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Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux with 3D acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make Linux run
natively on new Macs with M1 chip — and possibly on any other Apple
Silicon Mac.

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On 2020-12-01 03:47, Lewis wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux with 3D acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make Linux run
natively on new Macs with M1 chip — and possibly on any other Apple
Silicon Mac.

Didn't you or your ilk insult men because you claimed Linux was already avaialble on M1 Macs? I pointed to an arstechnical article stating it
wasn't available. You insult. Now you post article that confirms not
available.
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In message <qtoxH.50156$lP1.16627@fx37.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

On 2020-12-01 03:47, Lewis wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux with 3D
acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make Linux run
natively on new Macs with M1 chip — and possibly on any other Apple
Silicon Mac.

Didn't you or your ilk insult men because you claimed Linux was already avaialble on M1 Macs?

It is important, though apparently impossible for you, to read ALL THE
WORDS.

Linux IS available on M1 Macs via the hypervisor. This is a project to
run it "natively". The word "natively" is right there where you failed
to read it.

You have claimed repeatedly that this is impossible.

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JF Mezei wrote:

On 2020-12-01 03:47, Lewis wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux with 3D
acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make Linux run
natively on new Macs with M1 chip — and possibly on any other Apple
Silicon Mac.

Didn't you or your ilk insult men because you claimed Linux was already avaialble on M1 Macs? I pointed to an arstechnical article stating it
wasn't available. You insult. Now you post article that confirms not available.

Linux can be run virtualized, as shown in one of the Apple events, but not natively. The problem is lack of drivers. I suspect it would be fairly easy to make *some* Linux run natively right now, but you wouldn't be able to use GPU or all of those specialized chips for ML or DSP, so it's going to be shit.

I don't see benefits of installing native Linux right now, but when Apple
drops support for M1 macs, you could ditch unsupported macOS and run Linux
with all the up-to-date software.

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On 2020-12-01, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote: ><https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>

Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux with 3D acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make Linux run
natively on new Macs with M1 chip — and possibly on any other Apple
Silicon Mac.

Waste of time as far as I'm concerned. I can already run most open
source *nix software natively in macOS, which has a *much* better user experience than any Linux distribution offers.

No thanks.

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On 2020-12-01, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux with 3D
acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make Linux run
natively on new Macs with M1 chip — and possibly on any other Apple
Silicon Mac.

Waste of time as far as I'm concerned. I can already run most open
source *nix software natively in macOS, which has a *much* better user experience than any Linux distribution offers.

No thanks.

I concur wholeheartedly
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On 2020-12-01 10:44:06 +0000, Krzysztof Mitko said:

JF Mezei wrote:

On 2020-12-01 03:47, Lewis wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux with 3D >>> acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make Linux run
natively on new Macs with M1 chip - and possibly on any other Apple
Silicon Mac.

Didn't you or your ilk insult men because you claimed Linux was already
avaialble on M1 Macs? I pointed to an arstechnical article stating it
wasn't available. You insult. Now you post article that confirms not
available.

Linux can be run virtualized, as shown in one of the Apple events, but not natively. The problem is lack of drivers. I suspect it would be fairly easy to
make *some* Linux run natively right now, but you wouldn't be able to use GPU or all of those specialized chips for ML or DSP, so it's going to be shit.

I don't see benefits of installing native Linux right now, but when Apple drops support for M1 macs, you could ditch unsupported macOS and run Linux with all the up-to-date software.

Except that there's hardly any software for Linux for *normal* users.
No Microsloth Office, no Adobe Photoshop, no FileMaker Pro, etc. and
even less games than the Mac has. There are no doubt half-assed clones
and knock-offs, but none of the proper applications. You may as well
just buy a new Mac, or {shudder} Windoze, and have the real software.

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On 2020-12-01 12:24, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux with 3D
acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make Linux run
natively on new Macs with M1 chip — and possibly on any other Apple
Silicon Mac.

Waste of time as far as I'm concerned. I can already run most open
source *nix software natively in macOS, which has a *much* better user experience than any Linux distribution offers.

I started to write a version of the above, but that's it in a nutshell.

20 years ago I would have said: "Fantastic!"
10 years ago: "Ok, cool"
Now: "That's nice. G'luck."

As to Linux, great operating system for the things it does well[1].
What it doesn't do well is pretty much everything for desktop/office computing. Horrible desktops. Forget the degree of cross device
integration that Apple offers (Mac OS, iOS, etc.).

[1] Servers, databases, appliance h/w (routers, switches, Wifi bases,
too many to mention), control systems, etc. and so on.
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Your Name wrote:

On 2020-12-01 10:44:06 +0000, Krzysztof Mitko said:

JF Mezei wrote:

On 2020-12-01 03:47, Lewis wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux with 3D >>>> acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make Linux run
natively on new Macs with M1 chip - and possibly on any other Apple
Silicon Mac.

Didn't you or your ilk insult men because you claimed Linux was already >>> avaialble on M1 Macs? I pointed to an arstechnical article stating it
wasn't available. You insult. Now you post article that confirms not
available.

Linux can be run virtualized, as shown in one of the Apple events, but not >> natively. The problem is lack of drivers. I suspect it would be fairly easy >> to
make *some* Linux run natively right now, but you wouldn't be able to use >> GPU
or all of those specialized chips for ML or DSP, so it's going to be shit. >>
I don't see benefits of installing native Linux right now, but when Apple >> drops support for M1 macs, you could ditch unsupported macOS and run Linux >> with all the up-to-date software.

Except that there's hardly any software for Linux for *normal* users.
No Microsloth Office, no Adobe Photoshop, no FileMaker Pro, etc. and
even less games than the Mac has. There are no doubt half-assed clones
and knock-offs, but none of the proper applications. You may as well
just buy a new Mac, or {shudder} Windoze, and have the real software.

