• which CPU ?

    From *ProteanThread*@os65000 at yahoo dot com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Sunday, June 20, 2004 17:34:57
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    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or system
    (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU? So far this is what I have:

    6502:
    atari
    apple
    commodore
    nintendo entertainment system

    Z80
    timex / sinclair
    MSX ?
    Vtech VZ200 / 300
    Mattel Aquarius
    Sega Master System

    6809
    Dragon
    Tandy Color Computer

    but I was wondering if there was a more complete *CHART* or *TABLE* where
    all this informaiton can be looked up in one reference ?

    ...'cause this is how I am organizing my website (by CPU and then by
    machine): http://www.rtdos.com




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    http://rtdos.com/chat
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  • From momo@quality_us@yahoo.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 00:02:05
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    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:6JidndeLZ5kYgkvdRVn-jA@bresnan.com...
    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or system
    (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU? So far this is what I have:

    6502:
    atari
    apple
    commodore
    nintendo entertainment system

    Z80
    timex / sinclair
    MSX ?
    Vtech VZ200 / 300
    Mattel Aquarius
    Sega Master System

    6809
    Dragon
    Tandy Color Computer

    but I was wondering if there was a more complete *CHART* or *TABLE* where
    all this informaiton can be looked up in one reference ?

    ...'cause this is how I am organizing my website (by CPU and then by machine): http://www.rtdos.com




    --

    Woodzy

    http://www.rtdos.com (alt OS for games based on the classics) http://rtdos.com/debate (charged political discussion) http://rtdos.com/forum (rtdos message boards)
    http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

    http://rtdos.com/chat
    Chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
    every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)



    Yeah you really do need a chart!
    I know this from my experience, the commodore 64 used a 6514, cousin of the 6502.
    Not sure about the sega master system but I believe Sega was into cpu pairs like 6502 with a z80.
    I think the Apple 2 series used a variant of the 6502 something like 65c02
    or something like that.
    The TRS-80 COCO used a motorola 6809.
    Macs and Atari ST's used 68000
    Next computers used 68040's
    Tandy 1000's used 8086's
    Altairs and IMSAI's could use multiple cpu cards (swapped)
    z80,6502,8080,etc.

    I'm sure others will add to this list.
    Mo



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  • From leeg@leeg@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk.valid to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 01:06:51
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    momo wrote:

    Macs and Atari ST's used 68000
    Next computers used 68040's
    The first NeXTs were 68030 - the 68040 was an optional upgrade to the cube (which tbf nearly *every* cube owner took). The first prototype Mac board
    had an MC6809.
    --
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  • From Konrad Kokoszkiewicz@draco@obta.uw.edu.pl to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 02:17:15
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    I know this from my experience, the commodore 64 used a 6514, cousin
    of the 6502.

    Commodore VIC 20 had 6502, Commodore C-64 had 6510, Commodore C+4 - 7501 (IIRC). Both 6510 and 7501 are "cousins" of 6502.

    I think the Apple 2 series used a variant of the 6502 something like
    65c02 or something like that.

    Yes. And some model of Apple (Apple IIcx?) used 65c816 - or it was
    upgradable to 65c816, I don't remember.

    I'm sure others will add to this list.

    Acorn BBC machines - 6502 (with optional Z80).

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    ** aut seruit humiliter, aut superbe dominatur.
    ** Taka to już natura pospólstwa, albo służalczo się płaszczy,
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  • From |@evin" comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Sunday, June 20, 2004 21:13:18
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:17:15 +0200, "Konrad Kokoszkiewicz" <draco@obta.uw.edu.pl> wrote:


    Yes. And some model of Apple (Apple IIcx?) used 65c816 - or it was
    upgradable to 65c816, I don't remember.

    that's the Apple IIgs you are thinking of the SNES also uses this
    processor.

    Also the 6509 was used in the Atari 2600



    kvn
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  • From |@evin" comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Sunday, June 20, 2004 21:14:41
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:02:05 GMT, "momo" <quality_us@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Not sure about the sega master system but I believe Sega was into cpu pairs >like 6502 with a z80.

    No the Sega Master System was Z80 based, however the Sege
    Genesis/Megadrive had both a 68000 and Z80, which is probably what you
    are thinking of.





    kvn
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  • From RoyalHeart@royalheartREMOVE@barnwellscREMOVE.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Sunday, June 20, 2004 21:34:57
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

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    On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:17:15 +0200, "Konrad Kokoszkiewicz" <draco@obta.uw.edu.pl> wrote:



    Yes. And some model of Apple (Apple IIcx?) used 65c816 - or it was >>upgradable to 65c816, I don't remember.


    that's the Apple IIgs you are thinking of the SNES also uses this
    processor.

    Also the 6509 was used in the Atari 2600



    kvn
    The Atari 2600 uses the 6507 processor, not 6509.

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    The Present, and no less The Future."

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  • From Neil Morrison@nowrite@to.me to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 01:40:45
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm


    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:6JidndeLZ5kYgkvdRVn-jA@bresnan.com...
    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or system
    (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU? So far this is what I have:

    Radio Shack MC-10 used the 6803. The Tandy 6000 series used the Moto 68000 along with a Z-80.

    N


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  • From *ProteanThread*@os65000 at yahoo dot com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Sunday, June 20, 2004 20:22:49
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "Neil Morrison" <nowrite@to.me> wrote in message news:x0rBc.9000$7d2.2642@clgrps13...

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:6JidndeLZ5kYgkvdRVn-jA@bresnan.com...
    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or system (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU? So far this is what I have:

    Radio Shack MC-10 used the 6803. The Tandy 6000 series used the Moto 68000 along with a Z-80.

