• Dual-Booting the Way It's Supposed to Be. (Is this old news?)

    From John Steinberg@seesig@bottom.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, April 13, 2006 00:18:32
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    Parallels Workstation 2.1 Beta3 for Mac OS X Download: <http://www.parallels.com/en/download/mac/>

    And from a David Pogue NYT article (registration required):

    <http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/13/technology/13pogue.html?8dpc>

    ...Boot Camp's problem, though, is right there in its name: You have to
    reboot (restart) the computer every time you switch systems. As a
    result, you can't copy and paste between Mac and Windows programs. And
    when you want to run a Windows program, you have to close everything
    you were working on, shut down the Mac, and restart it in Windows ‹ and
    then reverse the process when you're done. You lose two or three
    minutes each way.
    NO wonder, then, that last week, the corridors of cyberspace echoed
    with the sounds of high-fiving when a superior solution came to light.
    A little company called Parallels has found a way to eliminate all of
    those drawbacks ‹ and to run Windows XP and Mac OS X simultaneously.
    The software is called Parallels Workstation for Mac OS X, although a
    better name might be No Reboot Camp. It, too, is a free public beta,
    available for download from parallels.com. You can pre-order the final
    version for $40, or pay $50 after its release (in a few weeks, says the company).
    Parallels, like Boot Camp, requires that you supply your own copy of
    Windows. But here's the cool part: with Parallels, unlike Boot Camp, it
    doesn't have to be XP. It can be any version, all the way back to
    Windows 3.1 ‹ or even Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, OS/2 or MS-DOS. All of
    this is made possible by a feature of Intel's Core Duo chips (called virtualization) that's expressly designed for running multiple
    operating systems simultaneously.
    In the finished version, the company says, you'll be able to work in
    several operating systems at once. What the heck ‹ install Windows XP
    three times. If one becomes virus-ridden, you can just delete it and
    smile.
    But before your head explodes, consider the most popular case: running
    one copy of Windows XP on your Mac.
    Suppose you're finishing a brochure on your Mac, and you need a phone
    number from your company's Microsoft Access database. You double-click
    the Parallels icon, and 15 seconds later ‹ yes, 15 seconds ‹ Windows XP
    is running in a window of its own, just as you left it. You open
    Access, look up and copy the contact information, click back into your
    Mac design program, and paste. Sweet.
    Using Boot Camp, you'd restart the computer in Windows, look up the
    number ‹ but then what? Without the ability to copy and paste, what
    would you do with the phone number once you found it? Write it on an
    envelope?
    Parallels is very fast ‹ perhaps 95 percent as fast as Boot Camp. (It's definitely not a software-based emulator like Microsoft's old, dog-slow
    Virtual PC program.) It's even fast enough for video games, although
    not the 3-D variety; for now, those are still better played in Boot
    Camp.

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    -John Steinberg
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  • From bobbagoose@bobbagoose@gmail.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, April 13, 2006 07:05:03
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    hey, that's great. I was wondering about the Parallel's solution. I
    guess now I've got no reason not to give it a spin!!
    gaz

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  • From Davoud@star@sky.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, April 13, 2006 13:52:44
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    John Steinberg wrote:

    Parallels Workstation 2.1 Beta3 for Mac OS X Download: <http://www.parallels.com/en/download/mac/>

    And from a David Pogue NYT article (registration required):

    <http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/13/technology/13pogue.html?8dpc>...

    ...Boot Camp's problem, though, is right there in its name: You have to reboot (restart) the computer every time you switch systems. As a
    result, you can't copy and paste between Mac and Windows programs. And
    when you want to run a Windows program, you have to close everything
    you were working on, shut down the Mac, and restart it in Windows ‹ and
    then reverse the process when you're done. You lose two or three
    minutes each way.

    Not exactly old news, more of a still breaking story. Parallels is the
    Holy Grail for those who want to run Windoze and the Mac OS on one
    machine and share data between the two systems. Anecdotal reports
    reaching me say it is already quite good for a beta. I predict that the commercial product will be a hit, and that the technology will mature
    very quickly -- quickly enough that I'll be able to buy a couple of generation-two Mactels this fall. Boot Camp holds no interest for you
    or me; as noted, one-at-a-time is simply too inconvenient.

    Davoud

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  • From Ian Gregory@foo@bar.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, April 13, 2006 19:40:04
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2006-04-13, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

    Not exactly old news, more of a still breaking story. Parallels is the
    Holy Grail for those who want to run Windoze and the Mac OS on one
    machine and share data between the two systems. Anecdotal reports
    reaching me say it is already quite good for a beta. I predict that the commercial product will be a hit, and that the technology will mature
    very quickly -- quickly enough that I'll be able to buy a couple of generation-two Mactels this fall. Boot Camp holds no interest for you
    or me; as noted, one-at-a-time is simply too inconvenient.

