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Notice how both Apple apologists & Apple MARKETING fabricate their key
claims and yet, both expect people to believe those fabricated claims,
without even a single fact backing up those claims!

Verbatim below simply because Apologists brazenly deny any and all facts
which have no place to fit into their purely imaginary Apple belief system:

"As for Apple¢s intentional interference claim, Gonzalez Rogers told
Casey, You can¢t just say it - you actually have to have facts that
support it, and you don't."

o Federal Judge Tosses Apple Counterclaims Against Fortnite Maker <https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-tosses-apple-counterclaims-against-fortnite-maker/>

"A federal judge late Tuesday dismissed two counterclaims by Apple against Fortnite maker Epic Games, in the popular online game maker's antitrust
lawsuit challenging Apple's practice of taking a 30% cut on all in-app purchases."

"U.S. District Court Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers also ruled Apple
has no basis for its demand of punitive damages."

"The judge also said Apple failed to show ownership or right to possession
as required for a conversion claim."
--
Notice how apologists & Apple both make claims and expect people to believe those claims, without even a single fact backing up those claims!
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On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 08:11:39 +0100, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

You urgently need professional help from a psychiatrist.

Thank you, yet again, for proving me correct about Apple apologists.
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM>

Apologists like Joerg often attack the _person_ who bears facts because
facts are literally a _danger_ to their imaginary belief systems about
Apple products.
o Facts instantly _destroy_ imaginary belief systems built by MARKETING

Jeorg, like all Apple apologists, has no adult defense to facts.
o That's why Joerg attacks me, the person, simply because I bear facts

o Whether they are Type I, Type II, or Type III Apple apologists
Apple apologists have no _adult_ response to facts

Joerg just proved it - which is why apologists hate me
o They can't stand that I speak facts about Apple products

NOTE: I speak facts about all products; it's only that Apple newsgroups are filled to the brim with these Type I, Type II, and Type III apologists.
o Type I apologists (e.g., nospam) defend Apple MARKETING to the core
o Type II apologists (e.g., sms) believe MARKETING sans fact checking
o Type III apologists (e.g., Joerg) self identify as Apple cultists

Joerg Lorenz is an Apple apologist of the Type III category
o Joerg is a cultist whose very self worth is tied to Apple MARKETING

These Type III apologists (e.g., Jolly Roger, Lewis, BK, Chris et al.) viciously attack the _bearer_ of facts because facts are a danger to them.

The adults on this newsgroup will note that my facts are _never_ wrong
o That's not because I'm smart (I'm just average in intelligence)

It's because I do not bullshit (like Type I apologists, e.g., nospam)
o And because I _check_ my facts (unlike Type II apologists, e.g., sms)

In two decades of posting scores of posts a day to Usenet nobody has ever
even once found my facts to be materially wrong.

What Apologists like Joerg can't stand are my assessments of those facts

But what these apologists don't realize is that _everyone_ who is logical
and reasonable assesses those facts the _same_ way that I do.

What these apologists really can't stand is they have no defense to facts.
--
This week in the news...
"[Judge] Gonzalez Rogers told [Apple], You can't just say it - you
actually have to have facts that support it, and you don't."

o Federal Judge Tosses Apple Counterclaims Against Fortnite Maker <https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-tosses-apple-counterclaims-against-fortnite-maker/>
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On 13 Nov 2020 17:05:00 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

He's really good at losing. It's all he does. Look at the timestamps of
his posts. He spends his every waking moment trolling Apple news groups.
He's just fucking pathetic.

Adults will notice how much hateful vitriol Type III apologists have.
o They literally personally hate anybody who bears facts they don't like

Notice the type I apologists (e.g., nospam) aren't hateful that way.
o Neither are the Type II apologists (e.g., Savageduck) hateful that way.

Type I apologists simply parrot (always!) exactly whatever MARKETING says
o Type II aren't malicious like the rest - they just don't check facts
(e.g., Steve Scharf still thinks Qualcomm royalties went down.)

The Type III apologists (Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Chris, Joerg, et
al.) are different than Type I or Type II in that they all despise any
person who bears facts they don't like.

Notice _every_ post by Jolly Roger to facts is to spew hateful vitriol
against the mere messenger of those facts which he simply doesn't like.

He can't dispute the facts (he tried by saying there were no cites)
o When provided with the cites, he then spewed hateful personal vitriol.

Why do these apologists spew hateful vitriol against the messenger of fact?
o I don't know why.

I suspect facts are a mortal _danger_ to their entire feeling of self worth
o I suspect that's because they identify with the Apple MARKETING messaging

I suspect these Type III Apple apologists hate the messenger of facts even
more than the facts themselves, since they can banish the facts from their minds, but the messenger of facts is still there to bring new facts to the fore.

Hence, apologists literally personally hate the messenger of mere facts.
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On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 16:44:13 +0100, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

Am 13.11.20 um 01:19 schrieb Alan Baker:

On 2020-11-12 4:17 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:

o Apple has confirmed it's automatically scanning images backed up to
iCloud
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/VkODI4K1SC8>

A lie.

Plain and simple.

Stop feeding this sick Troll.

What's amazing is how the Type III apologists react to mere facts:
o On the adult OS newsgroups, people simply accept facts
(e.g., facts about Google or Microsoft)

It's only the Apple newsgroups where apologists can't accept facts.
1. Jolly Roger claims there are no facts (i.e., no cites for them)
2. Alan Baker claims all facts (in the cites) are all "lies"
3. Joerg Lorenz tells JR & AB to stop responding to any facts

Why are Apple apologists so deathly afraid of mere facts?
o I don't know why.

I suspect facts aren't what their belief systems are comprised of.
o Hence, facts instantly _destroy_ their imaginary belief systems.

Why do the Apple apologists react with personal vitriol to facts?
o I don't know why.

I suspect they _hate_ finding out what Apple is
o Much like a 5th-grade bully hates that Santa Claus is imaginary

In this case, the apologists _hate_ that Apple reads their data.
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On 2020-11-13 1:39 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:

On 13 Nov 2020 17:05:00 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

He's really good at losing. It's all he does. Look at the timestamps of
his posts. He spends his every waking moment trolling Apple news groups.
He's just fucking pathetic.

Adults will notice how...

...you've snipped all the factual information carefully laying out in
detail how you got the facts wrong?

Yes, they will.

:-)
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On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 06:57:24 -0500, Scott Schuckert wrote:

Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> wrote:

the Type III apologists

Which kind are the best? I want to be the best kind.

Daniele

Me too! Is there a survey I should fill out?

There are only three types of childish Apple Apologists:
o Type I === Actually know the facts; yet always incessantly parrot MARKETING bullshit (e.g., nospam)
o Type II === Believe MARKETING bullshit; but never seem to check their facts (e.g., SavageDuck)
o Type III === Dunning-Kruger Quadrant 1 cultists who self-identify with Apple MARKETING bullshit (e.g., Lewis)

Pick one.
--
Please see:
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
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On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 10:06:38 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2020-11-14 10:03, Graham J wrote:

I had to look up Dunning-Kruger and found a wonderful quote: "suggests
that poor performers are not in a position to recognize the shortcomings
in their performance".

Describes Trump and Johnson to a tee, I think!

Ironically describes the person you're replying to as well.

We covered why the Type III apologists are Dunning Kruger Quadrant 1 here:
o Apologists are far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MwtyT7BdxF4>

Most of you don't seem to realize that _everyone_ is on the DK scale.
o It's simply a position on the scale of self appraisal of skills

There are four quadrants, where interestingly, those in the first quadrant
know the least (as shown by actual scores), and yet they have the most confidence that they know the most (e.g., Type III apologists).

Those in the fourth quadrant are the experts (as shown by test scores),
where, just as interestingly, they tend to assess themselves as having
lower skillsets than they actually have, and, more importantly sometimes,
they tend to vastly under assess the skillet that it takes for others to
'catch up' to them (think air force airline pilots, for example).

Lumping the two quadrants in the middle, those people tend to be more realistic, with those in the second quadrant beginning to despair as they
learn the skills, and those in the third quadrant beginning to get the hang
of it.

Unfortunately, since the Apple Apologists don't ever bother to check their facts, they'll _never_ make it to even the second quadrant.