    N



    Which tandy used the 80186 ?


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  • From *ProteanThread*@os65000 at yahoo dot com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Sunday, June 20, 2004 20:24:19
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "momo" <quality_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1ApBc.8338$M96.4664@fe2.texas.rr.com...

    Yeah you really do need a chart!
    I know this from my experience, the commodore 64 used a 6514, cousin of
    the
    6502.
    Not sure about the sega master system but I believe Sega was into cpu
    pairs
    like 6502 with a z80.
    I think the Apple 2 series used a variant of the 6502 something like 65c02
    or something like that.
    The TRS-80 COCO used a motorola 6809.
    Macs and Atari ST's used 68000
    Next computers used 68040's
    Tandy 1000's used 8086's
    Altairs and IMSAI's could use multiple cpu cards (swapped)
    z80,6502,8080,etc.

    I'm sure others will add to this list.
    Mo




    *WOW* thanks for the info...
    ...Would anyone be interested in a chart / list ?


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    http://rtdos.com/chat
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  • From Mike Yetsko@joe@user.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Sunday, June 20, 2004 22:37:25
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm


    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:GLCdnW7J2e3k20vdRVn-sw@bresnan.com...
    "Neil Morrison" <nowrite@to.me> wrote in message news:x0rBc.9000$7d2.2642@clgrps13...

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:6JidndeLZ5kYgkvdRVn-jA@bresnan.com...
    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or
    system
    (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU? So far this is what I
    have:

    Radio Shack MC-10 used the 6803. The Tandy 6000 series used the Moto
    68000
    along with a Z-80.

    N



    Which tandy used the 80186 ?



    That was the 2000

    By the way, the Coco used the 6809E variant of the 6809


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  • From *ProteanThread*@os65000 at yahoo dot com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Sunday, June 20, 2004 21:17:51
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "Mike Yetsko" <joe@user.com> wrote in message news:10dcklm70c81p77@corp.supernews.com...


    That was the 2000

    By the way, the Coco used the 6809E variant of the 6809



    all the coco's or just cooc 3 ?


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  • From Sam Gillett@samgillettnospam@diespammermsn.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 03:23:18
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    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote ...

    Z80
    timex / sinclair
    MSX ?
    Vtech VZ200 / 300
    Mattel Aquarius
    Sega Master System

    Add to your Z80 list the Zenith, and most of the CP/M machines that were popular in the 1970's.

    --
    Best regards,

    Sam Gillett

    Change is inevitable,
    except from vending machines!


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  • From Sam Gillett@samgillettnospam@diespammermsn.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 03:23:19
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm


    "momo" <quality_us@yahoo.com> wrote ...

    I know this from my experience, the commodore 64 used a 6514, cousin of the 6502.

    The C64 used the 6510 processor, and the Commodore 128 used an 8502.

    --
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    Sam Gillett

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    except from vending machines!


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  • From the.sentinel@the@senti.nel to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 00:02:27
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm


    "Sam Gillett" <samgillettnospam@diespammermsn.com> wrote in message news:HwsBc.11620$a61.5819@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...

    "momo" <quality_us@yahoo.com> wrote ...

    the Commodore 128 used an 8502.


    and a z80 :)



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  • From the.sentinel@the@senti.nel to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 00:04:35
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm


    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:6JidndeLZ5kYgkvdRVn-jA@bresnan.com...
    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or system
    (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU? So far this is what I have:

    6502:
    atari
    apple
    commodore
    nintendo entertainment system

    Z80
    timex / sinclair
    MSX ?
    Vtech VZ200 / 300
    Mattel Aquarius
    Sega Master System

    6809
    Dragon
    Tandy Color Computer

    but I was wondering if there was a more complete *CHART* or *TABLE* where
    all this informaiton can be looked up in one reference ?

    ...'cause this is how I am organizing my website (by CPU and then by machine): http://www.rtdos.com




    --

    Woodzy

    http://www.rtdos.com (alt OS for games based on the classics) http://rtdos.com/debate (charged political discussion) http://rtdos.com/forum (rtdos message boards)
    http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

    http://rtdos.com/chat
    Chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
    every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)




    this should help if your willing to invest the time...

    http://www.old-computers.com/museum/default.asp


    cheers.

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  • From the.sentinel@the@senti.nel to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 00:35:13
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm


    "the.sentinel" <the@senti.nel> wrote in message news:10dcnhjcun2hf62@corp.supernews.com...

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:6JidndeLZ5kYgkvdRVn-jA@bresnan.com...
    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or system (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU? So far this is what I have:

    6502:
    atari
    apple
    commodore
    nintendo entertainment system

    Z80
    timex / sinclair
    MSX ?
    Vtech VZ200 / 300
    Mattel Aquarius
    Sega Master System

    6809
    Dragon
    Tandy Color Computer

    but I was wondering if there was a more complete *CHART* or *TABLE*
    where
    all this informaiton can be looked up in one reference ?

    ...'cause this is how I am organizing my website (by CPU and then by machine): http://www.rtdos.com




    --

    Woodzy

    http://www.rtdos.com (alt OS for games based on the classics) http://rtdos.com/debate (charged political discussion) http://rtdos.com/forum (rtdos message boards)
    http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

    http://rtdos.com/chat
    Chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
    every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)




    this should help if your willing to invest the time...

    http://www.old-computers.com/museum/default.asp


    cheers.

    --



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    some more links...