    It is already possible to run FreeBSD and Debian concurrently
    on an Intel Mac by running them under Xen. By the end of the
    year it may be possible to add Windows XP and Mac OS X to the
    list.

    I wonder if Parallels had to obtain proprietory information
    under licence and non-disclosure agreement (from Apple and/or
    Microsoft) in order to get their product to work? If so then
    it might be that we will not see the same functionality in
    any Open Source product. Perhaps that is why Parallels think
    that they will have a market for their system.

    Ian

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    Ian Gregory
    http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/
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  • From Davoud@star@sky.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, April 13, 2006 16:06:18
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    Davoud wrote:
    I predict that the
    commercial product will be a hit, and that the technology will mature
    very quickly -- quickly enough that I'll be able to buy a couple of generation-two Mactels this fall. Boot Camp holds no interest for you
    or me; as noted, one-at-a-time is simply too inconvenient.

    Ian Gregory:
    It is already possible to run FreeBSD and Debian concurrently
    on an Intel Mac by running them under Xen. By the end of the
    year it may be possible to add Windows XP and Mac OS X to the
    list.

    I need commercial applications that run under OS X or Windoze, so
    multiple Unix flavors don't mean much to me -- or to the great majority
    of Mac users, I believe. I do, however, run one or two applications
    under X11.

    I wonder if Parallels had to obtain proprietory information
    under licence and non-disclosure agreement (from Apple and/or
    Microsoft) in order to get their product to work?

    Your guess is good as mine. But I would be /quite/ surprised if Apple
    has released such information to Parallels.

    Davoud

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  • From John Steinberg@seesig@bottom.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, April 13, 2006 17:27:28
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    Davoud wrote:

    Not exactly old news, more of a still breaking story.

    Good. I hate being the last one to know. Second to last is fine.

    Boot Camp holds no interest for you
    or me; as noted, one-at-a-time is simply too inconvenient.

    Not unlike what some of Mac using friends from SLC often say. <rimshot>

    Right. We need simultaneous access to both, not one or the udder.

    Boot Camp might be a safety net/selling point for potential switchers,
    though.

    Maybe?

    Someone is cooking with garlic nearby and my head is spinning from the
    aroma wafting through my open windows.

    Make it stop, I'm starving!

    I'm still on the fence re: the Mactels. Awaiting my power apps to go
    native.

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    -John Steinberg
    email: not@thistime.invalid
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  • From Davoud@star@sky.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, April 13, 2006 20:07:19
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    John Steinberg wrote:

    I'm still on the fence re: the Mactels. Awaiting my power apps to go
    native.

    'Zackly. I just received my "Universal Binary*" of Final Cut Studio --
    the entire editing/authoring ball of ear wax. I had resisted ordering
    for the longest time because Apple wanted $500 for the upgrade. They
    blinked first and eventually said "OK, would you believe $199?" "Yes."

    Now I'm waiting for Adobe Creative Suite** and a second or third gen
    Mactel and I'll be good to go.

    Davoud

    * Does /Universal/ Binary mean that the software will run on computers
    as yet unknown on planets as yet undiscovered?

    ** /Creative Suite/ ? Me? Might as well give a Strad to an earthworm.

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  • From John Steinberg@seesig@bottom.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, April 14, 2006 07:43:57
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Davoud wrote:

    'Zackly. I just received my "Universal Binary*" of Final Cut Studio --
    the entire editing/authoring ball of ear wax. I had resisted ordering
    for the longest time because Apple wanted $500 for the upgrade. They
    blinked first and eventually said "OK, would you believe $199?" "Yes."

    Wow, that's a serious blink.

    "We can't all be Ciscos, kids." <---Overheard at FCS upgrade pricing
    meeting.

    * Does /Universal/ Binary mean that the software will run on computers
    as yet unknown on planets as yet undiscovered?

    Must be. After all they could have opted for /Galactic/ Binary were it otherwise, right?

    Marketing also considered /Chubby/ Binary but there were some ...shall
    we say raised eyebrows with that option. /Portly/ BInary was also
    abandoned due to outside pressure from the American Fried Snackfood
    Association and /Fat/ Binary was also out of the question. /Bloated/
    Binary was also floated but this was deemed too sexist.

    Since I prefer truth in advertising, I would have championed something
    more precise like /Intel Transitional/ Binary but evidently I have all
    the marketing chops of a troglodyte.

    ** /Creative Suite/ ? Me? Might as well give a Strad to an earthworm.

    Modesty does not become you, sir.

    Or is it don't flatter yourself?

    In any event, I've no doubt you'll make good use of it, once Adoobie
    gets it out the door. According to Steve the whole recompile is just
    a 15 minute long event, at most, so they must be just sitting there
    teasing us.

