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Wow this is ancient, it's so interesting to look at these old conversations. I was literally 2 years old when you guys were talking about C compilers!!
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On Friday, October 23, 2020 at 3:02:34 PM UTC-4, inxanedev! wrote:

Wow this is ancient, it's so interesting to look at these old conversations. I was literally 2 years old when you guys were talking about C compilers!!

This is the big thing I really like about UseNet. Websites and blogs come and go, but this old plain-text thing is still in some low level of use today, and stretches back continuously to the 1980's and perhaps even earlier for some groups! I feel like, if anybody discovers something about the Apple II, they should stick it into a UseNet post for posterity's sake, so that our children in 2050 will still be able to find the info.
I wonder what is the earliest UseNet post relating to Apple 2 (or 1) that is still accessible today?
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"martin.doherty@undisclosed.com" <martindoherty377@gmail.com> writes:

On Friday, October 23, 2020 at 3:02:34 PM UTC-4, inxanedev! wrote:

Wow this is ancient, it's so interesting to look at these old
conversations. I was literally 2 years old when you guys were
talking about C compilers!!

This is the big thing I really like about UseNet. Websites and blogs
come and go, but this old plain-text thing is still in some low level
of use today, and stretches back continuously to the 1980's and
perhaps even earlier for some groups! I feel like, if anybody
discovers something about the Apple II, they should stick it into a
UseNet post for posterity's sake, so that our children in 2050 will
still be able to find the info.

I wonder what is the earliest UseNet post relating to Apple 2 (or 1)
that is still accessible today?

There was a recent Hacker News posting about Henry Spencer's Usenet
archive. You can download the whole bit from the '80s and on:

https://usenetarchives.com/

There's a mirror here of the tarballs:
http://www.skrenta.com/rt/utzoo-usenet/

Article 1 from comp.sys.apple (not apple2) was from November 1986.
Article 51 from net.micro.apple is from April 1983.

Those are the earliest articles I've found.


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In article <1646fd6d-645c-4afd-9ecc-6d1fd248c024n@googlegroups.com>, martin.doherty@undisclosed.com <martindoherty377@gmail.com> wrote:

I wonder what is the earliest UseNet post relating to Apple 2 (or 1)
that is still accessible today?

A couple minutes' searching through Google Groups found this post to comp.sys.apple (comp.sys.apple2's predecessor) from 6 November 1986:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.sys.apple/before$3A1986-12-1%7Csort:date/comp.sys.apple/54mQgZI8TR0/b8l1Ju_bAB8J

I'd had my IIe not quite a year and a half at that point, and was a
high-school sophomore at an American (DoDDS) high school in what was still
West Germany. Good times. :)

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awanderin wrote:

"martin.doherty@undisclosed.com" <martindoherty377@gmail.com> writes:

On Friday, October 23, 2020 at 3:02:34 PM UTC-4, inxanedev! wrote:

Wow this is ancient, it's so interesting to look at these old
conversations. I was literally 2 years old when you guys were
talking about C compilers!!

This is the big thing I really like about UseNet. Websites and blogs
come and go, but this old plain-text thing is still in some low level
of use today, and stretches back continuously to the 1980's and
perhaps even earlier for some groups! I feel like, if anybody
discovers something about the Apple II, they should stick it into a
UseNet post for posterity's sake, so that our children in 2050 will
still be able to find the info.

I wonder what is the earliest UseNet post relating to Apple 2 (or 1)
that is still accessible today?

There was a recent Hacker News posting about Henry Spencer's Usenet
archive. You can download the whole bit from the '80s and on:

I had the utzoo Usenet archives dating back to the 1980s online at the Mac
GUI Vault Usenet archive in fall 2009, over a decade ago.

Anyway, to answer your question, the earliest Apple II posts are found in net.micro.apple, dating back to spring 1983:
https://macgui.com/usenet/?group=6

and also in net.micro, which dates back almost a year earlier to May 1982: https://macgui.com/usenet/?stats=26

Apple Pascal I/O (June 1982): https://macgui.com/usenet/?group=26&id=32

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The New Apple II User's Guide:
https://macgui.com/newa2guide/

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On 2020-11-03 1:10 p.m., Scott Alfter wrote:

I'd had my IIe not quite a year and a half at that point, and was a high-school sophomore at an American (DoDDS) high school in what was still West Germany. Good times. :)

You were in Germany in the 80's too? I was in Canadian Forces Base Lahr
from 1983 to 1987. Did grades 11, 12, 13 and stuck around an extra year
and moved back to Canada when my father was posted back to CFB Borden.
My brother and I shared a TRS-80 Color Computer before I moved to
Germany and as he was going to college and not coming with us, I gave
him my half of the computer for his half of our Dungeons and Dragons stuff.

Got an Apple IIe with Disk ][ drive and Monitor II green screen on the
22nd of October, 1983.

