I was only kidding on you C64 users. I was just wanting to see EXACTLY
how annoyed you all got!
I'm actually a big fan of all the 8 bit machines and in reality I'd
like to see the communities a bit closer together as I think we are
all too insular when it comes to our old machines. In my case I only
got a Spectrum when the shops didn't have NESs due to faulty stock
many years ago. I would probably have went for the Amstrad CPC if it
had been up to me and not my dad.
I'm sure many of us got our machines as presents and developed a
loyalty through time and all the machines had pros and cons:
Spectrum: Well supported, fast, crap graphics.
C64: Popular, decent graphics and sound but slow.
CPC: Fast, great graphics but poorly supported and slightly nerdy
image.
It didn't really matter which you owned anyway as most of the games
were very similar and there were tons of great magazines.
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003, Allan Robertson wrote:
|I remember all the "rivalry" between the computer users.
|
|C64 vs Spectrum
|Nintendo vs Sega
|Amiga vs Atari
|IBM PC vs MAC
|
|Think of any else?
Mouse vs keyboard?
I was only kidding on you C64 users. I was just wanting to see EXACTLY
how annoyed you all got!
I was only kidding on you C64 users. I was just wanting to see EXACTLY
how annoyed you all got!
It was stupid of you. No one likes a troll or a pointless flame war.
In article <a4170e32fe71be69d02531e57d657104@free.teranews.com>, foxnhare@bigvalley.net says...
Here's one for us old timers:
Apple vs. PET vs. TRS-80
the "big three" :-)
Larry
Matthew Montchalin wrote:
VMS vs. UNIX
I still know people who haven't given up on this one too!
I was only kidding on you C64 users. I was just wanting to see EXACTLY how annoyed you all got!
It was stupid of you. No one likes a troll or a pointless flame war.
I do.
Or are *you* trying to troll now?
:)
C64 vs. MSX
...and I'm still bashing Microsoft :+.
PeterV
Tyson V LewisEXACTLY
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"Peter de Vroomen" <peterv@ditweghaluh.jaytown.com> wrote in message news:3f0a897f$0$49104$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
I was only kidding on you C64 users. I was just wanting to see
how annoyed you all got!
It was stupid of you. No one likes a troll or a pointless flame war.
I do.
Or are *you* trying to troll now?
:)
C64 vs. MSX
...and I'm still bashing Microsoft :+.
PeterV
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LOL :-)
I meant computers but that will do fine. :-)
Windows vs Linux, The mother of all battles?
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I was only kidding on you C64 users. I was just wanting to see
how annoyed you all got!
It was stupid of you. No one likes a troll or a pointless flame war.
I do.
Or are *you* trying to troll now?
:)
C64 vs. MSX
...and I'm still bashing Microsoft :+.
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How about top posters vs. the rest of us? :)
I remember all the "rivalry" between the computer users.
C64 vs Spectrum
Nintendo vs Sega
Amiga vs Atari
IBM PC vs MAC
Think of any else?
"Weetomuncher" <weetomuncher@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:28e19b30.0307071626.260ef210@posting.google.com...
I was only kidding on you C64 users. I was just wanting to see EXACTLY
how annoyed you all got!
I'm actually a big fan of all the 8 bit machines and in reality I'd
like to see the communities a bit closer together as I think we are
all too insular when it comes to our old machines. In my case I only
got a Spectrum when the shops didn't have NESs due to faulty stock
many years ago. I would probably have went for the Amstrad CPC if it
had been up to me and not my dad.
I'm sure many of us got our machines as presents and developed a
loyalty through time and all the machines had pros and cons:
Spectrum: Well supported, fast, crap graphics.
C64: Popular, decent graphics and sound but slow.
CPC: Fast, great graphics but poorly supported and slightly nerdy
image.
It didn't really matter which you owned anyway as most of the games
were very similar and there were tons of great magazines.
Daddy vs Chips? :-|
Daddy vs Chips? :-|
I remember all the "rivalry" between the computer users.