    General
    http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/comphist/index.htm

    http://www.dotpoint.com/xnumber/Microcomputer_invention.htm

    http://www.millbury.k12.ma.us/~hs/techrepair/gen.html

    http://www.redhill.net.au/c-1.html

    http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/jbayko/cpu.html

    http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/List%20of%20home%20computers%20by% 20category

    http://www.microprocessor.sscc.ru/great/

    http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~hl/c.photo.html

    http://www.eagle.ca/~cmurray/microhst.html

    http://users.owt.com/eallen/html/old_computers.html

    http://users.pandora.be/lust/verzamelaars.htm

    Z80
    http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/3938/z80_home.htm



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  • From mario@gianmarioRE.scottiMO@nokiaVE.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 06:25:19
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    I bet you'll LOVE this:
    http://www.machine-room.org/static/xrefs/cpu.html



    mario


    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:6JidndeLZ5kYgkvdRVn-jA@bresnan.com...
    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or system
    (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU? So far this is what I have:

    6502:
    atari
    apple
    commodore
    nintendo entertainment system

    Z80
    timex / sinclair
    MSX ?
    Vtech VZ200 / 300
    Mattel Aquarius
    Sega Master System

    6809
    Dragon
    Tandy Color Computer

    but I was wondering if there was a more complete *CHART* or *TABLE* where
    all this informaiton can be looked up in one reference ?

    ...'cause this is how I am organizing my website (by CPU and then by machine): http://www.rtdos.com




    --

    Woodzy

    http://www.rtdos.com (alt OS for games based on the classics) http://rtdos.com/debate (charged political discussion) http://rtdos.com/forum (rtdos message boards)
    http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

    http://rtdos.com/chat
    Chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
    every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)




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  • From Brian Gaff@Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 08:20:17
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    Sord M5 used Z80, as I think did the Newbrains

    You also need to look at speed and processor variant as you already know the
    QL had a 68000 with a cut down bus, and the Sam had a faster Z80, I imagine.

    The Memotech used a Z80 as well, by the way, coupled with a TI graphics
    chip.

    Anyone recall which the Texas TI99/4a used?

    Brian

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    "momo" <quality_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1ApBc.8338$M96.4664@fe2.texas.rr.com...
    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:6JidndeLZ5kYgkvdRVn-jA@bresnan.com...
    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or system (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU? So far this is what I have:

    6502:
    atari
    apple
    commodore
    nintendo entertainment system

    Z80
    timex / sinclair
    MSX ?
    Vtech VZ200 / 300
    Mattel Aquarius
    Sega Master System

    6809
    Dragon
    Tandy Color Computer

    but I was wondering if there was a more complete *CHART* or *TABLE*
    where
    all this informaiton can be looked up in one reference ?

    ...'cause this is how I am organizing my website (by CPU and then by machine): http://www.rtdos.com




    --

    Woodzy

    http://www.rtdos.com (alt OS for games based on the classics) http://rtdos.com/debate (charged political discussion) http://rtdos.com/forum (rtdos message boards)
    http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

    http://rtdos.com/chat
    Chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
    every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)



    Yeah you really do need a chart!
    I know this from my experience, the commodore 64 used a 6514, cousin of
    the
    6502.
    Not sure about the sega master system but I believe Sega was into cpu
    pairs
    like 6502 with a z80.
    I think the Apple 2 series used a variant of the 6502 something like 65c02
    or something like that.
    The TRS-80 COCO used a motorola 6809.
    Macs and Atari ST's used 68000
    Next computers used 68040's
    Tandy 1000's used 8086's
    Altairs and IMSAI's could use multiple cpu cards (swapped)
    z80,6502,8080,etc.

    I'm sure others will add to this list.
    Mo





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  • From Thomas Richter@thor@cleopatra.math.tu-berlin.de to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 08:24:58
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    Hi,

    I know this from my experience, the commodore 64 used a 6514, cousin of the 6502.

    Actually, a 6510. The 6502 was designed by a couple of ex-motorola
    engineers that run away from their company and formed Synertek
    (sp?). This company was later bought by CBM, then called "Commodore Semiconductor Group" where they manufactured the 6510, which is something like a 6502 with a memory-mapped "PIA" at addresses 0 and 1. The Atari 8 bit
    CPU is strightly speeking no 6502 either, but a small variant
    ("Sally") that comes with an additional "WAIT" line that stops the
    CPU. This line is connected to the ANTIC DMA (and WSYNC) logic.

    Other variants of the 6502 (the 6507, 6509 and more) just have less
    address lines, but are otherwise identical internally. They're used in
    the peripherals, for example in the 1050 disk drive.

    The 65c02 was a variant of the 6502 with an extended instruction set which
    was available as a third-party plug-in add-on. AFAIK it never really became very popular, but it is supported by some third-party products, e.g. the
    Mac/65 assembler.

    Macs and Atari ST's used 68000

    To complete the list, the Amiga's came with 68000 CPUs, add-ons for all
    other members of the family have been made available. (I've a 68030, 68040
    and 68060 Amiga at home, though even 68020 CPU cards and 68010-plug in replacements are available. The 8-bit bus variant 68008 was of course no option)

    So long,
    Thomas
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  • From leeg@leeg@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk.valid to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 09:32:53
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    Thomas Richter wrote:

    Macs and Atari ST's used 68000

    To complete the list, the Amiga's came with 68000 CPUs, add-ons for all
    other members of the family have been made available. (I've a 68030, 68040 and 68060 Amiga at home, though even 68020 CPU cards and 68010-plug in replacements are available. The 8-bit bus variant 68008 was of course no option)

    Then of course the early PowerPC chips also made appearances in third-party upgrades such as the Blizzard and WarpUP - I think everything from the 601
    to the 604 was available. There were also some hackers who put some Alpha chip into the trapdoor of an Amiga - I can't remember the details beside
    the fact that I first heard about it in around 96 and thought "bugger me
    that's fast".
    --
    Graham Lee
    I am leeg, for we are many
    "I cannot imagine any condition which could cause this ship to founder,
    cannot conceive of any vital disaster happening to this vessel." - Captain
    E. J. Smith, RMS Titanic
    http://nextstep.sdf-eu.org/

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  • From leeg@leeg@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk.valid to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 09:34:21
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote:

    "momo" <quality_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1ApBc.8338$M96.4664@fe2.texas.rr.com...