Their own attitude toward ignoring facts and trusting their own intuition
more so than they trust facts to the contrary is what makes them DK Quad 1.

Please see details, examples, and further proof of Type III Quad 1 DK in:
o Apologists are far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale

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On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 12:23:18 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

I'll ask the Type V administration committee for permission to tell you
if there is or isn't a type IV.

Hi Alan,
We covered the three types of apologists in detail in this canonical thread:
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM>

Decades ago, I became interested in studying you apologists when I
noticed the peculiar differences between you apologists and normal adults.

Your purely MARKETING-driven belief systems are easily shown to be imaginary.
o Your entire belief system is based on exactly _zero_ actual facts!

That's why every one of you apologists fails a three-word bullshit test:
o Name just one

None of you can ever back up your (imaginary) belief system with even a
single fact (your _entire_ belief system is based purely on MARKETING
bullshit, in fact).

What's far more interesting though, than your imaginary belief system...
o Is how much you _hate_ what Apple is (which isn't what Apple says it is!)

Notice the common thread that all you apologists _hate_ what Apple is...
o You are all _desperate_ to fabricate apologies for what Apple does.

The only difference in your _hatred_ for what Apple is, is how you respond:
o Type I (nospam) simply bullshit in order to apologize for what Apple does
o Type II (sms) are simply ignorant, believing a priori, in what Apple does
o Type III (Lewis) are cultists whose self worth is intertwined by what Apple does

In summary, I know you apologists well...
o Perhaps better than you know yourselves, in fact.

Your utter hatred for what Apple is, ironically, is the emotion that drives
you to be the incessant apologist for what Apple does that you prove to be.
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 21:41:42 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

It seems I'm not the only one.

Hi badgolferman,

Given the apologists have no credibility whatsoever, between just you and
me, I suspect they actually have plenty of these problems, but they simply claim that they don't.

It's not much different than when nospam claimed Apple "wasn't worried"
about 5G before Apple spectacularly surrendered to Qualcomm's demands, nor,
is it much different than when Jolly Roger claimed Apple told us all about
the slowing of the iPhones in the release notes (which, heh heh, Apple got caught having updated well after the fact and for which Apple just settled
with 34 US states in a separate 113M lawsuit, which, again, Apple lost).

Notice that in the cases above (and very many more, as you well know),
the issue had to go to court before Apple was forced to tell the truth.

Personally, I suspect it's the same here, where the credibility of all
three types of apologists is so worthless that you'd have to take them to court, so to speak, just to finally wrangle the God's honest truth out of
them.
--
Apple apologists' credibility is no better than that of a coin toss result.
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On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 23:43:10 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

Try watching a few videos of how fast software loads on the new M1 Macs...

Regarding this recent tirade by the Type III apologist Alan Baker
o How is ArsTechnica being taken in so easily "Apple Marketing"?, by Alan Baker <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/Oqg48BpNCXA>

To Paul, (below is a well-thought out explanation for all adults)

I've astutely studied these Apple cultists on Usenet for many years
o Alan Baker, like all Type III apologists, effuses without understanding.

This moron of about a 40 or 50 IQ (my estimate) Alan Baker is the classic
Type III Apple Apologist, and hence, is like a flat earth cultist, or a Jim Jones' religious cultist, who has been wholly "fed" by Apple MARKETING.

These Type III apologists will _only_ spew what Apple MARKETING fed them!
o Much like a child fed Santa Claus, they have no comprehension of facts.

If you tell them "Santa Claus is make believe", they will _prove_ he exists
o By feeding you _more_ (and more) of the MARKETING that proves he exists!.

Notice all his responses to Paul's facts are of this infantile sort
o "*bu...bbuu.....bbbut ..but Apple glossy brochures are sooo pretty!*".

We normal people don't self identify with, oh, say Microsoft; we simply use Windows because it's the best for our needs; likewise, nobody effuses over Google in the Android newsgroups - it's _only_ in Apple newsgroups you get these JimJones' cultist types who _only_ believe what MARKETING feeds them.

These Type III apologists are like infantile fifth-grade bullies who, when
told that Santa Claus doesn't exist, repeat "liar liar, pants on fire".

The rest of us, when confronted with the facts, at around fifth grade or
so, simply take it in stride that Santa Claus doesn't exist (although I
wish he did as I have plenty of grandkids he can feed his presents to!).

These Type III apologists (Lewis, Jolly Roger, et al.) literally associate their self identity with Apple MARKETING hype - their entire feelings of
self worth are identical to what Apple hypes.

This is why this particular Type III apologist is literally just copying
entire Apple-provided shills (which Paul explained quite intelligently so).

These Type III apologists can't separate fact from MARKETING hype.
o Just as flat earthers and religious zealots can't ever see facts.

Nothing from Alan Baker will _ever_ be anything other than him telling us
that he is blown over by how "pretty" those Apple MARKETING shills are.

FACT:
1. Apple has to "spin" their decision to go TSMC Silicon & ARM technology
(and Apple is damn good at spin, only ever telling the truth in court).
2. While Apple has the lowest R&D spend in all of high tech, Apple has one
of the finest (if not the finest) MARKETING orgs on this planet!
So Apple knows _exactly_ how to wow Type III apologists - which are,
let's face it, the cultists who most love everything Apple says.
3. The Type III cultists (e.g., Alan Baker, and elsewhere, Jolly Roger)
are literally effusing by _repeating_ (without understanding)
everything they self-identify with on glossy Apple MARKETING promos!

Anyway, that's for _adults_ to comprehend as to _why_ these utter morons
are simply posting anything and everything they can possibly find that
Apple MARKETING fed to publication outfits as their worthless shills.

To clarify, these Type III apologists are not like normal adults, where,
for example, we Windows & Android users don't ever fall for the Jim Jones' punch when it comes to Microsoft or Google shills. For some reason, known
very well to Apple MARKETING, these Apple cultists self identify with Apple MARKETING glossy brochures and videos.

The difference between Type III apologists and the other types is huge:
o Type I (e.g., nospam);
o Type II (e.g., Steve Scharf, aka sms);
o Type III (e.g., Alan Baker, Jolly Roger, Lewis, Joerg Lorenz, et al.).

They're almost always fact free, but for different reasons...
o Type I know most of the facts but they always defend & parrot MARKETING;
o Type II are people who aren't scientific; hence they never check facts;
o Type III literally gain _all_ their self worth from Apple MARKETING.

They're all almost always wrong on facts, but for different reasons...
o Type I are wrong because they will defend Apple decisions at all cost;
o Type II are wrong because they believe MARKETING sans fact checking;
o Type III literally believe every single thing MARKETING has fed them.

On their belief systems, you have to handle each differently:
o Type I, when proved wrong, will retort as a child would when caught;
o Type II will go silent when proved wrong & will not contest the facts;
o Type III will be utterly immune to facts; they simply repeat the shills!

Bearing in mind you're dealing with Alan Baker, the canonical Type III apologists, you're only going to get from him his utter awe at the glossy MARKETING shills, absolutely zero understanding of the facts, no
comprehension whatsoever of the drawbacks (which MARKETING never feeds
them, of course), and no actual _comprehension_ of anything whatsoever.

He'll simply throw back at any fact _more_ Apple MARKETING shills.
o Just watch.
--
Someone has to tell the TRUTH on the child-like Apple newsgroups
(which is why they hate me - because they have no defense to facts).
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On 2020-11-23 9:23 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 23:43:10 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

Try watching a few videos of how fast software loads on the new M1 Macs...

Regarding this recent [post]...

...you can't refute a single word of it?

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Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-11-23 9:23 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 23:43:10 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

Alan is a reliable source of food. Alan provides small portions. But one
can always keep coming back to Alan for more, until one is sated.

Alan is starting its journey as an ECP troll. Alan recognizes in me a fellow troll. Alan will not let a fellow troll starve. Thank you so much Alan.



Food, glorious food
Flesh picked from the hooked ones
Gulped, swallowed or chewed
Soon, we'll eat the cooked ones!
Just thinking of fish who bite
Puts us in a mood for
Food, glorious food, wonderful food!
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On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 19:07:52 +0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded wrote:

To my eye, Apple is about stylish computing. It's a niche that they took
a long time to find, but have since nailed down.

