My wife wants me to install Zoom in her computer (MacBook Air, several
years old; OS 10.8.5). Unfortunately she doesn't have any idea what her system password is -- indeed, she didn't know she even had a system password. Is there any way to find out? With the Terminal perhaps? I
expect Lewis will know if there is an answer -- anyone else?
In article <i2hovjF1nhmU1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
My wife wants me to install Zoom in her computer (MacBook Air, several
years old; OS 10.8.5). Unfortunately she doesn't have any idea what her
system password is -- indeed, she didn't know she even had a system
password. Is there any way to find out? With the Terminal perhaps? I
expect Lewis will know if there is an answer -- anyone else?
no. that would be a huge security hole. however you can reset the
password to something new.
keep in mind that the keychain password will not be reset, which will
likely cause various problems going forward because they're now
different.
you could just keep trying to guess what it is.
better yet, do not use zoom at all. it's a *huge* security disaster and
its use has been banned or restricted by many, many entities, including
the united states senate, new york public schools, apple, google, nasa, space-x, germany, singapore, taiwan and many more.
On 2020-11-29 14:57:41 +0000, nospam said:<snip>
In article <i2hovjF1nhmU1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
better yet, do not use zoom at all. it's a *huge* security disaster and
its use has been banned or restricted by many, many entities, including
the united states senate, new york public schools, apple, google, nasa,
space-x, germany, singapore, taiwan and many more.
That would be my choice too, but unfortunately the meeting she wants to attend is a Zoom meeting, set by the organizer with no alternative.
My wife wants me to install Zoom in her computer (MacBook Air, several
years old; OS 10.8.5). Unfortunately she doesn't have any idea what her system password is -- indeed, she didn't know she even had a system password. Is there any way to find out? With the Terminal perhaps? I
expect Lewis will know if there is an answer -- anyone else?
better yet, do not use zoom at all. it's a *huge* security disaster and
better yet, do not use zoom at all. it's a *huge* security disaster and
It WAS. It's security is fine now.
In message <291120200957413493%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
better yet, do not use zoom at all. it's a *huge* security disaster and
It WAS. It's security is fine now.
My wife wants me to install Zoom in her computer (MacBook Air, several
years old; OS 10.8.5). Unfortunately she doesn't have any idea what her system password is -- indeed, she didn't know she even had a system password. Is there any way to find out? With the Terminal perhaps? I
expect Lewis will know if there is an answer -- anyone else?
In article <slrnrs82jl.v8c.g.kreme@claragold.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
better yet, do not use zoom at all. it's a *huge* security disaster and
It WAS. It's security is fine now.
they've addressed some of the issues, but it's still the same sleazy
company who continues to make false claims.
there are numerous other video conferencing systems available.
In article <slrnrs82jl.v8c.g.kreme@claragold.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
better yet, do not use zoom at all. it's a *huge* security disaster and
It WAS. It's security is fine now.
they've addressed some of the issues,
but it's still the same sleazy company who continues to make false
claims.
there are numerous other video conferencing systems available.
On 2020-11-29 6:19 a.m., Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
My wife wants me to install Zoom in her computer (MacBook Air, several
years old; OS 10.8.5). Unfortunately she doesn't have any idea what her
system password is -- indeed, she didn't know she even had a system
password. Is there any way to find out? With the Terminal perhaps? I
expect Lewis will know if there is an answer -- anyone else?
She's never had to log in to the machine? Ever?
Because the "system password" being requested is just the name and
password of a user account with administrator privileges.
Furthermore, if she has forgotten her password, you could try this:
use Single User Mode and use command line tools to directly create a new user and make it a member of administrator group:
From Stack Exchange:
<quote>
First you boot in Single User Mode (Cmd-S at boot). When the system
boots up and prompt #root is displayed type following commands:
The advantage of this is that you can create another account with administrator privileges without changing your wife's password (which
would cause her keychain to be locked; losing all the passwords they
usually contain).
In message <rq14k9$69p$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-29 6:19 a.m., Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
My wife wants me to install Zoom in her computer (MacBook Air, several
years old; OS 10.8.5). Unfortunately she doesn't have any idea what her
system password is -- indeed, she didn't know she even had a system
password. Is there any way to find out? With the Terminal perhaps? I
expect Lewis will know if there is an answer -- anyone else?
She's never had to log in to the machine? Ever?
Because the "system password" being requested is just the name and
password of a user account with administrator privileges.
Furthermore, if she has forgotten her password, you could try this:
use Single User Mode and use command line tools to directly create a new
user and make it a member of administrator group:
From Stack Exchange:
<quote>
First you boot in Single User Mode (Cmd-S at boot). When the system
boots up and prompt #root is displayed type following commands:
this is not the way. reset the password as I outlined in another post.
While this multi-step process will work if you get it right, it might
fail spectacularly if you get it even a tiny bit wrong.
The advantage of this is that you can create another account with
administrator privileges without changing your wife's password (which
would cause her keychain to be locked; losing all the passwords they
usually contain).
If she doesn't know her password, she can’t have added very much to her keychain.
On 2020-11-29 6:19 a.m., Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:<snip>
My wife wants me to install Zoom in her computer (MacBook Air, several
years old; OS 10.8.5). Unfortunately she doesn't have any idea what her
system password is -- indeed, she didn't know she even had a system
password. Is there any way to find out? With the Terminal perhaps? I
expect Lewis will know if there is an answer -- anyone else?
She's never had to log in to the machine? Ever?
