe into Jewish role In massacre of civilians in Poland in
early 1944. A key issue facing Polish researchers will be to determine the degree of autonomy of the Jewish units in the Soviet partisan hierarchy.
The units were incorporated within the Soviet command-and-control chain at
the time,under the direct command of the central partisan command in Moscow, although the Communist security services - notably the NKVD were at least
as "Jewish" as the Rumsfeld "neo-con" Defense Department today. http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.08.08/news3.html







The main players to feature in Lord Hutton's inquiry into the death of Dr
David Kelly are Donald Anderson, Tony Blair, Alastair Campbell, Gavyn
Davies, James Dingemans, Andrew Gilligan, Gavin Hewitt, Geoff Hoon, Lord Hutton, Janice Kelly, Richard Sambrook, Ann Taylor MP, Terence Taylor, Susan Watts. Breakdown of the main players in Hutton inquiry: http://www.news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?id=875262003&tid=911

"We will be discussing our reservations about the military commissions and
the options of the detainees being returned to the UK," said a Foreign
Office spokesman. He dismissed reports that British officials had privately said they did not want detainees flown home for trial because of concerns
that it would be difficult to mount a successful prosecution under English
law.
http://tinyurl.com/jmpm

=======================


The United States has embarked on an imperial adventure in the Middle East. This is the true meaning of the war against Iraq. The war is not about the disarmament of Iraq. That was always a hollow and cynical pretext. No one
with any real knowledge of the situation believed that Iraq, on its knees
from two disastrous wars and from twelve years of punitive sanctions,
presented any sort of 'imminent threat' to anyone. In any event, from the start of last November when UN inspectors returned to Iraq under Security Council Resolution 1441, the Washington hawks wanted the inspectors to fail
and then pressed impatiently for war, just when inspections showed real
signs of progress. Nor is the war only, or even primarily, about toppling Saddam Hussein. Indeed the White House announced that US forces would enter Iraq whether or not the Iraqi
leader resigned and left the country.

The war has bigger aims: it is about the implementation of a vast - and probably demented - strategic plan. Washington is intoxicated by the vision
of imposing a Pax Americana on the Arab world on the model of the imperial 'order' which Britain imposed on the entire region in an
earlier age -- with its Gulf and South Arabian strong points protecting the route to India, its occupation of Egypt in 1882, and then the extension of
its rule after the First World War to some of the Arab provinces of the defeated Ottoman Empire. The result was the creation under British tutelage
of Iraq, Palestine and Transjordan. America's imperial ambitions With bases across the region from Oman to Central Asia, America is now seeking to
recreate the British Empire at its apogee. The occupation of Iraq, a major
Arab country at the strategic heart of the region, will allow the United
States to control the resources of the Middle East and reshape its
geopolitics to its advantage - or so the Anglo-American strategists hope.
But if things go badly, history may well judge the war to be a criminal enterprise - unjustified, unprovoked, illegitimate, catastrophic for the
Iraqi victims of the conflict and destructive of the rules of international relations as they have evolved over the past half century. http://www.middleeast.org/mernew.htm



Indonesia terminates IMF "Rescue" -- The government decided on Monday not to renew the existing International Monetary Fund (IMF) economic bailout
program when it expires at the end of this year, but the IMF is still to monitor the country's economic reform program via a post-program monitoring (PPM) arrangement. http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20020828.B02



Iraqi Braveheart, the true Mahdi, rallys thousands against USZionist terror occupation http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/08/06/wirq06.xml&s Sheet=/news/2003/08/06/ixhome.html


A US Air Force officer in California recently accused President Bush of deliberately allowing the September 11 terror attacks to take place. The officer has been relieved of his command and faces further discipline. The controversy surrounding Lt. Col. Steve Butler's letter to the editor, in
which he affirmed that Bush did nothing to warn the American people because
he "needed this war on terrorism," received scant coverage in the media.
[Jerry Isaacs]
http://www.voxfux.com/features/officer_slams_bush.html


I had cautiously been told about a top secret US mission known as "Black
Cat."- This, I was told, involved a "black" US B52 bomber launching from
Offut AFB in Nebraksa, and flying a round-trip to the Persian Gulf The hulking bomber carried one bomb packed with VX nerve agent, the most potent chemical weapon in the US CW armoury. The bomb was dropped on elements of
the Republican Guard in Southern Iraq, I was informed. Heavy casualties apparently resulted.- The operation, directed by the Central Intelligence Agency, was a counter-strike,
following an Iraqi Scud that fell on Israel.- The missile had contained
Sarin and drove the Israeli government almost apoplectic with rage.- Fuming, the Israeli's had readied to detonate a nuclear warhead high above Baghdad.- Only the swift intervention of President George Bush forestalled what
would have been a cataclysmic move destined to unravel the carefully
wrought Arab backed Coalition lined-up against Iraqi dictator Saddam
Hussein.
http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/


Iraq Arms Critic Reacts to Report on Wife --Joseph C. Wilson IV, a retired ambassador who was a secret envoy of the Bush administration to Africa and
who publicly voiced doubts about a reported Iraqi weapons program, says he
has become a target of a campaign to discourage others like him from going public. In the prewar effort to uncover information about weapons in Iraq,
Mr. Wilson made a fact-finding trip to Niger in February 2002 at the request
of the Central Intelligence Agency. His findings challenged contentions in
an unsubstantiated document that Iraq was trying to obtain nuclear-weapons material from the West African country. But it was not until after Mr.
Wilson made his account public last month in an op-ed article in The New
York Times, to the intense discomfort of President Bush's aides, that the
White House acknowledged that it had erred in including the disputed accusations in Mr. Bush's State of the Union address in January. Days after the column, another chapter opened. Mr. Wilson's wife was identified by name
as a covert C.I.A. operative in a column by the conservative columnist
Robert Novak, a disclosure that Mr. Novak has attributed to senior administration officials. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/08/national/08WEAP.html


Certain Jewish figures and organizations are deliberately
acting to cause a crisis between Israel and the White House in an effort
to prevent the implementation of the road map, the president of the
World Jewish Congress (WJC), Edgar Bronfman, told Haaretz yesterday. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=326444&contrassID=2&su bContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y





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More 9/11 discussion:

Dick,

This latest e-mail of yours
is too rambling; not worth reading.

There is a lot of evidence, moreover,
that the PHONE CALLS from the planes
were fake and that there were NO TERRORISTS
on board(none on the official flight lists).

If you don't know this, ask me.
I think you know quite well.

More and more evidence is emerging
that the 9-11 attack was a complete
fake, hence the TOTAL SECRECY
surrounding every aspect of
the investigation. The so-called
official government report-summary,
heavily censored, only amounts
to conclusions, no interesting
details or leads. Precisely.
It's all a smoke screen.

M---------

I agree.

I have not been looking at what other investigators are doing. Ron Winn is
the only one who sends me his thinking. Gerard Holmgren and I have fallen
out over my last criticism of his friend Jared Israel and "agent" Fescado. Four or five good investigators, especially Levi and Haupt, are
occasionally sharing things, but I don't spend a lot of time looking at
their lines of investigation, being preoccupied and satisfied that I have
proof sufficient in the case I have built and that I am constantly
elaborating and corroborating.

I have always sought a scientific community that would look at each others research and test each others hypotheses independently etc. but real people
do not seem inclined to work that way. I think the hecklers(mostly coverup spooks and ADL) I attract, and the freeze out I get from Ruppert and Rense, and my attacks on popular John Judge, Rivero, and Vialls have kept many who otherwise would from publicly associating themselves with my findings.

I recommend that you start your own yahoogroup and put everything you are finding in one place so I can direct readers to this important information
that I have been neglecting.


911NoTerroristsHijackers@yahoogroups.com

911TotalScam@yahoogroups.com

or something like that.

Dick

=================

From: "hrossthjof" <hrossthjof@yahoo.com>
To: <frameup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:18 AM
Subject: [frameup] Re: 9/11 Hijacking & Military Response Chart

In frameup@yahoogroups.com, "killtown" <killtown@y...> wrote:

New page listing the times of all hijacked planes, FAA alerts, NORAD
scramble orders, etc. in a simple easy to read chart.

Brief summary:

Minutes elapsed when officials knew planes were hijacked or when
they veered off course until they crashed...

Flight 11 - 34 minutes

Flight 175 - 21 minutes

Flight 77 - 51 minutes

Flight 93 - 50 minutes

http://www.geocities.com/killtown/chart.html

these facts alone tell us that NORAD was complicit in the 911 attacks
since we saw from the payne stewart incident that jets were expected
to be scrambled and pace the errant planes.

only someone very high up could order this STANDARD PROTOCOL to be
dismissed- especially after the first plane hit the tower- jets should
have been tracking flight 93 and flight 77-

clearly one was, since flight 93 was SHOT DOWN OVER PA.!

but it was not a military jet...

Val Smith

===============

Plan to resist the war and treason by millions not filing income tax is ill-advised and could be highly disruptive of federal government Rather
the states should convene in continental congress, determine that the
federal government corporation has failed to deliver on legislating, judging and administering a governemnt according to the US Constitution compact, and
so discharge the usurping criminal band and convene a new confederating
entity that will carry through on its contractual obligations.
============

Boom for the merchants of death, Bust for us

by Dick Eastman


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Did I ever tell you that I taught microeconomics, macroeconomics, money and banking, labor economics, and current issues at a four-year college in washington state in the 90's? During those years I made a basic discovery that it is once again time to put out on the internet.

It is wrong to say that GDP (the retail value of everything made and sold or added to inventory that year and services (repairing, brokering, cutting
hair etc.) is a measure in any sense of the well being or standard of life
of the nation.

I would disprove the value of GDP as an indicator of social well being with this reducto ad absurdum thought demonstration.

Suppose, on the first day of the year everyone but Congress and the
President could died of pneumonia, and suppose Congress then authorized and
the President wrote the check or a company in Mexico to come in, and bury
all the bodies in the Grand Canyon, and say that the check written as for $6 trillion dollars and that the Mexicans finished the work in one year. Then, according to national income accounting, the GDP would be $6 trillion and of course, that means we'd be doing fine.

Every year the people make an economic pie of goods and serivces. The
standard of life, the quality of the culture, depends on what particular
goods and services go into that pie. Some goods benefit us now. Some goods add to our producivity in the future. Some "goods" serve our lusts and actually destroy us. Some are nothing but the engines of wholesale death.

Since September 11 the master bakers in washingon have been putting a lot
of death into the pie -- because they get first priority on buying with tax money or with increased national debt etc.

And the fact is that the producers of death are very happy right now because they are getting a lot of money thrown at them -- the same way the Mexicans
in my ad absurdum got money to bury us all in the Grand Canyon -- to
bankroll a lot of killing. It was only a few months before the famous (although somewhat cooked) "Surplus" was gone and big time national debt-financing took over. Remember, lending money to government is one of those service industries that have been doing so well, pulling up the
average somewhat more than the burger flippers and telemarketers have done,
as you may well suspect.

But if so much of the economic pie is death products that leaves thinner slices of really good "goods" to pass around. But that is only half of the
bad deal. There is less economic pie of true "good goods" -- but
remember, the economy is not a church picnic where everyone gets an equal
size piece -- rather it is the amount of money in your pocket that
determines how big a slice you will get -- and who is getting the income
flow of money? The producers of death of course. They are getting rich because although the amount of pie containing really good goods has
diminished, being crowded out by death production, those being paid top
dollar from Uncle Sams purse of our taxes and more national debt are still able to afford bigger pieces from a smaller good-goods pie than before.

In short we are making a lot more death products than life products and more
of the life products that are made are going to the producers of death
rather than the common people who are only interested in better life and the opportunity to create it.

I always have this reality in the back of my mind. It puts in context the equally horrendous reality that the merchants of death were the ones who did 9-11.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.
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9-11 mass-murders were a false-flag black operation conducted by the CIA,
MI6, Mossad, corporations, investmetn banks, and the top leadership in the
Bush Administration and the Blair and Sharon governments.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/ http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC.htm
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart/index.html
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm

http://earth-citizens.net
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/ http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm

http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html
http://www.the-movement.com
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/messenger.html

http://www.truthout.org http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/temoins_en.htm http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com

http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/

http://www.911timeline.net/
http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm

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Weather Warfare Against Old Europe
The Unrecognized Weapon: Clandestine Weather Modification to learn more about the indirect methods of devestating secretly waged weather-weapon
war that the trillionaires and their servitors Richard Perle, Paul
Wolfowitz, Henry Kissinger etc. are waging right now against "Old Europe" to bring them to their knees.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weather_ops/message/1


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With the downfall of Baghdad and ensuing U.S. occupation, markets for arms, prostitution and drugs have come out of the dark with the involvement of children.
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-08/11/article01.shtml


Noam Chomsky: Preventive War 'the Supreme Crime' Iraq: invasion that will
live in infamy http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=40&ItemID=4030


The new contingent of Spanish troops being sent to Iraq are wearing the Cruz
de Santiago de Compostela (Cross of St. James of Compostela) on their arm badgeThe triangular top and arrow-like arms of the cross have become a
symbol of the liquidation of the Muslims who were finally driven out of
Spain after 800 years of fighting by the reconquest in 1492. This was also
the start of the period of colonialist expansion by Spain's Catholic
monarchy. The soldiers are the first batch of 1,300 combat troops that the Spanish government is sending to Iraq to join the international occupation force patrolling the Al Qadisija and An Najaf areas, whose population is overwhelmingly Shiite. They are joining a force of 900 Spanish soldiers
already in Iraq and which, due to anti-war feeling in Spain, were supposedly sent strictly for humanitarian purposes. The 2,000-strong brigade of which
they will form part, made up of Spanish and Latin American soldiers, will
wear the cross on the arm of their uniforms. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/aug2003/spai-a12.shtml


Iraqi exiles recruited by the Pentagon to help rebuild their homeland are pressing for a bigger role in reconstruction, saying they have been
sidelined by Americans who view them as foot soldiers, not partners. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/11/1060588320240.html


What would you say to escape Guantanamo? -- Yesterday, quoting unnamed US officials, The Wall Street Journal said the two Britons were expected to confess to war crimes, denounce terrorism and assist investigators in
exchange for a firm release date. Officials told the newspaper that they
hoped the deal would show that the tribunals could be used to gain
co-operation from prisoners. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=432887


The promise of oil revenues which US officials had counted on as an
essential component of their plan to rebuild Iraq has not materialized, and
it is beginning to look like it won't for at least two or three more years
at best, even if continuing sabotage can be foiled. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH12Ak02.html


A retired schoolteacher who went to Iraq to serve as a "human shield"
against the U.S. invasion is facing thousands of dollars in U.S. government fines, which she is refusing to pay. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0811-08.htm


You might think that reading about a Podunk University's English teacher's attempt to connect the dots between the poverty of American education and
the gullibility of the American public may be a little trivial, considering we've embarked on the first, openly-confessed imperial adventure of
senescent capitalism in the US, but bear with me. The question my
experiences in the classroom raise is why have these young people been
educated to such abysmal depths of ignorance. "I don't read," says a junior without the slightest self-consciousness. http://www.marchforjustice.com/awarenessforum.php


A specter of the Iran-Contra affair is haunting Washington. Even some of
the people and countries are the same. And the methods - particularly the pursuit by a network of well-placed individuals of a covert, parallel
foreign policy that is at odds with official policy - are definitely the
same.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH12Ak03.html



British Gurkha mercenary shot dead and British soldiers face wrath of Iraqis
as hatred festers on streets of Basra. Use of Gurkha mercenaries who kill without blinking and hold all hold life very cheap shows true nature of
British occupation. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=432843


Downing Street's Iraq weapons dossier caused such deep concern among senior intelligence officers that they formally complained to their superiors, the Hutton inquiry into the death of David Kelly heard yesterday. http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=432872




Hutton Inquiry into Kelly death at once resembles the US 9-11 National Commission. ON THE evidence of its first day there seems to be no chance
that the Hutton
inquiry will dare to ask the right questions. But what other recourse
exists?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7813-775160,00.html


Each dead scientist had a "piece of the puzzle" in regard to a "target specific" bio-weapon. Was SARS developed in China, or Israel based on their compartmentalized contributions? Two American scientists had been engaged
in DNA sequencing that could provide "a genetic marker based on genetic profiling" needed for weaponized pathogens to hit selected groups of humans" http://www.rense.com/general40/dead.htm


Communist protestors -- "unemployment activists" -- in Iraq arrested http://www.wpiraq.org/english


Battle between Likud and the CFR for the minds of the American Jews http://members.tripod.com/~VaAm/Jul2398.html


US Army Col David Hackworth (Ret) critical of Rumsfeld http://www.hackworth.com/


A historian credited with predicting the downfall of the Soviet Union in the 1970s now says that the US has been on its way out for the last decade http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4381.htm


Rice Explains Why You Should Support the Occupation http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/rice.html


In the early primary polls, leading up to the 2004 presidential election,
Iowa, New Hampshire and California surveys have "Hawk" Joseph Lieberman
running very poorly.
http://www.mediamonitors.net/index.html


Did Condoleeza Rice Warn Willie Brown Not To Fly on Week of 9-11-01? http://www.sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/1634286.php


'Bring us home': GIs flood US with war-weary emails http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1015711,00.html



Bush's 9-11 Secrets
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081203A.shtml

Shortages Ignite Violence In Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081203B.shtml

Officials Warn of Turmoil on Election Night http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081203C.shtml

Support the troops: Send them home
http://www.unknownnews.net/a080311lf.html


Under Ashcroft, Justice Is Blind and Handcuffed http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081203D.shtml

Jim Lobe | Iran-Contra, Amplified
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081203E.shtml

Jimmy Breslin | Limited War In Iraq Is Illusion http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081203F.shtml

A Debate Over U.S. 'Empire' Builds in Unexpected Circles http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081203G.shtml


Diplomatic relations between the Bush Administration and China can best
be described as frosty. I'm sure you recall the EP-3 spy plane fiasco
off China's Hainan Island. That EP-3 plane intentionally flew from an
Airbase in Japan instead of using other US Navy Aircraft Carrier spy
planes. According to noted East Asia expert Chalmers Johnson, the
intention is to play Japan and India against China. I'm not sure that
the EP-3 collision with the J-8 fighter jet was really an accident.
However, the Japanese are smart enough not to fall into Washington's
trap and quickly dis-associated themselves by denying any participation
with the EP-3 spy plane flight. Washington has been attempting a divide
and conquer strategy by fomenting divisions between East Asian nations.

Perhaps the Bush Administration should be more relaxed given the huge
potential market of China, but the Bush Administration is primarily composed
of rightwing ideologues closely associated with the Zionist settler movement
in Israel. Several years ago, Paul Wolfowitz and other current
administration insiders composed a document entitled "A Project for a New American Century (PNAC)". In the document, they called for the establishment
of absolute global hegemony utilizing unilateral American military power.
The overthrow of Iraq was to be followed by Iran, Syria, Saudia Arabia,
Egypt, Libya, Cuba, North Korea and eventually China. As a matter of public record, Paul Wolfowitz refers to China as "Nazi Germany". The Zionist
movement can be best described as ultra-nationalist fascism. In the Middle East, PNAC proposes that the United States and Israel jointly share hegemony over Middle East oil reserves. Assuming Bush's relection, Iran is the next nation scheduled for regime change according to my friends in Washington. - Dave C.