My first use of the internet and usenet would have been around 1990.
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In article <rnsnsn$vvm$1@dont-email.me>,
Jeff Blakeney <CUTjeffrey_blakeney@yahoo.ca> wrote:

On 2020-11-03 1:10 p.m., Scott Alfter wrote:

I'd had my IIe not quite a year and a half at that point, and was a
high-school sophomore at an American (DoDDS) high school in what was still >> West Germany. Good times. :)

You were in Germany in the 80's too? I was in Canadian Forces Base Lahr >from 1983 to 1987. Did grades 11, 12, 13 and stuck around an extra year
and moved back to Canada when my father was posted back to CFB Borden.
My brother and I shared a TRS-80 Color Computer before I moved to
Germany and as he was going to college and not coming with us, I gave
him my half of the computer for his half of our Dungeons and Dragons stuff.

Dad was stationed at Ramstein AB from 1986 to '88. There were two sets of schools in the area (largest population of Americans outside the United
States at the time); I went to Kaiserslautern. DoDDS had mostly bought into the Atari 8-bit machines, but K-town had a couple of Apple IIs: a
German-spec IIe that belonged to the Air Force Junior ROTC squadron (that
one caught me out when it swapped Ys and Zs in what I was typing, until I
found the switch under the keyboard to fix it), and a IIGS (the new
hotness!) in the electronics lab. Didn't get to graduate there, though...we PCS'd from Ramstein to Nellis AFB, and I spent my last year of school in Las Vegas.

I think we stopped in at Lahr one weekend for gas and lunch while we were
out and about; if not that, then another Canadian base (was there another?).

Military-brat life's a hoot. :)

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On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 5:04:34 PM UTC-6, Scott Alfter wrote:

In article <rnsnsn$vvm$1...@dont-email.me>,
Jeff Blakeney <CUTjeffre...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

On 2020-11-03 1:10 p.m., Scott Alfter wrote:

I'd had my IIe not quite a year and a half at that point, and was a
high-school sophomore at an American (DoDDS) high school in what was still
West Germany. Good times. :)

You were in Germany in the 80's too? I was in Canadian Forces Base Lahr >from 1983 to 1987. Did grades 11, 12, 13 and stuck around an extra year >and moved back to Canada when my father was posted back to CFB Borden.
My brother and I shared a TRS-80 Color Computer before I moved to
Germany and as he was going to college and not coming with us, I gave
him my half of the computer for his half of our Dungeons and Dragons stuff. Dad was stationed at Ramstein AB from 1986 to '88. There were two sets of schools in the area (largest population of Americans outside the United States at the time); I went to Kaiserslautern. DoDDS had mostly bought into the Atari 8-bit machines, but K-town had a couple of Apple IIs: a German-spec IIe that belonged to the Air Force Junior ROTC squadron (that one caught me out when it swapped Ys and Zs in what I was typing, until I found the switch under the keyboard to fix it), and a IIGS (the new hotness!) in the electronics lab. Didn't get to graduate there, though...we PCS'd from Ramstein to Nellis AFB, and I spent my last year of school in Las Vegas.

I think we stopped in at Lahr one weekend for gas and lunch while we were out and about; if not that, then another Canadian base (was there another?).

Military-brat life's a hoot. :)
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/ v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
(IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
\_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

I was stationed at Spangdahlem AB, northwest of Ramstein, from July 83 to September 86. Had an Apple II+ and bought The Newsroom which I used to produce a newsletter from the radar air traffic control facility at Spang for the 52nd Tac Fighter Wing at Spang. I also expanded the memory from 48k to 64k by buying a 16k ram card on the economy.
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On 2020-11-04 6:04 p.m., Scott Alfter wrote:

Dad was stationed at Ramstein AB from 1986 to '88. There were two
sets of schools in the area (largest population of Americans outside
the United States at the time); I went to Kaiserslautern. DoDDS had
mostly bought into > the Atari 8-bit machines, but K-town had a
couple of Apple IIs: a German-spec IIe that belonged to the Air Force
Junior ROTC squadron (that one caught me out when it swapped Ys and
Zs in what I was typing, until I found the switch under the keyboard
to fix it), and a IIGS (the new hotness!) in the electronics lab.
Didn't get to graduate there, though...we PCS'd from Ramstein to
Nellis AFB, and I spent my last year of school in Las Vegas.

Cool. We overlapped a bit. Don't think I ever got near Ramstein. The Canadian Forces Exchange, our grocery/department stores, only had
Commodore 64s when I first got there. I was VERY close to getting one
but early in October they got in the IIe machines. I had heard of Apple computers before but never seen one. Bought a couple magazines and
played with the demo machine in the store and decided I liked it better
than the C64. My parents paid for it, I gave up my weekly allowance and
when I got a summer job, and later a part time job, I paid them back for it.

I think we stopped in at Lahr one weekend for gas and lunch while we
were out and about; if not that, then another Canadian base (was
there another?).

There was another base in Baden Baden which was farther north than Lahr.
The only other Canadians in Europe at the time were in Shape, Belgium.

Military-brat life's a hoot. :)

Ain't it though? I'm glad to have been brought up that way, though.
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Military-brat life's a hoot. :)

Ain't it though? I'm glad to have been brought up that way, though.

Funny you guys should talk about being military brats. My unit stopped over at one of Germany's bases for one night on the way to Iran/Iraq for peace keeping in '87.
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