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American's are putting in longer hours on the job now than we did in
the 1950s, despite promises of a coming age of leisure before the year
2000.

In fact, we're working more than medieval peasants did, and more than
the citizens of any other industrial country.

Mandatory overtime is at near record levels, in spite of a recession.

On average, we work nearly nine full weeks (350 hours) LONGER per year
than our peers in Western Europe do.

Working Americans average a little over two weeks of vacation per
year, while Europeans average five to six weeks.

OVERWORK HURTS ALL OF US IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

Overwork threatens our health. It leads to fatigue, accidents and
injuries. It reduces time for exercise and encourages consumption of calorie-laden fast foods. Job stress and burnout costs our economy
more than $200 billion a year.

Overwork threatens our marriages, families and relationships as we
find less time for each other, less time to care for our children and
elders, less time to just hang out.

It weakens our communities. We have less time to know our neighbors,
supervise our young people, and volunteer.

It reduces employment as fewer people are hired and then required to
work longer hours, or are hired for poor part-time jobs without
benefits.

It leaves many of us with little time to vote, much less be informed,
active citizens.

It leaves us little time for ourselves, for self-development, or for
spiritual growth.

It leads to growing neglect and abuse of pets.

It even contributes to the destruction of our environment. Studies
show that lack of time encourages use of convenience and throwaway
items and reduces recycling.

WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS EPIDEMIC OF TIME PRESSURE?

On Friday, October 24, 2003, thousands, perhaps millions, of Americans
will JUST SAY NO to the overwork, over-scheduling and overstress that
threaten to overwhelm our lives. They'll take the day or part of it
off work, and join in hundreds of activities to initiate a much-needed
national conversation about work/life balance and how we can reclaim
it.

The date falls nine weeks before the end of the year, making the point
that we Americans now work nine weeks more each year than Western
Europeans do.

For more information:
http://www.simpleliving.net/timeday/
Above lines were copied from there.

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If more Americans had more time to read and think, more would realize
what a bunch of horrific jerks we've got in the white house.

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"People in the United States work really hard, much harder than any
other advanced industrial society and this causes a lot of stress.
People are always concerned about their work and they live in fear.
Although there is a lot of crime in the United States, it is
approximately the same as comparable societies, but fear of crime is
far higher. In many ways, this is the most frightened nation in the
world!" Noam Chomsky

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Want to maintain a lopsided view of current events? Then stay tuned
to the major american news networks. If you want a more rounded view
of national and world events, then visit:

http://www.commondreams.org
http://www.indymedia.org
http://www.thenation.com
http://www.futurenet.org/current.html
http://www.populist.com/current.html


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"Hari" <Hari-Ohm@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:b90umvg306unjurrnddad08b4rtjtcnsub@4ax.com...

American's are putting in longer hours on the job now than we did in
the 1950s, despite promises of a coming age of leisure before the year
2000.

Screwed from one perspective.

Fiercely competitive and insanely wealthy
from another.

Besides, Americans love to play hard,
work hard and die hard.


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On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:05:01 -0500, Hari <Hari-Ohm@hotmail.com> wrote:

American's are putting in longer hours on the job now than we did in
the 1950s, despite promises of a coming age of leisure before the year
2000.

Shut up and get back to work...
Regards,

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I've read that back in the 40s and 50s, the average CEO made about 10
times more money than he paid his workers - now they make 100 or more
times that. So the situation has clearly worsened. Excessive greed has
really gotten out of hand, and screwed things up for the people -
resulting in a major deterioration of the american society. There's
plenty for everyone. The resources of this planet are not meant to be
hoarded by a few.

I can see a future where greed is an aspect of the past, where this dysfunctional human family of ours becomes functional, and the
resources are fairly distributed for the greater good of the people.
In the future robots will do most of the labor for us and people will
have much more leisure time. Eventually, our economic system will be
replaced with a complex barter system, and man's basic needs (food,
housing, healthcare, education) will be guaranteed for everyone in the
human family. Also, the politicians will be there to server the
people, and there will be a peace on earth, unlike any ever imagined.
It will be very, very good.

I know it's a bit much for many people, but a few genuinely open minds
might be able to imagine it.