But if you understand what neoconservatism is-a brand of liberalism that
likes to masquerade as a phony conservatism, mainly so it can wheedle
influence in the Republican Party-the puzzle is solved. What's especially interesting about the neo con onslaught against Miss Coulter is that it's virtually indistinguishable from the liberal one. Nevertheless, if she's seriously arguing that liberalism is inherently prone to treason, she's
right. Decades ago Whittaker Chambers expressed much the same insight, one that explains why liberals of his time were so cuddly with Alger Hiss and almost as mean to Chambers as neo-conservatives today are toward Miss
Coulter. Perceiving that Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal "was only superficially a reform movement" and really "was a genuine revolution, whose deepest purpose was not simply reform within existing traditions, but a
basic change in the social, and, above all, the power relationships within
the nation," Chambers also grasped that both the liberals who pushed the New Deal revolution and the communists who piggybacked on it shared a common
goal, even if they differed on methods. "At the basic point of the revolution," he wrote, "the two kinds of revolutionists were at one; and
they shared many other views and hopes. For men who could not see that what they firmly believed was liberalism added up to socialism could scarcely be expected to see what added up to Communism." http://www.vdare.com/francis/coulterkampf.htm



The Fraud of Neoconservative "Anti-Communism", by Max Shpak, May 15,
2002:

{quote} Stalin's purges of many of his former Bolshevik colleagues
(including Trotsky, who was assassinated while in exile), his 1939 pact with Hitler, and rumors of Stalin's own anti-Jewish prejudices gave many would-be supporters pause. When Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, it became clear the Russian masses would not fight for the sake of Bolshevism, an ideology that brought them so much misery, but rather for the sake of Russian blood and
soil. From then on, the Soviet leadership had to court the very Russian nationalist elements that the early Bolsheviks had worked so hard to stamp
out. This lead to an increasing tolerance towards the Russian Orthodox
Church and a decreased Jewish presence in the Soviet politburo and KGB.
Thus, the USSR was "betraying" the very elements that made it attractive to
the Jewish establishment to begin with.
Perhaps even more significant a factor in the origins of neoconservatism was the emergence of an independent Israeli state. While
many Jewish Marxists eagerly supported the Zionist state, the more intellectually consistent Left opposed Zionism on the grounds that all nationalisms, including Jewish ones, are enemies of global proletarian revolution. Thus, Jewish leftists who once advocated internationalism for gentile nations were forced to come to terms with the implications of this ideology for their own nationalist sentiments. Thus, they needed an ideology which would let them have their cake (opposing gentile nationalism) and eat
it too (by supporting Israel), and they found just such a worldview with neoconservatism. ... http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/cia-infiltrating-left.html
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/toolkit3.html



Techies, Politics Now Click
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081203H.shtml

Soldiers Emails | Bring Us Home
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081103A.shtml

Family Shot Dead by Panicking US Troops http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081103B.shtml

When it was reported that the attempted sale of uranium from Niger to Iraq, which found its way in a shortened version into the President's State of the Union speech, was a forgery, the question immediately arose in my mind: who
had done the forging? In all civilized societies forgery is a crime, and
when committed by a private person leads to jail sentences of varying durations. Afficionados of mystery stories also know that crimes are solved
by considering three factors: Motive, Means, and Opportunity. Remarkably
enough the question of who forged the documents, to the best of my
knowledge, never been raised in our country by the media. http://www.globe-intel.net/


Basra Protests Continue for Second Day http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081103C.shtml

Terror Group Seen as Back Inside Iraq http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081103D.shtml

Powell's Battle Cry Fails Test of Time http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081103E.shtml

Depiction of Threat Outgrew Supporting Evidence http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081103F.shtml

Pentagon Office Home to Neo-Con Network http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081103G.shtml

Protest Groups Planning for Republican Convention http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081103H.shtml

The Niger Time Bomb
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081103I.shtml

Tongue-tied Arnie Takes Hits From Left and Right http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081103J.shtml

https://www.truthout.org/membership/sub_mgmt.php
http://www.truthout.org

William Rivers Pitt | We Stand Our Ground http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081003A.shtml

Pentagon Officials Met With Discredited Iran/Contra Arms Figure http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081003B.shtml

US Troops Wounded in Iraq, Attacked in Afghanistan http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081003C.shtml

Banks Hid Billions to Aviod Taxes
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081003D.shtml

Belva Ann Prycel | Impeachable Offenses http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081003E.shtml

Pentagon Plans War in North Korea
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081003F.shtml

Britain's Iraq Inquiry to Keep Heat on Blair http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081003G.shtml

Le Monde | Beaten Women
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081003H.shtml

Iraq Mobile Labs Another Red Herring http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081003I.shtml

Who Exposed the Whistleblowers Wife? http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081003J.shtml


Bechtel Accuses Halliburton of Iraqi Oil Monopoly http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080903A.shtml

U.S. Soldier Killed in Iraq and Embassy Death Toll Rises http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080903B.shtml

Bush Team Kept Airing Iraq Allegation http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080903C.shtml

Congressman Henry Waxman | Bush Misuses Science http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080903D.shtml

Iraq Arms Critic Reacts to Report on Wife http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080903E.shtml


Washington Pushes the Nuclear Taboo http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080903I.shtml


High Ranking Pentagon Official Turns Whistle Blower http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080803B.shtml

Immunity for Iraqi Oil Dealings Raises Alarm http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080803C.shtml

Bomb Kills 7 at Jordan's Baghdad Embassy http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080803D.shtml

'Dr Strangeloves' Meet to Plan New Nuclear Era http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080803E.shtml

Ashcroft Accused of Blacklisting Judges http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080803F.shtml

Bob Herbert| Despair of the Jobless http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080803G.shtml

Bert Sacks | Sanctions in Iraq Hurt the Innocent http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080803H.shtml

Robert Kuttner| The Fruits of Bushonomics http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080803I.shtml


William Rivers Pitt | The Road Diary, Part I http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080703A.shtml

Rumsfeld Cautious on Increasing Size of U.S. Military http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080703B.shtml

Maureen Dowd | Neocon Coup at the Department d'+tat http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080703C.shtml

US Soldier Dies in Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080703D.shtml

Patriot Act Faces New Challenge In Court http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080703E.shtml

Ray McGovern | Intelligence Shouldn't Exist Just to Serve Policy http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080703F.shtml

Voice of Free Iraq Walks Out on US http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080703G.shtml

Hiroshima Mayor Lashes Bush on Atomic Bomb Anniversary http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080703H.shtml

The Senegalese Chicken is Debated at the WTO http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080703I.shtml

Argentina Didn't Fall on Its Own
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080703J.shtml



PFC Isaac Kindblade | 'We Don't Feel Like Heroes Anymore' http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080603A.shtml

US Officials Confirm Dropping Firebombs on Iraqi Troops http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080603B.shtml

14 Killed in Jakarta Hotel Blast
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080603C.shtml

Eric Margolis | U.S. Wants Saddam, But Dead Not Alive http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080603D.shtml

U.S. Civilian Contractor Killed in Iraq http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080603E.shtml

Nicholas D. Kristof | Blood on Our Hands? http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080603F.shtml

Labor Backs Davis, Urging Democrats Not to Run in Recall http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080603G.shtml

Paul Krugman | Everything Is Political http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080603H.shtml

Organized Crime in the Administration did 9-11

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart/index.html
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm

http://earth-citizens.net
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/ http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html
http://www.the-movement.com

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DONALD RUMSFELD, HEAD OF US JEWISH MAFIA, ANSWERS QUESTION ABOUT AFGHANISTAN OPIUM PRODUCTION


This is how the man who allied himself with the Norther Alliance opium druglords to overthrow the anti-drug Taliban responds to a question about astronomical rise in opium production in Afghanistan following the overthrow
of the legitimate Afghanistan government of Mullah Mohammed Omar, which had successfully erradicated opium from all Afganistan lands not controlled by
the China-backed Northern Alliance drug lords.

Remember that the opium is sent over the old silk road, at "the top of the world," into China, where the peoples liberation army, controlled by the
Triad princelings, processs it into Chinese heroin which is sold around the world where it nets revenues of $2 trillion. This money is then laundered
into Wall Street, City of London, Shanghai, Hong Kong investment banks
(called "merchant banks" in some of these countries) where it is then
invested in huge penny-labor factories in China -- that puts all middle
class businesses around the world out of business.

I cannot impress on you how much of a motive this was for the Zionist Mafia
in the Bush Administration to plan and execute the mass-murder false-flag frameup of September 11, 2001.

I should add that at one point commanders in the field were seeking to
destroy opium fields of the Northern Alliance, but were stopped by superiors who insisted that this was not the mission of the American Forces.

Also, below Rumsfeld brushes off the problem of cheap opium and heroin
because most of the product, he says, goes to Europe and Russia. But
Rumsfeld must know that there is not industry more entrepreneurial than a
black market industry, that opium and heroin supply will seek the best
prices -- which could be here. [And of course all people should be
concerned about the drug trade around the world -- every man is responsible
to every other man -- excpet men of Donald Rumsfeld's mindset.] And if the supply is increased in one area, prices will go down in all areas (due to arbitrage) -- and heroin and its derivatives will be cheaper and more
plentiful on our streets too.

We see the criminals rationalization in Rumsfeld, with the dishonest dodge
that the heroin is not coming to the US -- when in fact it is.

And notice too that Rumsfeld sounds exactly like Janet Reno when he says
that drugs are exclusively a "demand" problem!!!! That means that he is not
at all in favor of fighting the drug trade, not really!!!! And, despite whatever you have heard, drugs are 10 million times the threat that Moslem Fundamentalism ever was.

Rumsfeld is a mass-murderer and a prince of the Jewish Mafia.

I am happy to give my life in writing this to you for just the hope that
him and all his gang (Wolfowitz, Perle etc.) may one day be nailed by the uprising of informed people hungry for justice and to be set free from their current enslavement.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man. =======================================

Q:
Thank you. My question concerns itself with the opium production in Afghanistan. It's been reported that it's higher than it was before
coalition forces entered Afghanistan a couple of years ago. And as a
result, the price of heroin is dropping around the world. I was wondering
if you could relate to us what the coalition is going to do, and will do in
the future to eradicate this dangerous drug from Afghanistan?


Rumsfeld:



It's an important question. The opium production in Afghanistan has gone up and down over the years, and you're right, it currently is up from, I guess, three years ago or so. And your question is what's the coalition going to
do about it? The United States has offered to help the U.K. As you know,
the bulk of the Afghanistan materials go into Europe and Russia, as opposed
to the United States. The U.K. has kind of taken the lead, because they
have had the greatest concern about it.



And you ask what we're going to do, and the answer is, I don't really know. I think it's an awfully tough problem.



I -- my impression is that in a very real sense it's a demand problem. It's a problem that there are a lot of people who want it, a lot of people
with money who will pay for it, a lot of people who steal from others to pay for it, and that you can squeeze it down in one country to zero and you
don't change at all at the amount of the product that ends up in Europe or
the United States, because it's demand that determines how much is going to
get in there. You push it down in one country, and it goes up in another country. You push it down in four countries, and the price goes up because there's a shortage, and the higher the price, the greater the willingness of people to take risk, the greatest -- greater the willingness of people to
buy the kinds of things they need to hide what they're doing and to protect them as they transport these materials. And it is a -- it's a vicious
cycle.



So I know that the Karzai government's concerned about it. I know the United States government and the other coalition partners are. And I know they've tried various eradication methods, and they've tried to buy crops. They've tried to buy people out from planting crops. And what they find is that the value is high. Therefore, what you have to pay is high, and
sometimes people don't stay bought, if you will. You can pay them, and you turn around, and you find that unless you've got some sort of a massive monitoring system, that they -- they're doing it somewhere else, in a neighboring plot. And it is a whale of a tough problem.



And I -- I'm afraid that the ultimate solution for that is going to be
on the part of -- is going to be probably found by attacking it in all directions, not just the supply side, but the education and the demand side
as well. I wish I had a quicker, better, easier answer, because it's a
vicious problem.""


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US soldiers in Iraq are Illegal Combatants -- you knew that already didn't you?
-----------------
def. Mafia (noun): 1 a secret criminal society 2 Zionism for Italians -----------------

Now to business:


Clerics from across the Muslim sectarian divide blasted the U.S. occupation
of Iraq in Friday prayers as guerrilla hit-and-run attacks in the center of
the country inflicted more American casualties.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3284492&src=eD ialog/GetContent&section=news


Newly disclosed seismographic evidence that the WTC was demolished with
heavy explosives. http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic_.html


9-11 summary
http://www.lrpworldnews.com/commentary/template.php?page=kaminski5


Western vice - Iraq's new tyrant. Now sex and drugs are freely available
on the street.
http://tinyurl.com/k3lu


Troops in Iraq face pay cut --Pentagon says tough-duty bonuses are budget-buster given other priorities http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/08/14/MN94780.DTL


The law that provided for special counsels has expired. President Bush's fellow Republicans control both houses of
Congress. The General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress,
has stepped back from challenging the White House after losing a court case that sought to open the records of Vice President Cheney's energy task
force. The result: The White House is better able to control information and prevent a nagging controversy from becoming a full-blown crisis. It's harder for Democrats to demand answers and easier for administration officials to dismiss their charges as political posturing. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-08-12-special-interest-law_x.ht
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The Transportation Security Administration is conducting a "witch hunt" to ferret out and discipline employees in
the federal air marshal program who have talked to the media, several
sources within the program told MSNBC.com. Shortly after MSNBC.com reported that TSA was pulling air marshals from flights, based on information
provided by sources within the air marshal program, an "investigative witch hunt was started," one air marshal who requested anonymity told
MSNBC.comSome air marshals are even being threatened with having the USA Patriot Act, a law enacted to help fight terrorism, used against them. ...
A DEPARTMENT Of Homeland Security spokesman did acknowledge that an investigation is under way surrounding the circumstances involving a
decision to pull air marshals from high risk flights in an attempt to save money at the cash strapped TSA ..
http://www.msnbc.com/news/950176.asp


Nobody can deny the "wisdom" of the US elites. When the peoples of the earth were creating the International Criminal Court in Rome, in 1998, the US Government told them that (being rabble) they can do whatever they wish, but the US (being the Lord's chosen people) will have nothing to do with this
kind of troublesome institution. So, when the Athens Bar Association on
Monday July 28, 2003, filed a suit at the International Criminal Court at
the Hague against Prime Minister Tony Blair and other senior British
government and military officials for crimes against humanity, etc, during
the invasion of Iraq by the US, the leader of the invaders, Bush the Second (and Blair's keeper), remained "untouchable" by the suit of the Greek
lawyers.
http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2003-08/13raptis.cfm


Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) is working fast to revise Senate
Rule 22, permitting full freedom of discussion (and the filibustering power)
to every Senator, a move being made to ensure that GW Bush will name and
seat four new Suprem Court Members to his Homeland-Security-Patriot-Acts-One-and-Two liking when jurists retire under
a Presidency that will ensure continuity of conservative leadership on the bench. A political power grab by Republicans that ranks in significance
with the Homeland Security and Patriot Acts themselves. Sen. Frist's resolu tion lowers the threshold required to break a filibuster on executive nominations, from the current 3/5th supermajority of 60 votes on the first cloture motion, to a simple 51 vote simple majority after four cloture
motions are received from the floor. Under these rules Miguel Estrada and Priscilla Owen would both have been confirmed. Of the move Gary Bauer, a spokesman for the holyland-crusading "christian right" says Senate
Democrats will no doubt scream and holler about how Republicans are trashing the 'rights of the minority,' and Robert Byrd will pontificate endlessly
about the prestige and traditions of the Senate being torn asunder." How
sad that the first part is true -- now the billioniares need own 9 fewer Senators to control the chamber for their own agenda. Do you see know why
we most go back to the pre-1913 system of having state legislatures pick our Senators? Do not underestimate the seriousness of this component of the
9/11 Junto's takeover dictatorial takeover of this country. (Note: Do you realize that many Republicans back these horrible measures, merely because
they think they are protecting the US from another Presidency like Clinton's
in the future -- the sonofabitch Democrats created the hysterical mindset of Republicans that organized crime in the White House is today exploiting for their own ends. Was that the plan all along?)

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def. Mafia (noun): 1 a secret criminal society 2 Zionism for Italians

I want your feedback on a recent proposal(of mine) that I
shared with him, about the powers-that-be.

The recent black-out illustrates the kind of contingency plans
THEY must have in place, and likewise OUR need for sophisticated
contingency plans (on a par with theirs).

Then you suspect that the power outages may be a kind of distraction and disruption of an internet that is too "hot on their trail?" So do I.

THEY can threaten or
even initiate a nuclear war.
THEY can shut down power grids.
THEY can shut down the internet.
THEY can shut down financial
markets and send people into
a panic(of poverty and food-riots).
THEY can initiate class-action
lawsuits.
THEY can pretend to initiate
an impeachment and delay the process.
ETC ETC
They could and would do such
things to avoid being caught
at their dirty work.

Quite true and in need of being said. They also can inflict these things on
us with no cost or harm to themselves.

Therefore, I say, WE must have
contingency plans that avoid
our becoming sidetracked,
co-opted, compromised
or stalled.

We need a clear, simple mission,
with contingency plans.

I propose:

NON-VIOLENT REDUNDANT-CONTINGENCY
PLANS & TACTICS for a second
American Revolution.

This name fits my tacit plan in the present contingency -- for a
"refresher and upgrade" to the revolution of 1776, the revolution of Jefferson, Madison etc.

The acronym goes as follows:
NeVeR CoP ouT - for short.
(Note the first letter of
each word above.)

NCO?

Mission: To non-violently unseat
our totally corrupt government,
whose members perpetrated
(and/or passively yielded to)
the 9-11 attacks, and to
save the noble principles
of our constitution and
of our God-fearing society.

We have the notion of the general strike. We have the syatagraha (sp?) procedures/principles of Mohandas K. Gandhi -- non-cooperation and the defiant and strong but non-violent non-retaliatory "no" resistance without
hate or coercion.

It would certianly be criminal of me to suggest a universal don't pay your income tax scheme and so I won't -- no matter how immediately effective and popular that measure would be in shutting down the federal government (which really provdes us with nothing but trouble if you think about it) and
removing the critical glue that holds it all together -- just too awful to think about -- what a horrible idea -- I hate it -- tsk tsk

But they could undercut us all by removing our life support systems --
cutting the hose on an economy of total dependence on their money systems
and communications systems etc. I am strongly suspect they (i.e., EMA
which is not what it claims to be) have studied how we would respond during
the Y2K "experiment" and have counter-counter measures ready to fine tune
the choke points etc.)

For the above reason (extreme assymetrical vulnerability) -- I keep on attempting to get to the leadership by winning away the hearts and minds of everyone around them. I post to conservative newsgroups, republican newsgroups, many many political newsgroups where "their kind", not just
"out kind" read and exchange ideas -- and from time to time I really make breakthroughs and see the discussants in a thread, and sometimes an entire newsgroup undergo a shift in the balance of opinion to "our side." I even
see a lot of agreement in the primary critique (i.e., there are people who
are coming to agree with me who were formally silent or non-committal, while those in strong opposition I am seeing quit and disappear from the ng thread where we have debated (they have heckled) for months on end.

Trying swallowing that.
(No-one can account for taste.)

Good idea. But I see it as something to do now, not later when they cut the air hose.

One important contingency
is that our civilization
might be OVER.

Yes, a death begun in the 19th centruy and now a dissolution that is
totally complete.
What we are talking about is liberalism in the classical sense (not the corruption of the term and concept that dates from the Progressives and
FDR's New Deal etc.)

It is liberalism, and not democracy, that I work for. Democracy is always
the ticket to rule by a demagogue or a packaged virtual-reality platform concocted by the propagandists and advertizing men of a clandestine aristocracy.

One priority is that
every American, of every
persuasion should be
thinking about
immediate impeachment
of the entire
executive branch.

Yes -- I call for that -- it puts things in starkest terms -- it undercuts
the patriot's often dysfuctional penchant for loyalty to a corrupt
government as in "my country, right or wrong" -- instead of "my country because it is right and because we are dedicated to never rest until it is
put right when it goes wrong" which is harder to say but gets better
results all around.

Another priority is
getting a simple expose
to the masses on
the overwhelming
evidence of
government-guilt
surrounding 9-11.

No argument there.

Another priority is:
what to do when the
next 9-11 happens -
again perpetrated
by the government?

Yes, merely building the knowledge of the truth of 9/11 in some and the suspicion in those we can't fully persuade wets the powder, deprives them
of the kick, from another mass-murder frameup.

Masses of people may
go into panic and
act irrationally...

When 9-11 hit -- who had thoughts ready that fit the situation -- now we have been observing and thinking -- people will watch the next event with
much more critical eye -- they will be alert to signs of staging , of "wag
the dog" -- the real question is, will the peoples' scepticism and disbelief make any difference?

Patriot Act 2...
War on the entire
Middle East...
against the
entire Muslim
world...etc

They already think they have bought themselves that with the last one.

The next "9-11" will be perpetrated with the express purpose of proving that you and I are organized and that we did whatever it will be -- so they can shut us down and come after us -- "friends of terrorists" "liberals" "extremists" "America haters" "traitors" "pacifists" and yes, "anarchists" "leftists" and even "Illegal Combatant's In Information Warfare" (Don't worry, I am sure they have already thought of it and don't need me to suggest it.)

Perhaps something related to the internet -- to both silence our
communication while coming after us.

But even as I write this it seems unlikely. They can't find enough
"yes-men" in America today to do that kind of errand.

Which brings me to what I have long thought was their ace up the sleeve -- their allies the leadership of China (criminal Triads, now CHina's ruling establishment) -- and their other powerful partners the Russian mafia
(for want of a better word) who can create an external threat that will require the taking of our remaining freedoms.

Yes, this is the most likely.

Be ready for that one.

Dick Eastman

--"John Doe"

August marks another anniversary of the atomic bombing of Japan, the
ultimate act of terrorism in which 231,920 people have now died, the latest, the children of 1945, from a plague of cancers.
http://www.johnpilger.com/print


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"noobie" <notreal@notreal.com> wrote in news:I3T_a.57$nf3.43@fed1read07:

"Everyman" <silver@nwinfo.net> wrote in message news:73d08839.0308141105.6cc24d1c@posting.google.com... <snip
delirium>

Would you PLEASE buy a clue?

Enough with the BS and supposed "proof" from wacksites the world over. Enough of that.

I want a solid, lucid, logical, and most importantly, BELIEVEABLE
reason WHY someone would go thru all that trouble to fly a cruise
missile or fighter jet into the pentagon while making it LOOK LIKE a
757 did it, when it would be so much fuggin easier to just do it for
real like they did in New York. Why do it for real in NY and not DC?
Why?

You want to know why the Pentagon was attacked and why it was attacked in
the black-op way that was employed?

First, the complicated truth of what happened is forced upon the "solid,
lucid, logical" mind by the strength of photographic evidence and witness testimony and lots of precise measurements of buildings and aircraft and distances and angles. It is only after knowing what was done and how,
that the "solid, lucid, and logical" investigator turns to the question of
why Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Bush and the billionaire of Big Business, Big Finance, and Big Crime who hold them on retainer would do this crime the way they did.