Simple scenario: you turn an old, unsupported Mac mini into a small server for the office. Some people might want to do that (of course I agree not a big %). It's better to install current Linux distribution than to run an old OS X and it won't matter there's no MS Office.

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In message <i2ncirF4b57U2@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux with 3D
acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make Linux run
natively on new Macs with M1 chip — and possibly on any other Apple
Silicon Mac.

Waste of time as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, I agree, it's very silly. But then again, getting linux onto a PS4
was also silly.

I can already run most open source *nix software natively in macOS,
which has a *much* better user experience than any Linux distribution
offers.

Heck, you can just run Ubuntu if you want.

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In message <rq56pm$if3$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:

JF Mezei wrote:

On 2020-12-01 03:47, Lewis wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux with 3D >>> acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make Linux run
natively on new Macs with M1 chip — and possibly on any other Apple
Silicon Mac.

Didn't you or your ilk insult men because you claimed Linux was already
avaialble on M1 Macs? I pointed to an arstechnical article stating it
wasn't available. You insult. Now you post article that confirms not
available.

Linux can be run virtualized, ... but not natively.

A distinction without a meaningful difference.

I don't see benefits of installing native Linux right now, but when Apple drops support for M1 macs, you could ditch unsupported macOS and run Linux with all the up-to-date software.

Bwahahaha.



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On 2020-12-01, Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> wrote:

On 2020-12-01 12:24, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux
with 3D acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make
Linux run natively on new Macs with M1 chip — and possibly on any
other Apple Silicon Mac.

Waste of time as far as I'm concerned. I can already run most open
source *nix software natively in macOS, which has a *much* better
user experience than any Linux distribution offers.

I started to write a version of the above, but that's it in a
nutshell.

20 years ago I would have said: "Fantastic!" 10 years ago: "Ok, cool"
Now: "That's nice. G'luck."

As to Linux, great operating system for the things it does well[1].
What it doesn't do well is pretty much everything for desktop/office computing. Horrible desktops. Forget the degree of cross device
integration that Apple offers (Mac OS, iOS, etc.).

[1] Servers, databases, appliance h/w (routers, switches, Wifi bases,
too many to mention), control systems, etc. and so on.

Exactly. I prefer to use the best tool for the job - for desktop
computing, Linux ain't it.

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> wrote:

On 2020-12-01 12:24, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety of
devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought Linux
with 3D acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to make
Linux run natively on new Macs with M1 chip ??? and possibly on any
other Apple Silicon Mac.

Waste of time as far as I'm concerned. I can already run most open
source *nix software natively in macOS, which has a *much* better
user experience than any Linux distribution offers.

I started to write a version of the above, but that's it in a
nutshell.

20 years ago I would have said: "Fantastic!" 10 years ago: "Ok, cool"
Now: "That's nice. G'luck."

As to Linux, great operating system for the things it does well[1].
What it doesn't do well is pretty much everything for desktop/office computing. Horrible desktops. Forget the degree of cross device integration that Apple offers (Mac OS, iOS, etc.).

[1] Servers, databases, appliance h/w (routers, switches, Wifi bases,
too many to mention), control systems, etc. and so on.

Exactly. I prefer to use the best tool for the job - for desktop
computing, Linux ain't it.

For me, I use all: mac OS, iOS, Windows, Linux, etc.
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On 2020-12-02 11:41, Jolly Roger wrote:

Exactly. I prefer to use the best tool for the job - for desktop
computing, Linux ain't it.

The Mini makes for a good headless server. So Linux on it would make
sense. (but in 2020, you expect 10gbps Ethernet on a server, the M1
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On 2020-12-03, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> wrote:

On 2020-12-01 12:24, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

<https://apple.news/AcUt4L1h2TV2H8Kgna7geOQ>
Hector Martin is a developer known for porting Linux to a variety
of devices. Back in 2016, he announced a project that brought
Linux with 3D acceleration to PlayStation 4. Now, Martin wants to
make Linux run natively on new Macs with M1 chip ??? and possibly
on any other Apple Silicon Mac.

Waste of time as far as I'm concerned. I can already run most open
source *nix software natively in macOS, which has a *much* better
user experience than any Linux distribution offers.

I started to write a version of the above, but that's it in a
nutshell.

20 years ago I would have said: "Fantastic!" 10 years ago: "Ok,
cool" Now: "That's nice. G'luck."

As to Linux, great operating system for the things it does well[1].
What it doesn't do well is pretty much everything for
desktop/office computing. Horrible desktops. Forget the degree of
cross device integration that Apple offers (Mac OS, iOS, etc.).

[1] Servers, databases, appliance h/w (routers, switches, Wifi
bases, too many to mention), control systems, etc. and so on.

Exactly. I prefer to use the best tool for the job - for desktop
computing, Linux ain't it.

For me, I use all: mac OS, iOS, Windows, Linux, etc.

*sigh*... Pay attention, please. I didn't say I don't use other
platforms. I've used and written software for all of the above
mainstream platforms since the 1980s when there were no standardized
mainstream platforms. I make a living developing enterprise software for
Linux, Windows, macOS, etc on a daily basis.

What I am saying is for *desktop computing*, Linux is nowhere near as
useful as macOS.

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On 2020-12-03, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

On 2020-12-02 11:41, Jolly Roger wrote:

Exactly. I prefer to use the best tool for the job - for desktop
computing, Linux ain't it.

The Mini makes for a good headless server. So Linux on it would make
sense.

Please. The Mac mini makes a good headless server *without* Linux.

But I wasn't talking about *servers* - I was talking about *desktop*
computing, where macOS excels over Linux in lots of important ways.

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