And maybe this too:
http://www.share-international.org
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RH wrote:

I've read that back in the 40s and 50s, the average CEO made about 10
times more money than he paid his workers - now they make 100 or more
times that. So the situation has clearly worsened. Excessive greed has
really gotten out of hand, and screwed things up for the people -
resulting in a major deterioration of the american society. There's
plenty for everyone. The resources of this planet are not meant to be
hoarded by a few.

I can see a future where greed is an aspect of the past, where this dysfunctional human family of ours becomes functional, and the
resources are fairly distributed for the greater good of the people.
In the future robots will do most of the labor for us and people will
have much more leisure time. Eventually, our economic system will be
replaced with a complex barter system, and man's basic needs (food,
housing, healthcare, education) will be guaranteed for everyone in the
human family. Also, the politicians will be there to server the
people, and there will be a peace on earth, unlike any ever imagined.
It will be very, very good.

I know it's a bit much for many people, but a few genuinely open minds
might be able to imagine it.

Kum Ba Yah, my Lord. Kum Ba Yah.

Who gets to decide what is fair distribution of resources? You?
Who gets to pay for your list of guaranteed basic needs? Me?

Our economic system is currently a complex barter system. I just
bartered a day's work for food for my family for two weeks. We just
happen to use barter tokens called money.

Peace on Earth. Good will to men. Let's gather around the camp fire
and share Smores.

--
Dave
(The Other)

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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:34:41 -0500, hari <hari-Ohm@hotmail.com> wrote
this crap:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:42:00 GMT, "Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote:

'Insanely wealthy' only applies to a few - less than 5%. Also, it
depends on one's definition of the word "wealth". Is one who has no
time for his/her children or other loved one's- wealthy?

For some people, the game of making money is a place where they
hide/escape from others - for them making money is a neurotic
addiction - they simply can't get enough - like a 600 lb obese person
who can't get enough food.

Even if they have billions, I wouldn't consider them to be wealthy -
i'd consider them to be impovershed, I would pity them, and hope that
they find their way to a good psychologist or psychiatrist.

Why would you think they would need one?

One more thing, Americans are no better or worse than people from any
other country. The very idea that American's are better in anyway
than people from any other country is absurdly ignorant and vain.

You've never been outside the US, dumbass.



Hero@Horvath.net

Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:54:28 -0700, Dave Thompson
<dave.thompson@ask.forit> wrote this crap:

Our economic system is currently a complex barter system. I just
bartered a day's work for food for my family for two weeks. We just
happen to use barter tokens called money.

You spend your money on food? I spend most of my money on booze,
women, porn, and recreation. The rest of it, I waste.



Hero@Horvath.net

Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!
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Horvath wrote:

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:54:28 -0700, Dave Thompson
<dave.thompson@ask.forit> wrote this crap:

Our economic system is currently a complex barter system. I just
bartered a day's work for food for my family for two weeks. We just >>happen to use barter tokens called money.

You spend your money on food? I spend most of my money on booze,
women, porn, and recreation. The rest of it, I waste.

Hero@Horvath.net

Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Works! Of course, RH will have you in for readjustment of your attitude.

--
Dave
(The Other)

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RH wrote:

I've read that back in the 40s and 50s, the average CEO made about 10
times more money than he paid his workers - now they make 100 or more
times that. So the situation has clearly worsened. Excessive greed has really gotten out of hand, and screwed things up for the people -
resulting in a major deterioration of the american society. There's
plenty for everyone. The resources of this planet are not meant to be hoarded by a few.

I can see a future where greed is an aspect of the past, where this dysfunctional human family of ours becomes functional, and the
resources are fairly distributed for the greater good of the people.
In the future robots will do most of the labor for us and people will
have much more leisure time. Eventually, our economic system will be replaced with a complex barter system, and man's basic needs (food, housing, healthcare, education) will be guaranteed for everyone in the human family. Also, the politicians will be there to server the
people, and there will be a peace on earth, unlike any ever imagined.
It will be very, very good.

I know it's a bit much for many people, but a few genuinely open minds might be able to imagine it.

http://www.share-international.org

Kum Ba Yah, my Lord. Kum Ba Yah.