You want to know: "WHY someone would go thru all that trouble to fly a
cruise
missile or fighter jet into the pentagon while making it LOOK LIKE a 757
did it, when it would be so much fuggin easier to just do it for real like
they did in New York. Why do it for real in NY and not DC? Why? "

The fighter jet was not made to look like the 757. The 757 was there,
looking like itself and capturing everyone's attention as if flew over the Sheraton Hotel, over the Naval Annex, over the Gulf Gas Station and over the Pentagon, over the 14th Street Bridge and into a landing pattern for Reagan National just one mile away, as one of many planes called down from their scheduled flights "immediately" to the nearest airports.

The fighter jet approaching the target low to the ground, rising and falling
to stay low while negotiating buildings and other topographical features --
and approaching at a speed that may have exceeded Mach 1 (one witness heard
a sonic boom before the crash). A few hundred mph faster than the speed of
a bullet fired from a pistol. And as it approached it was behind the visual noise of buildings and the hill at Arlington Cemetery. Not to mention that
at this time there was a four-engine large jet making dives over the Capitol Building to add to the distraction -- which no one seems interested in following up on -- although I have pictures from two different sources at my through yahoogroup evidence site. Also a helicopter had just left the pad
and, mysteriously, had flown around to the other side of the building,
creating another distraction for those whose eyes happened to be looking
that way in the critical 2 seconds of the killer's approach.

The killer jet may have been camouflaged, but I doubt that it was. I
suspect that the best disguise was for the plane to look like what it
as -- an F-16, the most commonly seen figher that defends the skies of the D.C. area, the aircraft that you would expect to be "chasing" an airliner
that was headed for the Pentagon, if anyone saw it, that is, and no one did,
as one would expect given the distractions and other conditions described above.


Now, where were we? You asked: " WHY someone would go thru all that
trouble to fly a cruise missile or fighter jet into the pentagon while
making it LOOK LIKE a 757 did it, when it would be so much fuggin easier to just do it for real like they did in New York?"

Several advantages.

1. It actually is difficult to kill a planeload of people, even in a good cause. Now they can say to each other: "We really didn't kill that many people. We are not monsters. We just made it look like we did."


2. The perpetrator's are operating from the Pentagon. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Meyer, Kissinger, Gingrich and others clandestinely planned the
entire event under the official aegis of Paul Wolfowitz, but in fact under
the command of Rothschild agent Richard Perle. They needed the best
possible defense, they needed the operation to be such that it would lift
them immediately above any suspicion -- and the only way to do that is to
have the (non-existant) Moslem terrorists attack them personally at their heardquarters with their offices and co-workers, the Pentagon. That would
give them cover -- no one would think of accusing them if the Pentagon was attacked with Donald Rumsfeld in it. (Where were Wolfowitz and Perle were
at the time?)

We know that precision was in mind because a plane was followed as it circled the Pentagon to hit the newly refurbished area on the side with no parking lots, the side facing away from the audience across the Potomac.
The killer was in a better position to take out the white house or capitol
but it passed those over to go for the new wedge on the west side of
Rumsfeld's DoD supreme headquarters.

And precision was in mind for a darker reason. Naval Intelligence was not controlled by infiltrators loyal to Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz leadership -- yes
they were loyal in the chain of command and for all legal orders, but not
for the treason stuff, not for the September 11 false-flag black op. And it was the lead Naval Intelligence Group, that was then working on the events
in NYC in the normal and prescribed way, who themselves were all killed when the missile and killer jet hit the offices where their work was taking
place. The entire top command of Naval Intelligence was taken out. ANd
that required precision targeting that a remote controlled Boeing 757 just could not deliver.

It is interesting to note that Rumsfeld after the crash did not go for a briefing. Rather he disappeared on his own -- going outside, he says to
help with the wounded -- not even curious to know whether other planes were crashing into the Sears Tower in Chicago or the Columbia Center in Seattle
etc. -- not even thinking about that. BUT THREE THINGS FOLLOWED. 1) UNDER ORDERS FROM THE TOP RESCUE EFFORTS WERE HELD BACK -- SO THAT PEOPLE WERE
DYING WHILE FIREMEN AND MEDICAL HELP WAS NOT GOING IN TO PULL PEOPLE
OUT????? (DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE ORDER THAT THE MAN WHO WENT OUT TO HELP WITH THE WOUNDED MIGHT MAKE???) 2) FIRETRUCKS WERE ORDERED TO STOP FIGHTING THE FIRE AND PULL BACK BECAUSE OF WORD THAT "ANOTHER JET LINER WAS ON THE WAY!!!" (AS IF EVEN AT THIS LATE DATE THEY COULD NOT GET AIRLINERS
INTERCEPTED BEFORE THEY REACHED THE PENTAGON!?!?!?! AND 3) THE VERY
VISIBLE AND VERY OBVIOUS TOO-SMALL HOLE WAS COVERED OVER BY THE COLLAPSE OF
THE FLOORS ABOVE OVER THE HOLE -- DONE AT A TIME WHEN FIREMEN WERE ORDERED
OUT OF THE BUILDING.

And so, when the operation was done, 1) Rumsfeld was rendered above
suspicion (that is, until the fact that a Boeing did not hit the building
was discovered by the French and others); 2) the rival and anti-treason
Naval Intelligence personel were all dead; 3) the symbol of America's
security, and not just the symbol of international capitalism, had been attacked, Mammon Church and Leviathan, so that all of the nation at every
level would be motivated to join the new crusade and sacrifice life and treasure to overcome the non-existent threat.


But remember this -- the scenario is not at all put out to prove that the attack by the smaller plane took place. We know that. The evidence that proves it many times over is in the photos of the event and in the testimony
of honest and responsible witnesses. I have put that evidence in what you
call my "whacksite".

I answered your question. Now you provide a little something. Provide your basis -- something in any of the presentations of the evidence or the discussion of the implications -- for characterizing my evidence archives as
a "whacksite" In other words, in your next post, show any specific example
you can find of either bad evidence or omitted relevant evidence, or bad conclusions drawn from the evidence that you know of from my Demonstrative Evidence of Frameup site:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/

I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington





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When middle class own savings (i.e., banks owe people interest and
principal) the Federal Reseserve (Burns, Miller) responds by doing big inflation and super shysters do big leveraged junk bond takovers, Buffeting
the economy -- And after middle-class savings purchasing power eroded by
the inflation and Big Finance owns all the interest bearing IOUs then the Federal Reserve deflates (Volker, Greenspan) so that the burden of debt gets heavier and heavier without new borrowing -- higher interest rates , more
and more purchasing power transferred from the "lower classes" to the
moneyed aristocracy.

Recall that inflation always hurts people who have been thrifty and saved
their money for their futures. After World War One, the victorious allies robbed the industrius, thrifty middle-class Junkers -- the German people -- off all their savings -- the Reischsbank simply printing more and more
money -- so that savings that could buy two houses, soon could buy only one house, then only a car, then only a sofa, then only a bag of groceries -- as prices, continuously reset to make up for the more and more plentiful German marks that the central bank was turning out -- and of course the bank lied
and said it was reacting to increased demand for money (and who could deny
that people were demanding more money as wages lagged behind bread that
headed to a million marks a loaf and higher! Yes, inflation hurts savers.

But when the middle class is robbed of its savings and the IOUs are all
owned by the money elites THEN begins the bust stage of the cycle -- of
very tight money, of high interest rates, of savings bundles coming to be
worth more and more as borrowers must pay back more and more purchasing
power with each dollar owned and at high interest rates.

Thats how they got our farms, so now there is giant agribusiness
corporations. That's how they got our houses, so now we rent rather than
own. (And what is a place like New York City but a very small piece of land where rent payers are stacked high one above another -- like cows in the
barn with the milking machines hooked up to their teats -- who would want
to live in a city like that -- and of course that is why there is so much government land in the west where no one may build a house or a small
town -- a practice of "government land" which started when eastern manufacturers didn't want people skipping away from their low-wage factories
to "go west" and have an independent life of a farm and a "little house on
the prairie" etc.

Greenspan is for the bond holding class and for the milking of the middle class. The whole idea is to get your kids owning their kids giant debt with unending interest payments generation after generation, i.e., to make them
part of the American aristocracy -- and of course aristocracy only exists insofar as independed self-sufficient self-respecting people are reduced to debt slavery and degrading obsequious subservience.

And of course when the super rich have all this wealth and the American
masses have no purchasing power left, the wealthy must find new places to invest the surplus of savings they have thus accumulated -- and so they buy
up the wealth of other countries -- they set up Federal Reserve like
central banks (using their money to buy corrupt leaders in government who become their minions and who give them the central bank that they want and
all the rules and regulations they need for their economic takeover from the people of the nation they mean to own. And those nations undergo boom and
bust as our moneyed aristrocracy alternationally injects and withdraws their hot money in their economies -- first inject their money creating a boom,
and inflation, getting people to borrow to meet the increased money demand
for their goods and services -- only it isn't really people wanting more of their goods and services, rather it is more money pumped in giving a signal that has nothing to do with peoples real needs-and-wants based demand -- so that the investment proves a total waste -- the people weren't buying with more money because they were really richer, they were buying with more money because the moneyed aristocracy has ordered its bank to flood the economy
with more money so that, because of reduced value of savings, people are actually poorer, having less wealth. At this point, with all this malinvestment is realized for what it is -- the bust sets in -- and to help
it along the international investers withdraw their loans and the central
bank tightens the money supply -- as assets through bankrupticies and foreclosures become the bountiful harvest of the money manipulators, the enslavement of the "developing country."


Hey, is your choice for our next president talking like he understands and
is willing to do something about any of the above? Does he act like he
knows that 9-11 was a mass-murder frameup? Does he act like he knows these
new wars are horrible war crimes against totally innocent people (whom we
had certainly caused to suffer enough and wholly unjustly even before
invading their countries)?

So what the hell is wrong with us? Why do we major in minors? Why can't we start word of mouth, each in his own city or town, rather than always word
of fingers to each other -- taking in more and more information -- so facts circulate with amazing rapidity round and round without ever resulting in a decision, or a course of action -- just "which moneyed-interest minion
stooge candidate stamped by the CFR are you going to choose for President? Lieberman? Rodham-Clinton? Dean? Kerry? Kudkdkadalich (sp?) get the picture?

But unless you get the guts to say what you know is really happening -- as I have above -- what the hell can change?

Tell me why you too should not be called a servile minion too?

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

p.s., I recommend as the best way to enlighten someone to reality very fast
is with John Kaminski's new book "America's Autopsy Report: The Internet
Essays of John Kaminski." $18.95, add $5 shipping Orders by mail
(check, cash or money order) to: John Kaminski, 250 N. McCall Rd. #2, Englewood FL 34223. THIS IS ONE OF ONLY TWO BOOKS THAT HAS ALL OF THE
BIGGEST HARD TO ADMIT FACTS RIGHT -- THUS A TRUSTWORTHY MAP FOR POLITICAL NAVIGATION.

(The other is Don Paul's book on 9-11 -- but I have loaned out my copy and can't tell you how to get a copy right now.)



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Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911
In-Reply-To: <003401c36ef9$7fca9200$90e9aed8@yakima.net>; from silver@nwinfo.net on Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 06:19:42AM -0700

Don Paul's excellent book can be obtained at:

http://www.wireonfire.com/donpaul/911.html

Thanks for this very clear explanation! Often the IMF/World
Bank will make loans to a country, and the money will go almost
entirely into the pockets of their wealthy elite and the
globalist businessmen who have operations there. Then the
population is taxed to pay back the loan, and when they can't,
and more loans (or delays in repayments) are required, the IMF
insists on an "austerity program" -- a decrease in the people's
already very low standard of living, and also the privatization
(selling off) of government-owned facilities like housing, water,
and electric power systems, which the people themselves had built
to provide affordable services. These systems are then bought up
cheaply by the globalist businessmen, who of course jack up the
prices for the services -- forever. All of this is facilitated
by CIA subversion and assassination, and by U.S. military
intervention, to destroy any movement among the people to free
themselves. These are labelled "communists" or "terrorists"
so the sheeplike U.S. population will support murdering them.

Almost without exception, the purpose of U.S. foreign policy
has been to enslave Third World people for wealthy American
businessmen, and to defeat (usually by means of individual and
mass murder) the people's attempts to establish democratic
control over their own government and economy:

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html
http://www.michaelparenti.org
http://www.sonic.net/~doretk/ArchiveARCHIVE/M%20P/MP.html

On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 06:19:42AM -0700, Dick Eastman wrote:

When middle class own savings (i.e., banks owe people interest and
principal) the Federal Reseserve (Burns, Miller) responds by doing big >inflation and super shysters do big leveraged junk bond takovers, Buffeting >the economy -- And after middle-class savings purchasing power eroded by
the inflation and Big Finance owns all the interest bearing IOUs then the >Federal Reserve deflates (Volker, Greenspan) so that the burden of debt

gets

heavier and heavier without new borrowing -- higher interest rates , more
and more purchasing power transferred from the "lower classes" to the
moneyed aristocracy.

Recall that inflation always hurts people who have been thrifty and saved >their money for their futures. After World War One, the victorious allies >robbed the industrius, thrifty middle-class Junkers -- the German people -- >off all their savings -- the Reischsbank simply printing more and more
money -- so that savings that could buy two houses, soon could buy only one >house, then only a car, then only a sofa, then only a bag of groceries --

as

prices, continuously reset to make up for the more and more plentiful

German

marks that the central bank was turning out -- and of course the bank lied >and said it was reacting to increased demand for money (and who could deny >that people were demanding more money as wages lagged behind bread that >headed to a million marks a loaf and higher! Yes, inflation hurts savers.

But when the middle class is robbed of its savings and the IOUs are all
owned by the money elites THEN begins the bust stage of the cycle -- of
very tight money, of high interest rates, of savings bundles coming to be >worth more and more as borrowers must pay back more and more purchasing >power with each dollar owned and at high interest rates.

Thats how they got our farms, so now there is giant agribusiness >corporations. That's how they got our houses, so now we rent rather than >own. (And what is a place like New York City but a very small piece of

land

where rent payers are stacked high one above another -- like cows in the
barn with the milking machines hooked up to their teats -- who would want
to live in a city like that -- and of course that is why there is so much >government land in the west where no one may build a house or a small
town -- a practice of "government land" which started when eastern >manufacturers didn't want people skipping away from their low-wage

factories

to "go west" and have an independent life of a farm and a "little house on >the prairie" etc.

Greenspan is for the bond holding class and for the milking of the middle >class. The whole idea is to get your kids owning their kids giant debt

with

unending interest payments generation after generation, i.e., to make them >part of the American aristocracy -- and of course aristocracy only exists >insofar as independed self-sufficient self-respecting people are reduced to >debt slavery and degrading obsequious subservience.

And of course when the super rich have all this wealth and the American >masses have no purchasing power left, the wealthy must find new places to >invest the surplus of savings they have thus accumulated -- and so they buy >up the wealth of other countries -- they set up Federal Reserve like
central banks (using their money to buy corrupt leaders in government who >become their minions and who give them the central bank that they want and >all the rules and regulations they need for their economic takeover from

the

people of the nation they mean to own. And those nations undergo boom and >bust as our moneyed aristrocracy alternationally injects and withdraws

their

hot money in their economies -- first inject their money creating a boom, >and inflation, getting people to borrow to meet the increased money demand >for their goods and services -- only it isn't really people wanting more of >their goods and services, rather it is more money pumped in giving a signal >that has nothing to do with peoples real needs-and-wants based demand -- so >that the investment proves a total waste -- the people weren't buying with >more money because they were really richer, they were buying with more

money

because the moneyed aristocracy has ordered its bank to flood the economy >with more money so that, because of reduced value of savings, people are >actually poorer, having less wealth. At this point, with all this >malinvestment is realized for what it is -- the bust sets in -- and to help >it along the international investers withdraw their loans and the central >bank tightens the money supply -- as assets through bankrupticies and >foreclosures become the bountiful harvest of the money manipulators, the >enslavement of the "developing country."

Hey, is your choice for our next president talking like he understands and
is willing to do something about any of the above? Does he act like he
knows that 9-11 was a mass-murder frameup? Does he act like he knows these >new wars are horrible war crimes against totally innocent people (whom we
had certainly caused to suffer enough and wholly unjustly even before >invading their countries)?

So what the hell is wrong with us? Why do we major in minors? Why can't

we

start word of mouth, each in his own city or town, rather than always word
of fingers to each other -- taking in more and more information -- so facts >circulate with amazing rapidity round and round without ever resulting in a >decision, or a course of action -- just "which moneyed-interest minion
stooge candidate stamped by the CFR are you going to choose for President? >Lieberman? Rodham-Clinton? Dean? Kerry? Kudkdkadalich (sp?) get

the

picture?

But unless you get the guts to say what you know is really happening -- as

I

have above -- what the hell can change?

Tell me why you too should not be called a servile minion too?

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

p.s., I recommend as the best way to enlighten someone to reality very fast >is with John Kaminski's new book "America's Autopsy Report: The Internet >Essays of John Kaminski." $18.95, add $5 shipping Orders by mail >(check, cash or money order) to: John Kaminski, 250 N. McCall Rd. #2, >Englewood FL 34223. THIS IS ONE OF ONLY TWO BOOKS THAT HAS ALL OF THE >BIGGEST HARD TO ADMIT FACTS RIGHT -- THUS A TRUSTWORTHY MAP FOR POLITICAL >NAVIGATION.

(The other is Don Paul's book on 9-11 -- but I have loaned out my copy and >can't tell you how to get a copy right now.)

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This war on terrorism is bogus

The 9/11 attacks gave the US an ideal pretext to use force to secure its
global domination

Michael Meacher
Saturday September 6, 2003
The Guardian

Massive attention has now been given - and rightly so - to the reasons why Britain went to war against Iraq. But far too little attention has focused
on why the US went to war, and that throws light on British motives too. The conventional explanation is that after the Twin Towers were hit, retaliation against al-Qaida bases in Afghanistan was a natural first step in launching
a global war against terrorism. Then, because Saddam Hussein was alleged by
the US and UK governments to retain weapons of mass destruction, the war
could be extended to Iraq as well. However this theory does not fit all the facts. The truth may be a great deal murkier.
We now know that a blueprint for the creation of a global Pax Americana was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice-president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), Jeb Bush (George Bush's
younger brother) and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences, was written in September 2000 by the neoconservative think tank, Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says "while the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue
of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document attributed to Wolfowitz and Libby which said the US must "discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role". It refers to key allies such as the UK as "the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership". It describes peacekeeping missions as "demanding American political leadership rather
than that of the UN". It says "even should Saddam pass from the scene", US bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently... as "Iran may
well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has". It spotlights
China for "regime change", saying "it is time to increase the presence of American forces in SE Asia".

The document also calls for the creation of "US space forces" to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent "enemies" using the internet against the US. It also hints that the US may consider developing biological weapons "that can target specific genotypes [and] may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool".

Finally - written a year before 9/11 - it pinpoints North Korea, Syria and
Iran as dangerous regimes, and says their existence justifies the creation
of a "worldwide command and control system". This is a blueprint for US
world domination. But before it is dismissed as an agenda for rightwing fantasists, it is clear it provides a much better explanation of what
actually happened before, during and after 9/11 than the global war on terrorism thesis. This can be seen in several ways.

First, it is clear the US authorities did little or nothing to pre-empt the events of 9/11. It is known that at least 11 countries provided advance
warning to the US of the 9/11 attacks. Two senior Mossad experts were sent
to Washington in August 2001 to alert the CIA and FBI to a cell of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation (Daily Telegraph, September
16 2001). The list they provided included the names of four of the 9/11 hijackers, none of whom was arrested.

It had been known as early as 1996 that there were plans to hit Washington targets with aeroplanes. Then in 1999 a US national intelligence council
report noted that "al-Qaida suicide bombers could crash-land an aircraft
packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA,
or the White House".

Fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers obtained their visas in Saudi Arabia. Michael Springman, the former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah, has stated that since 1987 the CIA had been illicitly issuing visas to unqualified applicants from the Middle East and bringing them to the US for training in terrorism for the Afghan war in collaboration with Bin Laden (BBC, November
6 2001). It seems this operation continued after the Afghan war for other purposes. It is also reported that five of the hijackers received training
at secure US military installations in the 1990s (Newsweek, September 15
2001).

Instructive leads prior to 9/11 were not followed up. French Moroccan flight student Zacarias Moussaoui (now thought to be the 20th hijacker) was
arrested in August 2001 after an instructor reported he showed a suspicious interest in learning how to steer large airliners. When US agents learned
from French intelligence he had radical Islamist ties, they sought a warrant
to search his computer, which contained clues to the September 11 mission (Times, November 3 2001). But they were turned down by the FBI. One agent wrote, a month before 9/11, that Moussaoui might be planning to crash into
the Twin Towers (Newsweek, May 20 2002).

All of this makes it all the more astonishing - on the war on terrorism perspective - that there was such slow reaction on September 11 itself. The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last
hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just
10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the
Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures
for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the
US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft (AP, August 13 2002). It is a US legal requirement that once an aircraft has moved significantly off its flight plan, fighter planes are
sent up to investigate.