Hi Eli the Bearded,

I hope you're worth the effort I just expended to respond to your valid concerns expressed in your post about the topic at hand of the latest
TSMC Silicon ARM technology designs loudly touted by Apple MARKETING.

You're correct iPhones are MARKETED for "style" & not functionality, which explains why they have never sufficiently tested iOS releases for bugs
(which I provided previous proof of from independent reliable testers).

Pretty much Apple let's hackers & Project Zero do the zero-day bug testing.
o (Don't even get me started on the reams of proof on that statement.)

What irks me isn't that the "stylish morons" _believe_ Apple MARKETING
o It's that none of them (e.g., Alan Baker) own the semblance of a brain

They're all like little kids wowed by the fact Santa Claus can fly
o When all that flying is simply a figment of the MARKETING imagination

1. Apple makes what is really a minor technical change (in that designing
with ARM and fab'ing with TSMC Silicon is no big deal whatsoever
technically)...

I would disagree at least partially. Apple running on Intel allowed
binary cross-overs that previously had not been truely possible. Fat
binaries and binary translation are slightly different kettles of fish.

It remains to be seen how well "binary crossovers" will work.
o Bear in mind Apple has never been one to be obsessed with being "open"

In fact, take Android, for example, where when you download a free app, you
can use that app on almost any Android device on the planet. Same with
Linux. Same with Windows.

But not with iOS.
o Even for free apps, you can't even use it on another iOS device.

Apple limits everything.
o Don't even get me started on how Apple limits everything people do.

This is creating work for other companies to continue supporting Apple,
look at the work Docker needs to do.

It's not only Docker - for example, it kills this dual-boot freeware:
o Boot Camp freeware to dual boot Windows & MacOS is dead on all new
ARM-core Macs
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.system/c/qgnkyly9Aj4>

Apple moved to ARM technology Mac on TSMC Silicon for good business reasons
o But that's _not_ what the MARKETING bullshit is about

What these Apple morons are bowled over on is the MARKETING bullshit
o The fact remains Apple has never designed a best-in-class CPU

Note: You can't be best in class if you have to be throttled to half speed
in about a year; and you can't be best in class if you have unpatchable
holes that basically let the hackers' Mack trucks in a wide-open door.

In general I believe it is good to have a diversity of hardware and
a diversity of software, as it is good to have a diversity of crops
grown. It creates friction for things that could otherwise break
everything.

I'm all for diversity also, as I use Linux when it suits me, and Windows,
and Android, and even the Mac (as I substitute teach at local schools).

In fact, I own _plenty_ of iOS devices, which, interestingly, is one reason these apologists _hate_ me... because I test out their bullshit claims:
o Why do the Apple Apologists constantly send poor unsuspecting iOS users
on wild goose chases? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ynh0PE9lK_I>

Note that the apologists constantly claim imaginary functionality, as if
Santa Claus really can fly, based on their take of MARKETING bullshit:
o Why do Apple Apologists constantly brazenly fabricate what turns out to
be wholly imaginary Apple functionality? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/SZfblCIRc9s>

What I find most obvious about these apologists is their lack of facts:
o Type I (e.g., nospam) is the only one who _knows_ the actual facts
(but his credibility is worse than that of a coin toss on facts)
Simply because he will _always_ defend/parrot Apple MARKETING.

o Type II (e.g., Alan Browne) are otherwise normal people;
but not scientific, so they simply _believe_ MARKETING without
ever even once stopping to think about doublechecking their facts.

o Type III (e.g., Alan Baker) are quite unlike normal people;
they are Dunning-Kruger quadrant 1 & far to the left of even that.
That alone explains them, but in terms of MARKETING bullshit, they
not only believe every single thing Apple feeds them to believe,
but, like cultists and other fundamentalists, they literally
self identify with the image Apple MARKETING portrays.

You've mostly been dealing with the Type I apologists in this thread,
where they're easy to deal with because they don't believe a single
word they, themselves, claim (think of them as extensions to the
Apple MARKETING organization - and you can almost 100% predict them).

The Type II also aren't so bad to deal with since they're actually
relatively normal people but on the side of not being able to handle
details in facts (much like a lot of people are who simply believe
in 'techron' and "octane" as being 'good for your car' MARKETING crap.

The Type II apologists like Alan Browne, Steve Scharf, SavageDuck, et al.,
are simply relatively ignorant people - like most people on this planet.

It's the Type III apologists whom you need to watch out for (IMHO).
While I've plonked Alan Baker (because he stalked me all over the Internet) just as I've put Snit in the killfile (these creeps are not mentally
balanced), there are only a handful of people in my killfile over the
decades of posting daily, scores of posts to Usenet.

This Alan Baker guy literally believes in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and whatever else MARKETING has fed him to believe.

Worse, he's too stupid to even realize how stupid he is, but far worse than that, he's incredibly confident that he's always right when, in fact, he's
an utter moron whose IQ I estimate to be no greater than 40 or 50 (or so).
o Solid incontrovertible proof of how stupid these apologists really are

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/EiNl6hyMBDo>

There is absolutely no way to ever discuss anything with him as an adult:
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM>

Raw benchmark numbers that I've seen show Iphones handily beating the
best Androids in javascript speeds.

What good is a CPU that _must_ be throttled to half speed in about a year?
o Bear in mind, I'm the guy who broke this news to the Apple newsgroups

I've kept up on this throttling, which is done to almost every iPhone
o It's like a house made of paper; it falls apart the instant it gets wet

The instant the battery ages (about a year), the user is FORCED to make
the most unwanted choice anyone who owns a mobile device would want:
o Either choose completely unacceptable stability, or,
o Choose completely unacceptable performance (about half speed!).
YOU MUST CHOOSE ONE AND YOU MUST CHOOSE NOW!

Or... get this... you can pay Apple every single year you own an iPhone
o To prematurely replace the Lithium battery (now how "green" is that!)

2015 thread with updates in 2017 and 2020 on successive links:

https://meta.discourse.org/t/the-state-of-javascript-on-android-in-2015-is-poor/33889
https://meta.discourse.org/t/the-state-of-javascript-on-android-in-2015-is-poor/33889/246
https://meta.discourse.org/t/the-state-of-javascript-on-android-in-2015-is-poor/33889/270

That suggests Apple has some idea what they are doing with ARM, as all
of those phones are ARM vs ARM.

Again, my point is what good is a CPU that has two things in it:
a. It _must_ be throttled (to about half speed) in about a year, and,
b. It has unpatchable security holes that hackers drive Mack trucks through

o Which Apple CPUs, bootroms, & SEP secure enclave coprocessors do NOT
already have well-known unpatchable fatal design flaws? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/6WKS9KpSyJA>

Note: The Type III apologists like Alan Baker are fond of incessantly
claiming those are just Usenet threads, but that's further proof they don't even _read_ (nor understand) them because every one points to one or more (usually quite a few) external links to well-regarded references in the security community).

Every time they claim it's just a Usenet thread, they _prove_ that they're morons, because every thread contains many links to reputable external
sites; all they prove when they make those claims is that they didn't even bother to _read_ the links (they simply deny them outright sans reading).
o What is wrong with the Apple Apologists that they deny even what Apple admitted?
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/fyL1cQUVCp0>

There are facts that need to be realized, one of which is that Apple is
almost all MARKETING and the lowest R&D spend in the entire tech industry.

I have no idea how accurate that is. Got cites? Cites that are not
Google Groups links?

Click on the link.
o The link contains the cites.

Note that my facts have never been wrong in decades on the Internet, so
bear in mind that my credibility is stellar (which is saying a lot on
Usenet).

Don't take me for a fool when you claim a link isn't a link.
o It simply indicates you didn't even bother to click the link I gave you.

Bear in mind these apologists would _love_ to find even a _single_ material fact of mine being wrong - but they can't (they quibble about typos a lot though).

There are good reasons why my facts are never materially wrong, not the
least of which is I went to the finest schools in this country and worked
in Silicon Valley startups for decades, where at these graduate schools and startups you don't survive and prosper by being wrong.

Other good reasons I'm not wrong on facts is that I don't trust my
intuition one bit, like Richard Feynman would say - if you trust your intuition, you're wrong.

I check my facts.