C64 vs Spectrum
Nintendo vs Sega
Amiga vs Atari
IBM PC vs MAC
Think of any else?
I remember all the "rivalry" between the computer users.
C64 vs Spectrum
Nintendo vs Sega
Amiga vs Atari
IBM PC vs MAC
Think of any else?
"Weetomuncher" <weetomuncher@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:28e19b30.0307071626.260ef210@posting.google.com...
I was only kidding on you C64 users. I was just wanting to see EXACTLY
how annoyed you all got!
I'm actually a big fan of all the 8 bit machines and in reality I'd
like to see the communities a bit closer together as I think we are
all too insular when it comes to our old machines. In my case I only
got a Spectrum when the shops didn't have NESs due to faulty stock
many years ago. I would probably have went for the Amstrad CPC if it
had been up to me and not my dad.
I'm sure many of us got our machines as presents and developed a
loyalty through time and all the machines had pros and cons:
Spectrum: Well supported, fast, crap graphics.
C64: Popular, decent graphics and sound but slow.
CPC: Fast, great graphics but poorly supported and slightly nerdy
image.
It didn't really matter which you owned anyway as most of the games
were very similar and there were tons of great magazines.
"Sam Gillett" <samgillett@msn.com> wrote in message...
They are talking about coming out with 128-bit home computers within a few >> years. But, the old 8-bits will always be more fun.
'Um, won't they be 64bit home computers?
Someone told me that they will be uncompatable with the current machines. If >that's the case then, it will hopefully seperate the majority of people from >the more computer enthusiests!
I remember all the "rivalry" between the computer users.
C64 vs Spectrum
Nintendo vs Sega
Amiga vs Atari
IBM PC vs MAC
Think of any else?
I remember all the "rivalry" between the computer users.
C64 vs Spectrum
Nintendo vs Sega
Amiga vs Atari
IBM PC vs MAC
Did the Amstrad types feud with any particular computer?
"Sam Gillett" <samgillett@msn.com> wrote in message...
They are talking about coming out with 128-bit home computers within a few years. But, the old 8-bits will always be more fun.
'Um, won't they be 64bit home computers?
In my part of the real world, we would have to make that the big four, and include the TI/99. Remember, we are talking about home computers here. If we were talking about small business computers we would have to include the Osborn and several other CP/M machines.
For the record, here in Sweden I've never seen an advertisment or
even less an actual Amstrad CPC computer. From what I've understood
the CPC series were out in 1985
They already are 64 bit (IA-64 etc). In a few years they will probably
be 128 bit, though there is probably little point in doing so since it
will be a long time before we need to address more than 64 bits of
memory.
They are talking about coming out with 128-bit home computers within a
few years. But, the old 8-bits will always be more fun.
'Um, won't they be 64bit home computers?
Someone told me that they will be uncompatable with the current machines. >>If that's the case then, it will hopefully seperate the majority of people >>from the more computer enthusiests!
That depends. The AMD Sledgehammer chip is 32bit compatible natively - the >Intel 64bitter is not, and would require some kind of emulation layer.
It wasn't long after 16-bit machines came out that they were
replaced by 32-bit machines.
Twenty years ago a 20 MB hard drive was considered huge for a
home computer.
Where it will stop, or when it will stop, I do not know. If we can hangon
for the ride, it should be an interesting trip. And whenever it gets tobe
a little bit too much... well, we can turn on our old 8-bit machines and
have a return to sanity!
too much? I don't know about you, but I cherish the day when I can have the >equivalent of a 4096 processor Cray X1 in a unit the size of a matchbox that >runs off of a used piece of gum for power!
"Allan Robertson" <arsc12471@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message >news:FroOa.952$pd.326@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
I remember all the "rivalry" between the computer users.
C64 vs Spectrum
Nintendo vs Sega
Amiga vs Atari
IBM PC vs MAC
Think of any else?