Was this inaction simply the result of key people disregarding, or being ignorant of, the evidence? Or could US air security operations have been deliberately stood down on September 11? If so, why, and on whose authority? The former US federal crimes prosecutor, John Loftus, has said: "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert
a defence of incompetence."

Nor is the US response after 9/11 any better. No serious attempt has ever
been made to catch Bin Laden. In late September and early October 2001,
leaders of Pakistan's two Islamist parties negotiated Bin Laden's
extradition to Pakistan to stand trial for 9/11. However, a US official
said, significantly, that "casting our objectives too narrowly" risked "a premature collapse of the international effort if by some lucky chance Mr
Bin Laden was captured". The US chairman of the joint chiefs of staff,
General Myers, went so far as to say that "the goal has never been to get
Bin Laden" (AP, April 5 2002). The whistleblowing FBI agent Robert Wright
told ABC News (December 19 2002) that FBI headquarters wanted no arrests.
And in November 2001 the US airforce complained it had had al-Qaida and
Taliban leaders in its sights as many as 10 times over the previous six
weeks, but had been unable to attack because they did not receive permission quickly enough (Time Magazine, May 13 2002). None of this assembled
evidence, all of which comes from sources already in the public domain, is compatible with the idea of a real, determined war on terrorism.

The catalogue of evidence does, however, fall into place when set against
the PNAC blueprint. From this it seems that the so-called "war on terrorism"
is being used largely as bogus cover for achieving wider US strategic geopolitical objectives. Indeed Tony Blair himself hinted at this when he
said to the Commons liaison committee: "To be truthful about it, there was
no way we could have got the public consent to have suddenly launched a campaign on Afghanistan but for what happened on September 11" (Times, July
17 2002). Similarly Rumsfeld was so determined to obtain a rationale for an attack on Iraq that on 10 separate occasions he asked the CIA to find
evidence linking Iraq to 9/11; the CIA repeatedly came back empty-handed
(Time Magazine, May 13 2002).

In fact, 9/11 offered an extremely convenient pretext to put the PNAC plan
into action. The evidence again is quite clear that plans for military
action against Afghanistan and Iraq were in hand well before 9/11. A report prepared for the US government from the Baker Institute of Public Policy
stated in April 2001 that "the US remains a prisoner of its energy dilemma. Iraq remains a destabilising influence to... the flow of oil to
international markets from the Middle East". Submitted to Vice-President Cheney's energy task group, the report recommended that because this was an unacceptable risk to the US, "military intervention" was necessary (Sunday Herald, October 6 2002).

Similar evidence exists in regard to Afghanistan. The BBC reported
(September 18 2001) that Niaz Niak, a former Pakistan foreign secretary, was told by senior American officials at a meeting in Berlin in mid-July 2001
that "military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October". Until July 2001 the US government saw the Taliban regime as a
source of stability in Central Asia that would enable the construction of hydrocarbon pipelines from the oil and gas fields in Turkmenistan,
Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, to the Indian
Ocean. But, confronted with the Taliban's refusal to accept US conditions,
the US representatives told them "either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs" (Inter Press Service, November
15 2001).

Given this background, it is not surprising that some have seen the US
failure to avert the 9/11 attacks as creating an invaluable pretext for attacking Afghanistan in a war that had clearly already been well planned in advance. There is a possible precedent for this. The US national archives reveal that President Roosevelt used exactly this approach in relation to
Pearl Harbor on December 7 1941. Some advance warning of the attacks was received, but the information never reached the US fleet. The ensuing
national outrage persuaded a reluctant US public to join the second world
war. Similarly the PNAC blueprint of September 2000 states that the process
of transforming the US into "tomorrow's dominant force" is likely to be a
long one in the absence of "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a
new Pearl Harbor". The 9/11 attacks allowed the US to press the "go" button
for a strategy in accordance with the PNAC agenda which it would otherwise
have been politically impossible to implement.

The overriding motivation for this political smokescreen is that the US and
the UK are beginning to run out of secure hydrocarbon energy supplies. By
2010 the Muslim world will control as much as 60% of the world's oil
production and, even more importantly, 95% of remaining global oil export capacity. As demand is increasing, so supply is decreasing, continually
since the 1960s.

This is leading to increasing dependence on foreign oil supplies for both
the US and the UK. The US, which in 1990 produced domestically 57% of its
total energy demand, is predicted to produce only 39% of its needs by 2010.
A DTI minister has admitted that the UK could be facing "severe" gas
shortages by 2005. The UK government has confirmed that 70% of our
electricity will come from gas by 2020, and 90% of that will be imported. In that context it should be noted that Iraq has 110 trillion cubic feet of gas reserves in addition to its oil.

A report from the commission on America's national interests in July 2000
noted that the most promising new source of world supplies was the Caspian region, and this would relieve US dependence on Saudi Arabia. To diversify supply routes from the Caspian, one pipeline would run westward via
Azerbaijan and Georgia to the Turkish port of Ceyhan. Another would extend eastwards through Afghanistan and Pakistan and terminate near the Indian border. This would rescue Enron's beleaguered power plant at Dabhol on
India's west coast, in which Enron had sunk $3bn investment and whose
economic survival was dependent on access to cheap gas.

Nor has the UK been disinterested in this scramble for the remaining world supplies of hydrocarbons, and this may partly explain British participation
in US military actions. Lord Browne, chief executive of BP, warned
Washington not to carve up Iraq for its own oil companies in the aftermath
of war (Guardian, October 30 2002). And when a British foreign minister met Gadaffi in his desert tent in August 2002, it was said that "the UK does not want to lose out to other European nations already jostling for advantage
when it comes to potentially lucrative oil contracts" with Libya (BBC
Online, August 10 2002).

The conclusion of all this analysis must surely be that the "global war on terrorism" has the hallmarks of a political myth propagated to pave the way
for a wholly different agenda - the US goal of world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies required to drive the whole project. Is collusion in this myth and junior participation in this project really a proper aspiration for British foreign policy? If there was ever
need to justify a more objective British stance, driven by our own
independent goals, this whole depressing saga surely provides all the
evidence needed for a radical change of course.

+ Michael Meacher MP was environment minister from May 1997 to June 2003

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Meacher sparks fury over claims on September 11 and Iraq war

Fury over Meacher claims

Ewen MacAskill, diplomatic editor
Saturday September 6, 2003
The Guardian

Michael Meacher, who served as a minister for six years until three months
ago, today goes further than any other mainstream British politician in
blaming the Iraq war on a US desire for domination of the Gulf and the
world.

Mr Meacher, a leftwinger who is close to the green lobby, also claims in an article in today's Guardian that the war on terrorism is a smokescreen and
that the US knew in advance about the September 11 attack on New York but,
for strategic reasons, chose not to act on the warnings.

He says the US goal is "world hegemony, built around securing by force
command over the oil supplies" and that this Pax Americana "provides a much better explanation of what actually happened before, during and after 9/11
than the global war on terrorism thesis".

Mr Meacher adds that the US has made "no serious attempt" to catch the
al-Qaida leader, Osama bin Laden.

He also criticises the British government, claiming it is motivated, as is
the US, by a desire for oil.

The US government last night expressed abhorrence at Mr Meacher's views. An embassy spokesman in London said: "Mr Meacher's fantastic allegations - especially his assertion that the US government knowingly stood by while terrorists killed some 3,000 innocents in New York, Pennsylvania and
Virginia - would be monstrous, and monstrously offensive, if they came from someone serious or credible.

"My nation remains grateful for the steadfast friendship of the British
people and Her Majesty's government as we face, together, the serious challenges that have arisen since September 11 2001."

Downing Street also distanced itself from the views of an MP who only a few months ago was in the government. "The prime minister has responded to those who argue it was about oil," a spokeswoman said, adding that oil profits
from Iraq are to be fed back into the country's development.

Former ministers such as Robin Cook and Clare Short have criticised the
British government for misleading the public over the reasons for going to
war. But Mr Meacher has gone much further in his analysis of US and British motives.

He says that the plans of the neo-conservatives in Washington for action against Afghanistan and Iraq were well in hand before September 11. He questions why the US failed to heed intelligence about al-Qaida operatives
in the US and the apparent slow reaction of the US authorities on the day,
as well as the subsequent inability to lay hands on Bin Laden.

He argues that the explanation makes sense when seen against the background
of the neo-conservative plan.

"From this it seems that the so-called 'war on terrorism' is being used
largely as bogus cover for achieving wider US strategic geopolitical objectives."

He adds: "Given this, it is not surprising that some have seen the US
failure to avert the 9/11 attacks as creating an invaluable pretext for attacking Afghanistan in a war that had clearly already been well planned in advance."

Mr Meacher, who was environment minister, says: "The overriding motivation
for this political smokescreen is that the US and the UK are beginning to
run out of secure hydrocarbon energy supplies."

He is critical of Britain for allegedly colluding in propagating the myth of
a global war of terrorism. He asks: "Is collusion in this myth and junior participation in this project really a proper aspiration for British foreign policy?"



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Marine Gen. Anthony C. Zinni Lambastes Bush's Incompetent War in Iraq
and His Treatment of the Armed Forces, Ex-Envoy Criticizes Bush's
Postwar Policy

By Thomas E. Ricks Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 5, 2003; Page A16

A former U.S. commander for the Middle East who still consults for the
State Department yesterday blasted the Bush administration's handling of postwar Iraq, saying it lacked a coherent strategy, a serious plan and sufficient resources.

"There is no strategy or mechanism for putting the pieces together,"
said retired Marine Gen. Anthony C. Zinni, and so, he said, "we're in
danger of failing."

In an impassioned speech to several hundred Marine and Navy officers and others, Zinni invoked the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War in the
1960s and '70s. "My contemporaries, our feelings and sensitivities were
forged on the battlefields of Vietnam, where we heard the garbage and
the lies, and we saw the sacrifice," said Zinni, who was severely
wounded while serving as an infantry officer in that conflict. "I ask
you, is it happening again?"

Zinni's comments were especially striking because he endorsed President
Bush in the 2000 campaign, shortly after retiring from active duty, and
serves as an adviser to the State Department on anti-terror initiatives
in Indonesia and the Philippines. He preceded Army Gen. Tommy R. Franks
as chief of the U.S. Central Command, the headquarters for U.S. military operations in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East.

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AMERICANS ARISE! HERE ARE YOUR REASONS! US military deaths to date only a
down payment on price of folly -- we are turning our sons, husbands,
brothers into mental basket cases, drug addicts -- mentally scared for life

----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Eastman
To: PeaceMovement
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 5:33 PM
Subject: [apfn-1] forget US military deaths -- we are turning our sons, husbands, brothers into mental basket cases, drug addicts -- mentally scared for life


forget US military deaths -- we are turning our sons, husbands, brothers
into mental basket cases, drug addicts -- mentally scared for life

World War One made the organized crime figures of the 1920's, with machine
guns in violin cases

Viet Nam according to Zhou Enlai's strategy made tens of thousands of US soldiers into drug addicts -- a habit which they brought home with them

The occupation of Iraq will create of our sons, husbands, brothers and
fathers no brutalized men, new addicts, new mental cases -- with a "shell shock" all its own

If you do nothing about this it is because you merely want to talk and
pose -- not save these precious lives or the country's future.

Dick Eastman

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Secret slaughter by night, lies and blind eyes by day In the suburbs of
Baghdad and the Sunni cities to the north the American military policy of 'recon-by-fire' and the breakdown of law and order is exacting a heavy toll
on a war-torn people,

Robert Fisk -- dispatch from Iraq


14 September 2003
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In the Pentagon, they've been re-showing Gillo Pontecorvo's terrifying 1965 film of the French war in Algeria. The Battle of Algiers, in black and
white, showed what happened to both the guerrillas of the FLN and the French army when their war turned dirty. Torture, assassination, booby-trap bombs, secret executions. As the New York Times revealed, the fliers sent out to
the Pentagon brass to watch this magnificent, painful film began with the words: "How to win a battle against terrorism and lose the war of ideas..."
But the Americans didn't need to watch The Battle of Algiers.

They've already committed many of the French mistakes in Iraq, and the guerrillas of Iraq are well into the blood tide of the old FLN. Sixteen demonstrators killed in Fallujah? Forget it. Twelve gunned down by the Americans in Mosul? Old news. Ten Iraqi policemen shot by US troops outside Fallujah? "No information," the occupation authorities told us last week. No information? The Jordanian embassy bombing? The bombing of the UN
headquarters? Or Najaf with its 126 dead? Forget it. Things are improving in Iraq. There's been 24-hour electricity for three days now and - until two US soldiers were killed on Friday - there had been five days without an
American death.

That's how the French used to report the news from Algeria. What you don't
know doesn't worry you. Which is why, in Iraq, there are thousands of
incidents of violence that never get reported; attacks on Americans that
cost civilian lives are not even recorded by the occupation authority press officers unless they involve loss of life among "coalition forces". Go to
the mortuaries of Iraq's cities and it's clear that a slaughter occurs each night. Occupation powers insist that journalists obtain clearance to visit hospitals - it can take a week to get the right papers, if at all, so
goodbye to statistics - but the figures coming from senior doctors tell
their own story.

In Baghdad, up to 70 corpses - of Iraqis killed by gunfire - are brought to
the mortuaries each day. In Najaf, for example, the cemetery authorities
record the arrival of the bodies of up to 20 victims of violence a day. Some
of the dead were killed in family feuds, in looting, or revenge killings. Others have been gunned down by US troops at checkpoints or in the
increasingly vicious "raids" carried out by American forces in the suburbs
of Baghdad and the Sunni cities to the north. Only last week, reporters covering the killing of the Fallujah policemen were astonished to see badly wounded children suddenly arriving at the hospital, all shot - according to their families - by an American tank which had opened up at a palm grove outside the town. As usual, the occupation authorities had "no information"

But if you count the Najaf dead as typical of just two or three other major cities, and if you add on the daily Baghdad death toll and multiply by
seven, almost 1,000 Iraqi civilians are being killed every week - and that
may well be a conservative figure. Somewhere in the cavernous marble halls
of proconsul Paul Bremer's palace on the Tigris, someone must be calculating these awful statistics. But of course, the Americans are not telling us.
It's like listening to Iraq's American-run radio station. Death - unless
it's on a spectacular scale like the Jordanian or UN or Najaf bombings -
simply doesn't get on the air. Even the killing of American troops isn't reported for 24 hours. Driving the highways of Iraq, I've been reduced to listening to the only radio station with up-to-date news on the guerrilla
war in Iraq: Iran's "Alam Radio", broadcasting in Arabic from Tehran.

It's as if the denizens of Mr Bremer's chandeliered chambers do not regard
Iraq as a real country, a place of tragedy and despair whose "liberated"
people increasingly blame their "liberators" for their misery. Even when US troops on a raid in Mansour six weeks ago ran amok and gunned down up to
eight civilians - including a 14-year-old boy - the best the Americans could
do was to say that they were "enquiring" into the incident. Not, as one US colonel quickly pointed out to us, that this meant a formal enquiry. Just a
few questions here and there. And of course the killings were soon
forgotten.

What is happening inside the US occupation army is almost as much a mystery
as the nightly cull of civilians. My old friend Tom Friedman, in a break
from his role as messianic commentator for the New York Times, put his
finger on the problem when - arranging a meeting with an occupation
official -- he reported asking an American soldier at a bridge checkpoint

Enemy. That's how the French came to see every native Algerian. Talk to the soldiers in the streets here in Baghdad and they use obscene language - in between heartfelt demands to "go home" - about the people they were
supposedly rescuing from Saddam Hussein. A Polish journalist in Karbala saw just how easily human contact can break down. "The American guards are
greeting passers-by with a loud 'Salaam aleikum' [peace be with you]. Some young Iraqi boys with a donkey and cart say something in Arabic and
suddenly, together, they run their fingers across their throats.

"'Motherfucker!" shout the Marines, before their translator explains to them that the boys are just expressing their happiness at the death of Saddam Hussein's sons ..." Though light years from the atrocities of Saddam's
security forces, the US military here is turning out to be as badly
disciplined and brutal as the Israeli army in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Its "recon-by-fire", its lethal raids into civilian homes, its shooting of demonstrators and children during fire-fights, its destruction of houses,
its imprisonment of thousands of Iraqis without trial or contact with their families, its refusal to investigate killings, its harassment - and
killing - of journalists, its constant refrain that it has "no information" about bloody incidents which it must know all too much about, are sounding
like an echo-chamber of the Israeli army.

Worse still, their intelligence information is still as warped by ideology
as was the illegal Anglo-American invasion of Iraq. Having failed to receive the welcome deserved of "liberators", the Americans have to convince
themselves that their tormentors - save for the famous Saddam "remnants" - cannot be Iraqis at all. They must be members of "al-Qa'ida", Islamists arriving from Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan ... Among its 1,000 "security" prisoners at Baghdad airport - the total number of
detainees held without trial in Iraq is around 5,500 - about 200 are said to
be "foreigners". But in many cases, US intelligence cannot even discover
their nationalities and some may well have been in Iraq since Saddam invited Arabs to defend Baghdad before the invasion.

In reality, no one has produced a shred of evidence al-Qa'ida men are
streaming into the country. Not a single sighting has been reported of these mysterious men, save for the presence of armed Iranians outside the shrines
of Najaf after last month's bombing. Yet President Bush and Donald Rumsfeld have talked up their supposed presence to the point where the usual
right-wing columnists in the US press and then reporters in general write of them as a proven fact. With powerful irony, Osama bin Laden's ominous 11 September tape suggests that he is as anxious to get his men into Iraq as
the Americans are to believe that they are already there.

In practice, fantasy takes over from reality. Thus while the Americans can claim they are being assaulted by "foreigners" - the infamous men of evil against whom Mr Bush is fighting his "war on terror" - they can equally
suggest that the suicide bombing of the UN headquarters in Baghdad was the
work of the Iraqi security guards whom the UN had kept on from the Saddam regime. Whatever the truth of this - and the suicidal expertise of the UN attack might suggest a combination of both Baathists and Islamists - the message was simple enough: Americans are attacked by "international
terrorists" but the wimps of the UN are attacked by the same Iraqi killers
they helped to protect through so many years of sanction-busting.

There are foreign men and women aplenty in Baghdad - Americans and Britons prominent among them - who work hard to bring about the false promises
uttered by Messrs Bush and Blair to create a decent, democratic Iraqi
society. One of them is Chris Woolford, whose account of life in Bremer's marble palace appeared only in the internal newsletter of the UK regulatory Office of Telecommunications, for whom he normally works. Mr Woolford
insists that there are signs of hope in Iraq - the payment of emergency salaries to civil servants, for example, and the reopening of schools and administrative offices.

But it's worth recording at length his revealing description of life under Bremer. "Life in Baghdad can only be described as bizarre," he writes. "We
are based within a huge compound... in Sadam (sic) Hussein's former Presidential Palace. The place is awash with vast marble ballrooms,
conference rooms (now used as a dining room), a chapel (with murals of Scud missiles) and hundreds of function rooms with ornate chandeliers which were probably great for entertaining but which function less well as offices and dormitories ... I work in the 'Ministries' wing of the palace in the
Ministry of Transport and Communications. Within this wing, each door along
the corridor represents a separate ministry; next door to us, for example,
is the Ministry of Health and directly across the corridor is the Finance Ministry. Behind each door military and civilian coalition members (mainly American with the odd Brit dotted about) are beavering away trying to sort
out the economic, social and political issues currently facing Iraq. The
work is undoubtedly for a good cause but it cannot but help feel strange as
our contact with the outside world - the real Iraq - is so limited." Mr Woolford describes how meetings with his Iraqi counterparts are difficult to arrange and, besides, "key decisions are still very much taken behind the closed doors of the CPA (the Coalition Provisional Authority), or for the
most significant decisions, back in Washington DC". So much, then, for the interim council and the appointed Iraqi "government" that supposedly
represents the forthcoming "democracy" of Iraq. As for contacting his Iraqi counterparts, Mr Woolford admits that Iraqi officials are sometimes asked to "stand outside in their garden between 7pm and 8pm so that we can ring them
on satellite phones" - a process that is followed by the departure of CPA
staff for their meeting with "bullet-proof vests and machine-gun mounted Humvees (a sort of beefed-up American Jeep) both in front and behind our own four-wheel drive..." Thus are America and Britain attempting to
"reconstruct" a broken land that is now the scene of an increasingly cruel guerrilla war. But there is a pervading feeling - among Iraqis as well as journalists covering this conflict - that something is wrong with our
Western response to New Iraq. Our lives are more valuable than their lives.
The "terrible toll" of the summer months - a phrase from a New York Times
news report last week - referred only to the deaths of Western soldiers.

What is becoming apparent is that we don't really care about the Iraqis. We
may think we want to bring them democracy but, on an individual level, we
don't care very much about them or their lives. We liberated them. They
should be grateful to us. If they die now, well, no one said democracy was easy.

Donald Rumsfeld - who raged away about weapons of mass destruction before
the invasion - now admits he didn't even discuss WMD with David Kay, the
head of the US-led team looking for these mythical weapons, on his recent
visit to Baghdad. Of course not. Because they don't exist. Mr Rumsfeld is equally silent about the civilian death toll here. It's the followers of his nemesis Bin Laden that now have to be publicised.

