• Re: Digital camera

    From Keeper of the Purple Twilight@no@spam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 23:15:50
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    I have a Konica KD-400Z and I love it. 4 megapixels, and it uses
    memory sticks. I wouldn't want a camera that used floppies - those
    cameras are WAY too bulky. Besides, floppies can't hold that many
    pictures anyway.

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  • From tacitr@tacitr@aol.com (Tacit) to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, July 24, 2003 17:09:03
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    I do not expect you understand why I prefer a floppy camera, since you do
    not understand the nature of my business. I admit a CD camera will replace >the floppy camera, but the cost is way too high.

    At around $500-$600, the floppy-based Mavica is about three times the cost of similar resolution compact flash or memory-stick-based cameras. So if money is a prblem, you can buy a superior digital camera and a floppy drive, and you'll be set.

    I need removable media to give pictures to people, and for onscreen images, >the floppy cameras work great.

    For onscreen pictures, the onscreen camera works so-so. It does not offer the capability to, for example, crop an image and still fill a modern computer screen, and the color resolution is actually quite poor.

    You keep talking about your business, which leads me to believe you intend to make money from this camera. If that is indeed true, it makes sense to get the best tools you can afford. What happens when your customer DOES want to print the image, or your customer gets a computer whose monitor offers 1024x768 or greater resolution? If you want to make money, you should consider that businesses succeed when they have an eye on future needs.

    You do not understand that I do not work in the print industry, and for
    me on-screen is sufficient enough.

    But I do understand that you keep your options open by keeping an eye on quality. You can buy a camera with double the resolution of the Maciva for half the money; that gives you far more flexibility, and still lets you copy the image to floppies and hand them to woever wants them.

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  • From Phil Stripling@phil_stripling@cieux.zzn.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:52:40
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    crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk (Crucifyself03) writes:

    What would you recommend? I was thinking of Sony. I'd like a camera with a floppy disk, so I can easily hand people pictures while on the road, without any special cables or software.

    My wife has a Mavica which saves to floppies, and it works very well for
    us. We do just as you -- take a person's photo and give them the
    disk. Since floppies are basically free, it's a nice gesture with no cost
    to us.


    I have seen some prints with the floppy camera and they look okay, and I hear they also have the capability to use memory sticks. What do you recommend?

    Her camera doesn't have a memory stick. It takes photos at three
    resolutions. Since we mostly post the photos to the Web, she uses the
    lowest resolution to get the most photos on the disk. We have printed one
    to 8x10 photo quality paper, and no one realized it was not a "real" photograph.


    The only problem I see, is that many of my Mac customers do not have floppy disk drives. Which will make it difficult for me to take pictures and hand them a disk.

    Most Mac users still have a floppy drive. We did give a disk to one Mac
    user without a drive for it, but he said he could give it to a PC owner he
    knew and get the image. Don't let that be a bother to you.

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  • From crucifyself03@crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk (Crucifyself03) to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, July 24, 2003 21:43:11
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    My wife has a Mavica which saves to floppies, and it works very well for
    us. We do just as you -- take a person's photo and give them the
    disk. Since floppies are basically free, it's a nice gesture with no cost
    to us.

    Thank you for your suberb response. I tested the Mavica floppy 1.2 mega pixel today and it will do the job. I personally own a Vivitar 2.1 MP camera, I would really like a Mavica, but this camera will be for a client of mine, who knows dit about computers.

    She just needs a simple camera that can take pictures, and then view them on the computer. The Mavica's images looked similiar to my Vivitar's. I doubt she will do much printing with it. But this camera will be an asset to her.

    I do not understand why people think that everyone who buys a camera has to print with it. Some people only view the images on a computer.

    Most Mac users still have a floppy drive. We did give a disk to one Mac
    user without a drive for it, but he said he could give it to a PC owner
    he
    knew and get the image. Don't let that be a bother to you.

    I bet many of them do. Jwolf can you tell us? Jwolf says the USB floppy disk drives sell well, and I may tend to believe him. I do see many of them still being sold in stores. Apparantly many Mac users still use them.
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  • From E-Star@unix_core@linuxmail.org to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, July 24, 2003 16:13:21
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    In article <20030724122513.15169.00000498@mb-m13.aol.com>,
    Crucifyself03 <crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk> wrote:

    I do not expect you understand why I prefer a floppy camera

    I believe you can buy flash memory readers if that helps.

    Also maybe you should purchase a laptop for your business. Then you
    could offer your customers any media they want. ie. cd, floppy, zip,
    etc or even LAN it to them.
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  • From Steve Hix@sehix@garlic.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, July 24, 2003 16:59:51
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    In article <20030724183507.02417.00000528@mb-m21.aol.com>,
    crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk (Crucifyself03) wrote:

    Also maybe you should purchase a laptop for your business. Then you
    could offer your customers any media they want. ie. cd, floppy, zip,
    etc or even LAN it to them.

    Way too much hassle. man just give them a floppy.

    Too much hassle for you?

