Make sure you pay the extra money for AppleCare... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY7DtKMBxBw
As to repair ability, making things repairable increases the cost of manufacturing as well as making things less compact. How many people
that have smart phones with removable batteries ever replaced a battery? Very few.
Regarding this thread where Apple reduces functionality to sell it back:
o Want a charger with your iPhone 12? Move to Brazil., by sms <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/qu_RTwBgsf8>
Regarding this thread where Apple reduces functionality to sell it back:
o Want a charger with your iPhone 12? Move to Brazil., by sms
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/qu_RTwBgsf8>
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 14:50:27 -0800, sms wrote:
<> I think that Apple really wants to encourage users to move 100%
<> wireless, with wireless charging and wireless headphones (preferably
<> all from Apple!).
Apple is the finest MARKETING organization on the planet, IMHO.
o There's a good reason Apple _removed_ competitors just prior to launch.
o Apple Stops Selling Rival Earphones, Speakers Ahead of Launches (Bose, Sonos, & some Logitech gear)
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/6NXqFzxwFwA>
<> I would not be surprised if the next port to disappear
<> from iPhones is the Lightning port, maybe not on the iPhone 13 or 14,
<> but by the 15 or 16.
What's interesting is how slow these Type II apologists are to data uptake
o Apple is killing the charging plug on its highest-end phones by 2021, top analyst predicts
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/NXl5qpnELn8>
That was dated a _year_ ago, so we've known this for quite a long time
That's because Android consumers, in general, aren't like Apple gullibles.
o Android consumers, for example, _demand_ basic aux jack functionality
Android consumers, in general, _demand_ sdcard expansion functionality
o Android consumers, in general, demand standard non-proprietary cabling
In summary, while nospam is fond of claiming imaginary OEMs following
Apple's lead, I posit they'd _all_ love to have Apple's ungodly profits,
so they too would love to _follow_ Apple in removing functionality so as to sell it back - but - unfortunately for Android OEMS - the Android consumer
is nowhere near as gullible as the typical Apple consumer.
Hence, nearly all Android devices (over 99.5%) have aux jacks...
o All Android devices (100% so far) provide the charger in the box.
On 2020-12-09 4:11 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
I'm an Android user.
I demand that I can uninstall any app that I do not want.
I demand that I will get system updates to fix security leaks for at
least 36 months after purchase.
I can demand anything I want. But what do I get?
I once got an Apple iPod touch as a gift.
I received free system updates for it for many years.
spirit of a Christmas sou
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 07:36:04 +0100, Martin Ôrautmann wrote:
I'm an Android user.
Hi Martin Trautmann,
I can tell you only know what MARKETING has fed you to believe.
o I can also tell you don't realize I own _plenty_ of Apple products!
So all your bullshit is easily proven to be bullshit.
o Like all apologists - you can't comprehend something as simple as a fact.
As it is with you, Martin Trautmann.
Like you, Martin, you can only spout what MARKETING fed you to believe.
o Everything you claim is mere marketing bullshit, easily shown to be so.
You clearly do NOT understand how Android is compared to iOS.
I demand that I can uninstall any app that I do not want.
WTF?
o Are you pulling our leg Martin Trautmann?
Nobody but you has problems deleting apps on Android.
a. If it's an app you added, you just long press on the icon & delete it.
b. If it's a locked app, you simply root it and delete it.
This isn't even something that's all that much different from iOS.
o Where jailbreaking, while a bit more complex than rooting, works on iOS.
So WTF are you complaining about?
o It's only you that can't delete an app.
Nobody else has that problem (on either iOS or Android).
I demand that I will get system updates to fix security leaks for at
least 36 months after purchase.
WTF?
o Are you pulling our leg, Martin Trautmann?
Is there any belief system you own _not_ fed to you by Apple MARKETING?
o None?
Really?
o You don't know _anything_ about Android?
See this thread on those vaunted "updates" for details on why iOS is a
sordid diarrhea of untested updates which is easily proven with the facts:
o When apologists claim iOS is "safer" than Android simply because of the "frequency" of release...
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/voFbGKpUoBo>
Did you even _see_ this thread, just last week, where Google proved, again, that iOS core code dating back to 1985 has _never_ been tested? <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/7Mc1sX9XISA>
Google asked "Was it really that easy?", to which the answer was "Yes".
What good is the iOS diarrhea when you _know_ it has never been tested?
o Frequency of release doesn't make the code test itself you know.
I can demand anything I want. But what do I get?
On Android, they seem to update some of us _too_ frequently:
o Are they updating your Android device too frequently lately? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/a_62P0R-O6M>
I once got an Apple iPod touch as a gift.