On 2020-11-29 2:35 p.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <rq14k9$69p$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-29 6:19 a.m., Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
My wife wants me to install Zoom in her computer (MacBook Air, several >>>> years old; OS 10.8.5). Unfortunately she doesn't have any idea what her >>>> system password is -- indeed, she didn't know she even had a system
password. Is there any way to find out? With the Terminal perhaps? I
expect Lewis will know if there is an answer -- anyone else?
She's never had to log in to the machine? Ever?
Because the "system password" being requested is just the name and
password of a user account with administrator privileges.
Furthermore, if she has forgotten her password, you could try this:
use Single User Mode and use command line tools to directly create a new >>> user and make it a member of administrator group:
From Stack Exchange:
<quote>
First you boot in Single User Mode (Cmd-S at boot). When the system
boots up and prompt #root is displayed type following commands:
this is not the way. reset the password as I outlined in another post.
While this multi-step process will work if you get it right, it might
fail spectacularly if you get it even a tiny bit wrong.
1. Resetting the passwords results in the login keychain being lost.
2. You don't know the technical ability of the person asking.
3. It MIGHT fail spectacularly... ...but it will probably fail benignly.
If she doesn't know her password, she can’t have added very much to her
keychain.
Completely wrong.
In a normal Mac user set up, you never need to use your password to
either add items to the keychain or to use them.
In message <rq1804$q63$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-29 2:35 p.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <rq14k9$69p$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-29 6:19 a.m., Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
My wife wants me to install Zoom in her computer (MacBook Air, several >>>>> years old; OS 10.8.5). Unfortunately she doesn't have any idea what her >>>>> system password is -- indeed, she didn't know she even had a system
password. Is there any way to find out? With the Terminal perhaps? I >>>>> expect Lewis will know if there is an answer -- anyone else?
She's never had to log in to the machine? Ever?
Because the "system password" being requested is just the name and
password of a user account with administrator privileges.
Furthermore, if she has forgotten her password, you could try this:
use Single User Mode and use command line tools to directly create a new >>>> user and make it a member of administrator group:
From Stack Exchange:
<quote>
First you boot in Single User Mode (Cmd-S at boot). When the system
boots up and prompt #root is displayed type following commands:
this is not the way. reset the password as I outlined in another post.
While this multi-step process will work if you get it right, it might
fail spectacularly if you get it even a tiny bit wrong.
1. Resetting the passwords results in the login keychain being lost.
Yep. And if you cannot remember the user's password you will lose the keychain anyway, right?
2. You don't know the technical ability of the person asking.
I can guess based on not knowing how to reset the admin password in
the first place.
3. It MIGHT fail spectacularly... ...but it will probably fail benignly.
Depends on exactly how careful you are when typing.
If she doesn't know her password, she can’t have added very much to her >>> keychain.
Completely wrong.
Entirely right.
In a normal Mac user set up, you never need to use your password to
either add items to the keychain or to use them.
How amusing. I was JUST asked to add a password to my keychain a few
minutes ago.
On 2020-11-29 1:04 p.m., nospam wrote:
In article <slrnrs82jl.v8c.g.kreme@claragold.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
better yet, do not use zoom at all. it's a *huge* security disaster and >>>It WAS. It's security is fine now.
they've addressed some of the issues, but it's still the same sleazy
company who continues to make false claims.
there are numerous other video conferencing systems available.
None of which matters if the organizer of a meeting you need to attend
is set on using Zoom.
On 2020-11-29 9:06 p.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <rq1804$q63$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
In a normal Mac user set up, you never need to use your password to
either add items to the keychain or to use them.
How amusing. I was JUST asked to add a password to my keychain a few
minutes ago.
But were you asked to provide YOUR password FOR THE KEYCHAIN ITSELF in
order to do that?
In message <rq2a8h$r1j$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-29 9:06 p.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <rq1804$q63$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
In a normal Mac user set up, you never need to use your password to
either add items to the keychain or to use them.
How amusing. I was JUST asked to add a password to my keychain a few
minutes ago.
But were you asked to provide YOUR password FOR THE KEYCHAIN ITSELF in
order to do that?
Yes.
Hell, i type in my password when using the computer many times a day,
and that is WITH TouchID and a paired Watch, which obviates the need for
many times I need to enter the password.
On 2020-11-30 5:21 a.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <rq2a8h$r1j$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-29 9:06 p.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <rq1804$q63$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
In a normal Mac user set up, you never need to use your password to
either add items to the keychain or to use them.
How amusing. I was JUST asked to add a password to my keychain a few
minutes ago.
But were you asked to provide YOUR password FOR THE KEYCHAIN ITSELF in
order to do that?
Yes.
Hell, i type in my password when using the computer many times a day,
and that is WITH TouchID and a paired Watch, which obviates the need for
many times I need to enter the password.
Post screenshot of the place where you turn on that option (to require
the user's password to add an entry to the login Keychain).
In message <rq3luu$5gs$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-30 5:21 a.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <rq2a8h$r1j$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2020-11-29 9:06 p.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <rq1804$q63$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
In a normal Mac user set up, you never need to use your password to >>>>>> either add items to the keychain or to use them.
How amusing. I was JUST asked to add a password to my keychain a few >>>>> minutes ago.
But were you asked to provide YOUR password FOR THE KEYCHAIN ITSELF in >>>> order to do that?
Yes.
Hell, i type in my password when using the computer many times a day,
and that is WITH TouchID and a paired Watch, which obviates the need for >>> many times I need to enter the password.
Post screenshot of the place where you turn on that option (to require
the user's password to add an entry to the login Keychain).
I did not change anything. Sometimes the system asks for the keychain
to be unlocked. It has, as near as I can recall, always done this.
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