    Yeah you really do need a chart!


    *WOW* thanks for the info...
    ...Would anyone be interested in a chart / list ?


    Me me me! Perhaps you could do a timeline of the micros, as well as which
    ones were influenced by which and also show which CPUs were used.
    Something along the lines of Eric Levenez' charts at www.levenez.com ?
    --
    Graham Lee
    I am leeg, for we are many
    If at first you don't succeed, I wouldn't recommend giving basejumping a go. http://nextstep.sdf-eu.org/

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  • From Peter de Vroomen@peterv[at][spamblock]jaytown[dot]com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 10:35:18
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    Commodore VIC 20 had 6502, Commodore C-64 had 6510, Commodore C+4 - 7501 (IIRC). Both 6510 and 7501 are "cousins" of 6502.

    The C128 uses a 8502 and a Z80.

    I think the Apple 2 series used a variant of the 6502 something like
    65c02 or something like that.

    Yes. And some model of Apple (Apple IIcx?) used 65c816 - or it was
    upgradable to 65c816, I don't remember.

    The SNES uses a Nintendo-specific version of the 65C816. It has some small extra's to help it's graphics engine.

    PeterV


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  • From leeg@leeg@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk.valid to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 09:35:48
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    Mike Yetsko wrote:


    By the way, the Coco used the 6809E variant of the 6809

    The Dragon used the 6809E, 68A09E and the 68AB09E. One of the differences
    was that POKEing the speed-up hack was less likely to b0rk the processor
    with the latter two.
    --
    Graham Lee
    I am leeg, for we are many
    Ruby: "Simple in appearance, but very complex inside, just like our human
    body" - matz
    http://nextstep.sdf-eu.org/

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  • From Anders Carlsson@anders.carlsson@mds.mdh.se to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 10:35:50
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    The cut-down processor in the QL is a 68008. The TI99/4A used
    TMS9900, which also has some "relatives" in other consoles or
    computers.

    Cosmac Elf, Comx 35, RCA Studio II etc used RCA (later CDP) 1802(A).

    "Brian Gaff" <Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:

    Sord M5 used Z80, as I think did the Newbrains

    You also need to look at speed and processor variant as you already know the QL had a 68000 with a cut down bus, and the Sam had a faster Z80, I imagine.

    The Memotech used a Z80 as well, by the way, coupled with a TI graphics
    chip.

    Anyone recall which the Texas TI99/4a used?

    [top-posted for Brian]

    --
    Anders Carlsson
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  • From Peter de Vroomen@peterv[at][spamblock]jaytown[dot]com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 10:37:47
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    Sord M5 used Z80, as I think did the Newbrains

    Yep, Newbrain used Z80.

    You also need to look at speed and processor variant as you already know
    the
    QL had a 68000 with a cut down bus, and the Sam had a faster Z80, I
    imagine.

    The QL uses a 68008, which is a 68000 with an external databus of 8 bits,
    which was 16 bits multiplexed.

    The Memotech used a Z80 as well, by the way, coupled with a TI graphics
    chip.

    The MSX uses a Z80, also coupled with a TI graphics chip. And so does the
    Sharp MZ800.

    Anyone recall which the Texas TI99/4a used?

    TMS9900 processor. Really fast processor, but it had an ugly way of
    adressing it's memory, so it sucked in real-time :).

    PeterV


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  • From Peter de Vroomen@peterv[at][spamblock]jaytown[dot]com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 10:39:19
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    By the way, the Coco used the 6809E variant of the 6809

    all the coco's or just cooc 3 ?

    The difference is that the 6809 has an on-board oscillator, while the 6809E needs an external oscillator circuit. But I believe because of it, the 6809E could be manufactured with a different process, so it could run faster.

    Or was it the other way round?

    PeterV


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  • From stano2000@stano2000@yahoo.com (Stanley) to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 01:42:24
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:<6JidndeLZ5kYgkvdRVn-jA@bresnan.com>...
    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or system
    (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU?

    Rough estimation of CPUs used is shown here on my page: http://emul8.xlabs.sk/emulators/

    some CPUs should be stated as 65xx instead of 6502 and so on.

    stan
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  • From Bill Bertram@ADSR6581_removethis_@aol.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 10:16:28
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm


    "Thomas Richter" <thor@cleopatra.math.tu-berlin.de> wrote in message news:cb660q$p0o$2@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE...
    Actually, a 6510. The 6502 was designed by a couple of ex-motorola
    engineers that run away from their company and formed Synertek
    (sp?).

    No, it wasn't Synertek but MOS Technology, hence Commodore chips before 1989 were
    stamped with "MOS". Synertek was a 2nd source for the 6502 CPU.

    -Bill.


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  • From drhirudo@drhirudo@mail.bg (Ventzislav Tzvetkov) to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 05:25:07
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:<HLOdnYqQCuJJ20vdRVn-sw@bresnan.com>...
    "momo" <quality_us@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1ApBc.8338$M96.4664@fe2.texas.rr.com...

