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peyoting wrote:

i' using oracle 9i over windows in course, but i 'm thinking in use it over my ibook.
Is there enterprise manager (sqlplus frontend) avaliable for macos x?

Anyone use it over mac os x?

Having seen the mess that Oracle makes of installing on Solaris (i.e.
needing access to development tools that aren't on the path by default
and then crashing in a heap later because it can't find them without
first bothering to check for them), and the fact it uses a nasty Java installer, and the fact that once installed it can take 30 minutes or
so to create an empty database (what?), and the fact that the
command-line restoration tool will only restore from uncompressed
files, and that it only restores to the same configuration as the
source needing symlinks all over the place and.......

(snip 4 more pages of rants)

.... I won't let anything by Oracle anywhere near any of my Macs.

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PGG wrote:

peyoting wrote:

i' using oracle 9i over windows in course, but i 'm thinking in use
it over my ibook.
Is there enterprise manager (sqlplus frontend) avaliable for macos x?

Anyone use it over mac os x?

Having seen the mess that Oracle makes of installing on Solaris (i.e.
needing access to development tools that aren't on the path by default
and then crashing in a heap later because it can't find them without
first bothering to check for them), and the fact it uses a nasty Java installer, and the fact that once installed it can take 30 minutes or
so to create an empty database (what?), and the fact that the
command-line restoration tool will only restore from uncompressed
files, and that it only restores to the same configuration as the
source needing symlinks all over the place and.......

I'm glad to see their product is slowly improving then.


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Robert Moir <robspamtrap+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

PGG wrote:

peyoting wrote:

i' using oracle 9i over windows in course, but i 'm thinking in use
it over my ibook.
Is there enterprise manager (sqlplus frontend) avaliable for macos x?

Anyone use it over mac os x?

Having seen the mess that Oracle makes of installing on Solaris (i.e. needing access to development tools that aren't on the path by default
and then crashing in a heap later because it can't find them without
first bothering to check for them), and the fact it uses a nasty Java installer, and the fact that once installed it can take 30 minutes or
so to create an empty database (what?), and the fact that the
command-line restoration tool will only restore from uncompressed
files, and that it only restores to the same configuration as the
source needing symlinks all over the place and.......

I'm glad to see their product is slowly improving then.

I'm new to using Oracle at work so am intersted to read these comments.
My impression of Oracle so far is one of astonishment that such an
appalling interface and functionality can be so "popular".

--
Adrian
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:04:24 +0100, nonesuch@place.com (Adrian) wrote:

I'm new to using Oracle at work so am intersted to read these comments.
My impression of Oracle so far is one of astonishment that such an
appalling interface and functionality can be so "popular".

That's not appalling, that's Enterprise Ready!

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Dawn is a beautiful way to end an evening. It's a lousy way
to start a day." - Dominic Flandry
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Adrian wrote:

I'm new to using Oracle at work so am intersted to read these
comments. My impression of Oracle so far is one of astonishment that
such an appalling interface and functionality can be so "popular".

You haven't drunk enough kool aid yet. Keep going and it'll all begin to
make sense.

Every time someone tells me I need to take a look at an 'amazing' new server app, I get a fresh reminder of the saying "All Hardware sucks, all software sucks, it's simply a question of degree".


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Adrian wrote:

I'm new to using Oracle at work so am intersted to read these comments.
My impression of Oracle so far is one of astonishment that such an
appalling interface and functionality can be so "popular".

I've seen this time and time again with big name products.
Documentation completely missing, or provided in such a way that it's
unusable. Things not working correctly unless you know the secret fix
that's not written anywhere.

Also when you do shell out cash to attend a training course, you end up
being taught on aspects of the software that appears to have only been
put in place to serve the training course. It's essentially so that
they can sell consulting at oddles of pounds/dollars a day. Computer
Associates are a name that springs to mind.

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PGG wrote:

Computer Associates are a name that springs to mind.

Wash your mouth out with soap and water please.
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On 12/4/06 09:19, "PGG" wrote:

Adrian wrote:

I'm new to using Oracle at work so am intersted to read these comments.
My impression of Oracle so far is one of astonishment that such an
appalling interface and functionality can be so "popular".

I've seen this time and time again with big name products.
Documentation completely missing, or provided in such a way that it's unusable. Things not working correctly unless you know the secret fix
that's not written anywhere.

Also when you do shell out cash to attend a training course, you end up
being taught on aspects of the software that appears to have only been
put in place to serve the training course. It's essentially so that
they can sell consulting at oddles of pounds/dollars a day. Computer Associates are a name that springs to mind.