Bin Laden must be grateful. So must the Palestinians. In the refugee camps
of Lebanon last week, they were talking of the events in Iraq as a form of encouragement. "If Israel's superpower ally can be humbled by Arabs," a Palestinian official explained to me in one of the Beirut camps, "why should
we give up our struggle against the Israelis who cannot be as efficient soldiers as the Americans?" That's the lesson the Algerians drew when they
saw France's mighty army reduced to surrender at Dien Bien Phu. The French, like the Americans, had succeeded in murdering or "liquidating" many of the Algerians who might have negotiated a ceasefire with them. The search for an interlocuteur valable was one of de Gaulle's most difficult tasks when he decided to leave Algeria. But what will the Americans do? Their
interlocuteur valable might have been the United Nations. But now the UN has been struck off as a negotiator by the suicide bombing in Baghdad. And the
Bin Ladens and the adherents of the Wahabi sect are not interested in negotiations of any kind. Mr Bush declared "war without end". And it looks
as though Iraqis - along with ourselves -- are going to be its principal victims.

- 2003 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd

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Iraqi police slaughtered by American soldiers who do not want their drug supply interfered with, illegal narcotics deemed necessary for coping with unpleasant duty



US troops ignored pleas as they cut down Iraqi police
http://tinyurl.com/n7yp

Iraqi town seethes as US withholds bodies, information in deadly shootings http://www.prolog.net/webnews/wed/aq/Qiraq-fallujah-scene.RjfX_DSC.html



A hail of bullets, a trail of dead, and a mystery the US is in no hurry to resolve
Robert Fisk in Fallujah
13 September 2003
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/

A human brain lay beside the highway. It was scattered in the sand, blasted from its owner's head when the Americans ambushed their own Iraqi policemen.

A few inches away were a policeman's teeth, broken but clean dentures, the teeth of a young man. "I don't know if they are the teeth of my brother - I don't even know if my brother is alive or dead," Ahmed Mohamed shouted at
me. "The Americans took the dead and the wounded away - they won't tell us anything."

Ahmed Mohamed was telling the truth. He is also, I should add, an Iraqi policeman working for the Americans.

United States forces in Iraq officially stated - incredibly - that they had
"no information" about the killing of the 10 cops and the wounding of five others early yesterday morning. Unfortunately, the Americans are not telling the truth.

Soldiers of the 3rd Infantry Division fired thousands of bullets in the
ambush, hundreds of them smashing into the wall of a building in the neighbouring Jordanian Hospital compound, setting several rooms on fire.

And if they really need "information", they have only to look at the 40mm grenade cartridges scattered in the sand near the brains and teeth.

On each is printed the coding "AMM LOT MA-92A170-024". This is a US code for grenades belt-fired from an American M-19 gun.

And out in Fallujah, where infuriated Iraqi civilians roamed the streets
after morning prayers looking for US patrols to stone, it wasn't difficult
to put the story together. The local American-trained and American-paid
police chief, Qahtan Adnan Hamad - who confirmed that 10 died - described
how, not long after midnight, gunmen in a BMW car had opened fire on the mayor's office in Fallujah.

Two squads of the American-trained and American-paid police force - from the local Fallujah constabulary established by US forces last month and the
newly constituted Iraqi national police - set off in pursuit.

Since the Americans will not reveal the truth, let Ahmed Mohamed, whose 28-year-old brother, Walid, was one of the policemen who gave chase, tell
his story.

"We have been told that the BMW opened fire on the mayor's office at
12.30am. The police chased them in two vehicles, a Nissan pick-up and a
Honda car and they set off down the old Kandar road towards Baghdad.

"But the Americans were there in the darkness, outside the Jordanian
Hospital, to ambush cars on the road. They let the BMW through, then fired
at the police cars."

One of the policemen who was wounded in the second vehicle said the
Americans suddenly appeared on the darkened road.

"When they shouted at us, we stopped immediately," he said. "We tried to
tell them we were police. They just kept on shooting."

The latter is true. I found thousands of brass cartridge cases at the scene, piles of them like autumn leaves glimmering in the sun, along with the dark-green grenade cartridges. There were several hundred unfired bullets
but - far more disturbing - was the evidence on the walls of a building at
the Jordanian Hospital. At least 150 rounds had hit the breeze-block wall
and two rooms had burnt out, the flames blackening the outside of the
building.

Therein lies another mystery that the Americans were in no hurry to resolve. Several Iraqis said a Jordanian doctor in the hospital had been killed and
five nurses wounded. Yet when I approached the hospital gate, I was
confronted by three armed men who said they were Jordanian. To enter
hospitals here now, you must obtain permission from the occupation
authorities in Baghdad - which is rarely, if ever, forthcoming.

No one wants journalists prowling round dismal mortuaries in "liberated"
Iraq. Who knows what they might find?

"The doctors have gone to prayer so you cannot come in," an unsmiling
Jordanian gunman at the gate told me.

On the roof of the shattered hospital building, two armed and helmeted
guards watched us. They looked to me very like Jordanian troops. And their hospital is opposite a US 3rd Infantry Division base. Are the Jordanians
here for the Americans? Or are the Americans guarding the Jordanian
Hospital? When I asked if the bodies of the dead policemen were here, the
armed man at the gate shrugged his shoulders.

So what happened? Did the Americans shoot down their Iraqi policemen under
the mistaken impression that they were "terrorists" - Saddamite or
al-Qa'ida, depending on their faith in President George Bush - and then,
once their bullets had smashed into the hospital, come under attack from the Jordanian guards on the roof?

In any other land, the Americans would surely have acknowledged some of the truth.

But all they would speak of yesterday were their own casualties. Two US soldiers were killed and seven wounded in a raid in the neighbouring town of Ramadi when the occupants of a house fired back at them.

It gave the impression, of course, that American lives were infinitely more valuable than Iraqi lives.

And had the brains and teeth beside the road outside Fallujah been American brains and teeth, of course, they would have been removed. There were other things beside the highway yesterday.

A torn, blood-stained fragment of an American-supplied Iraqi policeman's
shirt, a primitive tourniquet and medical gauze and lots and lots of dried, blackened blood. The 3rd Infantry Division are tired, so the story goes
here. They invaded Iraq in March and haven't been home since. Their morale
is low. Or so they say in Fallujah and Baghdad.

But already the cancer of rumour is beginning to turn this massacre into something far more dangerous.

Here are the words of Ahmed, whose brother Sabah was a policeman caught in
the ambush and taken away by the Americans - alive or dead, he doesn't
know - and who turned up to examine the blood and cartridge cases yesterday. "The Americans were forced to leave Fallujah after much fighting following their killing of 16 demonstrators in April. They were forced to hire a
Fallujah police force. But they wanted to return to Fallujah so they
arranged the ambush. The BMW 'gunmen' were Americans who were supposed to
show there was no security in Fallujah - so the Americans could return. Our police kept crying out: 'We are the police - we are the police'. And the Americans went on shooting."

In vain did I try to explain that the last thing Americans wanted to do was return to the Sunni Muslim Saddamite town of Fallujah. Already they have
paid "blood money" to the families of local, innocent Iraqis shot down at
their checkpoints.

They will have to do the same to the tribal leader whose two sons they also killed at another checkpoint near Fallujah on Thursday night.

But why did the Americans kill so many of their own Iraqi policemen? Had
they not heard the radio appeals of the dying men? Why - and here the story
of the Jordanian Hospital guards and the policemen's relatives were the
same - did the Americans go on shooting for an hour and a half? And why did
the Americans say that they had "no information" about the slaughter 18
hours after they had gunned down 10 of the very men that President Bush
needs most if he wishes to extricate his army from the Iraqi death trap?

- 2003 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd
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Troops dig into own pockets to pay for gear -- no better than current
Russian army in provisions provided to US soldiers http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=TROOPS-GEAR-09-11-03&cat=AN

Wounded US troops are being billed for hospital meals http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=17483

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Follow the money --Neo-liberalism/Neo-conservatism is war by and for global private interests, controlling governments and their militaries like zombies for the profit of a few and the expense of all the rest http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1040412,00.html

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9-11 site:

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war (Neils Groenveld et al.) http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/ (Ian Henshaw et al.) http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm (Frank Levin) http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart/index.html http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html http://www.911timeline.net/ http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html

http://www.tomflocco.com/bush_may_invoke_9.htm http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com

http://www.antiwar.com
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.html#preface http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/

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No one who has looked at each the following photo-evidence presentations continues to believe the Administration's and monopoly media's version of
the 9-11-01 attack on the Pentagon.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/10

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/7

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/3

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/46

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/4

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm

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I (DIck Eastman) operate as a criminologist on the internet -- the term conspiracy theoriest does not apply to me -- so if you came here looking for conspiracy theory let me offer this, written by someone else:

In Remembrance of the September Dead!

It is foolish to think that an infinitesimal desert state and its partisans
in America could overthrow the sovereignty of the American government, take control of the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches, and such
agencies as the Federal Reserve, IMF, CIA, and embark US on a global war against the Arab world. It takes a vast and very rich Conspiracy and a century. The Conspiracy was described exactly more than a century ago in Europe and by President Wilson, long before this evil little state and its partisans were born.

The world is under siege by a European hierarchy of banking families, at the
top largely Jewish, the money changers and money lenders of history. They
are already the richest people on earth but it is not enough. They have a Faustian Grand Plan. They mean to own or control everything of value on
earth. Their weapons: MONEY and DEBT-and Washington.

The rise of the Conspiracy over the last two centuries parallels the rise of zionism. This is not a coincidence. Early on, the Conspiracy realized that
it needed a strong political agency, zionism, and its own country where it would be free from all governmental oversight and create the murderous rogue state (israel) that menaces the world today through Washington. (The two
were joined at the hip decades ago by the Conspiracy.)

The Conspiracy is invisible. It functions through its network of global and central banks and their many subsidized agents, organizations and fronts
around the world. It financed the Morgans and the Harrimans. Even the
haughty kingpin of the American Petroleum Cartel, David, is its lackey just like his ancestors. It controls the currency of all the major nations including Russia and China. It "takes" hundreds of billions from the
American people every year. It has no regard for human life except as a resource for labor, taxes and armies. It has no god; money is its messiah.

A century ago, the Conspiracy had bankrupt Europe with its many wars (the lifeblood of the Conspiracy). A peaceful America, protected by two oceans,
was on the verge of becoming the most powerful and prosperous nation on
earth and the Conspiracy did not "own" it. This was "unacceptable". A
naNve President Wilson was surrounded by zionists: Baruch, Untermeyer, Warburg, Schiff, Brandeis, Meyer and House. The Conspiracy wished to take control of American money, "mobilize its credit" to finance World War I and overthrow the Czar (for Russian money). And it needed America to assure victory over Germany (its hated enemy even before WWI). Wilson was
pressured into signing the Federal Reserve Act and to declare war on
Germany. Later he was to say, "I have involuntarily ruined my government". Ominously, he warned,

"Some of the biggest men in the United States.are afraid of something. They know there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." (And it has grown enormously from a century of war.)

The Conspiracy mandated that Capitalism become the "state religion" of
America and the world (cheap resources and labor and freedom from taxes and regulations). A Red Scare began the century long war on Communism. It was
as phony as the "war on terrorism" of today, all bugaboos and demagoguery. Every politician had to pledge his/her allegiance to Capitalism. Communists were purged from government, communications, education, industry; tens of millions died for it in the Conspiracy wars. Today it's still the same: "globalization", "deregulation" "privatization" and "tax exemption for the rich".

The Conspiracy financed massive donations to two of the most prestigious universities in America, turning them into centers of zionist politics and activities. One has supplied an extraordinary number of officials to the Washington government. The other created the ultimate terror weapon mostly
by Jewish/zionist scientists to use on Germany. It financed the
Jewish/zionist purchase of entire niche industries: merchandizing, movies,
real estate, television, national magazines and newspapers, jewelry, and now professional sports from which they have amassed a vast wealth in the trillions, sheltered from taxes in many foundations and offshore havens.
Cash businesses seem to be preferred.

After World War II, the Conspiracy corrupted American elections with money
and subverted Washington officials with threats of heavily financed
opponents. Truman said that zionist pressure for israel was the greatest political pressure he had ever encountered. Anyone who resisted was
threatened with ruin or eliminated (JFK?). The Senate was purged of all but zionist sycophants. In the 60's when Washington docilely surrendered to israel's murder of American sailors on the USS Liberty the Conspiracy knew
it was in political control of America. But what about the American people?

In the 70's when the destruction of the Savings Banks and Savings & Loans
was planned, the Conspiracy recognized that it needed an epochal event like the Reichstag Fire and/or Pearl Harbor to subdue the independent American people. Washington and zionist media would orchestrate a mass hysteria.
They would bombard the American people, just as they had for decades with anti-German and "holocaust" propaganda, with demagoguery, pathos, ethnic hatred, patriotism, heroism, glorification, pageantry, flag-waving and symbolism to create a false war climate and impose martial law under the pretense of "national wartime security". FEMA concentration camps were
built and are ready.

It all came together in September 2001 just as planned by the Conspiracy.
The buildings were purchased by a Jewish syndicate and demolished. And it
is seeking the greatest insurance windfall in history. The American people
are shocked and all evidence and investigations quashed. But the pieces are coming together anyway on the internet; Washington and media accusations are
a complete fraud. The buildings were assuredly not destroyed by aircraft.
The obvious suspects are the agents of the Conspiracy, israel and
Washington. There are reports that the Conspiracy timed this catastrophe to destroy the personnel and accumulated evidence in a major investigation and lawsuit involving a zionist gold cartel in Wall Street and the Federal
Reserve, selling the Reserve gold stock at bargain prices which would have unveiled the Conspiracy. This was "unacceptable". The Conspiracy seeks to corner the world's gold supply (its Rheingold). Washington has since
diverted all such investigations to "terrorism".

The Conspiracy has bankrupt America just like Europe. America is on the
brink of chaos: environmental disaster, global war, and economic, societal,
and financial collapse. America floats on the accelerating expansion of
debt by the Federal Reserve. But credit is not inexhaustible. Annual
interest on the debt is rapidly rising; approaching a half trillion dollars
or a quarter of national revenues. The dollar is under global attack in
favor of the Euro. The economic future of America is bleak yet rosy
economics pours out of Washington and the media, lulling the people. For
most of US, the cost of living rises and the standard of living declines;
there will be giant corporate bankruptcies, millions more unemployed,
healthcare, education, retirements trashed, all the more for the
Conpiracy's zionazi war machine (and its satanic weapons) and for israel.

In debt-ridden nations, the Conspiracy through the IMF will demand lower
wages and no social programs, higher taxes and interest rates and will foreclose on vast expanses of the natural resources by its World
"Conservation" Bank for exploitation, freed from the sovereign control of
those countries and the interests and welfare of their people. Our children


America exists in a state of Constitutional chaos. There is no lawful government in Washington. All three branches are in gross violation of the Constitution. It is the most evil and criminal government in history. It
is a collection of Enron types, stuffing their pockets. These criminals
will gladly wage the Conspiracy's wars just to stay in power. Any force
with the means to do so may lawfully oust them and fill the vacancies.
.
We see a popinjay president surrounded, once again like Wilson, by zionists: Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Kristol, Kagan, and Podhoretz as well as the
zionist fronts AIPAC and JINSA, all with a single mind. Washington,
shepherded by israel, shall "take" the Middle East resources and holocaust
its people and their religion. And the American people are its foil.
Americans can no longer be intimidated by accusations of anti-Semitism. It
is a ploy of the Conspiracy and its Zionist agents. Many, many religious
Jews in America are anti-zionist but are repudiated by zionists and marginalized by the zionist media.

The fundamental right to vote is being attacked by numerous political
schemes. The Conspiracy controls both parties. (A common ploy of the
Conspiracy is to "own" both sides of a controversy and promote superficial differences while both sides support a common hidden agenda.) The voting machines are "fixed". The Republican majorities in Congress are more
suspect every day. So what's the cure? It's really simple.

Vast concentrated wealth is dangerous to any republic and must be
redistributed through a "Peace Tax" of fifty percent of all personal wealth, income and property in excess of Five Million Dollars and the elimination of all taxation of wages for any purpose.

All government obligations paid by money issued by the Treasury freed from
the Federal Reserve and the hundreds of billions in interest paid to the Conspiracy annually.

Political reform including elections purged of private monies, term limits
for all public officials, and representative government for all minorities according to their numbers.

The Conspiracy and its use of the American people to achieve their evil
Grand Plan would be ended. Within a few years the national debt would be
paid with peace and prosperity instead of endless wars, inflation and depressions. This is always what has occurred when the people issued their
own money instead of the Conspiracy. But the Conspiracy controls both of
the major parties; so the Cure is simply not possible without a coup by real American patriots. We should remember the words of Jefferson:

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of
their currency.the banks and the corporations which grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on
the continent their fathers conquered.

How soon the labor of men would make a paradise of the earth were it not for misgovernment and a diversion of his energies to selfish interests.

Acknowledgements:
Eustace Mullins, Secrets of the Federal Reserve, (www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm)
Carmack & Still, The Money Masters (www.themoneymasters.com)


REMEMBER RACHEL CORRIE
REMEMBER THE USS LIBERTY
REMEMBER THE SEPTEMBER DEAD

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Open scientific research in controlling hurricanes ended in the 1950's after successful efforts demonstrating the technology's feasibility. Since then
the research has been militarized and continued in secret -- along with
other weather modification technologies.

Slight energies applied at the right time and at the right moment can modify spin and direction of these huge systems.

I suspect, the timing and the "perfectness" and the course of hurricane Isabel

http://maps.wunderground.com/data/images/at200313_model.gif

http://html.thehawaiichannel.com/sh/idi/weather/hurricanes/maps/index2.html?/sh/images/weather/auto/2xat_ir_anim.gif
weather.com - Storm Track http://www.weather.com/maps/news/atlstorm13/index_large.html

The Unrecognized Weapon: Clandestine Weather Modification http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weather_ops/message/1

Pete Wagner:
Isabel is a Cat. 5 storm on a slow and steady course for warmer Gulf Stream waters. I cannot remember in my lifetime a hurricane this well-structured, headed on such a ominous course toward the American Eastern Seaboard. This
may well turn out to be the storm of the new century, at least decade. It
could easily wipe out entire shoreside communities, from the Carolinas up to the Jersey Shore. My projections have the storm sweeping along Cape Hatteras and running up the coast. I think there is a chance that Hatteras could experience 200+ mph winds and 40 foot storm surges. The whole outer banks
could realistically end up under water. ... there is still about a week left
to see what will actually happen.
http://www.rense.com/general41/storm.htm


--- Synchronet 3.18b-Win32 NewsLink 1.113

From Newsgroup: alt.society.civil-liberty

The British-based pilot falsely accused by the United States of being the "chief instructor" of the September 11 suicide hijackers began a multimillion-pound damages claim against the US Department of Justice and
the FBI yesterday. Lotfi Raissi, 29, is claiming $10 million in damages
from each of the two institutions. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,171-818668,00.html

For Iraqi p[olicemen it is like the loyalty of firemen for the dead heros of the WTC on Sept. 11, 2001. (Actually the real killers -- organized-crime Zionism in control of US policy driven amuck -- were responsible in both
cases of deliberate murder.) Iraqi police ready to turn guns on US troops
in the town where ten police and a security guard were killed on Friday in
the worst "friendly fire" incident of the Iraq conflict. "I am full of
hatred for the Americans and I am ready to kill them," said Arkan Adanan,
who was injured in the shoulder early on Friday morning when US troops
poured rifle and machinegun fire into three police vehicles that were
chasing suspected drug dealers. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,170-817444,00.html


Avraham Burg: Israel must shed its illusions and choose between racist oppression and
democracy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1041960,00.html


Space is already privitized and they don't have to tell you what they have already sent out there. In 1967, the internationally agreed Outer Space
Treaty forbade governments from claiming any celestial bodies as their property. But the committee that worded the treaty forgot to include private firms or individuals and, though the 1979 Moon Treaty would have prevented
the exploitation of space for private profit, not enough countries signed. Opponents complained that it would bog down space exploration in "a 'common heritage of all mankind' morass". http://www.newstatesman.co.uk/nscoverstory.htm


Federal Appeals Court Halts Recall of anti-globalist-power-corportation Governor until "discredited" punch voting machines can be replaced with new computerized systems http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=443802


Fisk: Powell draws a veil over killings as he tours Iraq http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/story.jsp?story=443808


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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it
deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are,
the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer
be at the rghit pclae.
The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it
wouthit porbelm.
Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

I disagree. The stimulus with first and last letters correct and the same letters in-between in different order has to occasion some response -- and
the appropriate response is still the most probable response it occasions -- thus stimulus "oredr" is only reinforced by responding as though it said "order" -- and almost immediately that response is reinforced by the reward
of that "interpretation" making sense. It is the same behavioral
operations that go on when we identify "typos" -- the Cambridge people
have correctly identified our ability -- but their interprettion is
rong -- every letter is, in fact, relevant stimuli -- each adds strength
to a particular response/interpretation -- because it doesn't work when you
put the wrong letter in there or an extra letter. What is this word: chesopwnromen ???
-- Dick Eastman
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With the American public increasingly anxious for a lower American profile
in Iraq, Powell said Sunday the US will reject a French proposal to speed return of sovereignty to Iraqis. http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0916/p01s04-woiq.html

It Was the Oil and It Is Like Vietnam http://www.counterpunch.org/goff09152003.html


A member of Iraq's Governing Council Monday accused U.S. troops of regularly mistreating Iraqi civilians so that the population had come to regard
American forces as an army of occupation. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=


Under Blair, Britain has ceased to be a sovereign state -- At last we see
the consequences of our country's abject thrall to the US http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1042798,00.html




All zionist council to be voted in as Tikrit region ruling interim
council -- participants and results vetted by U.S. officers and a U.S.-appointed governor retains ultimate decision-making power. http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusIntl/reuters09-15-100329.asp?reg=MIDEAST



U.S. forces are not occupiers says Colin Powell http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/14/sprj.irq.main/index.html



Israel Shamir -- voice of sanity:


"But ordinary Jews, or Russians of Jewish origin - and there are millions of such people - are a different story. I meet them, music teachers,
journalists, economists; they are normal people, and they reject the New
World Order and regret the fall of the Soviet Union. ...
If I were younger, maybe I would join the fighters of Jenin standing fast at assault of the armoured monsters. But writing is also a form of warfare. A writer can emulate a fighter by disregarding mortal danger, by putting his
goal above self-preservation. Later I discovered that this war of words is
good not only for Palestine, but for my soul as well. Thus, the struggle for Palestine became a spiritual quest for me and for many others.
-- Israel Shamir (his full interview statements at bottom of this
posting)




Yasser Arafat wants to reach a truce with Israel, his national security adviser said Tuesday, but Israeli officials brushed aside the offer and demanded that the Palestinian Authority crack down on militant groups.
Arafat himself struck a conciliatory tone, but stopped short of making a specific cease-fire offer. "We say to the peace supporters in Israel that we extend our hand to you to revive peace," Arafat said in a speech to about
2,500 Palestinians at his battered West Bank headquarters. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AntiTerrorismCoalition/message/4243
also: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030916/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians_741




From: "Walter Mueller" <thetruthisback@yahoo.com>
To: "Walter F. Mueller" <thetruthisback@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:25 PM
Subject: Patriot Letter: 9/11 - Bush - and other nonsense

Dear Fellow Patriot!