I know it's a bit much for most people. It's really not about
religion. As you know religions have caused lots of problems. The
original teachings of all the great spiritual teachers (Jesus, Gautama
Buddh, Krishna, Mohammed) were all distorted/corrupted by Their
followers after they 'departed'. If you boil the teachings from all
the great world religions down - they have much in common and
basically say - be good to each other. Guilt and fear are
non-productive, corrupting influences that were inserted by
un-enlightened church men.

Who gets to decide what is fair distribution of resources? You?

It'll be by consensus. The people in all the countries are basically
good. Most want a reasonable amount of work, a comfortable/decent
shelter, recreation, freedom to chose how they'll spend their time
both at work and at play, good food, good health care, a family and/or
friends, and a sense of belonging. If you're familiar with Maslow's
hierarchy of needs - then you'll recall that he pointed out that
people can't self-actualize until their basic needs are met.
Guaranteeing that this is taken care of for everyone - will allow the
human family to mature immensely, or to 'blossom'.

If you're not familiar with Maslow's hierarchy (and wouldlike to be)
see:
http://www.businessballs.com/maslow.htm

What is lacking is good leadership, especially in the USA. Our
politicians serve the corporations, the lobbys, NOT the people. They
tell us it's a democracy - but when Bush was appointed by the Supreme
court - some backed down and said 'well actually it's a republic'. Not
too many know that in fact we live under a totalitarian regime - a
small handfull of billionaires control the politics, economics, and
news media - they make the decisions - then fool the people into
thinking that they made the decisions. The wool has been pulled over
the people's eyes.

Who gets to pay for your list of guaranteed basic needs? Me?

We'll all pay for it, but robots will do most of the manual labor.
There's plenty for everyone - the greed of a few screws it up for
everyone. When the human family becomes functional - things will be
much better for everyone. Crime rates will sink, leisure time for
everyone (except for those who insist on being workaholics) will
increase a great deal too. We'll have much more freedom. The
international borders will be wide open, and international travel will
be easily affordable by everyone. Respect for the environment will be
a major consideration that the people will demand, too.

Our economic system is currently a complex barter system. I just
bartered a day's work for food for my family for two weeks. We just
happen to use barter tokens called money.

Right, but it will be vastly improved. Right now a carpenter in San
Antonio Texas might make 15.00 per hour. 200 miles south in Mexico the
same carpenter
would be lucky to earn the same amount in a full day. That doesn't
make sense - we can do much better than that. One of the things that
we'll see is an economic leveling where everyone becomes much more
equal. We've been conditioned since the cradle to compete. All of the
harmful aspects of competition will be replaced with cooperation. In
most forms of competition there are winners and losers. It doesn't
have to be that way. Everyone can be a winner, and nobody should be
made to feel like they are substandard. We've also been conditioned
to beleive that material wealth is a measure of a person's degree of
success - and that it proves that wealthy people are better than
others - that's false and is a form of harmful competition. It's one
of the things that we'll grow out of. We're all family and we can all
have a great time.

Don't worry - the changes will be gradual. Many people - especially
the most wealthy, love the capitalistic system that we have now and
are violently opposed to any changes, but whether they like it or not
- the changes will come. They will be desired/demanded by the vast
majority - the US has never seen a gov't that is truly by and for the
people, with liberty and justice for all - those are dreamy and
unrealized ides. Our gov't has grown more corrupt with time. It's
almost time for the tables to be turned.

The future gov't will be a form of Social democracy where the needs of
the people are given more value than the desires of those who would
purchase influence from the corrupt politicians. People will be better
informed and will participate in the democratic process. Only the
truth will set us free.

Peace on Earth. Good will to men. Let's gather around the camp fire
and share Smores.

Yeh! Peace on earth unlike any you ever dreamed of brother - coming
soon -
to mankind.


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Facts about humanity's beautiful future

----------------------

o A new sense of oneness will replace the present sense of separation.
This will demonstrate as brotherhood, justice, and sharing.

o We will enter an era of tranquility and peaceuin exact proportion to
the present discord. The violence and hatred of today will be
transmuted into goodwill.

o A new livingness will characterize our relationships and
institutions; a new freedom and sense of joy will replace the present
fear.

o Contributions by the highest type of artists will lead to a
regeneration of our lives. Everyone will become creative in his or her
living in an altogether new way.

o The family will gain, not lose, importance as the basic unit of
society.

o A new science, the psychology of the soul, will be the basis of all
future educational efforts and will transform life for both the child
and the teacher.