Since the Spectrum didn't really make it in the states, the C64 vs Spectrum >debate was unknown to the 5 million or so C64 users here. I do recall a >serious C64 vs Apple debate though -- and a brief C64 vs Atari one. >Especially fun was this little animated movie that made its way around the >Commodore BBS scene that featured a "battle" between a Commodore and Atari >office building.
:) Anyone have a copy of that?
Where it will stop, or when it will stop, I do not know. If we can hang on for the ride, it should be an interesting trip. And whenever it gets to be
a little bit too much... well, we can turn on our old 8-bit machines and
have a return to sanity!
Sam Gillett wrote:
Where it will stop, or when it will stop, I do not know. If we can hang
on for the ride, it should be an interesting trip. And whenever it gets
to be a little bit too much... well, we can turn on our old 8-bit
machines and have a return to sanity!
Someone lend me a chisel please.... I need to engrave Sam's preception in >stone somewhere !!!
I'm a geek among other things.... we who are my age ( got a feeling Sam
is ) are VERY lucky to have been there in the beginning.... It is kinda
like my grandmother seeing the first airplanes fly and then to see a man
land on the moon in her life time..... only were talking computer's
instead
10 PRINT " I was there"
20 GOTO 10
RUN
Richard Wilson wrote ...If
Larry Anderson wrote:
Here's one for us old timers:
Apple vs. PET vs. TRS-80
the "big three" :-)
I'd prefer my pet to either the Apple or TRS-80. Actually I've only seen
a couple of Apples and a couple of TRS-80's. Never used them, and they >certainly were not "the big three" in the real world.
In my part of the real world, we would have to make that the big four, and include the TI/99. Remember, we are talking about home computers here.
we were talking about small business computers we would have to includethe
Osborn and several other CP/M machines.a
Around here the Apples and TRS-80's were popular into the mid 80's, and to
lesser extent the TI/99. However, by the mid 80's the PET had beenreplaced
by the C64 in the Commodore world. And the Atari's were on the scenealso.
And the migration to the 16-bit machines had started. Amiga, Atari-ST,and
the 286's. All of the things the new machines can do are great, but itwas
so much simpler back in the good old 8-bit days. The machines weresimpler,
and so were the operating systems.
deKay wrote ...machines.
They are talking about coming out with 128-bit home computers within a >>> few years. But, the old 8-bits will always be more fun.
'Um, won't they be 64bit home computers?
Someone told me that they will be uncompatable with the current
peopleIf that's the case then, it will hopefully seperate the majority of
thefrom the more computer enthusiests!
That depends. The AMD Sledgehammer chip is 32bit compatible natively -
ThereIntel 64bitter is not, and would require some kind of emulation layer.
And that may very well give AMD a chance to take the number one spot away from Intel. In my opinion AMD deserves to topple the "Intel Empire".
are a lot of people that would like to continue using their 16 and 32 bit software.
As for the 64 or 128 bit question, history has a way of repeating itself.
It wasn't long after 16-bit machines came out that they were replaced by 32-bit machines.
home computers will only be in the marketplace a couple of years beforethe
128-bit machines come to market.RAM
Once it starts rolling, technological progress seems to gather momentum. Twenty years ago we thought that 64 KB was a lot of RAM. Now 512 MB of
is common. Twenty years ago a 20 MB hard drive was considered huge for a home computer. Now a 20 gigabyte drive is on the small side.
Where it will stop, or when it will stop, I do not know. If we can hangon
for the ride, it should be an interesting trip. And whenever it gets tobe
a little bit too much... well, we can turn on our old 8-bit machines and
have a return to sanity!
fewThey are talking about coming out with 128-bit home computers within a
years. But, the old 8-bits will always be more fun.
'Um, won't they be 64bit home computers?
They already are 64 bit (IA-64 etc). In a few years they will probably
be 128 bit, though there is probably little point in doing so since it
will be a long time before we need to address more than 64 bits of
memory.
I'm a geek among other things.... we who are my age ( got a feeling Sam is ) are VERY lucky to have been there in the beginning.... It is kinda like my grandmother seeing the first airplanes fly and then to see a man land on the moon in her life time..... only were talking computer's instead
"Sam Gillett" wrote ...