Two years ago, we all watched the incredible maneuver of four airplanes, supposedly kidnapped by Arabs, accomplish one miracle after another one. In these crazy maneuvers, almost 3,000 people lost their lives. Today, the survivors of these dead ones are millionaires, thanks to you, the taxpayer. Ever since, life in America has become Orwell 1984.

Patriot Act I and Patriot Act II in the making, supposedly to bring more security to you and me, have actually taken away most of our freedoms and liberties, to please a crazed puppet of Israel. Washington is now the
Capital of Israel. Today, when you enter the airport, you shockingly realize that security isn't really the issue. Every security guard, in fact every airport worker, has turned into a third world immigrant. The constitutional amendments are void. Nevertheless, yesterday evening, cocaine-brain-damaged George W. Bush asked for more power to fight terrorism.

In addition, Attorney General John Ashcroft is proposing a color system to pin-point the level of danger. People with red tags are immediately
detained. Orange tags severe cavity search and green you are free to go. Now and those are the same people who want to talk about Hitler.

He wants the hands of our law enforcement officials untied. He wants bail revoked. Subpoenas revoked, etc. etc. And this all after the American people have been spoon-fed one lie after another one.

First Afghanistan, and then Iraq. We were assured that Iraq was hording an incredible amount of weapons of mass destruction. We never got to see them, though. Because it never was about terrorism.

It's all about eliminating the enemies of Israel. Congress is preparing to
take up a request from the President for $87 billion in extra financing to
keep the violence in Iraq and Afghanistan down. And by coincidence,
television networks yesterday afternoon were showing a new video tape "allegedly of Osama bin Laden" in which he urged his followers to bury
American troops in Iraq.

The mighty US is not capable to capture those who they blame to be
responsible for 9/11. As a matter of fact, we experience the same methods of the victors that were used at the end of WWII.

Remember, after the murder of the two sons of Saddam Hussein by the
Americans, the US military destroyed the building where the two sons had
found refuge. Excuse: We don't want this to turn into a point of worship
for the Iraqis.

Wow, doesn't that sound familiar? Similar actions were taken after the war
in Germany. Berghof, Hitler's place of relaxation, was destroyed to the last brick. Several cemeteries, which were the last resting place for the
murdered Germans under the "Sieger Rechts Hinrichtungs Gesetz" (Victors
Rights Execution Law), had been flattened.

Rudolf Hess, prisoner of peace, was murdered in Spandau Prison, and shortly thereafter, Spandau Prison was destroyed. Again, the powers to be said they didn't want this to become a Mecca for neo-Nazis.

On June 22nd 1958, the Austrian government unveiled a honor grave at the
Vienna Central Cemetery for WWII hero and Luftwaffen Pilot Walter Nowotny. Major Nowotny was one of the very few pilots who received the ultimate honor from the German Reich: the "Eichenlaub mit Schwertern und Brillianten zum Ritter Kreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes" Oakleaf with swords and diamonds to the Knights Cross of the Iron Cross). His gravestone read: Forever is the deads heroism. 60 years after, the powerful Jewish community finally convinced the Vienna City Council to remove the honor grave from the Vienna Central
Cemetery, because it had become a destination for neo-Nazis.

In Berlin, Adolf Hitler's bunker will now be the foundation of Germany's biggest holocaust museum.

You see, the US and British war criminals are trying hard to destroy
everywhere the living and brick and mortar witnesses to cover up their war crimes.

9/11 - yes, we should remember the victims, but don't ever believe for a
minute that this was not an Israel initiated tragedy and that the government
is doing again what they do best - they are making the evidence disappear as well as the witnesses.

When you think of 9/11 - especially we European Americans - think of prison, gag orders, and internment camps. Joe Six-pac and Soccer Mom are having a
good time in their SUV, green lawn and their trac home. And boy, don't
expect any help from the minorities. This is heaven for them. They could
care less about constitutional rights. Where they come from they had no
rights, heck, they didn't even have a toilet. America offers them
everything. Whether or not they have a freedom of speech, they right to
bear arms, etc. etc., they don't care. All they care is that stupid whitey
is paying the education for their children and the rent for their homes and
for the food on the table. Think about that when you think about 9/11.

Walter F. Mueller
"The truth is back in business"

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In a similar vein:

Old Friend,

To anyone who might be unsure of what this administration really values
it's constituens at, I submit the following.

Sunday night in one of my irregular TV times, I was flipping through the "MEDIA" channels, CNN, FOX, and so on. Lo and BEHOLD, here's DICK CHENEY talking about "security", thee host asks a VITAL Question, "With growing
fears of the use of shoulder fired heat seeking missiles against civilian aircraft (COMMERCIAL), why not install anti-missile devices to every aircraft?"

CHENEY'S typically verbose response basically is this, "It's too
exspensive," he adds "We could do that, but it would just cost too much."

Besides taking away our "freedom" what concrete things have these power-mad money grubbers done to help the American people? Hav e they offered
discount gas masks or chemical suits? HAve they even offered basic survival technique pamphlets?

Very interesting that 80+BILLION dollars isn't "too exspensive" to continue the OCCUPATION of IRAQ. I guess we're not worth saving.

Does it really peeve anyone else or am I all alone in my hatred for
politicians in general?

Meanwhile jobs dissapear overseas, the country is sliding down a path to decadence, our youth are being taught almost nothing of value in school.

And how much more squeezing will the American People take before they lash out?

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Israel Must Be Declared A Terrorist State
Patrick Johnston
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4721.htm

09/16/03: (Information Clearing House) The United Nations General Assembly
must pass resolutions declaring Israel to be in violation of the UN Charter
of Member States and suspend Israel from the United Nations effective immediately. Further, both the General Assembly and the Security Council
must pass resolutions imposing the harshest yet sanctions and complete international isolation against Israel for continued reckless and wanton violations of numerous resolutions concerning the criminal treatment of the Palestinian people and mandates on Palestine.

ISRAEL MUST END THE OCCUPATION ... AND THE VIOLENCE!

1.) Israel Must Be Declared A Terrorist State

2.) Zionism Must Be Declared A Terrorist Movement and Followers Terrorists

3.) War Crimes Tribunals Must Be Sought Against Appropriate Israeli Leaders

4.) UN Must Impose Harsh Sanctions and Isolation Against Israel

The United States must wake up to the fact that Israel is not a good ally.
Nor is Israel a good friend to the American people. What ally and what
friend would demand of a nation and its people to continuously support
without challenge, or explanation, their nefarious plans and calculated
deeds to wipe out an entire population of largely defenseless people?

The American people must demand an immediate and uncompromised end to the
blind and insane U.S. support of Israel and its reprehensible and vile destruction of the Palestinian people before it is too late. The mandate and requisite road map for peace is very simple: Demand full implementation of
all United Nations General Assembly and Security Council Resolutions
relevant to the conflict in the Middle East and stop this inhumane and
heinous carnage by the Israeli government aimed at and inflicted against the hapless and defenseless Palestinian people.

The criminally insane Israeli government now claims it plans to expel Yasser Arafat from Palestine, or to kill him. This announcement by the Israeli government hasn't indicated which option it will choose. But make no mistake about it, it most assuredly will happen. The Israeli government has a habit
of broaching its most controversial, aka unlawful, plans in the media to
head off and dilute any possible -- no matter how weak and ineffectual --
U.S. government opposition and to a lesser degree international opposition
and to establish how ever weak of a claim that they forewarned the international community of their plans and therefore are absolved of any wrongdoing.

What right does Israel have to expel Yasser Arafat into exile? What international law and precedent allows such a move? A more odious plan of action by Israel would be the assassination -- the murdering -- of Arafat. President Arafat has been held virtual captive in his destroyed Ramallah compound for over two years, imprisoned, under full scrutiny and observation
of the IDF, unable to set a foot past his confines. So what precisely grants Israel impunity to do as it wishes, to whom it wishes, in complete contravention of international law, to elected leaders within the boundaries
of their own land? And while under virtual house arrest, how can Arafat rightfully be held responsible for not being able to stop Hamas, or any
other act of armed resistance by any Palestinian faction?

This is another in a long list of mischievous and devious Israeli tauntings
and calculated schemes of out of control spin and manipulation of on the
ground facts to give credence and legitimacy to their belligerent and
dastardly policies and military brutality against the Palestinians in the
guise of fighting Palestinian terrorism instigated by Arafat and the Palestinian Authority.

How can the elected leader of Palestine possibly be responsible for the
actions of the armed Palestinian resistance? The justification for every bit
of what the Israelis has thrown at the Palestinian Intifadah has been laid
at the feet of a besieged and captive duly elected President. Bush keeps demanding that Arafat dismantle the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure. Sharon, the yet to be indicted war criminal, insists that Arafat dismantle every bit of the armed Palestinian resistance and until he does, he, as the elected Prime Minister of Israel, will continue these most sickly and despicable acts of cowardice against this small group of Arabs.

How pathetic and prophetic.

Bush, with a vast military and arsenal financed by a defense budget larger
than the rest of the planet combined, cannot find one man in Osama Bin Laden and after a year of continuous military action still cannot claim the dismantling of Al Qaeda.

Ariel 'The Butcher of Sabra and Shatilla and Qibya and Beirut and Jenin and many other places and loathsome deeds' Sharon has tried in vain to prevent
the martyr operations and all to no avail -- so just what is expected of Arafat? Nothing! It's all another ploy intentionally conceived and concocted
to allow certain failure and another lame and predictable excuse for the Israelis to kill more innocent Arabs and perhaps this time President Arafat included.

Hamas, whose very existence and material backing comes at the hands of the Israeli government. The same which can be said of the U.S. and Saddam
Hussein, Osama Bin Laden and myriad others and regimes before them.

Whatever plan Israel chooses would be a criminal act. But criminal acts are nothing new to Israel, its government, or many of its citizens.

And what will be the reaction of the Bush administration to either of these options? Why should we, the American people, or for that matter the entire international community, expect any other response than what we are
accustomed to by Bush in response to the crimes committed by Arik 'The Man
of Peace' Sharon and his supporters? Nothing.

If the Sharon regime proceeds with either of their plans, the response needs
to bury Israel, AIPAC, the ZOA, the CPMJO, JINSA and all similar
organizations and extremist Israeli support structures under a relentless fusillade and barrage of condemnation. Israel needs ostracized and isolated
by sanctions from the rest of the entire international community of nations until it falls into line and stops this intentional decimation of Palestine.

Because Bush and his aides have staked a clear and visible dislike of German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and French President Jacques Chirac; because
they would not fall into lock step with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, perhaps it is then acceptable to Bush to exercise the right to send them
into exile and to forcefully do so? And to do so by sending a belligerent military force into France and Germany to extract those leaders for
expulsion under heavy gunfire without conscience, or concern for the
citizens of either country? There is no difference. It is just as
preposterous and criminal for the Israelis in their proposition concerning Yasser Arafat.

While we are on the subject of criminality:

It is a violation of U.S. laws to provide material support for criminal and corrupt governments. Israel is in violation of near seventy UN General
Assembly and Security Council Resolutions in regards to the Middle East conflict.

Under numerous scenarios, Israeli PM Ariel Sharon and numerous other Israeli officials are guilty of multitudes of violations of the Geneva Convention
and other international laws, covenants and treaties. Some punishable by
death.

The entirety of the House of Representatives, the U.S. Senate and the
Executive Branch, including President Bush, are guilty of aiding and
abetting Israel in its flagrant, intentional and willful commitment of
crimes against the Palestinian people. Including but not limited to
violations of the Leahy Amendment and the Arms Control Export Act.

The U.S. government has also violated numerous laws in regards to certain
forms of military and financial aid provided to Israel in contravention to money laundering laws and laws regarding the structuring of all aid and the repayment/obligations of the recipient country concerning how the aid is
used and the reporting requirements/accountability of all aid -- military,
or otherwise.

Both Israel and the United States are guilty of violations of numerous UN Resolutions concerning the treatment of Palestinian citizens and the illegal occupation of Palestinian territory.

How can anything out of the mouth of the Israeli government, or any of its politicians, or any of the supporters of the Zionist campaign, or any others who support or bless the Israeli apartheid against the Palestinian people be believed in any regard, on any matter?

For that matter, how can any U.S. politician?

Patrick Johnston
VoxRx.org

VoxRx.org ~ A United Nations/UNESCO, Culture of Peace, peace and
conciliations NGO. Providing communications links and lobbying services for people at risk in regions of conflict and hostility with the goal of peace, hope, freedom and equal rights for every man, woman and child, regardless of culture, religion, nationality, or socio-economic circumstance. Sovereignty
and equal opportunity for all people.

VoxRx.org, PMB 129, 14419 Greenwood Ave N Ste A, Seattle, Wa 98133 patjohnston@earthlink.net

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Iraq council chief urges US to cede sovereignty

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San Francisco Chronicle - 55 minutes ago

As U.S. authorities investigated a suicide car bombing that killed three
Iraqis -- including the driver -- and seriously wounded four American intelligence officers, the president of the Iraqi Governing Council called Wednesday for the most rapid possible restoration of sovereignty.

Also Wednesday, two American soldiers were killed by bombs in separate incidents and U.S.-led forces pressed operations across the country in
search of supporters of deposed President Saddam Hussein.

Council President Ahmad Chalabi, in an apparent bid to strengthen the
fledgling civilian authorities' nationalist credentials with skeptical citizens, said at a news conference here that the U.S.-appointed Governing Council would not invite additional foreign troops to Iraq but instead
looked forward to foreign troops leaving.

"The stance of our council is to restore sovereignty on our land," declared Chalabi, who is seen by critics as having little political backing within
Iraq, depending instead on his ties to Washington. "We will not invite
troops to come. Our ultimate aim is complete sovereignty of Iraqis over
Iraq."

When asked about the apparent conflict with the goals of the Bush administration, which is seeking troops from other countries such as Turkey,
he responded that "we understand the coalition is in charge of security
within the country." Still, the comments by Chalabi, who holds the rotating presidency for a month, marked a backing off from an earlier welcome he indicated for a Turkish force.

The question of a Turkish force in Iraq is sensitive because of the large Kurdish population in the north near the border with Turkey. Given the
history of a 15-year Kurdish rebellion in Turkey, some observers fear there could be clashes between Kurdish and Turkish forces in Iraq.

In Baghdad, a U.S. soldier was killed while trying to disarm an improvised roadside bomb, the military said. The team first attempted to detonate the
bomb by shooting at it with a .50-caliber weapon; the device exploded as the soldier went forward to investigate. The soldier's name was withheld pending notification of next of kin.

The soldier's death was the second in as many days after an eight-day
stretch when no American deaths were reported.

About 5 p.m. Tuesday, another soldier was killed and one was wounded when a homemade bomb exploded on a supply route northeast of the capital, the U.S. Central Command said Wednesday.

Two Iraqis and the car bomber were reported killed in Tuesday night's attack
on a U.S. military headquarters in the northern city of Irbil. Fifty-three people, including four American officers of the Defense Human Intelligence Service and a Kurdish guard, were wounded when the front of the two-story building collapsed. The attack occurred about 8:50 p.m. when a Toyota sport utility vehicle laden with TNT exploded near the building.

Maj. James Bullion, civil affairs executive officer of the 404th Civil
Affairs Battalion, Special Operations, said two children were among the dead
in Irbil, the largest Kurdish-controlled city in northern Iraq. He said one child was a 12-year-old boy. Al-Jazeera TV said the other child was 2.

Early Thursday, attackers fired a rocket-propelled grenade at the Mosul
Hotel in Mosul. U.S. civilian workers are based in the hotel. There were no immediate reports of injuries, and the U.S. military in Baghdad had no information on the attack.

The Irbil bombing was the first major terrorist attack in the Kurdish region since President Bush declared the end of major combat. There was no
immediate claim of responsibility. But the blast came on the heels of a
recent threat by Ansar al Islam, a militant group that U.S. officials say
has ties to the al Qaeda terrorist network.

At a military briefing in Baghdad on Wednesday, U.S. Army Lt. Col. George
Krivo said that U.S.-led forces "continue offensive operations throughout
Iraq to identify, detain or kill Saddam Fedayeen, former regime loyalists, Baathists and their supporters." Troops seized a variety of ammunition and weapons at sites around the country, he said.

"During the last 24 hours, coalition forces have conducted 62 raids, 1,498 patrols and detained 69 people," Krivo said.

At his news conference, Chalabi praised the acceptance Tuesday of the new
Iraqi foreign minister at a meeting of the Arab League, calling it "a very
good development."

"We want the best relations with other Arab countries," he said. "We want to cooperate in every field."

Asked whether the new Iraqi authorities could take a stance in the Arab
League that conflicted with U.S. views, for instance on Israel, Chalabi replied: "The U.S. is not a member of the Arab League. . . . We want to work
in cooperation with the United States to achieve full sovereignty for
Iraqis. We are working as friends and allies rather than adversaries. So contradictions, should they arise, are resolvable by very friendly means."

The Associated Press contributed to this report




Success and Failure

By Israel Shamir

(An Interview given to Mr Kostas Karaiskos, editor of the Greek weekly <Antifonitis> on Partition, the Rise of Jews in Russia, and the duty to
resist Zionism)

Q: Dear Mr. Shamir, after working for so many years as a writer and
journalist, a day came and you surprised all people by your daring, heretic point of view. What had really happened? How can an established Jewish
writer speak openly about racist Israel, the right of the Palestinians to resist and return, the American crimes in Iraq etc?

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A: It is not strange that in the critical moment I stood by my adoptive country, the living temple of God, the Holy Land, this delightful and
charming sister of Hellas, so similar to Peloponnesus or Crete, for it was destroyed before our eyes by the mad forces of Sharon. It is strange I kept quiet until recently. But the instinct of self-preservation makes cowards of
us all, and besides, Man is optimistic by nature. As long as the child does
not cry, we do not pay much attention to his discomfort. As long as the
native Palestinians were quiet, one thought: "Well, probably they can
manage, and the country can manage".

But the Intifada was a sign that these extremely peaceful and patient people are pushed into slow death, and with them Palestine is going for good. I
felt that every bullet shot by the Israeli Army kills my brothers, and every torched olive tree, every razed house, every demolished Church damage the
very fabric of our existence. It does not make sense to live if our earth is destroyed, and that is true everywhere. Just objections or critique were not sufficient anymore.

If I were younger, maybe I would join the fighters of Jenin standing fast at assault of the armoured monsters. But writing is also a form of warfare. A writer can emulate a fighter by disregarding mortal danger, by putting his
goal above self-preservation. Later I discovered that this war of words is
good not only for Palestine, but for my soul as well. Thus, the struggle for Palestine became a spiritual quest for me and for many others.

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Q: Your thesis about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is that it can be
ended only by the construction of a unified state, with equality for all its citizens. Do you believe that this is more realistic than the two states framework? Which could be the steps for the solution you propose?