Note: A lot of these apologists can't discern between a fact and an
assessment which is based on those facts - those are different things.

An example of a fact might be:
o Apple makes a red iPhone
An example of an assessment of that fact might be:
o A red phone isn't worth any more than a black phone to me.

I repeat these apologists would _love_ to find a material fact from me
being wrong - but they can't - so what they harp on are the assessments.

Stick to the facts.
o Every thread I point you to contains the facts.

If you can't even click on the links I already gave you...
o What proof is there that you'll click on them when I give you even more

The more people expect devices to be "secure" while also doing
everything, the more people will be disappointed. Intel's processors
have had their own huge numbers of faults. I don't have any current
knowledge of widespread architecture designs beyond ARM and x86
compatible, but I would expect any such alternatives are also flawed.

This is a reasonable assessment in my opinion, as the only place that an
Apple common consumer device is any more secure than any other similar
common consumer device is in the Apple MARKETING bullshit that is painted
on the walls of buildings in Vegas...
o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities
between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MiZixhidmOs>

The problem is that a _lot_ of people believe that Apple MARKETING BS.
o What is the most brilliant marketing move Apple ever made? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/wW-fu0jsvAU>

There are zero-days in Google's stuff, too. Software bugs are orthogonal
to processor choice. Most zero-days in software don't rely on the chip
being used to provide the wedge to break things. The chip in question
will determine what binary you need to stuff in the buffer overflow
though. A very specific case that goes back to my "diversity is good" concerns.

You think I don't know that?

You don't know me but I post a TON of bugs on Google/Android all the time:
o <http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android>

I post a ton of bugs on Windows stuff all the time also:
o <http://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com>

Same with Linux (less nowadays than in the past though):
o <http://tinyurl.com/alt.os.linux>

*I tell the TRUTH about _every_ operating system, including Apple's:
o <http://tinyurl.com/misc-phone-mobile-iphone>
o <http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-ipad>
o <http://tinurl.com/comp-sys-mac-system>
etc.

In summary, you are welcome to check the facts that I state, but don't ask
me twice to provide you with the links I _already_ provided you.

That's what the apologists do because, interestingly, I believe that _hate_
the facts, so, like flat earthers, they can only maintain their purely imaginary belief system by denying that the facts exist.

Don't do that please.
o Check the facts.

Bear in mind I have higher degrees (much like many others) and I'm highly "sensing" so I'm well acquainted with the fact that people don't like facts that contradict their intuition (think Myers Briggs with respect to people
who trust their intuition more so than they trust facts to the contrary).

I don't trust my intuition at all; I only trust facts.
o That's why I don't trust anything from MARKETING unless I can find it in
a wholly independent source (e.g., Apple battery life claims).

o Every Apple iPhone model tested vastly overstated battery life claims <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/Q-x-uIzovg4>

In summary...

Intelligent adults don't disagree on facts (facts are funny that way).
o Where they disagree is on assessments (people are funny that way).

You're quite welcome to disagree with my assessments...
o But if you claim a fact is wrong - then you need to produce the data.
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 17:27:49 -0000 (UTC), Arlen HoldÅr wrote:


Note the headers are of the infamous "highwinds astraweb troll"

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On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 23:51:33 -0600, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

Android sucks ass. Pure rational reasonable sensible logic.
Arlen is a twit. Proven.

Hi Hemidactylus,

Regarding your numerous posts in this fact-based thread of Android vs iOS:
o iOS exclusive app [that Android doesn't have], by badgolferman <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/vTJ6PVrtyS0>

Thank you for proving me right about you apologists, every time you post.
o Not only do I feel sorry for you, but I understand you.

You Type III apologists are like a stunted fifth grader who just found out
that MARKETING hasn't been telling him the truth about Santa Claus.

You desperately want to _believe_ that Santa flies through the air...
o And that Santa delivers presents to your living room...

Just like the MARKETING people fed you to believe.

SO when someone tells you the truth ("Hint: Santa isn't real"), you react:
"Arlen is a twit. Proven"

Notice your vitriol?
o You Type III apologists are exactly like that stunted fifth grade bully.

You have no defense whatsoever to facts (such as "Santa is make believe").
o So you respond by attacking the mere bearer of those facts you hate.

Why I feel sorry for people like you Hemidactylus is that you actually hate Apple because Apple is never what Apple MARKETING said it would be.

That's why you hate me - because you actually hate Apple.
o You hate me because I am the messenger of truth about Apple products.

And you have absolutely no adult defense to facts.
o As you just proved in spades in this thread.
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Apologists actually hate that Apple is never what MARKETING said it was.
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On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 22:38:44 -0600, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

Why are you hijacking badgolferman¢s mojo aside from your thing for masturbating in public? badgolferman created a thread. We don¢t need your sorry sack of shit presence to validate badgolferman. Kindly fuck off you narcissistic POS.

Regarding this fact-filled thread about iOS vs Android functionality:
o What functionality you do on iOS you wish you could do on Android?
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/Y5Hy7T8cNtw>

In a way, I feel sorry for you Type III apologists, Hemidactylus.
o You _hate_ what Apple is as facts show it's never what MARKETING said

So what you do, Hemidactylus, is attack the mere _messenger_ of those facts
o Like a stunted fifth grader who is told the truth about Santa Claus

You Type III apologists actually _believe_ everything MARKETING feeds you
o So you react with classic hateful vitriol to the mere bearer of facts

You have no actual factual response...
o Because you _know_ the facts are incontrovertible.

That's why I feel sorry, in a way, for you Type III apologists...
o You have absolutely no adult response to facts you _hate_ about Apple
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The only way Type III apologists react to facts, is with hateful vitriol.
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UPDATE:

Regarding this adult conversation today on the child-like Apple
newsgroups... there is a bunch of thoughtful comments describing the traits
of the apologists, which should be preserved for the permanent record, as there's a "Dunning Kruger" connection with apologists that, some day, researchers should (IMHO) explore, since they're almost wholly and purely driven by (admittedly stellar) MARKETING bullshit.
o iOS exclusive app, by badgolferman <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/vTJ6PVrtyS0>

Verbatim below...
. From: Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com>
. Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android
. Subject: Re: iOS exclusive app
. Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 02:37:37 -0000 (UTC)
. Message-ID: <rpsd5g$4ts$1@news.mixmin.net>

On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 01:50:46 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

I wouldn't want to get in any sort of argument with you about semantics because it would surely be a losing proposition.

Hi badgolferman,

The conversation below is deeper than most people can go... so be warned.

That's an interesting assessment, where you appear to be a "normal" person, which, you have to admit, is common on the adult newsgroups, but a rarity
on the Apple newsgroups for some reason that intrigues me to no end.

Rest assured I'm on all the adult OS newsgroups, where what happens on
Apple newsgroups is nothing like what happens on those other newsgroups.

As an example, there's no love lost for either Google nor for Microsoft on those adult newsgroups - it's only on Apple newsgroups where people like
Jolly Roger & Alan Baker effuse so gullibly over what turns out to always
be meaningless MARKETING shills.

Hence, it's refreshing to find at least a handful of adults on this
newsgroup (David Empson used to be one, Michelle Steiner another) who
appear to be normal (e.g., you, Ant, JF Mezei, et al.).

Suffice it to say I
thought I had made it clear I use NewsTap Lite but perhaps it was only
in my mind. The headers of my message also don't make that clear unfortunately.

Headers are meaningless (look at mine, for example, where the only
meaningful header is the Subject line and where, even though Frank Slootweg claims otherwise), I can easily change any header that's not injected by
the NNTP server itself.

The rest of the headers can easily be spoofed, which the smarter apologists know (such as nospam for example, but, incredibly, most apologists are clueless, as witnessed by this shockingly true episode with one of them):
o Apologists like Alan Baker actually believe everything in an NNTP header <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/EiNl6hyMBDo>

Please bear in mind the apologists screwed me royally years ago, sending me
on multiple wild-goose chases, where it intrigued me that people like that existed, as I had never encountered people that incredibly stupid before in
my life of education and startups (where they couldn't last a week).

What interests me about them is how _different_ & yet consistent they are.
o Type I (nospam) basically are an extension of Apple MARKETING on facts.
o Type II (Alan Browne) are normal, but incredibly unscientific on facts.
o Type III (Lewis) are stunted cultist who spew hateful vitriol to facts.

