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    From andrea@andrea@modelNOSPAMberg.com (Andrea) to comp.sys.apple2 on Monday, July 21, 2003 21:14:11
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    Hello to all!

    Can anyone help me identifying this card?

    http://andrea.modelberg.it/images/mistery.jpg

    Looks like a 256K memory card, judging from the memory chips fitted,
    with space left for 768K more memory.

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  • From Michael Pender@mpender@hotmail.com to comp.sys.apple2 on Monday, July 21, 2003 22:07:15
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    Hello to all!

    Can anyone help me identifying this card?

    http://andrea.modelberg.it/images/mistery.jpg


    I'm sure you are right that it is a memory expansion card, after all it does say "AII Memory Expansion" on it. But I've never an Apple II memory card
    with the ram chips socketed in that pattern before. Usually the chips are grouped together in quadrants.

    - Mike


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  • From Bill Garber@willy46pa@comcast.net to comp.sys.apple2 on Monday, July 21, 2003 18:49:50
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    "Michael Pender" <mpender@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:nuZSa.10303$Qe5.3964@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
    Hello to all!

    Can anyone help me identifying this card?

    http://andrea.modelberg.it/images/mistery.jpg


    I'm sure you are right that it is a memory expansion card, after all it
    does
    say "AII Memory Expansion" on it. But I've never an Apple II memory card with the ram chips socketed in that pattern before. Usually the chips are grouped together in quadrants.

    Maybe someone was just messing around and decided that
    looked KOOL and left it like that. Kids. ;-)

    Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprises };-)
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  • From quadrajet1@quadrajet1@aol.com (Quadrajet1) to comp.sys.apple2 on Monday, July 21, 2003 23:18:54
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    << "Michael Pender" <mpender@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:nuZSa.10303$Qe5.3964@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
    Hello to all!

    Can anyone help me identifying this card?

    http://andrea.modelberg.it/images/mistery.jpg


    I'm sure you are right that it is a memory expansion card, after all it
    does
    say "AII Memory Expansion" on it. But I've never an Apple II memory card with the ram chips socketed in that pattern before. Usually the chips are grouped together in quadrants.

    Maybe someone was just messing around and decided that
    looked KOOL and left it like that. Kids. ;-) >>

    It's the Apple brand card, and yes, it is supposed to be populated like that.
    When you add another 256K you put a chip to the left of an existing one so you will still have extra spaces between chips. Weird, yes.

    Raymond
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  • From willi@willi@wilserv.com (Willi Kusche) to comp.sys.apple2 on Monday, July 21, 2003 23:37:18
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    Hi, y'all!

    "Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<B86cnfC4KfqL84GiXTWJjw@comcast.com>...
    "Michael Pender" <mpender@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:nuZSa.10303$Qe5.3964@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
    Hello to all!
    Can anyone help me identifying this card? http://andrea.modelberg.it/images/mistery.jpg
    I'm sure you are right that it is a memory expansion card, after all it
    does
    say "AII Memory Expansion" on it. But I've never an Apple II memory card with the ram chips socketed in that pattern before. Usually the chips are grouped together in quadrants.

    Maybe someone was just messing around and decided that
    looked KOOL and left it like that. Kids. ;-)

    The chip pattern is correct. To add 256K of memory, insert eight
    256K x 1 chips, each one immediately to the left of one already on the
    card. The card has test logic in the ROM. To test the card, insert
    the card into slot 2, run "BASIC.SYSTEM", enter 'CALL -151' and then
    'C20AG'. That's a zero in 'C20AG'.

    The RAMFactor card by Applied Engineering is very similar. Same
    test sequence. But the RAMFactor also has partitioning software in
    its ROM so you can set up DOS 3.3, Pascal, or CP/M partitions on the
    RAMDisk, in addition to ProDOS.

    Willi
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  • From andrea@andrea@modelNOSPAMberg.com (Andrea) to comp.sys.apple2 on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 06:45:07
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    On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:14:11 GMT, andrea@modelNOSPAMberg.com (Andrea)
    wrote:

    Hello to all!