    Yeah you really do need a chart!
    I know this from my experience, the commodore 64 used a 6514, cousin of
    the
    6502.
    Not sure about the sega master system but I believe Sega was into cpu
    pairs
    like 6502 with a z80.
    I think the Apple 2 series used a variant of the 6502 something like 65c02 or something like that.
    The TRS-80 COCO used a motorola 6809.
    Macs and Atari ST's used 68000
    Next computers used 68040's
    Tandy 1000's used 8086's
    Altairs and IMSAI's could use multiple cpu cards (swapped) z80,6502,8080,etc.

    I'm sure others will add to this list.
    Mo




    *WOW* thanks for the info...
    ...Would anyone be interested in a chart / list ?

    Download MESS - http://www.mess.org/ start the GUI and double-click on
    the CPU icon on the left. It will show you different processors.
    Everytime you click on a CPU the machines which use this CPU will show
    on the right. Cool, eh?
    For example:
    I8048 - Adventurevision, Odyssey 2.
    HD6309 - Cool Computer 3.
    APEXC - APEXC (as described in 1957).

    --
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  • From *ProteanThread*@os65000 at yahoo dot com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 07:41:21
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "Ventzislav Tzvetkov" <drhirudo@mail.bg> wrote in message
    Download MESS - http://www.mess.org/ start the GUI and double-click on
    the CPU icon on the left. It will show you different processors.
    Everytime you click on a CPU the machines which use this CPU will show
    on the right. Cool, eh?
    For example:
    I8048 - Adventurevision, Odyssey 2.
    HD6309 - Cool Computer 3.
    APEXC - APEXC (as described in 1957).

    --
    http://drhirudo.hit.bg


    Thx. I'll have the chart up on my website by the end of the week.


    --

    Woodzy

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    http://rtdos.com/chat
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  • From *ProteanThread*@os65000 at yahoo dot com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 07:46:24
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "leeg" <leeg@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk.valid> wrote in message news:cb66q8$3uh$3@news.ox.ac.uk...
    Mike Yetsko wrote:


    By the way, the Coco used the 6809E variant of the 6809

    The Dragon used the 6809E, 68A09E and the 68AB09E. One of the differences was that POKEing the speed-up hack was less likely to b0rk the processor
    with the latter two.
    --
    Graham Lee
    I am leeg, for we are many
    Ruby: "Simple in appearance, but very complex inside, just like our human body" - matz
    http://nextstep.sdf-eu.org/



    I always thought that was legened until I read that you could do the same
    with a particular CBM (or PET not sure which model) and if you left it in
    turbo state too long it would actually fry the system.


    --

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    http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

    http://rtdos.com/chat
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  • From Brian Gaff@Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 16:48:37
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    That was some early Pets that you could fry the chip on. I often wondered
    about those go faster stripes, I thought maybe a heatsink might save it?

    Brian

    --

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    graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them
    Email: briang1@blueyonder.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________


    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:mLidnUKPweUdekvdRVn-ug@bresnan.com...
    "leeg" <leeg@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk.valid> wrote in message news:cb66q8$3uh$3@news.ox.ac.uk...
    Mike Yetsko wrote:


    By the way, the Coco used the 6809E variant of the 6809

    The Dragon used the 6809E, 68A09E and the 68AB09E. One of the
    differences
    was that POKEing the speed-up hack was less likely to b0rk the processor with the latter two.
    --
    Graham Lee
    I am leeg, for we are many
    Ruby: "Simple in appearance, but very complex inside, just like our
    human
    body" - matz
    http://nextstep.sdf-eu.org/



    I always thought that was legened until I read that you could do the same with a particular CBM (or PET not sure which model) and if you left it in turbo state too long it would actually fry the system.


    --

    Woodzy

    http://www.rtdos.com (alt OS for games based on the classics) http://rtdos.com/debate (charged political discussion) http://rtdos.com/forum (rtdos message boards)
    http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

    http://rtdos.com/chat
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  • From Brian Gaff@Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 16:48:38
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    Of course all the Amstrads had Z80s.

    Brian

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    "Sam Gillett" <samgillettnospam@diespammermsn.com> wrote in message news:GwsBc.11618$a61.5578@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote ...

    Z80
    timex / sinclair
    MSX ?
    Vtech VZ200 / 300
    Mattel Aquarius
    Sega Master System

    Add to your Z80 list the Zenith, and most of the CP/M machines that were popular in the 1970's.

    --
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  • From stanb45@stanb45@dial.pipex.com (Stan Barr) to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 17:28:49
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 03:23:18 GMT, Sam Gillett <samgillettnospam@diespammermsn.com> wrote:

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote ...

    Z80
    timex / sinclair
    MSX ?
    Vtech VZ200 / 300
    Mattel Aquarius
    Sega Master System

    Add to your Z80 list the Zenith, and most of the CP/M machines that were >popular in the 1970's.

    And:
    Tandy TRS-80 Models 1,3 and 4
    Tatung Einstein
    Sharp MZ-80

    And to the 6502:
    Acorn (Atom and BBC)
    Ohio Scientific (Superboard and Challenger)
    Oric

    Also:

    8080:
    Various mostly CP/M machines like MSI

    8085:
    Panasonic
    Rair Black Box

    TMS-9900(?):
    Texas Instruments TI-99

    And of course there were other processors like the RCA 1802 and the SC/MP
    which were used in a few machines...

    --
    Cheers,
    Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com
    (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.)

    The future was never like this!
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  • From Darren Salt@news@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 18:48:29
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    I demand that Stanley may or may not have written...

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:<6JidndeLZ5kYgkvdRVn-jA@bresnan.com>...
    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or system
    (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU?

    Rough estimation of CPUs used is shown here on my page: http://emul8.xlabs.sk/emulators/

    You're missing the Acorn Atom and BBC model A and B+ (6502), and the BBC
    Master and Master Compact (6512).