Oracle is a name that springs to mind here!

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peyoting <peyoting@quitar.terra.es> wrote:

Anyone use it over mac os x?

I've tried but it demanded OSX Server. But there seem to be a way out of
it:

==
Well, I tried it and it worked fine. There were a few deviations from
the quick setup instructions, but they were all pretty straight-forward.
- Step 5d: no group "oper" exists (needed to add user oracle to it), so
I just skipped that.
- Did not add ulimit commands to /etc/rc because there was no
SystemStarter command
- had to cd into the install directory of the intallation CD and then
call runInstaller from there, instead of from the parent directory
(where there is another runInstaller command)
- had to set JAVA_HOME to /usr and export it to run the installer
- it complained that it could not get an IP address (I'm on a DHCP
system) but I just clicked continue each time that dialog box appeared
- root.sh ended up failing in a few places but the errors did not seem
fatal.

I did not run any exhaustive tests, but it could do what I needed it to
do.
<http://macslash.org/comments.pl?sid=4725&op=&threshold=0&commentsort=0& mode=thread&pid=78991#79001>
==
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Per Erik Rønne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
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Robert Moir wrote:

PGG wrote:

peyoting wrote:

i' using oracle 9i over windows in course, but i 'm thinking in use
it over my ibook.
Is there enterprise manager (sqlplus frontend) avaliable for macos x?

Anyone use it over mac os x?

Having seen the mess that Oracle makes of installing on Solaris (i.e. >>needing access to development tools that aren't on the path by default
and then crashing in a heap later because it can't find them without
first bothering to check for them), and the fact it uses a nasty Java >>installer, and the fact that once installed it can take 30 minutes or
so to create an empty database (what?), and the fact that the
command-line restoration tool will only restore from uncompressed
files, and that it only restores to the same configuration as the
source needing symlinks all over the place and.......

I'm glad to see their product is slowly improving then.

LOL! I remember when one of my Oracle DBAs was installing a new version
a few years ago.

Him to another Oracle DBA: "What a mess this is!"
Other DBA: "Do you remember what a mess version 5 was?"
Him: "Yes, things are getting better!"
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Per Rønne wrote:

peyoting <peyoting@quitar.terra.es> wrote:

Anyone use it over mac os x?

I've tried but it demanded OSX Server. But there seem to be a way out of
it:

Hi Per,

Is there a legitimate way around the OS X Server requirement?

I must admit I was disappointed to get through the signing up process
just to find that OS X Server was a requirement, since I do not have it.
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Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:

Per Rønne wrote:

peyoting <peyoting@quitar.terra.es> wrote:

Anyone use it over mac os x?

I've tried but it demanded OSX Server. But there seem to be a way out of it:

Hi Per,

Is there a legitimate way around the OS X Server requirement?

I must admit I was disappointed to get through the signing up process
just to find that OS X Server was a requirement, since I do not have it.

I don't see the OS X Server requirement as a /legitimate/ requirement.
It will be fully legal to install it on an ordinary MacOS X 10.4.6 [the present].

I'll have to admit that I haven't tried out what I suggested - If you
install would you then mind to tell us?

BTW, my Reply-To address works. Ind I guess that you can guess my real
e-mail address from the "From" and "Reply-To" :-).
--
Per Erik Rønne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
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"Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message news:96b04$443ffe6c$50db5015$15456@news.hispeed.ch...

Per Rønne wrote:

peyoting <peyoting@quitar.terra.es> wrote:

Anyone use it over mac os x?

I've tried but it demanded OSX Server. But there seem to be a way out of it:

Hi Per,

Is there a legitimate way around the OS X Server requirement?

I must admit I was disappointed to get through the signing up process
just to find that OS X Server was a requirement, since I do not have it.

I haven't run it in awhile but when I did it was not on Server. This was before it had an installer if it has one now?

Greg


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G.T. wrote:

"Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message news:96b04$443ffe6c$50db5015$15456@news.hispeed.ch...

Per Rønne wrote:

peyoting <peyoting@quitar.terra.es> wrote:

Anyone use it over mac os x?

I've tried but it demanded OSX Server. But there seem to be a way out of >>>it:

Hi Per,

Is there a legitimate way around the OS X Server requirement?

I must admit I was disappointed to get through the signing up process
just to find that OS X Server was a requirement, since I do not have it.

I haven't run it in awhile but when I did it was not on Server. This was before it had an installer if it has one now?

Thanks. I'll give it a whirl.
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