I have plenty of iPods.
I use "SharePod" freeware instead of the iTunes abomination.
Do you know _anything_ about the iTunes abomination, Martin Trautmann?
o Apple iTunes and iCloud for Windows 0-Day Exploited in Ransomware Attacks <https://thehackernews.com/2019/10/apple-bonjour-ransomware.html>
I suspect you use the iTunes abomination to manage your iPod, don't you?
o Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/PLzFxNis7jk>
Luckily I have SharePod saved on _all_ my iPods so it works forever!
o Where can you find the OLD versions of SharePod freeware [any version prior to version 3.9.4]?
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/urk_6-GQM2M>
I received free system updates for it for many years.
You do realize that even a five year old Android phone has far more functionality than the most expensive new iPhones ever sold, right?
o Is there any software functionality in the new iPhone 11 that isn't already in an average 5-year old Android phone?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/1D2Sgdlz1-I>
You know there's 0 app functionality on iOS not already on Android, right?
o What functionality you do on iOS you wish you could do on Android? <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/Y5Hy7T8cNtw>
As I said, they update my $100 64GB/4GB 8-core Moto G7 (with sdcard
expansion up to 512GB) too often, but the iPads I own are usually locked to the original version (as much as I can keep them) of iOS because I know
that Apple has _never_ even once sufficiently tested iOS for bugs.
Do you _really_ want me to prove that statement, Martin Trautmann?
o You don't seem to know what I know about iOS security holes.
Here's just _one_ thread on how Apple has _never_ tested iOS sufficiently:
o Google proved Apple accidentally forgot to test for even basic security/privacy in iOS 10 to 12 for over two years
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/gM5ioMg9m8w/m/7U2rz7emAwAJ>
Do you have any idea how many _more_ threads I can show you that prove iOS has never even once ever been tested sufficiently for bugs, Martin?
I bought a iPhone 7+ in January 2017. I updated it to iOS 14 a couple of weeks ago. Every update that has become available from Apple has become available immediately on my 7+. I don´t expect it to be able to update to iOS 15 when it´s available, but who knows. That´s more than fair to me.
The iPhone will be approaching five years worth of immediate updates when iOS
15 comes out.
Not too shabby.
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-12-09 4:11 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
tl;dr
For the last seven months Arlen was the only poster in this nearly
2-year-old thread, posting a dozen replies to himself with not another
soul replying. :-(
In the spirit of a Christmas soup kitchen, Alan is now providing
nourishment to Arlen in this thread. :-9
Thanks for your polite introduction how to treat your discussion
partners.
You clearly do NOT understand how Android is compared to iOS.
OMG
ah. simply root. from which trusted source?
How would I know that this is a secure source and would not do even much worse?
So jailbreaking or rooting is what you would expect to do for a common
user.
Lots of garbage, not answering my demand.
By now I have owned several Android phones which lacked updates - e.g.
from Motorola, while owned by Google - no updates after.
I owned a Sony Xperia. No updates to support critical corona tracking.
So I'm pissed by the typical Android attitude just to sell a phone with a crippled proprietary Android version and not to care about it the next
day after.
I'll leave all your links within this thread - I guess it's your
standard reply where you do repeat your rants again and again. I won't
bother to check after your first friendly introduction to me.
No, I'm not at all interested about your rants because I just don't
trust you.
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 09:44:57 +0100, Martin Ôrautmann wrote:
Thanks for your polite introduction how to treat your discussion
partners.
Hi Martin Trautmann,
I own _all_ the platforms you spoke of, where the facts remain:
o Apple brilliantly feeds people to believe iOS is "safer" than Android
For someone who "owns all those platforms" you know extremely little
about them. Translation: You are lying. As usually
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:30:06 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 07:36:04 +0100, Martin Ôrautmann wrote:
I'm an Android user.
Hi Martin Trautmann,
I can tell you only know what MARKETING has fed you to believe.
o I can also tell you don't realize I own _plenty_ of Apple products!
So all your bullshit is easily proven to be bullshit.
o Like all apologists - you can't comprehend something as simple as a fact.
Thanks for your polite introduction how to treat your discussion
partners.
As it is with you, Martin Trautmann.
Like you, Martin, you can only spout what MARKETING fed you to believe.
o Everything you claim is mere marketing bullshit, easily shown to be so.
You clearly do NOT understand how Android is compared to iOS.
OMG
I demand that I can uninstall any app that I do not want.
WTF?
o Are you pulling our leg Martin Trautmann?