    And the Spectrum +2A. ;-)

    --
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  • From Randy McLaughlin@randy482@nospam.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 12:51:14
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "Brian Gaff" <Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:GjEBc.1901$wz.17482970@news-text.cableinet.net...
    Of course all the Amstrads had Z80s.

    Brian
    <snip>

    No, they also made PC clones.

    Randy


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  • From drhirudo@drhirudo@mail.bg (Ventzislav Tzvetkov) to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 12:08:46
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:<Ur2dnRKoGZ4deEvdRVn-uA@bresnan.com>...
    "Ventzislav Tzvetkov" <drhirudo@mail.bg> wrote in message
    Download MESS - http://www.mess.org/ start the GUI and double-click on
    the CPU icon on the left. It will show you different processors.
    Everytime you click on a CPU the machines which use this CPU will show
    on the right. Cool, eh?

    I forgat to mention that you can use it for reference of the year of
    release and
    manifacturer.

    For example:
    I8048 - Adventurevision, Odyssey 2.
    HD6309 - Cool Computer 3.
    This should be Color not Cool, my typo. The only cool thing about this
    computer is that it is color.

    APEXC - APEXC (as described in 1957).

    This hardly can be called CPU as the way we know them today.

    Thx. I'll have the chart up on my website by the end of the week.

    I'll be glad to see it.

    --
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  • From spike1@spike1@freenet.co.uk to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 20:31:16
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    Thomas Richter <thor@cleopatra.math.tu-berlin.de> did eloquently scribble:
    To complete the list, the Amiga's came with 68000 CPUs, add-ons for all
    other members of the family have been made available. (I've a 68030, 68040 and 68060 Amiga at home, though even 68020 CPU cards and 68010-plug in replacements are available. The 8-bit bus variant 68008 was of course no option)

    If you want to complete the list, the least you could do is mention the Gold Card, Super Gold Card, Q40 and Q60.

    Gold card was a memory/floppy/rom expansion with a full 68000 to allow it to use the 2 Meg RAM it had onboard.

    The SuperGold card was a 68010 with 4 Meg RAM

    The Q40 and Q60 are new QL compatible motherboards with... surprisingly
    enough, a 68040 and the 68060.
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  • From *ProteanThread*@os65000 at yahoo dot com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Monday, June 21, 2004 17:55:45
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "Stan Barr" <stanb45@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message news:slrncdd7e2.ui8.stanb45@citadel.metropolis.local...

    And:
    Tandy TRS-80 Models 1,3 and 4
    Tatung Einstein
    Sharp MZ-80

    And to the 6502:
    Acorn (Atom and BBC)
    Ohio Scientific (Superboard and Challenger)
    Oric

    Also:

    8080:
    Various mostly CP/M machines like MSI

    8085:
    Panasonic
    Rair Black Box

    TMS-9900(?):
    Texas Instruments TI-99

    And of course there were other processors like the RCA 1802 and the SC/MP which were used in a few machines...

    --
    Cheers,
    Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com
    (Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.)

    The future was never like this!



    boy , have i got my work cut out



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  • From *ProteanThread*@os65000 at yahoo dot com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 07:27:50
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "Darren Salt" <news@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> wrote in message news:4CC2A1B0C5%news@youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid...
    I demand that Stanley may or may not have written...

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote in message news:<6JidndeLZ5kYgkvdRVn-jA@bresnan.com>...
    where can i find a *TABLE* or *CHART* that lists which machine or
    system
    (PC, Console, or otherwise) had which CPU?

    Rough estimation of CPUs used is shown here on my page: http://emul8.xlabs.sk/emulators/

    You're missing the Acorn Atom and BBC model A and B+ (6502), and the BBC Master and Master Compact (6512).

    And the Spectrum +2A. ;-)

    --
    | Darren Salt | nr. Ashington, | d youmustbejoking,demon,co,uk


    See the link I found: http://mo5.com/MHI/micros.php

    does it cover all systems and all cpu's ?


    --

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    http://rtdos.com/chat
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  • From momo@quality_us@yahoo.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 23:32:30
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "Stan Barr" <stanb45@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message news:slrncdd7e2.ui8.stanb45@citadel.metropolis.local...
    On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 03:23:18 GMT, Sam Gillett <samgillettnospam@diespammermsn.com> wrote:

    "*ProteanThread*" <os65000 at yahoo dot com> wrote ...

    Z80
    timex / sinclair
    MSX ?
    Vtech VZ200 / 300
    Mattel Aquarius
    Sega Master System

    Add to your Z80 list the Zenith, and most of the CP/M machines that were >popular in the 1970's.

    And:
    Tandy TRS-80 Models 1,3 and 4


    As Long as we are being highly specific here, the TRS-80 model 1 had a Z80,
    the model 3/4's had Z80A's
    Of course I'm sure someone will have something to add to this.
    Mo



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  • From Andreas Magenheimer@magea000@students.uni-mainz.de to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Friday, June 25, 2004 12:37:09
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    Well,
    and one of the fist 68000 CPU`s was afaik used in the TI 99/4A, a 68009
    if I remember correctly (or was it something totally different?). Ok, I
    never owned a TI, so I can only recall what I read in some
    magazines... -andreas.

    P.S.: My old chesscomputer by hegener & glaser also used a 6xxx CPU (a
    6500Y or 6800Y, where Y meant Yamaha; it had 16kbytes ROM and 256 Bytes
    RAM)...