    You have a decreasing customer base in your future, given
    that floppies are going away, even in PC land.

    Learn to deal with it.

    After all, floppies are evile(tm).
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  • From GDB@glenn@uvic.ca to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, July 24, 2003 17:00:21
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    In article <20030724174311.04924.00000534@mb-m26.aol.com>,
    crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk (Crucifyself03) wrote:
    Most Mac users still have a floppy drive. We did give a disk to one Mac >user without a drive for it, but he said he could give it to a PC owner
    he
    knew and get the image. Don't let that be a bother to you.

    I bet many of them do. Jwolf can you tell us? Jwolf says the USB floppy disk
    drives sell well, and I may tend to believe him. I do see many of them still being sold in stores. Apparantly many Mac users still use them.

    . . . I haven't used a floppy on a Mac since 1998, even though I had a
    module for my Powerbook 1400, and I currently own a USB floppy drive.
    Files that small I can e-mail, but of course I get your point about
    handing an image over on the spot to someone. But unless they have a
    floppy equipped computer on them, I don't see why you'd care. By the
    time they get to their computer the e-mail would hav arrived anyway . . .

    Glenn
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  • From tacitr@tacitr@aol.com (Tacit) to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, July 25, 2003 00:25:14
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    Way too much hassle. man just give them a floppy.

    Currently, no Macs ship with floppy drives.

    Dell systems no longer ship with floppy drives unless you buy them as an extra.

    Intel has already announced that the next generation of Intel motherboards will not support floppy drives.

    The floppy is dead. You might as well start handing out images on punch cards or paper tape.

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  • From forge@bake455@spamsucks.bellsouth.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, July 24, 2003 22:19:49
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 23 Jul 2003 22:53:16 GMT, crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk
    (Crucifyself03) wrote:

    What would you recommend? I was thinking of Sony. I'd like a camera with a >floppy disk, so I can easily hand people pictures while on the road, without >any special cables or software.

    The floppy-disk camera is far from optimal to say the least. Floppy
    access is slow and the disc only holds a meg and a half. Plus as you
    said in your post, your Mac doesn't have a floppy drive!! The CD
    cameras are only a little better; to read the CD in a computer the
    disc has to be "finalized" which means it can no longer be written to.

    I remember reading somewhere that Sony has discontinued or will be discontinuing the floppy and CD cameras.

    Sony's a good choice though. I have the Cyber-Shot P-71, which was the predecessor to this one http://tinyurl.com/hzno and I'm very happy
    with it. It's compact and loaded to the gills with features, takes
    great pictures, and the memory card holds hundreds. The only thing I
    might've liked better would've been the ability to have sound in the
    movies it takes... which, whaddya know, the P-72 does.

    The only other brand I'd even consider would be Canon; for compactness
    and features you can't beat the Digital ELPH - and their other
    PowerShot cameras are very good too.

    For the record my brother-in-law uses a Minolta like this one http://www.dimage.minolta.com/xi/ and loves it to death. He travels a
    lot and says "If they can't tell it's a camera they won't try to take
    it from you at gunpoint." = )

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  • From forge@bake455@spamsucks.bellsouth.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, July 24, 2003 22:21:02
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 24 Jul 2003 16:25:13 GMT, crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk
    (Crucifyself03) wrote:

    I do not expect you understand why I prefer a floppy camera, since you do not >understand the nature of my business. I admit a CD camera will replace the >floppy camera, but the cost is way too high.

    Sounds like you've already made up your mind. Why the hell are you
    asking all of us then???

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  • From Jeremy@jeremy@exit109.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, July 25, 2003 07:23:09
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    Phil Stripling <phil_stripling@cieux.zzn.com> wrote:

    Louise and I travel a lot and run into other vacationers. If we strike up a conversation or they do us a favor, we can take their photo, show them the result on the LCD, ask if they like it, take another photo or two, then
    give them the floppy. Of course they don't have a computer on them, but
    it's a gift in the hand right then, not a promise to email it when we get home a couple of weeks later. And of course getting their email address, writing it down, remembering to send it, remembering where we put their
    email address, and so on, are all eliminated.

    When I'm traveling, my laptop is no further than my car or hotel room. Plug into the cell phone, and I can have the picture in their email before they
    ever check it. The file from the camera wouldn't fit on a floppy anyway.

    Technology marches on...

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  • From stan@stan@temple.edu to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, July 25, 2003 14:44:15
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    Crucifyself03 <crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk> wrote:
    What would you recommend? I was thinking of Sony. I'd like a camera with a floppy disk, so I can easily hand people pictures while on the road, without any special cables or software.

    I have seen some prints with the floppy camera and they look okay, and I hear they also have the capability to use memory sticks. What do you recommend?

    Finding the best digital camera for your needs is much
    like finding the most comfortable pair of shoes. Only you
    know what works best for you.

    The only problem I see, is that many of my Mac customers do not have floppy disk drives. Which will make it difficult for me to take pictures and hand them a disk.