Nobody but you has problems deleting apps on Android.
a. If it's an app you added, you just long press on the icon & delete it.
b. If it's a locked app, you simply root it and delete it.
ah. simply root. from which trusted source?
How would I know that this is a secure source and would not do even much worse?
This isn't even something that's all that much different from iOS.
o Where jailbreaking, while a bit more complex than rooting, works on iOS. >>
So WTF are you complaining about?
o It's only you that can't delete an app.
Nobody else has that problem (on either iOS or Android).
So jailbreaking or rooting is what you would expect to do for a common
user.
I demand that I will get system updates to fix security leaks for at
least 36 months after purchase.
WTF?
o Are you pulling our leg, Martin Trautmann?
Is there any belief system you own _not_ fed to you by Apple MARKETING?
o None?
Really?
o You don't know _anything_ about Android?
See this thread on those vaunted "updates" for details on why iOS is a
sordid diarrhea of untested updates which is easily proven with the facts: >> o When apologists claim iOS is "safer" than Android simply because of the "frequency" of release...
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/voFbGKpUoBo>
Did you even _see_ this thread, just last week, where Google proved, again, >> that iOS core code dating back to 1985 has _never_ been tested?
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/7Mc1sX9XISA>
Google asked "Was it really that easy?", to which the answer was "Yes".
What good is the iOS diarrhea when you _know_ it has never been tested?
o Frequency of release doesn't make the code test itself you know.
I can demand anything I want. But what do I get?
On Android, they seem to update some of us _too_ frequently:
o Are they updating your Android device too frequently lately?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/a_62P0R-O6M>
Lots of garbage, not answering my demand.
By now I have owned several Android phones which lacked updates - e.g.
from Motorola, while owned by Google - no updates after.
I owned a Sony Xperia. No updates to support critical corona tracking.
So I'm pissed by the typical Android attitude just to sell a phone with a crippled proprietary Android version and not to care about it the next
day after.
I once got an Apple iPod touch as a gift.
I have plenty of iPods.
I use "SharePod" freeware instead of the iTunes abomination.
Do you know _anything_ about the iTunes abomination, Martin Trautmann?
o Apple iTunes and iCloud for Windows 0-Day Exploited in Ransomware Attacks >> <https://thehackernews.com/2019/10/apple-bonjour-ransomware.html>
I suspect you use the iTunes abomination to manage your iPod, don't you?
o Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/PLzFxNis7jk>
Luckily I have SharePod saved on _all_ my iPods so it works forever!
o Where can you find the OLD versions of SharePod freeware [any version prior to version 3.9.4]?
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/urk_6-GQM2M>
I'll leave all your links within this thread - I guess it's your
standard reply where you do repeat your rants again and again. I won't
bother to check after your first friendly introduction to me.
I received free system updates for it for many years.
You do realize that even a five year old Android phone has far more
functionality than the most expensive new iPhones ever sold, right?
o Is there any software functionality in the new iPhone 11 that isn't already in an average 5-year old Android phone?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/1D2Sgdlz1-I>
You know there's 0 app functionality on iOS not already on Android, right? >> o What functionality you do on iOS you wish you could do on Android?
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/Y5Hy7T8cNtw>
As I said, they update my $100 64GB/4GB 8-core Moto G7 (with sdcard
expansion up to 512GB) too often, but the iPads I own are usually locked to >> the original version (as much as I can keep them) of iOS because I know
that Apple has _never_ even once sufficiently tested iOS for bugs.
Do you _really_ want me to prove that statement, Martin Trautmann?
o You don't seem to know what I know about iOS security holes.
Here's just _one_ thread on how Apple has _never_ tested iOS sufficiently: >> o Google proved Apple accidentally forgot to test for even basic security/privacy in iOS 10 to 12 for over two years
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/gM5ioMg9m8w/m/7U2rz7emAwAJ>
Do you have any idea how many _more_ threads I can show you that prove iOS >> has never even once ever been tested sufficiently for bugs, Martin?
No, I'm not at all interested about your rants because I just don't
trust you.
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 12:06:11 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
For someone who "owns all those platforms" you know extremely little
about them. Translation: You are lying. As usually
FACTS:
o Why do the apologists turn into instant children in the face of mere facts <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/TZbkkqS3jv4>
Funny thing, nobody has ever found my facts to _ever_ be materially wrong.
o You have no _adult_ defense to facts, Peter, save to call all facts lies.
*The policy is in your face for God's sake in the SETTINGS on theNo, Arlen, it is NOT.
phone.*
o Even Apple doesn't refute that obvious fact.
Hmm, didn't v9.3.x have severe problems beside the GPS issue?
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