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Judging by your question, there are separate Israel and Palestine, while
Shamir wishes to unite them. But it is not the case. We have 'one state' and practically always had it. Palestine was partitioned for a very short time, from 1948 to 1967, but before and after this break we - the different communities of Palestine - live together in one beautiful country between Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. It can't be divided, for it is too small and people live in close quarters with each other. Moreover, without Palestinians, Palestine dies.

Like Cyprus before 1974, we are still one country, and the idea of partition
of Palestine is as wrong as that of Cyprus partition. Now, when the
communities of Cyprus try to reconcile, we should not promote partition of Palestine. We must learn from others' errors: the partition of Cyprus
brought no blessing to the Cypriots, and we should not try it here. The enormous tragedy of Greek - Turkish partition and transfers is a living
proof it was a wrong way to solve the problem.

Whenever I travel in the Eastern Mediterranean, I deeply regret that there
are no Greeks in Smyrna, no Turks in Thessalonica. In Constantinople, Hagia Sophia and Hagia Irini still remember their Orthodox Past, and the mosques
in Rhodes bewail their glory. This tragedy is still with us, for the Greeks were an important and leading element in the Ottoman Empire, this successor
of the Byzantines. The Turks were soldiers and shepherds, the Greeks represented state and trade. There is a coin minted in 1455 in
Constantinople; its one side is inscribed with legend 'Mehmet, Sultan of the Faithful' in Arabic, and the reverse side is inscribed in Greek, 'Mehmet,
the Emperor of the Orthodox'. The Ottoman Empire was like this coin, and
under the Turkish warriors and Greek ministers it kept peace and prosperity
of the Mediterranean. The West envied its successes and undermined it.

From the Sack of Constantinople in 1204 to Smyrna in 1921, the imperialist West tried to disintegrate our beautiful Eastern Mediterranean and

eventually they made it. Out of Greek-Turkish partition, came Mustafa
Ataturk, and his policies (for a while) broke the spirit of the Turks,
turned them into an American tool, forbade them to worship God and even wear national dress. Greece was subjugated by the British forces for many years. Greeks were the real force in the Empire, while in their independent state
they serve Western tourists.

Looking back, one understands that the partition of the Empire was a costly mistake that we all still pay for. Partition of Cyprus, partition of
Ireland, partition of India - so many partitions promoted by the imperialist West, and all of them lead to perdition. It is enough. In my view, partition
of Palestine should be avoided, while the real problems attended by
promoting equality, democracy, love of our country and its spirit. Maybe non-partition of Palestine will be the turning point for mankind.

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Q: Vladimir Guzinski, the Russian media baron, was arrested in Athens and is expected to be deported to Russia. Other fabulously rich members of Jewish community are also prosecuted (Berezovsky, Khodorkovski) and others continue
to keep good relations with Putin and authorities (Abramovich, Chubais). You have been born and you have worked in Russia, you know the country and its culture. How do you explain the unrestricted power which was gathered in
Jewish hands after 1989? Do you believe that Putin is trying to put some
limits to their power or he is just rearranging the scene?

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A: Rise of the Jews in post-Soviet Russia is one of the most bewildering phenomena. Six out of seven wealthiest men of Russia are Jews, and they are influential in media, banking, in control over natural resources. It is not easy to explain why a Jewish accountant from Tashkent, Chernoy, with monthly salary of one hundred Rouble, became the owner of Russian aluminium
industry.

One explanation lies in the religious sphere. The Orthodox Christians are ashamed of being rich. They remember the comparative size of a needle and a camel. They understand that riches rarely come to honest men. They are
ashamed of power, for they were told: the last ones here will be among the first there. This quality of Orthodox Christianity was partly inherited by Communism, and that is why Communism was successful in Russia. (It would succeed in Greece, too, but England crushed Communists in post-war Greece).

The unreconstructed Jews and the Calvinists have no such misgivings. They
seek power for the Old Testament says, "be a master to your brothers, and
they will bow to you". They believe wealth is a sign of being blessed. That
is why they are ready to grasp all there is. On a less religious note, I
shall quote Victor Pelevin, a modern Russian writer:

"In tumultuous times, an unscrupulous and cunning man manages better than an honest one for he quickly adapts to the changes. At a certain level of dishonesty and cunning, the man foresees the oncoming changes well in
advance, and thus he adapts even faster. The worst rogues adapt themselves
to the changes before these changes actually occur. These worst rogues are
the engine of change, for they do not foresee the future, but they form it. These unscrupulous, shameless, pushy rogues convince the rest that their forecast is correct, and thus the change occurs"[i].

In other words, 'success' of a group at the expense of others is a sign of their lack of scruples. But in more pragmatic way, the Russian Jews own
their success to their close relations with the American Jews. When the US
Jews entered the big game of sharing the spoils of Russia, they needed local allies, and the Russian Jews were available for this role. Thus, this prominence of Russian Jews is even worse than it appears, for the prominent ones are extremely pro-American and pro-capitalist. They support Western domination, fight the Russian Orthodox Church, and promote 'modernity', this poisonous mix of CNN, MTV and IMF.

They enjoy support of the important American Jews. Khodorkovsky is defended
by such differing and mutually hostile Jewish players as Richard Perle and George Soros. The NY Times (July 23, 2003) reported from Moscow: "When key Washington policy advisor Richard Perle sat down this week for a meeting
with leading Russian political analysts, he had an unsolicited word of
advice: Lay off Yukos Oil Co., the Russian energy giant locked in a showdown with criminal prosecutors." (Yukos is Khodorkovsky). Charles Grant, a Soros' man, wrote: "today, in strict utilitarian terms, Khodorkovsky is a force for good in Russia. He gives direct and indirect support to a range of organisations and individuals that are trying to raise the standards of
Russian capitalism, civil society and democracy. He wants to make Russia
more western, which in my view is exactly what it needs".

When Putin moved against Gusinsky, NY Times of Sulzberger called to 'defend freedom of independent press', another code-word for the Jewish-owned one,
as the NY Times did not defend Zavtra and other opposition media.

But ordinary Jews, or Russians of Jewish origin - and there are millions of such people - are a different story. I meet them, music teachers,
journalists, economists; they are normal people, and they reject the New
World Order and regret the fall of the Soviet Union. Even oligarchs are only human: Berezovsky was received in the Russian Orthodox Church, married a Russian woman, he supports the national opposition, and who knows? Maybe he changed his ways. The Manichaean approach should be rejected - reality is
more complicated than any scheme.


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US admits holding 10,000 Iraqi prisoners http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s947282.htm


Iraq never revived its secret nuclear weapons program
after it was dismantled by U.N. inspectors in the 1990s, a senior Iraqi scientist at Iraq's new Ministry of Science and Technology said Tuesday. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=3452610&from


Hans Blix: Iraq Destroyed WMD 10 Years Ago http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20030916_626.html


Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Tuesday he had no reason to
believe that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had a hand in the Sept. 11, 2001,
terrorist attacks on the United States. http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030916_1592.html

Vice President Dick Cheney, anxious to defend the White House foreign policy amid ongoing violence in Iraq, stunned intelligence analysts and even
members of his own administration this week by failing to dismiss a widely discredited claim: that Saddam Hussein might have played a role in the Sept.
11 attacks. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/09/16/cheney_link_of_iraq_911_challenged/

Seeking honesty in U.S. policy EX-U.S. DIPLOMAT SAYS WHITE HOUSE IS IN FULL RETREAT FROM IRAQ REALITY http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/editorial/6778084.htm






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Be sure to read and pass on the historic letter from soldier Predmore at
the bottom of this posting.



Mystery pneumonia toll may be much higher -- Mysterious pneumonia-like illnesses and breathing problems appear to be striking U.S. troops in
greater numbers than the military has identified in an investigation -- including more deaths, according to soldiers and their families. http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030915-014545-8114r

Planned new laws to deal with a large-scale terror attack in Britain smack
of "needless totalitarianism", said UK Conservatives. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3114552.stm


Taliban claim capture of four US troops http://jang.com.pk/thenews/sep2003-daily/18-09-2003/main/main12.htm


Arafat surrounded by human shield of women and children http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/341460.html


An official report on the ambush near Nasiriyah said that several weapons, including M-16s, M249 Squad Automatic Weapons and a .50-caliber machine gun, jammed or failed to operate properly during the firefight. The U.S. Army on Tuesday revealed that all records and documents about the weapons that
jammed during the March 23 ambush that led to the death of nine Fort Bliss soldiers were destroyed in the Iraqi attack and that there is no way to
trace the weapons' histories. http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20030917-22426.shtml


Iraqi president Saddam Hussein called on the U.S.-led occupying forces to
leave the country. "I ask you to withdraw your army, as soon as possible
and without any conditions," said the voice in a recording broadcast by the Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television. "Your withdrawal from our country is unavoidable, if not today then tomorrow. Our aim is not to kill more
children of the peoples of America, Britain or elsewhere," ... "If you want
to negotiate the modalities of the pullout ... you can open a
dialogue with officials from the Iraqi leadership who are held by your army
as prisoners of war," ... "You must tighten the noose and increase your strikes against the enemies by demonstrating, writing on walls and demanding your rights ... and above all
through armed struggle." ... "I tell Bush, in the name of the Iraqi people, 'you lied to yourself, to your people and the whole world.'" ... "Know that Iraq and its leaders will refuse any solution that is made while the country
is under the shadow of occupation. We will consider it to be a ruse," http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-09/17/article07.shtml


Robert C. Byrd -- Instead of linking arms with a world which offered its
heart in sympathy after the brutality of the terrorist attack in September
of 2001, this White House, through hubris and false bravado, has slapped
away the hand of assistance. This Administration has insulted our allies and friends with its bullying, and go-it-alone frenzy to attack the nation of
Iraq. In order to justify such an attack, it was decided somewhere in the
White House to blur the images of Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden.
Blurred images notwithstanding, what is becoming increasingly clear to many Americans is that they are going to be asked to carry a heavy, heavy load
for a long, long time. http://www.iviews.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=CD0309-2094


Tons of expired Israeli foodstuffs had flooded Iraqi markets since the first days of U.S.-led occupation of the oil-rich Arab country, Iraqi Health
Ministry sources said. http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-09/18/article02.shtml



Robert Fisk on Wesley Clark & Iraq: "What is Happening Is An Absolute
Slaughter Every Night of Iraqi People" http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/18/1757243


U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix said Wednesday Saddam had probably destroyed his prohibited weapons ten years ago
but pretended otherwise to deter any attack. -- "I'm certainly more and more
to the conclusion that Iraq has, as they maintained, destroyed almost all of what they had in the summer of 1991 ," he told Australian national radio. -- U.N. inspectors worked in Iraq for several months in late 2002 and early2003 and failed to find conclusive evidence of the alleged WMD. --Their absence
has become a major embarrassment for the United States and its allies, who
used it to justify their invasion in March, AFP reported. -- Asked if it
was likely Iraq has not had WMD for at least a decade, he said:"Yup, that's right.You see, if they didn't have anything after '91, there must be some explanation why they behaved as they did. They certainly gave the impression that they were denying access and so forth," Blix said,"I mean, you can put
up a sign on your door, Beware of the Dog, without having a dog." http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-09/17/article07.shtml


Top state department official says Syria is a growing threat to
international security and a concern to the U.S. and threatened Tuesday, September 16 , it would use "every tool" to dissuade the
Arab country from allegedly pursuing chemical, biological or nuclear
weapons.
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-09/17/article04.shtml


Fisk: The US authorities in Iraq - who only report their own deaths, never those of Iraqis - acknowledged three US soldiers dead. There may be up to
eight dead, not counting the wounded. Several Iraqis described seeing arms
and legs and pieces of uniform scattered across the highway. -- The
American Humvee had burnt out, the US troop transporter had been smashed by rockets and an Iraqi lorry - riddled by American bullets in the aftermath of the attack - still lay smouldering on the central reservation. -- "I saw
the Americans flying through the air, blasted upwards," an Iraqi mechanic
with an oil lamp in his garage said - not, I thought, without some satisfaction. "The wounded Americans were on the road, shouting and
screaming."
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/


Saudi Arabia, in response to the current upheaval in the Middle East, has embarked on a strategic review that includes acquiring nuclear weapons, the Guardian has learned. http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,1044402,00.html


Arab League wants UN to demand Israel sign nuke pact http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L1755188.htm


Paula DeSutter, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Verification and Compliance tells Congress Iran has the capability of arming ballistic
missiles with biological warheads within 45 minutes http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/341951.html



Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark said today that he "probably" would have voted
for the congressional resolution last fallauthorizing war -- Clark said his views on the war resemble those of Democratic Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman
(Conn.) and John F. Kerry (Mass.), both of whom voted for the war http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32450-2003Sep18.html



Bill and Hillary line up behind Wesley Clark. -- Mr. Clark hails from
Little Rock, Ark., knew President Clinton when he was still a governor, and
had an extraordinary degree of contact with him when he served as NATO commander during the Kosovo bombing campaign of 1999. -- Clinton commerce secretary Mickey Kantor will be a senior Clark adviser. Bruce Lindsey, the White House counsel for President Clinton, will be providing advice. So too will Eli Segal, Mr. Clinton's 1992 campaign chairman. Mr. Clark's spokesman
is none other than Mark Fabiani, who handled damage control on scandals for President Clinton.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110004027


By the time you're finished adjusting for reality, the projected budget
deficit is about $7.4 trillion, not the advertised $1.4 trillion. -- First,
I counted the $2.4 trillion Social Security surplus, which the Treasury uses
to offset its cash shortfall. Then I figured that the last three years of
tax cuts will become permanent; that Congress will pass a Medicare prescription-drug package and will also stop the dreaded alternative minimum tax from hitting 30 million taxpayers. These changes add $3.6 trillion to
the deficit. So by the time you're done, the total projected deficit is more than five times the aforementioned $1.4 trillion. Call it $7.4 trillion. And I'm being generous, assuming we spend nothing in Iraq starting Oct. 1, 2005. http://www.msnbc.com/news/959467.asp



Several witnesses recounted that US soldiers were present as the prisoners
were loaded into the trucks and also when the container doors were opened at Sheberghan and hundreds of dead bodies spilled out. One soldier said that US troops in charge of the operation told their Afghan allies to "get rid of
them [the bodies] before satellite pictures could be taken." -- The final stage of this grisly operation was the transport of the dead and wounded prisoners to a barren stretch of desert 10 minutes up the road, called Dasht-i-Leili, where the bodies were unloaded and several hundred prisoners
who were still alive were shot to death. Again, witnesses said US Special Forces troops were present during these executions and when bulldozers
pushed the corpses into a mass grave. -- Within the US media, government efforts to suppress Afghan Massacre have thus far produced the desired
results. Doran described the role of the American media as "pretty tragic."
He added that one American journalist who was following up the story
recounted a conversation with a senior State Department spokesman. Asked why the story had yet to run in any major national daily, the spokesman replied, "You have to understand, we are in touch with the nationals on a daily
basis. It just won't run, even if it's true." -- "How many more people
will have to die before the government in this country admits what
happened?" asked Doran. He stressed that it is a priority to protect the
mass grave sites and establish a witness protection program for those who
have testified as eyewitnesses to the war crimes. "If this country can
propose to fly 500 Iraqi scientists and their families to Cyprus, then presumably they could bring 25 truck drivers out of Afghanistan," he
aid. -- "As high as Rumsfeld's office" --
Afghan Massacre is now available on video and can be purchased at the web
site of Doran's film company, Atlantic Celtic Film Corporation at www.acftv.net. Brief video excerpts from the film are posted on Oneworld TV
at http://tv.oneworld.net/tapestry?story=584&window=full.


Bush: No Connection Between Iraq, Sept. 11 http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/091903C.shtml

Globalist druglords us narcotics to attract and control child warriors in Columbia -- Male commanders
are frequently alleged to have sex with under-age girl fighters as China-backed FARC guerrillas and paramilitaries exploit the desperation of
poor children in rural combat zones (this is the group that Madeleine
Albright supported and defended when she was secretary of state.) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,174-822147,00.html



For the past six months, I have been participating in what I believe to be
the great modern lie: Operation Iraqi Freedom.

After the horrific events of September 11 2001, and throughout the battle in Afghanistan, the groundwork was being laid for the invasion of Iraq. "Shock
and awe" were the words used to describe the display of power that the world was going to view upon the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. It was to be an up-close, dramatic display of military strength and advanced technology from within the arsenals of the American and British military.

But as a soldier preparing to take part in the invasion of Iraq, the words "shock and awe" rang deep within my psyche. Even as we prepared to depart,
it seemed that these two great superpowers were about to break the very
rules that they demanded others obey. Without the consent of the United Nations, and ignoring the pleas of their own citizens, the US and Britain invaded Iraq. "Shock and awe"? Yes, the words correctly described the
emotional impact I felt as we embarked on an act not of justice, but of hypocrisy.

From the moment the first shot was fired in this so-called war of

liberation and freedom, hypocrisy reigned. After the broadcasting of
recorded images of captured and dead US soldiers on Arab television,
American and British leaders vowed revenge while verbally assaulting the networks for displaying such vivid images. Yet within hours of the deaths of Saddam Hussein's sons, the US government released horrific photographs of
the two dead brothers for the entire world to view. Again, a "do as we say
and not as we do" scenario.

As soldiers serving in Iraq, we have been told that our purpose is to help
the people of Iraq by providing them with the necessary assistance
militarily, as well as in humanitarian efforts. Then tell me where the
humanity is in the recent account in Stars and Stripes (the newspaper of the
US military) of two young children brought to a US military camp by their mother in search of medical care.

The two children had, unknowingly, been playing with explosive ordnance they had found, and as a result they were severely burned. The account tells how, after an hour-long wait, they - two children - were denied care by two US military doctors. A soldier described the incident as one of many
"atrocities" on the part of the US military he had witnessed.

Thankfully, I have not personally been a witness to atrocities - unless, of course, you consider, as I do, that this war in Iraq is the ultimate
atrocity.

So what is our purpose here? Was this invasion because of weapons of mass destruction, as we have so often heard? If so, where are they? Did we invade
to dispose of a leader and his regime because they were closely associated
with Osama bin Laden? If so, where is the proof?

Or is it that our incursion is about our own economic advantage? Iraq's oil
can be refined at the lowest cost of any in the world. This looks like a modern-day crusade not to free an oppressed people or to rid the world of a demonic dictator relentless in his pursuit of conquest and domination, but a crusade to control another nation's natural resource. Oil - at least to me - seems to be the reason for our presence.

There is only one truth, and it is that Americans are dying. There are an estimated 10 to 14 attacks every day on our servicemen and women in Iraq. As the body count continues to grow, it would appear that there is no immediate end in sight.

I once believed that I was serving for a cause - "to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States". Now I no longer believe that; I have
lost my conviction, as well as my determination. I can no longer justify my service on the basis of what I believe to be half-truths and bold lies.

With age comes wisdom, and at 36 years old I am no longer so blindly led as
to believe without question. From my arrival last November at Fort Campbell,
in Kentucky, talk of deployment was heard, and as that talk turned to actual preparation, my heart sank and my doubts grew. My doubts have never faded; instead, it has been my resolve and my commitment that have.

My time here is almost done, as well as that of many others with whom I have served. We have all faced death in Iraq without reason and without justification. How many more must die? How many more tears must be shed
before Americans awake and demand the return of the men and women whose job
it is to protect them, rather than their leader's interest?

+ Tim Predmore is a US soldier on active duty with the 101st Airborne
Division, based near Mosul in northern Iraq. A version of this article
appeared in the Peoria Journal Star, Illinois

- LATWP News Service


[Has Predmore been re-assigned to night-shift solitary police patrol duty in downtown Tagrit? Let's keep track to make sure Rumsfeld or Franks does not penalize this truly patriotic citizen soldier for having a conscience about
war crimes he is ordered to perpetrate.]




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Bush Rumsfeld Wolfowitz Guilty of 9-11 -- the Proof is the Pentagon Attack Evidence

Click Here for the Paul Thompson 9/11 Time-Line http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/

Click Here for the Mark Elsis 9/11 Time-Line
http://www.911timeline.net/


Other evidence-centered sites on Flight 77 and 9-11 frame-up:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/ http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://www.911dossier.co.uk/


http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/

http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html http://www.koolpages.com/killtown/flight77.html

http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/messenger.html
http://www.truthout.org http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/temoins_en.htm

http://www.waronfreedom.mediamonitors.net/index.html http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm

http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html
http://www.etherzone.com
http://www.antiwar.com








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Clinton, Bush, Blair and the coming "British Bush" -- and other vitally important news and comment

several articles here -- actually a kit for fomenting needed Upgrade and Patch Popular Uprising to rid us of government by plutocratic organized
crime and restore the Jeffersonian Repbulic we thought we still had.