o The media will have a very responsible role to play in education.

o Gradually, the worst areas of slums and decayed buildings in the
major cities will go. They will be replaced by recreational parkland
and by ordinary housing, on a human scale, interspersed with parks and
shopping areas.

o New buildings will be quite different in shape from buildings of the
past. Some of them, by their very shape, will focus and accumulate
particular energies.

o Transportation systems will be devised which will be so silent, so
apparently motionless, that travel fatigue will completely disappear.

o The growing concern for nature and environment will be embodied in legislation, universally accepted, and will lead to a wise husbandry
of nature's gifts.

o There will be a new reverence for all manifestations of life, thus
bringing humanity into better alignment with the animal and other
sub-human kingdoms.

o Most farming will be organically based. This will enhance the
vitality and health of the people.

o A much simpler style of living will distinguish the coming
civilization.

o Humanity will be emancipated from the drudgery of needless work.
Machines will gradually take over the tasks of manufacture.

o Increased leisure will evoke undreamed-of skills and talents, allow
men and women to reach their full potential, and permit close
involvement in community and national life.

o Following a world stock market crash, a complete change in our
economic system will come about. A rational and sustainable economic
structure based on sufficiency will become the norm. Cooperation will
replace competition.


o There will be a phased, gradual transfer of resources from military
to civilian production, which will provide useful work for many.

o The blind following of market forces, whose myopic rule causes such
misery today, will give way to an enlightened and just consideration
for the needs of all.

o A new political/economic structureuDemocratic Socialism or Social Democracyuwill become the norm throughout the world.

o All political groupings will tend to the center. Extremes will be a
thing of the past.

o In the Middle East, governments elected by the people will replace
the present sheiks and emirs as rulers.

o In Latin America, a process of democratic consensus will unfold in
almost every country. The voice of the people will be heard, and land
will be redistributed and given to them.

o National and cultural identities will be maintained, but barriers
will be taken away so that passports will no longer be necessary to
travel from country to country.

o The world's legal matters, which concern global issues such as the exploration of the seabed, will be governed by international law.

o The United Nations will be the central debating, law-giving forum
for the nations of the world.

o As a result of the changed conditions on earthuthe reduction of
tension and fear, greater leisure, the eradication of disease, new
meaning and impetus to lifeuthe health of mankind will improve
enormously and the physical body will take longer to awear out.'

o The alternative medicines of today will take their place beside the
more orthodox methods.

o Healing waters will be discovered, one by one, which will help
cleanse the physical body.

o We will understand that there is no such thing as death, but simply
a shift of consciousness from this to another plane.

o The desire to know better the nature of God and to come into closer relationship with that Divinity will become paramount in the lives of
millions.

o Humanity will be taught the great science of invocation, which will
take the place of worship and prayer as we know it today.

o Methods and technology will be found to demonstrate the fact that
everything is energy.

o By understanding the technology of light, physicists will discover
how to control matter, distance and timeuand how to neutralize toxic
waste and stockpiles of nuclear weapons.

o The fusion process of nuclear powerua cold, safe, wasteless process
using a simple isotope of water, universally availableuwill solve all humanity's future power needs.

o By the end of this century, we will build structures with the
scientific use of sound.

o We will accept the fact that all the planets are inhabited and that
we are all brothers and friends. Gradually, we will take our place in
the cosmic brotherhood.

###

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Dave Thompson wrote:

RH wrote:

I've read that back in the 40s and 50s, the average CEO made about 10
times more money than he paid his workers - now they make 100 or more
times that. So the situation has clearly worsened. Excessive greed has
really gotten out of hand, and screwed things up for the people -
resulting in a major deterioration of the american society. There's
plenty for everyone. The resources of this planet are not meant to be
hoarded by a few.

I can see a future where greed is an aspect of the past, where this
dysfunctional human family of ours becomes functional, and the
resources are fairly distributed for the greater good of the people.
In the future robots will do most of the labor for us and people will
have much more leisure time. Eventually, our economic system will be
replaced with a complex barter system, and man's basic needs (food,
housing, healthcare, education) will be guaranteed for everyone in the
human family. Also, the politicians will be there to server the
people, and there will be a peace on earth, unlike any ever imagined.
It will be very, very good.