    "|

    On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:17:15 +0200, "Konrad Kokoszkiewicz" <draco@obta.uw.edu.pl> wrote:

    Yes. And some model of Apple (Apple IIcx?) used 65c816 - or it was >upgradable to 65c816, I don't remember.

    that's the Apple IIgs you are thinking of the SNES also uses this
    processor.

    Also the 6509 was used in the Atari 2600

    kvn
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  • From Peter van Merkerk@merkerk@deadspam.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Friday, June 25, 2004 13:01:36
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    Andreas Magenheimer wrote:

    Well,
    and one of the fist 68000 CPU`s was afaik used in the TI 99/4A, a 68009
    if I remember correctly (or was it something totally different?).

    I'm afraid you are wrong on this one. The TI 99/4A uses a TMS 9900 CPU.

    --
    Peter van Merkerk
    peter.van.merkerk(at)dse.nl
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  • From kryten_droid@kryten_droid@ntlworld.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Friday, June 25, 2004 12:04:20
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "Andreas Magenheimer" <magea000@students.uni-mainz.de> wrote in message news:40DC0055.3FEDB3D1@students.uni-mainz.de...
    and one of the fist 68000 CPU`s was AFAIK used in the TI 99/4A, a 68009
    if I remember correctly (or was it something totally different?).

    No, it used a TMS-9900 CPU.
    TI's own design. 16-bit internal, 8-bit external. http://www.netten.net/~garycox/ti99idx.htm

    The Atari 2600 used a 6507 CPU.
    It is just a 6502 chip in a 28-pin package.
    http://www.s-direktnet.de/homepages/k_nadj/2600.html


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  • From Randy McLaughlin@randy482@nospam.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Friday, June 25, 2004 11:35:37
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "kryten_droid" <kryten_droid@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:nwUCc.72$5x4.7@newsfe2-win...
    "Andreas Magenheimer" <magea000@students.uni-mainz.de> wrote in message news:40DC0055.3FEDB3D1@students.uni-mainz.de...
    and one of the fist 68000 CPU`s was AFAIK used in the TI 99/4A, a 68009
    if I remember correctly (or was it something totally different?).

    No, it used a TMS-9900 CPU.
    TI's own design. 16-bit internal, 8-bit external. http://www.netten.net/~garycox/ti99idx.htm

    No the TMS9900 is 16bit internally and externally. The TI-99/4(A) did a
    double byte fetch to use external 8 bit RAM using external hardware that
    added wait states so both fetches could be done.


    The Atari 2600 used a 6507 CPU.
    It is just a 6502 chip in a 28-pin package.
    http://www.s-direktnet.de/homepages/k_nadj/2600.html


    Randy


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  • From Cameron Kaiser@ckaiser@floodgap.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Saturday, June 26, 2004 02:04:16
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    "Randy McLaughlin" <randy482@nospam.com> writes:

    No, it used a TMS-9900 CPU.
    TI's own design. 16-bit internal, 8-bit external. >>http://www.netten.net/~garycox/ti99idx.htm

    No the TMS9900 is 16bit internally and externally. The TI-99/4(A) did a >double byte fetch to use external 8 bit RAM using external hardware that >added wait states so both fetches could be done.

    He might have been thinking of the TMS9995, which is also 16-bit externally
    and internally, but only exposes eight data pins (muxing them to get the
    full 16-bit word). The 9900 in the 99/4(A) is sort of that way, but only as
    a consequence of that specific model's engineering, and not because it can't run sixteen data lines.

    --
    Cameron Kaiser * ckaiser@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128
    personal page: http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/
    ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! **
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  • From Henry@Henry@Koplien.de to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Saturday, June 26, 2004 07:36:59
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    In <nwUCc.72$5x4.7@newsfe2-win> "kryten_droid" wrote:
    "Andreas Magenheimer" <magea000@students.uni-mainz.de> wrote in message news:40DC0055.3FEDB3D1@students.uni-mainz.de...
    and one of the fist 68000 CPU`s was AFAIK used in the TI 99/4A, a
    68009
    if I remember correctly (or was it something totally different?).

    No, it used a TMS-9900 CPU.
    TI's own design. 16-bit internal, 8-bit external. http://www.netten.net/~garycox/ti99idx.htm

    Not the CPU, the console yes. The CPU was full 16 bit.

    Henry

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  • From Henry@Henry@Koplien.de to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Saturday, June 26, 2004 07:39:53
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    In <40dccf70$0$1561$45beb828@newscene.com> Cameron Kaiser wrote:
    "Randy McLaughlin" <randy482@nospam.com> writes:

    No, it used a TMS-9900 CPU.
    TI's own design. 16-bit internal, 8-bit external. >>http://www.netten.net/~garycox/ti99idx.htm

    No the TMS9900 is 16bit internally and externally. The TI-99/4(A) did
    a
    double byte fetch to use external 8 bit RAM using external hardware
    that
    added wait states so both fetches could be done.

    He might have been thinking of the TMS9995, which is also 16-bit
    externally
    and internally, but only exposes eight data pins (muxing them to get
    the
    full 16-bit word). The 9900 in the 99/4(A) is sort of that way, but
    only as
    a consequence of that specific model's engineering, and not because it
    can't
    run sixteen data lines.



    But wasn't the timeline tms9900 and then tms9995?? (and then tms99105)

    Henry

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  • From Tom Lake@tlake@twcny.rr.com to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:47:13
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    No, it used a TMS-9900 CPU.
    TI's own design. 16-bit internal, 8-bit external. http://www.netten.net/~garycox/ti99idx.htm

    No the TMS9900 is 16bit internally and externally. The TI-99/4(A) did a double byte fetch to use external 8 bit RAM using external hardware that added wait states so both fetches could be done.