Basically, I feel by now, after having studied them for quite a long time,
that I can predict almost everything they will say, since they don't have
all that much of a repertoire.

For example, did you notice that Alan Browne, while clearly being immune to facts (he says so himself he filters them out), at least provided you
"some" input (however factually incorrect).

Yet, did you notice Hemidactylus provided _only_ hateful vitriol?
o It's _important_ that you realize the huge distinction.

Meanwhile, _only_ nospam knows the answer to your question of all the apologists. This would be refreshing if he would ever tell the truth (and
he did a decent job, by the way, when he explained Apple Pay which you need
to listen to him on, as what he said was reasonably accurate for once.

As I said, these apologists interest me, much like the lemon-juice bank
robber interested Dunning and Kruger, where it's only nospam who _knows_
what's going on, in fact - but he - like MARKETING - will only spew that
which MARKETING will say - so he's still a coin toss on credibility.

The rest are shockingly wrong on their facts, where it boggles my mind
people can be as dumb as Jolly Roger, Joerg Lorenz, Lewis, BK, Chris, Alan Baker, Tim Streater, et al., and still be functional in today's world.

Those Type II apologists like Steve Scharf (sms), Alan Browne, Savageduck,
et al., are simply people who are, I suspect, all only guilty of being
utterly incapable of handling the rigors of scientific and engineering curriculum, as it's shocking how little any of them doublecheck facts.

As just one example, sms _still_ believes that Qualcomm royalties went
down, which, while I admit the legal agreements were a bit complex, I would expect people of normal intelligence to be able to figure out.

Sadly, there are very few people of normal intelligence on this newsgroup.
o Surprisingly, nospam is one of them.

He's not smart by any means (he's devious, but not smart, as witnessed by
the fact he can only resort to childish games when pushed against the wall
on his claims of fact).

Me?
o I've worked & studied with truly intelligent people (for decades).

So I can only say I likely only have what I'd consider normal intelligence (shockingly, that's far & above most people on this child-like newsgroup).

Yes, I had a free license at one time also but switched Apple IDs and couldn't move it over so that's why I use the free version now. The limitation of only two newsgroups does not affect me negatively.

I have a similar story; Michelle Steiner gave me a free license to test NewsTap, and even then I found it lacking, but I don't remember the
details.

Then I gave that iPad away, although it came back to me recently, but it's
dead because Apple is screwing around with the user id for some reasons unbeknownst to me (and it doesn't matter all that much, as I have so many
iPads that I don't use any of them anymore, except to prove the apologists wrong when they make their utterly fact-free baseless claims of imaginary functionality).

In summary though, both iOS and Android have free newsreader functionality;
but in my humblest of assessments, both leave a lot to be desired.

Not that the Android newsreaders are any more or less functional,
mind you, as nobody on the Android newsgroup is claiming they're
fantastic either.

The Android newsreaders are pure trash. Only one is barely usable.

I'm not going to disagree with you as I would assess that the free Android Usenet clients I've tested suck.

However, you must admit that the NewsTap free client is horridly limited.

Even so, typing is a huge problem on any mobile phone input medium,
although I just downloaded a free app for Android that uses the wireless keyboard to type on Android, which might be an interesting utility if it
works.

There are two distinct but intertwined topics here, which are:
a. Is there any functionality on iOS not already on (5-year old)
Android?

This was not a topic I brought up, but you connected it to a previous
one.

You are correct and I do realize and accept that assessment.

b. Is there any functionality on iOS that is better than
that on Android?

This one is closer, but the question was is there any app that keeps
you from switching?

Here's where I take a pragmatic approach to people.
o Most people appear to be incredibly stupid. Let's face it.

They _believe_ the MARKETING bullshit (e.g., "Techron").
o That MARKETING bullshit sways their opinion greatly.

What they do is "hear" the innuendo - and then - they intuit the rest.
o They seem to trust their intuition far more than they trust any facts.

Me?

I don't trust my intuition one little bit. Not in the least.
o The instant I heard "Techron", I called up Chevron to ask what it was.

Turns out not only is it just "soap for gas", and that those same Chevron polyetheramines are in all Tier-I fuels, such as Costco is (& many others).

So would "I" pay more for Chevron gasoline "with Techron" than at Costco?
o Nope.

But the question is would MOST PEOPLE pay more for Chevron than Costco?
o *I think that answer might very well be yes*.

And _that_ is a VERY VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT STATEMENT INDEED!
o You have to ask yourself why that would be the case.

And then you know why many people "think" Apple has "better functionality",
or "better quality", or "better privacy" or "better security" than it
actually has.

This is a deeper analysis than it might at first appear to be.
o It's essentially proof that MARKETING bullshit works on stupid people

And, that there are a _lot_ of stupid people out there.
o Which is, IMHO, why Apple profits are so ungodly immense.

Given Apple's R&D is ridiculously low & yet their MARKETING is stellar.

NOTE: EVERY marketing term I tend to call the company & look up, e.g.:
o Costco Chevron Delo 400SDE CK-4/SN SAE 15W40 Diesel Engine Oil in a
Gasoline Engine
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.tech/c/TnF2EPyxcoA>

The first one is easier to answer; the second is subject to immense >>interpretation, so it has as many different answers as there are
people answering it (since assessments will naturally vary among
adults).

In my humblest of opinions, both iOS and Android have freeware
"newsreader functionality", where, in my humble personal assessment,
both suck.

Compared to a real desktop newsreader they both suck, but compared to
each other Android newsreaders suck far more than NewsTap or the Lite version.

Well, I don't know if you know, but I gave up on "newsreaders" even on the desktop, where I use telnet to post (which is one reason why I have full
and total control of all headers not injected by the NNTP server).

So what I edit in is simply "vi" (on Linux) or "vim" (on Windows).

It's actually one reason why I don't plonk people like Snit or Alan Baker
more often - because I have to manually add them to a dictionary file,
which is a pita since my script directory has become a mess over the years.

Nonetheless, I "could" make the claim that there's no universally accepted great newsreader client on the desktop, although that's for this ng to say:
o <http://tinyurl.com/news-software-readers>

In summary, it's refreshing to be able to discuss things on an Apple
newsgroup with a person who isn't an apologist, as the apologists are who
ruin the Apple newsgroups (IMHO) and not the normal people who simply tell
the truth (whether MARKETING would like that truth, or not).
--
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On 2020-11-27 6:51 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:

UPDATE:

Regarding this adult conversation...

I'm sorry, but the record indicates you are not actually capable of
adult conversation.

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On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 00:32:54 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

I asked a question to get clarification on kernel access to the disk via
secure enclave when phone is asleep. Please explain why this is FUD.

Please restore the context you snipped where you made up shit starting
with "it's my understanding..."

Adults on this newsgroup will note, what appears to be obvious (to me).
o An iOS zero-click radio proximity exploit odyssey, by Ant [sic] <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/gJYr-XnRsr8>

1. Ant opened a thread informing people of the problem set
(which I, as usually, had previously informed folks, in gory detail)
o Yet again (it never ends) hackers exploit iOS insecurities with
zero-day remote access to the entire device over Wi-Fi, with no user interaction required at all
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/7Mc1sX9XISA>

HINT: Unlike morons like Alan Baker, I do three things apologists can't:
(1) I _click_ on the links
(2) I read and more importantly, I _comprehend_ what they say
(3) Only then do I make my assessments

In contrast, apologists clearly deny _all_ facts about Apple they hate
o We've proved they can't even _find_ links in that which they refute!

2. Jolly Roger, Lewis, Joerg Lorenz, and I'm sure the moron Alan Baker
chimed in, as always, with brazen denials that a problem even exists.

All of them without ever even _clicking_ on the reports (let alone,
none of them _comprehended_ in the least what the Google blog said!).

They each, to a man, brazenly denied everything they _hate_ about Apple.

(All TYPE III apologists can only maintain imaginary belief systems by
brazenly denying all that they _hate_ about Apple, which is a lot!)

o What is wrong with the Apple Apologists that they deny even what Apple admitted?