    I'd like the CD burning camera, but the cost is way too high, so I have to settle on the floppy camera at least for know. I am not in the print business,
    just sometimes we need to print photos using our high end color laser printers.

    What are your needs? I think the CD burning cameras the Sony
    offers aren't worth the money. What's most important, to me at
    least, is the quality of the image and the lens. Sony makes so
    excellent digital cameras, but they are not the ones that burn
    CD-ROM discs. There are also numerous other brands worth
    considering, esp. Olympus. This all depends on your price
    range, your particular needs for this camrera, and how comfortable
    you feel with the controls and the feel of the camera in your
    hands. For a good source of information on this subject, check
    out the web site at http://www.dpreview.com

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  • From tacitr@tacitr@aol.com (Tacit) to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, July 25, 2003 16:56:42
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    Louise and I travel a lot and run into other vacationers. If we strike up
    a conversation or they do us a favor, we can take their photo, show them the >result on the LCD, ask if they like it, take another photo or two, then
    give them the floppy.

    The days when you can continue to do that are numbered. Soon, handing someone a floppy will be about as useful as handing someone a punch card. Even PCs are moving away from floppies.

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  • From pmorrison@pmorrison@4lpi.com (Jason) to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, July 25, 2003 10:14:04
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    crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk (Crucifyself03) wrote in message news:<20030723202625.24645.00000678@mb-m28.aol.com>...
    I have a Konica KD-400Z and I love it. 4 megapixels, and it uses
    memory sticks. I wouldn't want a camera that used floppies - those
    cameras are WAY too bulky. Besides, floppies can't hold that many
    pictures anyway.

    But for some uses they are very useful. They can fit 4-6 good pictures, which
    print okay for standard use. But if you sell on Ebay, update websites, and need a quick no brainer way to give people pictures, nothing beats the floppy camera. The problem with other cameras, is that when I am on the road, I cannot easily hand a co-worker a disk with images.

    It seems like your mind's made up, but I thought I'd at least give you
    a heads up on relative value.

    Sony Mavica CD350 (3.2 megapixel, writes CDs) $430 at newegg.com

    Sony Mavica MVC-FD200 (2 megapixel, writes disks) $360 at amazon.com

    Sony Mavica MVC-FD100 (1.2 megapixel, writes disks) $270 at newegg.com

    Of course you could buy used and such to save more, but I guess the
    point is that it's really not that huge a savings. I would recommend
    you opt for at least the 2 megapixel, because 1 megapixel images will
    look pretty bad on larger/higher res screens.

    I understand what it's like to be strapped for cash though. Happy
    shopping!
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  • From jwolf6589@jwolf6589@aol.com (nospam) to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, July 25, 2003 11:59:59
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    I've used the floppy based cameras. Not bad.. If i were using Ebay a
    lot, or hosting web sites I'd use a floppy camera over a regular
    digital anyday. The mavica takes very good pictures for such a low
    res shot. When you post images to Ebay or to the web, you want them
    as sharp as possible, and as small as possible. You do not want to
    waste hours toying in Photoshop.

    The Mavica has a very good lens and focusing system, much better than
    many non floppy cameras I have used.

    I can see your point Phil. When on the road, who has time to email?
    Man just hand them a cheap floppy, its just so simple. I bet many mac
    users have external floppy drives, and nearly all PC users I know that
    have laptops without floppy drives always have externals. You cant
    get away from the floppies. I admit they are crappy at times if you
    do not know how to take care of them, but they work.
    My PC laptop almost never has a disk error. I cant say the same of my
    mac.

    John


    Phil Stripling <phil_stripling@cieux.zzn.com> wrote in message news:<3qhe5b8e46.fsf@shell4.tdl.com>...
    GDB <glenn@uvic.ca> writes:

    SNIP<
    Files that small I can e-mail, but of course I get your point about
    handing an image over on the spot to someone. But unless they have a
    floppy equipped computer on them, I don't see why you'd care. By the
    time they get to their computer the e-mail would hav arrived anyway . . .

    Hi, Glenn,

    Louise and I travel a lot and run into other vacationers. If we strike up a conversation or they do us a favor, we can take their photo, show them the result on the LCD, ask if they like it, take another photo or two, then
    give them the floppy. Of course they don't have a computer on them, but
    it's a gift in the hand right then, not a promise to email it when we get home a couple of weeks later. And of course getting their email address, writing it down, remembering to send it, remembering where we put their
    email address, and so on, are all eliminated.

    I've lost track of how many people (not just the recipients, but people who see what's going on) tell us "what a nice idea!"

    Of course, people who have locked themselves into a position of not wanting
    a floppy-based camera will never see the advantages, but that's okay,
    hon. You've made your decision, and I can live with that.
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  • From grapeape@grapeape@aol.comjunk (GrapeApe) to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, July 26, 2003 02:07:31
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    << But for some uses they are very useful. They can fit 4-6 good pictures, which
    print okay for standard use. But if you sell on Ebay, update websites, and need a quick no brainer way to give people pictures, nothing beats the floppy camera. >><BR><BR>


    Except you know, email.


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