As CFR (Rockefeller global finance capitalism interests shadow government)-owned President Bill Clinton brought to the Democrats -- the Democrats who were once the party of the people, the once party of
Jefferson, Jackson, William Jennings Bryan, the grange, the
anti-inflationists, the populists, Huey Long, and at least the speeches and public image of FDR (but not the reality of FDR! --whose New Deal was controlled behind the scenes by Bernard Baruch for middle-class plundering merchant bankers -- just as Bush's "conservative" party is really controlled
by former Trotskyite "neo-con" Zionists serving exactly the same
middle-class plundering investment banker families ) Democrats lost both
houses of Congress for the first time since the days of Sen. Robert Taft and Speaker of the House William Knowland and returned the Presidency to Bush Republican power


Blair destroys Labour like Clinton destroyed Democrats -- betraying the ideals -- and being allowed in because the current Democrat and Labour leaderships were whores to power willing to sell out populist and pro-worker and pro-middle class principle to get a man in office -- in each case a man owned by arch predatory monopoly finance capitalism -- merely so they could
get the position, power and patronage for "party" and the expense with a break from principle and trust and stated public purpose --

and so the parties which traditionally functioned as checks on the rule of
the super rich are being thrown out by voters and public opinion reacting against the leadership headed by infiltrated money-insinuated agents of the super rich -- so that the parties "of the common man" will be rejected at
the polls in favor of the traditional parties of the classes of insider
power and privilege that are hostile to even the idea of self-supporting self-respecting rising-real-wage rising-standard-of-living-dynamic-creative middle classes of workers of skill and intelligence and a work and service ethic which no scion of the ruling-class money power has ever shared, being rich on account of political payoff, insider wire-pulling, monopoly power, money power, and political corruption -- and not real "better-mousetrap" superior performance, superior product, superior value for the dollar,
superior service and commitment entrepreneurship and enterprise. (Stock speculation based on inside knowledge of illegal manipulations of the
monetary, capital flows, regulatory, war, weather-mod-disaster events -- not being entrepreneurship or enterprise in the sense in which economics
understand and praise those terms in their models of the market system.)

Anyway -- Blair has blown it for labor, but given his true masters in The
City (i.e., the British Wall Street) exactly what they wanted -- set up
for the transition from a British Clinton to a British Bush.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

related:

Senior Labour figures blamed a backlash against the war in Iraq and the aftermath of the conflict yesterday for the party's humiliating defeat in
the Brent East by-election. MPs urged Tony Blair to change his policies
and style of government, with some warning that the party could lose power
at the next general election despite its majority of 163 in the House of Commons.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=445182


Suspicious trading points to advance knowledge by big investors of September
11 attacks -- In the two weeks preceding the September 11 terror attacks
on New York and Washington, there was a sudden and unaccountable rush of speculative trades on the US stock and bond markets that indicate some
wealthy and well-connected investors had advance knowledge of the impending catastrophe.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/bond-o05.shtml



Bush Accomplishments http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Politicians/Bush_accomplishments.html

Might as well post this, as it ties in with my comment on Clinton-Bush-Blair above.

Bush Accomplishments: [And as you read this list -- keep in mind what you know, that GW Bush is totally insensitive to the human cost of any of these "accomplishments" -- the incalculable death and misery and smaller
trouble -- affect his sleep not one whit -- i.e., he is a true sociopath, just like Clinton, who was groomed for the same anti-American-people anti-people-of-the-world function for the money power that uses him. --DE]

I attacked and took over two countries.

I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury.

I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history. (No Small Achievement!)

I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock
market.

I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal
record.

In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on
vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over
the worst security failure in US history.

I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since
the advent of TV.

I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

I cut health care benefits for war veterans.

I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take
to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.
(The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker
named after her).

I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in
any country in the history of the world.

I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the
United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.

I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history
of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland Security".

I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I did it!!).

I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove
the US from the Human Rights Commission.

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the
US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

I withdrew from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default
no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.

I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in
world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US
history.

I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.

I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year
made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations
bidding for gov't contracts.

I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any
other president in US history.

In a little over two years. I have created the most divided country in
decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the Civil War.

I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than
two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.


RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (My Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war.

I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. Although I did do my share of cocaine in my younger days.

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

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Wesley Clark for President? Another Con Job from the Neo-Cons -- Let it never be said the neo-conservatives are not persistent. That's why they must
be rounded up by the FBI and charged with violating the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) statutes. But let's save that issue for another time. The latest trick of the neo-cons is running retired General Wesley Clark for President as a Democrat. But not just any Democrat -- a
"New Democrat."
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen09182003.html


Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz to hire 30,000 more mercenarie$ (whose death toll does
not have to be counted). Now they will increase hiring demand for extra foreign troops in Iraq from 10,000 to at least 40,000.
http://tinyurl.com/o1fu


U.S. planes drop bombing targets in Pakistan http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-09-19-pakistan-us_x.htm


Schr%der shows his true globalist stripes -- after faking agreement with
German populations massive opposition to US aggression. Now the Neo-con Zionists get to arrange urban-warfare attrition deaths for Germans as well
as Arabs -- "oh, happy day" for Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Kissinger,
Jewish Gen. Meyer, Jewish Gen. Franks etc.
http://tinyurl.com/o1fe

Robert Fisk: Americans draw a veil of secrecy as casualties grow No comment from the authorities while more and more US servicemen and their families
are demanding answers from George Bush -- A culture of secrecy has descended upon the occupation authorities in Iraq. They will give no tally of the
Iraqi civilian lives lost each day. They will not comment on the killing by
an American soldier of one of their own Iraqi interpreters yesterday - he
was shot dead in front of the Italian diplomat who was the official adviser
to the new Iraqi Ministry of Culture - and they cannot explain how General Sultan Hashim Ahmed, the former Iraqi minister of defence and a potential
war criminal, should now be described by one of the most senior US officers
in Iraq as "a man of honour and integrity". http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk



Not to be confused with globalist Zionist hawk, Gen. Weseley Clark's views,
the still patriotic America-loving military voice strong opposition to
Bush's Defense by Wolfowitz-Rumsfeld. -- George Bush probably owes his presidency to the absentee military voters who nudged his tally in Florida decisively past Al Gore's. But now, with Iraq in chaos and the reasons for going to war there mired in controversy, an increasingly disgruntled
military poses perhaps the gravest immediate threat to his political future, just one year before the presidential elections. -- "I once believed that
I served for a cause: 'To uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States'. Now I no longer believe that," Tim Predmore, a member of the 101st Airborne Division serving near Mosul, wrote in a blistering opinion piece
this week for his home newspaper, the Peoria Journal Star in Illinois. "I
can no longer justify my service for what I believe to be half-truths and
bold lies." http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=445128



Erosion of Posse Comitatus Act prohibitions on the involvement of the US military in law enforcement -- On February 28, 1993 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms launched its disastrous and lethal raid on the Branch Dividian compound outside Waco, Texas. Even before the raid, members of the
US Armed Forces, many of them in civilian dress, were around the compound. Wesely Clark's consulting role. http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn09182003.html



Gunmen opened fire on a car carrying a woman member of Iraq's US-appointed Governing Council on Saturday, seriously wounding her and three bodyguards. http://english.aljazeera.net/Articles/News/ArabWorld/Blast+gunfire+in+Falluja.htm



RACHEL CORRIE MEMORIAL or cut and paste www.geocities.com/rachel_gaza . Regards, to all, Rachel Smith of FMYP in Dearborn.



So, you want to be a Zionist.

Baruch Marzel is one of the most prominent leaders of the estimated 400-450 quarrelsome Jewish settlers in Hebron who live under round-the-clock army protection in the midst of the town's Arab inhabitants of 170,000 people.

A bearded rabbi in his mid-40s, Marzel lives in the illegal Jewish settler outpost of Tel Rumeida in Hebron's Old town in an apartment that looks more
of a military garrison than a normal home.

And above all, there are a dozen Israeli soldiers standing guard inside
their watchtowers, equipped with binoculars, with their automatic rifles
turned towards Palestinian neighbourhoods.

Like all religious Zionists, Marzel is indoctrinated in the ideology of Messianic Zionism which teaches that the Jewish Messiah or Redeemer will not appear until Palestine is "cleansed" of non-Jews.

Massacre

As a result, Marzel and his friends, such as his former friend and comrade Baruch Goldstein, the perpetrator of the Hebron massacre in 1994, is trying
to expedite the coming of the Redeemer.

Interestingly, his means to do that is nothing but violence and terror
against Palestinian civilians, including his own neighbours, the Abu Haikal family - a continuous target of his harassment.

A few years ago, he shot and killed a 15-year-Palestinian boy, Ibrahim
Idris, who was visiting from Amman. Marzel claimed the boy threw a stone at
him and he had to defend himself.

A year-and-a-half ago, Marzel was arrested (and released) for conspiring to plant a bomb at an Arab school.

Marzel believes there is no room for Arabs and non-Jews in general, not only
in Hebron, but in Palestine as a whole.

His stance on the peace process is predictable.

"God gave us this land and we have no right to give any of it away," he
says.

Marzel's ideas are by no means marginal in Israeli society. They are
espoused by hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers and their supporters,
who are affiliated in one way or the other with the messianic Zionist
movement, known as Gush Emunim.

Opposition Gush Emunim vehemently opposes any peaceful settlement between Israel and the Palestinians involving Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in 1967.

Their vitriolic opposition is based on a religious conviction that the
creation of Israel in Palestine in 1948 heralded the beginning of the messianic age and process of redemption for the Jewish people.

Therefore, Israel was referred to in religious Zionists' prayers as "the
first flowering of our redemption" .

For many years, Gush Emunim leaders and rabbis were deliberately vague or ambivalent about the Palestinians.

In the 1970s and early 1980s, for example, Gush Emunim leaders and rabbis calculated that through a combination of unrelenting coercion and continued settlement expansion, the Arabs, or most of them, would leave "voluntarily" after realising that they had no future in "Eretz Yisrael" (the Land of Israel).

Gush Emunim sought to realise this prophecy by waging a murderous terrorist campaign against Palestinians, their institutions and even their religious places.

For example, in the late 1970s, Jewish extremists planned to attack the Dome
of the Rock, using rockets stolen form the Israeli army.

Bloodshed

Interestingly, when the extremists were eventually caught, they told their interrogators that all they wanted to do was to expedite the coming of the Messiah by triggering violence and bloodshed on a very large scale which
they thought would induce and accelerate the appearance of the redeemer.

In 1982, Gush Emunim terrorists attacked the campus of the University of Hebron, killing two students and injuring many. The killers were eventually pardoned by a Presidential decree.

The bloodiest attack by Gush Emunim on the Palestinians was carried out by Goldstein in 1994 during the holy Muslim month of Ramadan, when Muslims were praying at dawn at the Ibrahimi Mosque in downtown Hebron.

While Israeli officials publicly condemned the carnage, Gush Emunim leaders, including Marzel, Noam Federman, and others, openly praised the criminal
act, hailing Goldstein a "saint who carried out the Lord's will".

In fact, the settlers went as far as erecting a shrine in honour of
Goldstein in Kiryat Araba, which became a pilgrimage attraction for
extremist Jews from around the world.

However, as these and other crimes failed to make the Palestinians leave,
Gush Emunim leaders began to openly advocate the idea of "transfer" or expulsion of the Palestinians from the territories.

Some Gush Emunim leaders equivocate and prevaricate when confronted with the issue of transfer, especially when talking to a non-Jewish audience or the media.

Supremacy

For example, an Israeli National Religious Party leader Eifi Eitam wrote recently that Palestinians "who choose to stay in the land of Israel will
have to recognise the supremacy of the Jews in this land."

The same idea was voiced by Rabbi Yesheyahu Magnes, from Mirkaz Ha'arv, Gush Emunim's theological headquarters.

"If the Arabs want to stay, they will have to come to terms with the fact
that they live in a Jewish state."

When asked if he would support giving the Palestinians and non-Jews in
general "equal political and civil rights," Magnes evaded the question.

"There is no country in the world where a minority enjoys absolute equal political and civil rights," he said.

However, when reminded that an American Jew, Sen Joseph Leiberman, was
nearly elected as Vice-President of the US a few years ago, the rabbi
retorted that "it was because he was Jewish that he lost."

Magnes would not spell out the implications entailed in non-Jews accepting
to live under Jewish rule.

However, according to Halacha, or Jewish rule, a gentile permitted to reside
in the Land of Israel "must accept to pay a tax and suffer the humiliation
of servitude" and that such a gentile "be held down and not raise his head against Jews."

In the final analysis, however, Gush Emunim rejects as a matter of principle the presence of the Palestinians west of the River Jordan, on no other
account than their being "goyem" or non-Jews.

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From: Charles Shaw (Newtopia)
To: populist-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Ken Humphry and [populist-talk] gives his reasons for blocking "conspiracy theorist" Eastman ( a lesson in thinking here)


Kenneth, my friend, you have my sympathies. What a raving loony!

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My reply:

My, what interesting thing to say about the guy showing the Pentagon photo evidence!

"Raving" means either to talk irrationally in or as if in delirium. Since Charlie cannot hear me talk he must mean that my presentation of evidence showing that the Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon is somehow irrational.

Let's see. I show pictures of a hole in the Pentagon wall that is too small
to accomodate a Boeing 757, and show that interior wall is still standing exactly where a Boeing starboard wing engine would have had to have smashed through had it been a Boeing 757 that nosed into column #14 and conclude
that this is an indication that Flight 77 was not the plane that crashed creating that hole. Irrational?

Let's see again. I show the DoD's own released pictures from the security camera showing 1) the absense of the long Boeing 757 fuselage where it definitely should be sticking out ahead of the visible tail fin in the
picture; 2) the unmistakable thick missile smoke trailing immediately behind and below that tail fin, indicative of a missile being fired into the wall ahead of the collision of the attacking jet; and 3) a white-hot explosion
200 feet high, indicative of the high-explosives of a missile warhead, and
not at all what would be seen from an aluminum plane filled with people and jet-fuel kerosene (which only burns red-orange). And I conclude from this evidence again indication that Flight 77 was not the killer jet.

Let's see again. I plot the actual trail of physical damage, starting with
the lamp posts that were brought down by the killer jet, next the entry hole
in the outer wall of the outermost ring of the Pengtagon, and finally the
exit hole made in the innermost exterior wall of the C-ring to establish the path of the killer jet. Next, I examine and compare all the witness
testimony of those who saw the Boeing approach the Pentagon and remark,
based on this review, that witnesses place the Boeing along a path that goes
in a straight line over the Sheraton Hotel, over the Naval Annex, over the
gas station -- having communicated with key witnesses (Riskus and Lagasse)
as well as mainstream and pro-official-story accounts of witness statements exclusively -- concluding, based on maps and aerial photos, that the two paths -- that of the killer jet through the five downed poles and through
the two holes made in the walls -- simply cannot be the path of the plane
that the witnesses saw on a different path, completely to the north of the killer jet path.

Has Ken Humphry ever addressed this in any post? Has Charlie? Has
Woodford?

But there are other definition of "raving" : "to move or advance violently" "and to speak with extreme enthusiasm"

Is it raving to yell fire or scoop up babies and run out the door when a theater you are in is really on fire and the flames are spreading fast?

Is it really raving to forcfully present evidence that shows that an attack
on the United States was really staged by the Defense Industry, the Oil Industry, the anti-Arab Zionist's controlling the Defense Department, and
the great drug lords, when if fact others have presented detailed evidence indicating that these are all one and the same group of ruling-elite
killers.


And "lunatic" can mean either clinically insane -- obviously I am not
his -- or else, wildly foolish.

So I put it to you: Is the kind of evidence and the proofs derived from
that evidence "wildly foolish?"

Or would it be in the interest of those attempting to conceal a crime of mass-murder of US citizens to forment a series profitable wars -- people
who have no way of disproving the evidence assembled that prove the guilt of the criminals -- to attempt to suppress those who have discovered the facts
by calling those astute investigators "raving lunatics."

Do my presentations of evidence warrent the characterization "raving
lunatic" in any way? If not -- if there is no reasonable basis for that accusation, then must you not question the motives of three men who would represent an honest man of intelligence and good will who is seeking to
present the facts to his fellow citizens as a "raving lunatic?" Why would citizens who want only the truth, why would they seek to discredit a man as
a lunatic who has only been presenting solid relevant hard evidence in the
most reasonable way?

C. M. Woodford, Ken Humphry, and Charlie are acting suspicously -- not
raving, not insane, but like men who are guilty of being part of something
who are seeking to keep that something concealed for what are probably very powerful self-serving reasons.

Let me know if you agree.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
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From: Kenneth Humphrey
To: populist-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:20 AM
Subject: [populist-talk] Conspiracy Theorists

Charles, in terms of your email concerning Eastman's conspiracy theory
about the NYC twin tower attack, this is the same sort of crap he
relentlessly emailed reams of stuff about the attack on the Pentagon. You
can see why I blocked Eastman quite a while ago. I for one have no time for such conspiracy fruitcakes as Eastman. ... Eastman clearly hangs on to his distorted view of events without paying the slightest heed to what any other group talker reflects. ... Since first encountering Eastman I have considered him and his goofy stuff to be a collossal waste of
time. ... I agree with you that if he goes over the edge into advocating and carrying out the sort of mischief that the LaRouchite cultists have had a
track record for, that no self-respecting activist will have anything to do with Eastman or his 'projects', nor even have even the slightest contact
with the guy. I certainly have no intention of relating to Eastman or his
goofy irrational claims.

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Eastman replies:


To those who have not yet taken Humphrey's hint and blocked my posts after reading the above.

Humphry blocks the Pentagon attack evidence.

Humphry has no time to give it attention.

Humphry have not been checking the evidence I am offering since "quite awhile ago."

Humphry has judged me as "a conspiracy fruitcake" he says "since first encountering him."

So when was he ever willing to look at the empirical evidence for an honest check of the conclusions I have drawn from the various photos and broad
witness agreement.

Humphry does not even bother to that my most recent posting -- the one
that occasioned his letter to Charlie, on the "WTC" was, was only a
forwarding of John Kaminski's article on the subject.

Tell me, if I forward one of Kenneth Humphrey's own posts to you all, would Humphry then automatically reject all his own thinking out of hand because
of his then damning association with me through the sinister processes of my "forwarding" something he wrote.

I submit this challenge: Kenneth Humphry could not even state what the
nature of the evidence is that I have been showing people regarding the Pentagon -- he could not state what it shows, what conclusions are derived
from simple inspection of photo evidence and from simple belief of what multiple witnesses have confirmed on certain points. Ken Humphry, by his
own admission above, rejected me the "from the first encounter" and never
gave the evidence I bring to people any careful examination or attention whatsoever.

ANYONE WHO TAKES KEN HUMPHRY'S WORD ON THE IMPLICATIONS AND VALIDITY OF THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED BY INVESTIGATORS LIKE ME, GIVEN WHAT HE ADMITS ABOUT HIS ATTITUDE AND HIS CONTACT WITH WHAT HE IS REJECTING -- WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRETTY DIM BULB SHEEP HERSELF, WOULDN'T SHE (OR HE)?

Dick Eastman
Yakima

===================

Now lets take another leading critic of the small-plane theory, C.E.
Woodford:

As you read his response to the small-plane evidence, see if you can count
the points of mine that he refutes with counter evidence or sound argument:

That's great Dick, ramble on baby!!! Dick, I could care less about your educational "qualifications", I also hold a degree, it means NOTHING to me,
my mother is a professor and I come from a family of educators, you present "evidence" that is credible to a very very small minority of people, I don't think even Art Bell would buy into your "theories" nor would he accept your "evidence" as credible, I too can scan the internet for sites that will back
up anything I dream up, as I have asked before, get me evidence backed by a CREDIBLE news scource, do you do it? NEVER, then you have the audacity, when you are cornered, to blame it all on the Jews, well DICK, fuck that, your arguements don't hold true. But, that's neither here nor there, your "theories" almost always have a Jew conspiracy undertone, you back up ...nevermind DICK, lets just say we aren't on the same page on ...anything,
and don't misunderstand me Dick! , I am all about questioning authority, however, you question
authority and when you don't gert the answer you think you should get, you misconstrue it to fit your "conspiracy" of the day, and Dick, you don't need
to be a Dr. to see that you need help, it is as obvious as balls on a dog,
now why don't you stop wasting time with me and go dream up another mass conspiracy..

Have a nice day Dick!

Dick Eastman <silver@nwinfo.net> wrote:
"C. E. Woodford" <lotustrail@yahoo.com> wrote:Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003
08:40:35 -0700


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Did you get Woodward's arguments against the small-plane findings? Let's review these arguments:

1) Art Bell would not agree with them.

2) Woodward can scan the internet for conspiracy theories, thus that is how
I must have come by my views

3) The claim that I was once "cornered" and that I responded to this "cornering",. by "Blaming it on the Jews."

4) There is a "Jew theory undertone,

5) I question authority and when I don't get answers I misconstrue the lack
of answer to fit "my conspiracy theory"

Got all that? THose are the reasons he has for rejecting 1) the too short aircraft; 2) the recording of the missile being fired by the attacking
plane; 3) the hole that could not accomodate the Boeing; 4) the witnesses
who, whatching the Boeing approach the Pentagon, all place moving over the Sheraton, the Annex, the gas station on a path north of the downed poles --
to crash point -- to final exit hole path.

Does anyone see how Woodford's arguments for ignoring my findings answers
any of my strictly evidence-based conclusions, wherein I admit only substantiated photo evidence and witness testimony and derive from those
only things that can be seen by anyone and everyone by simple direct
inspection -- something obviously neither Ken Humphry nor C.E. Woodword
have ever done.

Is there any third party reading this discussion who can put their name to a defense of the stance and argumentation of Humphry and/or Woodford? I see nothing but disgrace for both of them in their showing here.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

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