    True. The TI-99/4 (and A model too) used a full 16-bit internal and
    external CPU. Only 256 bytes (yes, bytes, not K!) were on the 16-bit bus, though. The 16K advertised was actually in the address space of the VDP,
    not the CPU and was only 8-bit.

    Tom Lake


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  • From Spiro Trikaliotis@news+200406@trikaliotis.net to comp.sys.atari.8bit,comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.sinclair,comp.sys.tandy,comp.sys.ti on Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:53:43
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    Hello,

    ["Followup-To:" set to comp.sys.cbm]

    Henry@Koplien.de <Henry@Koplien.de> schrieb:

    In <40dccf70$0$1561$45beb828@newscene.com> Cameron Kaiser wrote:

    He might have been thinking of the TMS9995, which is also 16-bit
    externally and internally, but only exposes eight data pins (muxing
    them to get the full 16-bit word). The 9900 in the 99/4(A) is sort of
    that way, but only as a consequence of that specific model's
    engineering, and not because it can't run sixteen data lines.

    But wasn't the timeline tms9900 and then tms9995?? (and then tms99105)

    What does this tell us? Even the 8086 (16/16 bit) was before the 8088
    (16/8), so it seems to me to be the same thing. Nevertheless, the 8086
    was already ununsed in the early days because of its high costs.

    Regards,
    Spiro.

    --
    Spiro R. Trikaliotis
    http://www.trikaliotis.net/
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  • From Cameron Kaiser@ckaiser@floodgap.com to comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.ti on Sunday, June 27, 2004 08:42:15
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.cbm

    References trimmed. Crossposted to comp.sys.ti (this is on topic there).

    anoneds@netscape.net (Ben Yates) writes:

    He might have been thinking of the TMS9995, which is also 16-bit >>>>>externally and internally, but only exposes eight data pins (muxing >>>>>them to get the full 16-bit word). The 9900 in the 99/4(A) is sort of >>>>>that way, but only as a consequence of that specific model's >>>>>engineering, and not because it can't run sixteen data lines.

    But wasn't the timeline tms9900 and then tms9995?? (and then tms99105)

    What does this tell us? Even the 8086 (16/16 bit) was before the 8088 >>>(16/8), so it seems to me to be the same thing.
    was already ununsed in the early days because of its high costs.

    A later console (Geneve I think) was equiped with a TMS9995.

    And yet, the TMS9995 was faster than the 9900. The Geneve was 4-5
    times faster than the 99/4A, both through design of the computer (the
    9995 was fully exploited whereas the 9900 on the 99/4A was multiplexed
    [... excellent tech discussion snipped ...]
    So, the 8-bit computer was 4-5 times faster than it's 16-bit
    predecessor.

    Strictly speaking, it's a 16-bit CPU with a muxed 8-bit data path, but I
    know you knew that :) ... I'm just being pedantic, since my Tomy Tutor has
    a TMS9995, and I have to be picky where my first computer is concerned. :)

    --
    Cameron Kaiser * ckaiser@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128
    personal page: http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/
    ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! **
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  • From anoneds@anoneds@netscape.net (Ben Yates) to comp.sys.cbm,comp.sys.ti on Sunday, June 27, 2004 14:10:01
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    Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser@floodgap.com> wrote in message news:<40dece18$0$43386$45beb828@newscene.com>...
    References trimmed. Crossposted to comp.sys.ti (this is on topic there).

    anoneds@netscape.net (Ben Yates) writes:

    And yet, the TMS9995 was faster than the 9900. The Geneve was 4-5
    times faster than the 99/4A, both through design of the computer (the
    9995 was fully exploited whereas the 9900 on the 99/4A was multiplexed
    [... excellent tech discussion snipped ...]
    So, the 8-bit computer was 4-5 times faster than it's 16-bit
    predecessor.

    Strictly speaking, it's a 16-bit CPU with a muxed 8-bit data path, but I
    know you knew that :) ... I'm just being pedantic, since my Tomy Tutor has
    a TMS9995, and I have to be picky where my first computer is concerned. :)

    Yes, you're right. But I guess I didn't really want to bring it up,
    because there are those out there who will now join this discussion
    and argue 'til they are blue in the face that a uP with an 8-bit
    connection to the outside world is 8-bit even if it has every feature
    plus more than a 16-bit internally and works internally the same way
    as its 16-bit predecessor in the same processer family. Kind of hard
    to argue either way, which is why many call the 9900 8-bit just
    because it was muxed externally on a 99/4(A) to 8-bit for _most_ of
    its address space.

    I almost bought a Tutor once at Kmart when they were dumping them. I
    was _sure_ it was TI related, just by the looks of the manual, but it
    didn't list details. I'm sad now that I didn't pick one up...

    I really wanted some in the TI community to do comparisons between the
    Geneve and the SGCPU (another computer on a board for the TI expansion
    system utilizing a fully exploited 9900). No one ever did. But I
    believe I remember Michael Becker the designer of that board saying
    the Geneve was still faster, esp. because of the pre-fetch.

    And there was a lot of misdirection in the TI community about the
    Geneve being 12mhz, when that was the clock rate and it is a
    four-phase cycle, giving 3mhz, same as the 9900 on the 4A. But the 4-5
    times speed difference does appear to be real, mainly due to the
    pre-fetch and the on-board registers I guess. And the removed
    wait-states (there are 4 between the TI console and P-Box). I still
    haven't heard the results of the mod to remove the wait-states that
    Thierry Nouspikel posted. That is one mod I would really like to try,
    esp. the easy version that switches between 4 wait states and 0. The
    version that allows choices between 0, 1, 2, 3 and 4 is a little
    complicated (an understatement).

    Ben
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