    Can anyone help me identifying this card?

    http://andrea.modelberg.it/images/mistery.jpg

    Ok, guys, so far you all have guessed pretty much everything I already
    guessed by myself :-) Maybe some more precise questions are necessary.
    Namely, which kind of Apple ][ does it fit in AND work with? Since it
    is shaped like going into a standard Apple slot (as opposed to all the
    memory expansion I've seen so far, which fit in a IIe auxiliary slot)
    I was speculating it's some sort of Ramdisk or (hopefully) a bigger
    version of a 128K memory expansion. Any guess? It would be fine to
    know I can plug it in my Apple ][ and put it to good use.

    SeeYa!

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  • From quadrajet1@quadrajet1@aol.com (Quadrajet1) to comp.sys.apple2 on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 06:51:47
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    << Ok, guys, so far you all have guessed pretty much everything I already guessed by myself :-) Maybe some more precise questions are necessary.
    Namely, which kind of Apple ][ does it fit in AND work with? Since it
    is shaped like going into a standard Apple slot (as opposed to all the
    memory expansion I've seen so far, which fit in a IIe auxiliary slot)
    I was speculating it's some sort of Ramdisk or (hopefully) a bigger
    version of a 128K memory expansion. Any guess? It would be fine to
    know I can plug it in my Apple ][ and put it to good use.

    SeeYa! >>

    Fits the Apple ][+ and //e. I have been selling these cards brand new from time to time on eBay, along with the 768k of additional memory. Still have a few left. It does not replace the 64K / 80 column card on the //e however. Does fit in one of the slots across the back.

    Raymond
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  • From Don Bruder@dakidd@sonic.net to comp.sys.apple2 on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 07:14:47
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    In article <3f1cdd71.257329900@news.edisontel.com>,
    andrea@modelNOSPAMberg.com (Andrea) wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:14:11 GMT, andrea@modelNOSPAMberg.com (Andrea)
    wrote:

    Hello to all!

    Can anyone help me identifying this card?

    http://andrea.modelberg.it/images/mistery.jpg

    Ok, guys, so far you all have guessed pretty much everything I already guessed by myself :-) Maybe some more precise questions are necessary. Namely, which kind of Apple ][ does it fit in AND work with?

    Should work on anything but a //c (If you can find a place to put it in
    a //c, you're a geekier geek than me, and I bow before your supreme personificaton of geek-hood! :) )

    The //gs *MIGHT* object to it, but I can't say with any certainty.

    Since it
    is shaped like going into a standard Apple slot (as opposed to all the
    memory expansion I've seen so far, which fit in a IIe auxiliary slot)
    I was speculating it's some sort of Ramdisk or (hopefully) a bigger
    version of a 128K memory expansion.

    Might need some software to do it, but probably quite capable of being a RAMdisk.

    Any guess? It would be fine to
    know I can plug it in my Apple ][ and put it to good use.

    It says "Apple II", don't it? :) Plug it in and party already!

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  • From andrea@andrea@modelNOSPAMberg.com (Andrea) to comp.sys.apple2 on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 07:26:10
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    On 22 Jul 2003 06:51:47 GMT, quadrajet1@aol.com (Quadrajet1) wrote:

    Fits the Apple ][+ and //e.

    Does it mean it is useless for a ][?

    I have been selling these cards brand new from
    time to time on eBay, along with the 768k of additional memory. Still have a >few left. It does not replace the 64K / 80 column card on the //e however.

    Of course, given the different slot.

    Does fit in one of the slots across the back.

    Which one, usually? 3,4,7?


    SeeYa!

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  • From Don Bruder@dakidd@sonic.net to comp.sys.apple2 on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 16:22:44
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    In article <3f1ce711.259793933@news.edisontel.com>,
    andrea@modelNOSPAMberg.com (Andrea) wrote:

    On 22 Jul 2003 06:51:47 GMT, quadrajet1@aol.com (Quadrajet1) wrote:

    Fits the Apple ][+ and //e.

    Does it mean it is useless for a ][?

    I have been selling these cards brand new from
    time to time on eBay, along with the 768k of additional memory. Still have a
    few left. It does not replace the 64K / 80 column card on the //e however.

    Of course, given the different slot.

    Does fit in one of the slots across the back.

    Which one, usually? 3,4,7?

    Someone (Quadrajet, perhaps? I've lost track) mentioned using an
    on-the-card RAM test by calling out to $C20A, which would indicate that
    they used theirs in slot 2. (A $CXYY jump implicitly indicates that
    you're calling a routine in the ROM of a card in slot "X") With any card
    that meets minimum specs, the slot number is irrelevant, since the card
    will, all on its own, figure out what slot it's parked in.