I know it's a bit much for many people, but a few genuinely open minds
might be able to imagine it.

Kum Ba Yah, my Lord. Kum Ba Yah.

Who gets to decide what is fair distribution of resources? You?
Who gets to pay for your list of guaranteed basic needs? Me?

Our economic system is currently a complex barter system. I just
bartered a day's work for food for my family for two weeks. We just
happen to use barter tokens called money.

Do feel as though your employer is bartering a fair amount of tokens for
the work you do?

I think it is becoming more and more a problem of being cheated out of
their fair share for most workers ...those that can still get work in
this country. The company owners and executives want to keep it all for themselves, and continue to screw the people who do all the work.

Peace on Earth. Good will to men. Let's gather around the camp fire
and share Smores.

--
Dave
(The Other)

--
Wesley Clark for President!
http://www.DraftWesleyClark.com

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Michael <paradaddy@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<u5Mcb.2017$307.1880@news02.roc.ny>...

Dave Thompson wrote:

Kum Ba Yah, my Lord. Kum Ba Yah.

Who gets to decide what is fair distribution of resources? You?
Who gets to pay for your list of guaranteed basic needs? Me?

Our economic system is currently a complex barter system. I just
bartered a day's work for food for my family for two weeks. We just happen to use barter tokens called money.

Do feel as though your employer is bartering a fair amount of tokens for
the work you do?

I think it is becoming more and more a problem of being cheated out of
their fair share for most workers ...those that can still get work in
this country. The company owners and executives want to keep it all for themselves, and continue to screw the people who do all the work.

Long Live the Struggle against the Capitalist Oppresssmph!!! Help! I'm
being oppressed!!
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Dez Akin wrote:

Michael <paradaddy@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<u5Mcb.2017$307.1880@news02.roc.ny>...

Dave Thompson wrote:

Kum Ba Yah, my Lord. Kum Ba Yah.

Who gets to decide what is fair distribution of resources? You?
Who gets to pay for your list of guaranteed basic needs? Me?

Our economic system is currently a complex barter system. I just >>>bartered a day's work for food for my family for two weeks. We just >>>happen to use barter tokens called money.

Do feel as though your employer is bartering a fair amount of tokens for >>the work you do?

I think it is becoming more and more a problem of being cheated out of >>their fair share for most workers ...those that can still get work in
this country. The company owners and executives want to keep it all for >>themselves, and continue to screw the people who do all the work.

Long Live the Struggle against the Capitalist Oppresssmph!!! Help! I'm
being oppressed!!

The United States is a democracy. For the people, by the people.
Capitalism is not a form of government, you have that confused with
economics. A free and democratic society should not be ruled by the capitalists. When that happens, it IS a form of oppression.

--
Wesley Clark for President!
http://www.DraftWesleyClark.com

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On 26 Sep 2003 00:41:10 -0700, dezakin@usa.net (Dez Akin) wrote this
crap:

Long Live the Struggle against the Capitalist Oppresssmph!!! Help! I'm
being oppressed!!

Get a job, dumbass.


Hero@Horvath.net

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Dez Akin wrote:

Long Live the Struggle against the Capitalist Oppresssmph!!! Help! I'm being oppressed!!

The United States is a democracy.

That's what we're led to beleive. If it were true, then why would they
let the supreme court appoint the president? Why would the rich get
richer and the poor get poorer?

For the people, by the people.

If only that were true! For the rich, at the expense of the people.
We're fast approaching the demise of capitalism. It's done a pretty
good job for lots of people, but there are better ways. Money is like
manure - it should be spread around.

Capitalism is not a form of government, you have that confused with economics. A free and democratic society should not be ruled by the capitalists.
When that happens, it IS a form of oppression.

Right, but capitalism controls our government. Why do the politicians
for the most part, only listen to and act for those who have loads of
money? Everyone knows that in the eyes of the rich and powerful -
you're nobody unless you have lots of money. The rich are playing with
loaded dice, because they have tremendous political influence.
Unfortunately, that's how our country was designed - it's always been
the case.

Back in the days of slavery the rich worried constantly about
rebellion - they noticed that the free workers/servants were on
friendly terms with the slaves, so they created an upper middle class
of people (mostly formerly indentured servants) who were paid 4 or
more times more than the average worker - so that they would take
sides with the super rich and fiercly defend them. That was brilliant
and still helps them to maintain control and make obscene profits
today.