    I'm awaiting the UB of MYM </joke>.

    --
    -John Steinberg
    email: not@thistime.invalid
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  • From Davoud@star@sky.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, April 14, 2006 11:07:45
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    John Steinberg wrote:

    I'm awaiting the UB of MYM </joke>.

    Bzzzzzzzzzt!! Wrong, /not/ a joke.

    There was a thread here this week "what Macs to buy - I have specific
    needs" from a gentleman who wants advice on purchasing a lifetime
    supply of Macs that can run Classic in order to run MYM.

    I have 2 pieces of software which I will probably need to be able to
    run for the rest of my life, or at least for many-many years to come, and neither run on intel Macs and one of them runs semi-perfectly only on G5s. Hence, I
    need to stock up on some G4 Macs which would last me, say, 25 years,
    although G5 is also a possibility.

    In a later post in the thread he identified one of the pieces of
    software as MYM.

    I have a UB of AGNoM (Ain't Got No Money.) Works for me.

    You may have missed the the early part of the SAA thread "Thoughts on
    astro imaging" in which Mr. Howell alleged that I am a snooty
    millionaire because I made a joke about eyepieces that have glass at
    both ends and no wires hanging from them as being "quaint." It all
    ended amicably when I explained that the electronic eyepiece in
    question was a ToUCam that I bought second hand, and that my /real/
    autoguider, also bought second hand, is broken and I can't afford to
    get it fixed or replace it at the moment. I also told the true story of
    being raised on the thin edge of poverty in a coal patch in SW Pa. Mr.
    Howell said that he is 54 years old and has a net worth of less than
    $3,000, and he kind of lost it because he is sometimes gets down on
    himself about that. Perfectly understandable. In my utopian society
    people will still amass wealth by working hard, but no one will be
    marginalized and left behind because of bad luck, ill health, whatever.

    That dangerous attitude will probably get me on a no-fly list.

    Davoud

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  • From John Steinberg@seesig@bottom.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, April 14, 2006 11:35:46
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    Davoud wrote:

    Bzzzzzzzzzt!! Wrong, /not/ a joke.

    There was a thread here this week "what Macs to buy - I have specific
    needs" from a gentleman who wants advice on purchasing a lifetime
    supply of Macs that can run Classic in order to run MYM.

    I'm aware of that, thus the tag. Also aware that said gentleman has
    brought this up on more than one occasion here.

    Although I've been trained to work with phobics of all stripes --
    including one man who will wear nothing but Eddie Bauer clothing and
    will not let anyone touch him under any circumstances -- I am
    unfortunately nevertheless amused by what *sounds* like some kind of
    OCD issue.

    It's wrong, I know, but who the hell needs a phone bill from 1992?
    Even the IRS doesn't demand that kind of record keeping for
    billionaires such as yourself!

    I have a UB of AGNoM (Ain't Got No Money.) Works for me.

    Every time I have switched accountants, I've also had to switch
    accounting packages. I've gone from MacMoney to Quicken to QuickBooks
    and the transitions have not always been easy, but sometimes you just
    have to bite the bullet and start fresh.

    You may have missed the the early part of the SAA thread "Thoughts on
    astro imaging" in which Mr. Howell alleged that I am a snooty
    millionaire

    He is a good man, that Mr. H. Sweeter than sugar.

    We Mac users, alas, are often unfairly tarred and feathered as snoots.

    Me, I admit I *am* a snoot, at least insofar as computer choices. Nevertheless, it's not as if I won't talk to or socialize with Windows
    users. I just wear latex gloves and politely snort when malware issues
    pop up when I do so.

    Man, that's not pleasant news to read about M.H.

    himself about that. Perfectly understandable. In my utopian society
    people will still amass wealth by working hard, but no one will be marginalized and left behind because of bad luck, ill health, whatever.

    That dangerous attitude will probably get me on a no-fly list.

    That or a spot in the Venezuelan cabinet.

    It's actually very similar to what our own commander-in-chief believes.
    <insert laugh track>

    Sidebar: You know what's cool about all these generals calling for
    Rummie's head? He serves at the pleasure of the preznit, so what's
    really being said is they have lost any respect for Shrub.

    And to this I say, "wtf took you so long?"

    Thank you, I'll be here all week, enjoy the veal!

    --
    -John Steinberg
    email: not@thistime.invalid
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  • From Kevin Michael Vail@kevin@vaildc.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, April 15, 2006 00:03:03
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    In article <140420060743575199%seesig@bottom.invalid>,
    John Steinberg <seesig@bottom.invalid> wrote:

    []

    Association and /Fat/ Binary was also out of the question. /Bloated/
    Binary was also floated but this was deemed too sexist.

    I think "bloated", as applied to computer software, is a Microsoft
    trademark anyway.

    []
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