<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/fyL1cQUVCp0/m/_X0pbr1ZBgAJ>

3. Then JF Mezei, who is not an apologist, asked a perfectly valid
question:
o Why was it so easy?

The response by these TYPE III apologists to JF Mezei's perfectly valid question was a classic childish vitriolic hate-filled ad hominem attack.

It's always the same story:
a. Apple does something the apologists hate
b. Apologists brazenly deny all facts they hate about Apple products
c. If anyone asks an adult question, apologists attack the bearer of facts

This thread alone is proof posisitve it's the apologists who ruin this ng.
o Two or three posts out of more than a score are adult

See also:
o Clear evidence that the real factual problem on Apple Usenet newsgroups -
is simply that apologists exist <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/mQsBECSbICw/m/lgI46TXtBwAJ>
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Apologists brazenly deny facts because they _hate_ what Apple actually is; (they vastly prefer Apple to be what MARKETING fed them to believe it was).
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 21:32:19 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

What a fucking idiot dumbass you are.

Regarding today's thread on mobile device app development costs...
o App development, by Chris <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/MShq86Qpn_Y>

Adults will notice that the Type III apologists revert to "instant child" whenever confronted with a point of view they simply can't comprehend.

Simply because Lewis is incapable of processing that nospam (correctly so) claimed ads can easily be blocked, Lewis, being a Type III apologist,
instantly resorts to vitriolic hate-filled fifth-grade bullying behavior as
his only defense mechanism.

Type III apologists do this whenever anyone has a point of view different
than theirs, which they can't comprehend, simply because their brain can't.

By this childish ad hominem attack behavior...
o Type III apologists can maintain their imaginary belief systems intact.

Type I (nospam)
Type II (sms, Alan Browne, Chris, Savageduck, et al.)
Type III (Jolly Roger, Lewis, Alan Baker, Joerg Lorenz, et al.)
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On Sun, 06 Dec 2020 09:30:14 -0800, Savageduck wrote:

I only see his ravings when he is quoted by anybody who insists on responding to him.

For the permanent record to faithfully record for posterity...
o (And for future academic researchers studying Apple Apologists' brains.)

I confront apologists with their worst enemy... mere simple basic facts.
o Yet, the three types of apologists handle facts differently:

Type I (nospam)
Type II (sms, Alan Browne, Chris, Savageduck, et al.)
Type III (Jolly Roger, Lewis, Alan Baker, Joerg Lorenz, Hemidactylus, et al.)

Type I don't believe a word they, themselves, say.
o Type II believe what they say, as do Type III.

The difference is that Type I will always parrot & defend Apple MARKETING.
o It doesn't matter what the topic is - they will take the MARKETING view.
o It doesn't matter that they, themselves, don't believe it.
o If it's what Apple MARKETING says, then nosapm defends it to the death.

Type II are not adamant about their claims like the other two types.
o Type II people are actually the "most normal" of all apologists.
o They're not unprepossessing despicable people like the other two types.
o Type II are simply intuitive people who don't have scientific brains.
o They _believe_ MARKETING bullshit; but they never check their facts.
o An example is that Steve _still_ thinks Qualcomm royalties went down.
o It's too deep for him to actually read & comprehend the legal maneuvers.
o But when confronted with facts, Steve _will_ clam up.
o So will Savageduck. As will Alan Browne.
o They know they're dead wrong; they don't ever want to admit it.
o But they'll stop claiming what isn't true when shown they're wrong.
o They're normal people; just a bit too intuitive (i.e., not engineers).

Type III are a shockingly strange class of cultists unto themselves.
o Type III are incredibly resistant to all facts they simply don't like.
o They will _never_ accept that their facts are just plain dead wrong.
o For example, Alan Baker couldn't believe you can fake a header.
o For post upon post, like Snit, he insisted that was a "lie by liars"
o Snit insisted for hundreds of posts Android couldn't snap screenvideo.
o Jolly Roger insisted that an eight year old could jailbreak iOS in 5 min.

Notice how vastly _different_ the three types are, but all are childish.
o Type I (nospam) reverts to instant child whenever facts don't go his way
(however, his childishness is simple stuff, like rearrange a quote and
then respond to that quote, as if it was originally quoted that way).
I guess he feels "clever" having the power to respond to something that
nobody said, just so that he can "feel" like he has control of facts.

o Type II (Savageduck) revert to "instant child" in a far different way.
He will always resort to name calling and pull his "righteous" act.
Type III apologists pretend to _not_ be apologists, in fact.
(Which is kind of funny because they're so _desperate_ in that endeavor.)

o Type III apologists (Lewis) revert to "instant child" far more hatefully.
The vitriol these apologists spew at anyone who disagrees with Apple
is astoundingly similar to that which an overly fed fifth grade bully
with stunted emotional and mental growth would react to someone merely
telling him that Santa Claus is not only imaginary, but fed to him by
MARKETING.

Type III apologists will scream at you "liar liar, pants on fire".
o They don't want to _hear_ the facts.

Worse, Type III will instantly resort to ad hominem attacks.
o They hate that you bring facts to the table.

Facts are a DANGER to these Type III apologists.
o Facts instantly DESTROY their entire fabricated belief systems.

Never forget _why_ Type III apologists hurl such vitriol to facts.
o They're literally afraid of facts.

Because they literally identify with this imaginary belief system that
has been fed to them by MARKETING, and if you destroy that fabricated
belief system, they are left with... hmmm... well... um... nothing.

Without Apple, they're nothing.

See how _dangerous_ facts are to the Type III apologists?
o They're take their entire self esteem from Apple MARKETING messaging.

Type III apologists will deny all facts - without even checking them.
They will deny facts exist, much like cultists and flat earthers.
They will always prove to be utterly immune to any facts they don't like.

While all three types of apologists are not "normal" people...
o Whom are you most petrified by?

Me?
o Type I (nospam) don't bother me because I can tell by how they couch
their bullshit that they know they're bullshitting - so they avoid me
like the plague because I'm one of the few on the Apple newsgroups who
checks their bullshit. Besides, I can _predict_ nospam years ahead of
time if you just tell me what Apple MARKETING's point of view is.

If Apple says removing functionality is "green", nospam will too.
If Apple says throttling isn't "as" necessary, nospam will too.
If Apple says they're "not worried" about 5G, nospam will too.

nospam knows he's out of his league when it comes to dealing with people
who are intelligent, and who check his facts, where, nospam can't compete
a. He blames everyone but Apple for Apple's own flaws
b. He brazenly denies all facts he simply doesn't like
c. He fabricates functionality that simple never existed
etc.

It's easy to deal with nospam because he's like an average kid caught
stealing cookies from the cookie jar, where _every_ excuse he fabricates
is already well known to us (he only has seven responses to facts).

o Type II (e.g., Alan Browne, Savageduck, Steve Scharf, et al.)
don't bother me as they simply don't have scientific/engineering brains,
it seems. They put too much trust into their intuition. Hence, they never
seem to ever be able to check their facts. If Apple tells them they got a
great deal from Qualcomm, or that Apple cameras and CPUS are great, they
actually _believe_ it. They can't seem to weigh the bullshit against the
pros and cons, which every scientist and engineer must be capable of.

It's easy to deal with them also, in that they will mostly filter out
all facts they don't like, so I don't have to deal with them.

They're all literally _afraid_ of facts, and they will tell you that.
They filter out all facts about Apple because they _hate_ those facts.

o Type II (e.g., Jolly Roger, Lewis, Hemidactylus, et al.)
These are the ones who _petrify_ me.
They're all Dunning Kruger Quadrant 1, and to the far left of that.
They don't even comprehend what _that_ statement even means.
(Probably most people here don't - that's my point about Apple owners.)

They're oh so confident at the same time they're oh so ignorant.
Shockingly ignorant; and yet, just as supremely confident.

Just look at how Jolly Roger exclaims how easy it is for an 8-year-old
to jailbreak iOS "in five minutes", for example.

Look at anything Snit says (e.g., his hilarious video where he claims iOS
graphs decibels over time even as his video clearly showed it did not!

HINT: Decibels are different than megabits for Christs' sake!
o Ridiculous Snit video <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo>

What's consistent about the Type III apologists is how they respond when
you show them that their facts are wrong, where, in the case of Snit,
he's _still_ claiming that a decibel and a megabit are the same thing.