    Really, Andrea, you're thinking about it too much. A slot is a slot
    (except in the case of interrupt-producing cards, where you want to have
    the card in slot 7, or have ALL higher numbered slots filled so that the
    INT signal can get through. But since a memory card doesn't produce interrupts, that's a non-issue)

    Pick a slot - any slot - except the AUX slot - and plug that puppy in.
    You'll quickly find out if it does anything useful in your rig. It's not
    like you're going to fry anything. Voltages and connections on the slots
    in the Apple II series were essentially constant across the line - a
    couple of very minor changes to signals that were rarely (if ever) used
    are the only variations, and to the best of my knowledge, none of them
    are in any way "dangerous" to a card. With the exception of the //c (no
    slots to plug into), a card made for one machine will *AT LEAST* survive
    being plugged into any of the others, and in most cases, it'll work
    exactly like it's supposed to.

    Worst-case scenario: It doesn't do anything useful for you, so you pull
    it back out.

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  • From Wayne Stewart@waynes@telus.dotnet to comp.sys.apple2 on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 16:30:08
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    It can be used in any Apple II as a RAMdisk. ProDOS will automatically recognize it. I'm not aware of any DOS 3.3 apps that recognize it but
    I've never really looked. Generally it's only used as a RAMdisk but
    some versions of AppleWorks can use it. THere's also patches for other
    versions of AppleWorks that'll let them use it. Beverly Cadieux would
    be the one to ask about that.

    Any Apple II with slots can use it but with an Integer basic II
    there's not a lot of apps that that'll use it that will run on
    this machine.

    It can be used in a IIgs but it's a slow RAMcard. A RAMdisk set up
    from the IIgs memory is considerably faster. I was surprised to
    discover I could boot off a ramfast faster than off this or the
    ramfactor card.

    Anyone know if a IIgs might be slowing to 1mhz while accessing it?

    Wayne

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  • From quadrajet1@quadrajet1@aol.com (Quadrajet1) to comp.sys.apple2 on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 17:20:50
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    << > Fits the Apple ][+ and //e.

    Does it mean it is useless for a ][? >>

    Yes, works in a ][, but figured not many people use a ][ anymore...
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  • From andrea@andrea@modelNOSPAMberg.com (Andrea) to comp.sys.apple2 on Thursday, July 24, 2003 17:33:31
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    On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:22:44 GMT, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:

    Really, Andrea, you're thinking about it too much. A slot is a slot
    (except in the case of interrupt-producing cards, where you want to have
    the card in slot 7, or have ALL higher numbered slots filled so that the
    INT signal can get through. But since a memory card doesn't produce >interrupts, that's a non-issue)

    That's exactly what I meant: I know little about the Apple but a lot
    of other computers and digital electronics as well. Therefore I know I
    cannot fry anything by putting a card in whatever slot I choose (I
    have a Apple ][ clone), it's only that some cards require to be put in
    a given slot because that's where the system supposes to find them,
    while others not. Hence, I was asking whether this cards sould go in a
    given slot or if it does not matter.

    Then, you are also right I'm almost asking if the Pope is Polish. :-)

    SeeYa!

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  • From Bill Garber@willy46pa@comcast.net to comp.sys.apple2 on Thursday, July 24, 2003 14:10:00
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    "Andrea" <andrea@modelNOSPAMberg.com> wrote in message news:3f201386.467783406@news.edisontel.com...
    On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:22:44 GMT, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:

    That's exactly what I meant: I know little about the Apple but a lot
    of other computers and digital electronics as well. Therefore I know I
    cannot fry anything by putting a card in whatever slot I choose (I
    have a Apple ][ clone), it's only that some cards require to be put in
    a given slot because that's where the system supposes to find them,
    while others not. Hence, I was asking whether this cards sould go in a
    given slot or if it does not matter.

    FWIW, I just got one of these exact cards and it works and is
    recognized in all slots but slot 0. I didn't think it would work
    in slot 7 but it does, and I have other cards in some of them
    where, as you said, the programs expect them. The only thing
    so far that doesn't work on the II+ is the Liron(UniDisk) card
    in slot 5, and while others say that does work for them, it won't
    in mine so I suspect there may be something wrong with one of
    my 74LS138's.

    Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprises };-)
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