Serious campaign finance reform would have been great, but it would
have spoiled their party so they've put that idea out to pasture.

NY Times web headlines today (9/26):
Number of People Living in Poverty in U.S. Increases Again
By LYNETTE CLEMETSON 5:37 PM ET
For the second straight year, the proportion of Americans living in
poverty rose in 2002, the Census Bureau reported today... http://www.nytimes.com/

It's the same old story- the rich get richer while the poor get
poorer. Does anyone think that is the will of the people? Wouldn't
most people like to see a world (or at least a country) where every
worker is paid a living wage? Lots of people who are impoverished in
the US do have full time jobs. In a true democracy the people would
not allow that old sorry story to continue.

sorry to be so long winded!

RH

If you have ever suffered through a boring history class then you owe
it to yourself and your fellow American's to get and read a copy of
Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States." He provides
lots of interesting information on things that standard history books
gloss over or skip - things that the ruling elite would prefer people
not to know about.

A People's History of the United States: 1492 to Present
by Howard Zinn

Amazon has used copies for about $8 and up -
http://www.amazon.com
----------------
I've heard that it's the only book ever to sell more copies every year
than the previous year.
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On 26 Sep 2003 18:19:00 -0700, halcon7roho@yahoo.com (RH) wrote this
crap:

Michael <paradaddy@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<7R%cb.208$wu5.3@news01.roc.ny>...

Dez Akin wrote:

Long Live the Struggle against the Capitalist Oppresssmph!!! Help! I'm
being oppressed!!

The United States is a democracy.

That's what we're led to beleive.

That's what the liberal press keeps telling you. The US is really a
Republic.

If it were true, then why would they
let the supreme court appoint the president?

When did that happen? The Supreme Court merely stopped the illegal
recounting.

Why would the rich get
richer and the poor get poorer?

Really? Do you know any poor people that are getting poorer?



Hero@Horvath.net

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RH wrote:

Michael <paradaddy@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:<7R%cb.208$wu5.3@news01.roc.ny>...

Dez Akin wrote:

Long Live the Struggle against the Capitalist Oppresssmph!!! Help! I'm being oppressed!!

The United States is a democracy.

That's what we're led to beleive. If it were true, then why would they
let the supreme court appoint the president?

If he was appointed, then he gets to serve 2 more full terms. After
going over all the details, I find that Bush was elected and the Supreme
Court merely stopped the FL Supreme Court from screwing up the vote
totals. That's their job.

Why would the rich get

richer and the poor get poorer?

The rich work harder and have fewer children. What is "rich"?
According to Clinton it is everyone making over $32,000 per year. At
that point they start taxing Social Security. Clinton said that only
the "rich" would have their SS taxed.

For the people, by the people.

If only that were true! For the rich, at the expense of the people.

Everyone has one vote.....

We're fast approaching the demise of capitalism.

To be replaced by??????

It's done a pretty

good job for lots of people, but there are better ways.

Not the "government of the proletariat" again, is it? I think that has
proved a dismal failure.

Money is like

manure - it should be spread around.

Something tells me you have lots of experience in this line....

Capitalism is not a form of government, you have that confused with economics. A free and democratic society should not be ruled by the capitalists.
When that happens, it IS a form of oppression.

Right, but capitalism controls our government. Why do the politicians
for the most part, only listen to and act for those who have loads of
money?

Campaign cash. I thought everyone knew that.

Everyone knows that in the eyes of the rich and powerful -

you're nobody unless you have lots of money. The rich are playing with
loaded dice, because they have tremendous political influence.
Unfortunately, that's how our country was designed - it's always been
the case.

How do you explain all the rich people who started out poor?

Back in the days of slavery the rich worried constantly about
rebellion - they noticed that the free workers/servants were on
friendly terms with the slaves, so they created an upper middle class
of people (mostly formerly indentured servants) who were paid 4 or
more times more than the average worker - so that they would take
sides with the super rich and fiercly defend them. That was brilliant
and still helps them to maintain control and make obscene profits
today.

Serious campaign finance reform would have been great, but it would
have spoiled their party so they've put that idea out to pasture.

Actually it was passed but the courts ruled it was contrary to the Constitution.
LZ


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