In the case of Alan Baker, he's still claiming that you can't change
headers in a Usenet post, so if it says NewsTap, then you must be a
"liar" because _he_ can't comprehend that you can easily change it.

All Type III apologists are astoundingly afraid of people bearing facts.

Please see also:
o Clear evidence that the real factual problem on Apple Usenet newsgroups - is simply that apologists exist
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/mQsBECSbICw/m/lgI46TXtBwAJ>
--
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 21:30:53 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:

In message <061220200949408898%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <rqho2n$13qe$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

It can be expensive to be an Apple developer

Yeah, the $0 cost of Xcode can really be a stretch. And those free
developer accounts? Super expensive.

WTF drugs are you on? There is *NO* COST to be an Apple Developer. Zip. >>> > Nada. Zilch.

IF you want to put an App in Apple's stores, that cost $100 a YEAR.
A burdensome cost to some people, somewhere, I am sure, but not by any >>> > stretch of the imagination expensive.

Yes, as I said, download Swift and XCode is free, but unless you're
making the app for *only* your own device(s) or for the jailbreak
crowd, being a real iOS / iPadOS developer is not free.

First of all, you said *APPLE* Developer. Second, you are still wrong.

That US$99 per year is what I meant and purposely said it was for
putting the app on the App Store ... which is the only legitimate way
to get apps onto iOS / iPadOS devices.

You said no such thing, liar. You said "Being an Apple Developer is very expensive" which is a lie.

false. there are other options.

For a US$1 app, you have to sell at least 115 copies just to break
even, which is difficult in the over-crowded App Store even if it's not >>> a niche-use app.

with more than 1 billion ios devices, that's not difficult if the app
is even the slightest bit useful.

And irrelevant anyway, as $99 is not "very expensive" by any measure.
And that is not a charge PER APP, but a charge PER DEVELOPER.

Plus, for a real developer, there's also the cost of having a "new
enough" Mac and iOS / iPadOS devices to program and test on since Apple >>> does cancel the ability of apps made in older versions of Swift and
Xcode to be used in the App Store.

All development of computer programs requires a computer, dumbass. Xcode supports many versions of both macOS and iOS for building.

where 'new enough' is any mac in the last 5 years or so.

So, yes, being a proper developer *can* *be* expensive. :-\

No, it is not expensive and you are worming away from your bullshit lie.

it 'can' be but it is not always.

It is never expensive unless the developer is very stupid (like one
person I know who bought an iMac Pro and a LG 5K second display because
he thought he might wants to write an iOS app. He was not and is not a programmer and has no idea what he is doing and his still not produced a single app, but there's not fixing stupid.

Regarding:
o App development, by Chris <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/MShq86Qpn_Y>

Why is it always the Type III apologists calling everyone a "liar"
o Just because they, themselves, are incapable of factual comprehension?

Adults should notice this very clearly:
o *Every fact (or assessment) they can't comprehend, is, to them, a "lie".*

By calling all facts (or assessments) they don't like, "lies"...
o Type III apologists can maintain their imaginary belief systems forever.
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 22:35:39 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

Well Arlen, I think you can rest easy tonight knowing the problem isn't
in your system. After opening the newsreader again your Author name
has corrected itself. See screenshot. https://ibb.co/sbMtTfY

Maybe it's the font I use or the encoding, but messages from you that haven't been read have the extra spaces in your name, whereas messages
that have been read and the newsreader restarted show up properly. It
looks like my newsreader client has a minor bug although it only shows
up with your name. Maybe it's allergic to you or something.

In any case it doesn't bother me and the other features of the client
make up for it so it will remain the same. Just ignore the monthly statistics or know that I didn't read your messages which have the
extra spaces.

Hi badgolferman,

I think this conversation proves what I've always thought about the folks
on this newsgroup who are not apologists (e.g., you, Ant, JF Mezei, et al.)
o Before reading them: <https://ibb.co/YdWLjkH>
o After reading them: <https://ibb.co/sbMtTfY>

I love facts.
o Anytime someone wants to discuss facts, I'm all for it.

Notice how this discussion ensued, which was civil, and adult throughout:
1. You posted, out of the goodness of your heart, the periodic statistics.
2. I looked at them & I _comprehended_ them, without denying them outright
3. I suggested to you perhaps there was a bug on your side, in your scripts

Note both of us posted with purposefully helpful intent
o Out of the goodness of our hearts.

Then you took the energy to check the facts & to provide that check
o Which I took the energy to check, and agree.

Neither of us called the other a "liar"...
o Both of us have long ago established our credibility.

So you trusted that what I said I believed I saw based on my side
o And I trusted that what you said you believed you saw on your side

We simply agreed on the facts as we saw them, and pondered the "why".
o Both of us resolved to figure out why there was a contradiction

Both of us ran additional tests, where you doublechecked what you saw
o And I doublechecked what I sent (by changing what I easily could change)

Handily, you beat me to the solution, which I very much appreciate
o (As you saved me a lot of time trying to debug on my side)

In summary, _that_ is how an adult conversation proceeds on other ngs
o I'm sure we both wish dialog like that could proceed more often here

In summary, don't worry about it, as I'm not worried for me; I was simply worried that your scripts had a problem, which it turned out, they didn't.
--
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o Clear evidence that the real factual problem on Apple Usenet newsgroups - is simply that apologists exist
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/mQsBECSbICw/m/lgI46TXtBwAJ>
Type I (nospam)
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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 14:40:47 -0000 (UTC), Matt wrote:

What shocks me is the utter lack of adult comprehension on this ng.

Common sense is eluded for some when there are economic reasons.

Hi Matt,

Using my adult comprehensive skills, the topic, as I see it, is:
o Brazil === Apple apparently refuses to abide by basic warranty laws
o France === Apple isn't satisfying hands-free (out of the box) laws

Apologists are consistent in lacking adult comprehensive skills:
o Type I (nospam) always defend MARKETING decisions to the death.
o Type II (sms) don't seem to ever comprehend the details in the cites.
o Type III (Lewis) are DK Quadrant 1 - so sure in their utter ignorance.

Notice all three types of apologists prove me 100% correct in this thread!
1. nospam is desperate to deflect us from the warranty & hands-free laws.
2. Steve (again, sigh) didn't even _comprehend_ the very article he cited!
3. Lewis proved, as always, he's a cultist moron with an IQ of laughable.

Of the three, you have to understand their motives & what they believe:
a. nospam doesn't believe a word he says as his goal is to defend MARKETING
b. Steve actually believes what he said - because he doesn't check facts
c. Lewis is a lost cause - he self identifies with Apple - obtaining his
esteem from MARKETING, such that _any_ threat to Apple MARKETING's
decisions is a very threat to his own existence.

Notice you can _predict_ almost every response from these apologists:
A. nospam will deflect, blame, deny, etc., any fact inconvenient to Apple
His motive, strangely, is to defend Apple decisions to the death.

B. Steve will simply never get what any cite actually says
(Steve _still_ thinks Qualcomm royalties went down!).
His motive isn't malicious; he's just not used to dealing with facts.

C. Lewis considers Apple and himself indistinguishable, as Lewis derives
his very self esteem from Apple products and MARKETING messaging. Hence
any affront to Apple MARKETING mantra is a direct insult against his
own self esteem. This is why, I posit, these Type III apologists react
so viciously with their hateful vitriol against mere bearers of fact.

What ruins this newsgroup is that these apologists exist.
o Otherwise this would be a normal conversation on the merits of the facts.

The facts clearly are, to those with adult comprehensive skills anyway:
o Brazil === Apple apparently refuses to abide by basic warranty laws
o France === Apple isn't satisfying hands-free (out of the box) laws
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Update, for the permanent Usenet record, we've uncovered yet further
evidence for future researches of the inherent traits of the apologists:

o Clear evidence that the real factual problem on Apple Usenet newsgroups - is simply that apologists exist
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/mQsBECSbICw>

To wit...

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:27:21 -0500, nospam wrote:

A 68 IQ infant troll who is best ignored.

That high? Pretty generous.

it's easy to miss the decimal point.

I love that you always prove me 100% correct about each of the three types!
o Type I (nospam)
o Type II (Alan Browne)
o Type III (Lewis)

And you have absolutely no defense to facts...
o It's why you revert to "instant children" when confronted with facts.

