• Re: "Planned obsolescence" and OS X

    From rhsu@rhsu@ed.com (Robert Hsu) to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, July 24, 2003 02:40:43
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    George Williams <nyar1ath0tep@mac.com> writes:

    If the Mac market share plunges below 3%, even Apple investors may
    start to question the move to X, but that's probably not the cause
    of the decline.

    I think Apple's fortune depends not so much on market share as being
    able to grow or just maintain the absolute number of Mac believers,
    meaning people who have been somehow convinced that the premium
    demanded by Apple is worth it. A lot of these people are repeat
    buyers, and I'm sure a big part of Apple's business comes from them.

    Usenet is not exactly fertile ground for reasoned discussion, but the complaints you see here can be projected to the general Mac
    population. Many users who don't like the new interface can't clearly
    (or calmly) tell you why, and it's easy to dismiss them as trolls.
    But for Apple to take the same attitude toward this segment of
    unsatisfied users would be businesswise doubleplusungood.

    What Apple has going for it is that Mac believers tend to be very
    loyal. Take the case of George O. He obviously doesn't like OS X,
    but if you read his initial post, he was willing to find fixes for the
    things he doesn't like and wait for possible future improvements,
    instead of jumping ship. This kind of loyalty reminds me of a TV
    commercial from way back, based on a certain novel, that warned of its
    dangers and offered an alternative. I wonder if the company that made
    that commercial is still around, and what alternative it may be
    offering today.
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  • From Michael Allbritton@zcoevgg@znp.pbz to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, July 25, 2003 12:05:29
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    In article <20030720203238.06745.00000313@mb-m06.aol.com>,
    Crucifyself03 <crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk> wrote:

    Overall marketshare is already below 3%.

    Gee Apple has it bad. The problem with X is that its more difficult to use, it
    looks awful, and most of the old hardware/software does not work.

    In my opinion this statement is completely subjective, and should not
    be issued as a fact. In my opinion Mac OS X is not more difficult to
    use, nor does it look awful. Admittedly, I do sometimes think Aqua was
    designed with kids in mind, but overall I find it smooth and easy to
    work with.

    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it's all bad.


    Bring back a more advanced update to OS 9 that looks like the old OS.

    OS 9 is dead. There will be no more updates.
    Michael

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  • From Michael Allbritton@zcoevgg@znp.pbz to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, July 25, 2003 12:23:55
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    In article <3F1B61CA.FAF6ECEF@snet.net>, John Albert
    <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

    crucifyself wrote:
    << Gee Apple has it bad. The problem with X is that its more difficult to use, it looks awful, and most of the old hardware/software does not work.
    Bring back a more advanced update to OS 9 that looks like the old OS.>>

    Interesting point.

    And may I ask a question in all seriousness: could OS X become the
    millstone around Apple's neck as it fights for survival in a Windoze world?

    Could OS X be the marketing decision that finally kills Apple?

    Apple's main selling point for personal end users -- before X -- was ease
    of use, ease of repair when things went wrong. With OS X, they can now
    offer neither.

    Without a "user-friendly" OS as its main selling point (certainly _speed_
    can no longer be touted as an Apple selling point), I see Apple's market share sinking further and further. How soon will it be down to 2%? Will we see 1% in a few years?

    Why buy an Apple and fight with the OS, when you can buy a PC and do the
    same thing? (laughs)

    For the record, I have no intention of _ever_ buying a PC. I'll stick with
    OS 9 to the bitter end. I sense that those in Cupertino who understand marketing realized they'd better get some "Classic-bootable" machines out there, or risk seeing their market share drop even further, Steve Jobs insistence that "OS 9 is dead" notwithstanding....

    - John


    Do you enjoy tracking down Extension conflicts in OS 9? I sure never
    did. That was one of the single hardest things to trouble shoot in
    Classic Mac OS. You should have tried to explaining the process to
    trouble shoot an Extension conflict to my mother over the phone. I
    thought I was going to shoot myself before it was over.

    In OS X there are no Extensions. Therefore, no extension conflicts.
    Ever. Your concern about "ease of repair" with Mac OS X simply does not
    exist. Things go wrong far less often with OS X than they ever did with
    Classic Mac OS.

    Before OS X I used to have to reboot my Graphite iBook at least once a
    day, just for good measure, so the OS wouldn't lock up on me at some
    critical point. Running OS X my Pismo has been running, with no
    reboots, since the last security update on July 14th. That's 11 days.
    Before that it was running for over 17 days with no reboots.

    In my opinion Mac OS X is far easier to use and far less trouble than
    Classic Mac OS ever was.

    I would suggest that you actually USE OS X for a little while before
    you condemn it. It's the most advanced consumer-oriented computer
    operating system available, and it's easy to use.
    Michael

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  • From Michael Allbritton@zcoevgg@znp.pbz to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, July 25, 2003 12:28:23
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    In article <20030720203100.06745.00000311@mb-m06.aol.com>,
    Crucifyself03 <crucifyself03@aol.comnojunk> wrote:

    share plunges below 3%, even Apple investors may start
    to question the move to X, but that's probably not the
    cause of the decline.

    So X was a mistake?

    Not in my opinion. But what do I know? I like OS X and run it 24/7 on
    my Pismo.
    Michael

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