Twenty years ago a 20 MB hard drive was considered huge for a
home computer. Now a 20 gigabyte drive is on the small side.
Twenty years ago home computers did not have a harddrive.
Where it will stop, or when it will stop, I do not know. If we can hang
on for the ride, it should be an interesting trip. And whenever it gets
to be a little bit too much... well, we can turn on our old 8-bit
machines and have a return to sanity!
Yes, although PC sales are slumping under the pressure from the consoles
and the fact PC performance has hit a plateau in the sense that people are >not realizing a real world performance increase from upgrading in the same >short time frame as a few years ago.
"Sam Gillett" wrote ...
so much simpler back in the good old 8-bit days. The machines were
simpler, and so were the operating systems.
Yeah, saving a file to disk on a C64 is so much easier then hitting CTRL-S >isn't it...
In the "good old 8 bit days" things were more basic, but not simpler IMO.
Rick Youngman wrote:[...] But then, I suppose I'd have to be an American as well, so there is
some consolation.
"Allan Robertson" <arsc12471@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:FroOa.952$pd.326@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...Spectrum
I remember all the "rivalry" between the computer users.
C64 vs Spectrum
Nintendo vs Sega
Amiga vs Atari
IBM PC vs MAC
Think of any else?
Since the Spectrum didn't really make it in the states, the C64 vs
debate was unknown to the 5 million or so C64 users here. I do recall a serious C64 vs Apple debate though -- and a brief C64 vs Atari one.Especially
fun was this little animated movie that made its way around the CommodoreBBS
scene that featured a "battle" between a Commodore and Atari officebuilding.
:) Anyone have a copy of that?
- Bo
Yeah! What about the game and watch??!!
Crack.....
Clockmeister wrote ...CTRL-S
"Sam Gillett" wrote ...
so much simpler back in the good old 8-bit days. The machines were
simpler, and so were the operating systems.
Yeah, saving a file to disk on a C64 is so much easier then hitting
bootisn't it...
In the "good old 8 bit days" things were more basic, but not simpler IMO.
I like the term "more basic." It was nice having Basic commands available
at the READY prompt. :-)
Granted that the new systems are easier to use. Perhaps I worded that
badly. Todays operating systems that require megabytes of RAM just to
up, are much more complex than an operating system that fit into 32 KB of ROM.or
I've seen several books that completely documented the C64. But I have
never seen a single book that provided complete documentation for Windows
*nix in a single volume.
thats one of the stupidest things i've ever read
Clockmeister wrote ...
"Sam Gillett" wrote ...
so much simpler back in the good old 8-bit days. The machines wereYeah, saving a file to disk on a C64 is so much easier then hitting CTRL-S >> isn't it... In the "good old 8 bit days" things were more basic, but not
simpler, and so were the operating systems.
simpler IMO.
I like the term "more basic." It was nice having Basic commands available
at the READY prompt. :-)
Lets face it .... us "old timers" really don't use the old 8 bitters for
our
primary machine any more.... and most certianly a "point and clicker" is totally
lost on an 8 bitter...... so in answer to your questions Sam..... the answer
is a flat NO..... it will never stop.... what fun would that be ???? hahahahahahah
I only wish I was a little older, then I could be in Bill Gates shoes
now. But then, I suppose I'd have to be an American as well, so there is
some consolation.
thats one of the stupidest things i've ever read
You obviously haven't read very much. I am perfectly entitled to be
proud of my own heritage and prefer not to be born in the USA.
Clockmeister wrote ...
Exceptions to the rule. The greater majority of home users did not have
harddrives.
Very true. A few did have hard drives. My original point was that one of those lucky few with a hard drive would have considered a 20 MB drive
_huge_!
No-one really knows what the future holds although I suspect it has more
to do with miniaturizing then speed. Wait and see I guess ;-)
I think you are right about miniaturization being a large part of the
future of computing. A lot depends on developing processors and other
chips that use less power, and therefore produce less heat.
you want ARM. :-)
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