What I love, is all three types of apologists prove me 100% correct:
o Type I (nospam) will always defend Apple MARKETING decisions to the death
o Type II (Alan Browne) are non-scientific people who don't check facts
o Type III (Lewis) are DK quadrant-1 (far left) cultist who identify with
Apple marketing mantra (i.e., their entire self worth === Apple messaging)

All of you are easily shown to be utterly _petrified_ by facts.
o You _hate_ facts.

You hate facts so much, you hate the mere bearer of facts.
o Because facts instantly DESTROY your entire imaginary belief systems.

You can't stand me... because you can't stand facts...
o Simply because you have absolutely no adult defense to facts.

Which is fine by me because the one thing none of you have ever done...
o Is show my facts to ever be materially wrong.

Fancy that.
o You hate what I tell you about Apple products because they're facts.

And you have absolutely no defense to facts...
o It's why you revert to "instant children" when confronted with facts.
--
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Google asked "Was it really that easy?", to which the answer was "Yes".
HINT: iOS code dates to 1985 and Google proved it has never been tested.
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UPDATE for the permanent record on how these strange apologists think
when someone says mere facts about the product they are cultists of.


On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 09:56:49 +1300, Your Name wrote:

[1 quoted line suppressed]

All you Type III Apple apologists think alike.
o You think anyone who tells the factual truth, must be anti-Apple.

It happens all the time that these Type III apologist's brains simply can't fathom that people can speak the truth about _all_ operating systems.

Why?
o I don't know why.

I suspect these TYPE III apologists _only_ read MARKETING shills
o Such that they've _never_ seen nor contemplated actual facts about Apple.

There's an entire thread on these strange people who claim you can only
speak good things about Apple, and even more so, if you say the truth about Apple, you must be "anti Apple" (even if you own plenty of Apple hardware):
o What to tell Apple Apologists who claim anyone who speaks facts is "down
on Apple" (i.e., they conflict with Apple Marketing)?
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/z7HCl4tm71E>

The truth is I speak the truth about all operating systems I use, whether that's Canonical's Ubuntu which they screwed up with Unity; or if it's
Windows 10 trying to force you to create a Microsoft Account, or if it's Android where Google grabs your sqlite contacts database without even
giving you the opportunity to stop it (if you use the Google MUA).

Yet, these Type III apologists like Your Name are completely unused to
people who speak facts about all operating systems they use every day.

And then, these Type III apologists attack you (e.g., they attack Gordon
Moore simply for saying facts about Apple that they themselves don't like).

Why?
o I don't know why.

I suspect all these Type III apologists are cultists, who are so weak
minded that they allow MARKETING to set their definition of self worth.

For example, MARKETING tells 'em the camera quality of output is the best
o And yet, iPhones can barely break into the top 10 most of the time

Those are facts which, if you point them to the cites, they'll say that the test reviewers were "bribed" (true story - from nospam himself), where any outfit that doesn't put Apple in the top must be, by definition, bribed.

Can you believe what these Apologists actually believe?
o It's why I claim it's apologists who ruin this newsgroup for everyone.

Not the people who speak facts and who have _never_ been wrong on facts!
o Note: People obsess about "assessments" which are different from facts!

Did'ja ever wonder, for example, why TYPE III apologists always attack the bearer of mere facts? I have. I believe that they have self identified with Apple's MARKETING messaging (admittedly Apple's brilliant specialty).

So whenever Apple MARKETING messaging is show to be untrue, (e.g., battery
life claims, throttling excuses, hurdles in consumer repair, privacy leaks galore, security leaps like you can't believe, they're so sophomoric,
etc.), these Type III apologists react with pure hateful vicious vitriol.

Why?
o I don't know why.

I suspect any truthful fact about Apple which conflicts with the MARKETING messages Apple fed to these Type III apologists, is considered by these
TYPE III apologists as a direct attack against them (i.e., their self
worth).

Since they take all of their self worth from MARKETING, they themselves
can't fathom anyone else who actually looks at the facts, & not the BS.
--
One bug.... and the entire untested core iOS house of cards falls down. <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/7Mc1sX9XISA>
Google asked "Was it really that easy?", to which the answer was "Yes".
Google proved iOS core code dating back to 1985 has _never_ been tested!
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On 19 Dec 2020 01:50:33 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

And all you can do is follow in lock-step with anyone who doesn't like
Apple...

because: troll

This post is only for _adults_ to understand (e.g., JF Mezei, badgolferman, Ant, et al.) as the vitriolic hate-filled apologists Alan Baker & Jolly
Roger just proved, again, they form a strongly held imaginary belief system based on zero facts!

Notice how the Type III apologists automatically assume I'm against Apple?
o They condemn me, laughably so, for simply posting the TRUTH verbatim.

These Type III apologists didn't notice that I said nothing bad about
Apple's decision, and, in fact, I lauded it, and even if I didn't
complement Apple on this decision, I posted _verbatim_ quotes throughout.

And yet, the Type III apologists (Jolly Roger, Your Name, Alan Baker, et
al.) all will simply _assume_ I'm on the side of Facebook.

Who on earth is _that_ stupid save for these Type III apologists?

...even when it is a huge privacy suck like Facebook

Apple is not preventing Facebook from collecting user data. All Apple is doing is forcing Facebook to ask *permission* first.

Despite the Type III apologists assuming I'm chastising Apple, I commended Apple for this move in the right direction of asking people if they wish to
be tracked.

How many people are gonna say "Yes" to that question?
o Facebook _knows_ the answer to that question, now don't they.

That's why Facebook is posting these print ads all over...
o And in doing so, they're implying they support "small businesses"...

Imagine the warped world view you need to attain to actually believe
that asking for permission before tracking people is fine and Apple
mandating that people give consent first is somehow "bad". "Arlen
Holder", ladies and gentlemen - perpetual chump.

This is important for the _adults_ to recognize that anyone with even a smidgeon of adult cognition would know I'm all for Apple on this privacy
stuff.

Yet, notice how _stupid_ these Type III apologists are in assuming
something I have never once said, nor even implied.

They just "guess" at their intuitive feeling for how I feel
o And they don't need even one fact to form a very strong belief system.

It's why I claim that Type III apologists' belief systems are based on
exactly zero facts.

They condemn me, laughably so, for simply posting the TRUTH verbatim.
--
This is a perfect case of the TYPE III apologists jumping to very strongly
held conclusions, based on exactly zero (0) facts to form that assessment.
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 10:23:06 -0800, sms wrote:

Prior to the iPhone 8, the power conversion circuitry was not designed
to cope with a battery that had capacity issues. This has been fixed beginning with the iPhone 8. The workaround on the iPhone 6, 6s, and 7
is a replacement battery. Technically it's not a battery issue, a
properly designed power circuit would not have this problem and could
still provide sufficient power to the CPU and other components.

The "chemical aging" explanation by Apple was not the real story.

The best explanation I've seen published on this is here <https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/12/22/apple-confirms-that-it-throttles-iphones-with-degraded-batteries/>:

This is a _perfect_ example of why Steve Scharf is a Type II apologist!

Steve is a Type II apologist, which simply means he's not malicious, per
se, nor is he stupid, per se (not anymore than most liberal arts majors
that is), nor is Steve forming his belief system only on what Marketing
feeds him, nor does Steve consider Apple the embodiment of his self worth, etc., (like the Type III apologists do).

Nope.
o Steve is a Type II apologist mainly because he can't process facts.

The fact is that the iPhone 8 has throttling software, which was
implemented in the iOS update of October 31, 2019, as does the iPhone X.

The chemical aging excuse was pure bullshit on the part of Apple,
particularly since only _some_ iPhones have the problem, but even more so, because Apple only admits to the truth in court.

And in court, Apple paid the _criminal_ fine for purposefully knowingly and secretly slowing down iPhones for the express purpose of selling more
iPhones.

People like Steve aren't stupid, per se; they just don't own a single
neuron that can think like a scientist or engineer.

So they believe the bullshit because they can't process the facts.
--
Anyone want to dispute the facts above and I'll provide the cites since I
don't form a belief system unless it's based on well documented facts.
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