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I have a G4 running System 9.1.

I need to install OSX on my computer (or better yet on a totally
separate drive) and keep 9.1 to run my old applications. Or to use
"Classic" mode within OSX.

Does anyone know of any book or website which provides accurate
step-by-step instructions which would guide me through making this
change.

How much effect will doing this have on my peripherals (printer,
scanner)? Will I have to use a different printer for OSX for example?

Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Sy

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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:53:31 -0400, sytech@yahoo.com wrote
(in article <1144932811.610711.37570@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):

I have a G4 running System 9.1.

Why not 9.2.2?

I need to install OSX on my computer (or better yet on a totally
separate drive) and keep 9.1 to run my old applications. Or to use
"Classic" mode within OSX.

Easily done.

1 buy external FireWire drive.

2 install OS X on external drive.

3 boot from external drive.

Does anyone know of any book or website which provides accurate
step-by-step instructions which would guide me through making this
change.

See above. see also <http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=726> and <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106667>

How much effect will doing this have on my peripherals (printer,
scanner)?

Which printer, which scanner? Some work a lot better than others.

Will I have to use a different printer for OSX for example?

It'd help if we knew which printer you have...

Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Sy

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<sytech@yahoo.com> wrote:

keep 9.1 to run my old applications. Or to use
"Classic" mode within OSX.

If so, Apple recommends upgrading to 9.2 or 9.2.2. But you can easily
keep it on a separate drive (e.g., your old one).
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In article <1144932811.610711.37570@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
sytech@yahoo.com wrote:

I have a G4 running System 9.1.

I need to install OSX on my computer (or better yet on a totally
separate drive) and keep 9.1 to run my old applications. Or to use
"Classic" mode within OSX.

Does anyone know of any book or website which provides accurate
step-by-step instructions which would guide me through making this
change.

Step 1: Upgrade 9.1 to 9.2.2; it's a free upgrade from Apple.
Step 2: Boot the computer with the OS X install disk. (Preferably
Tiger)
Step 3: Install OS X.

That's it.

How much effect will doing this have on my peripherals (printer,
scanner)? Will I have to use a different printer for OSX for
example?

There shouldn't be any problems. You might have to install OS X drivers
or software for the scanner (Viewscan would be an excellent choice if
you can't find the manufacturer's drivers--heck, it would be a good
choice regardless); the printer drivers should be installed with OS X,
though.

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In article <1hdqzxs.xlbwjb1f7jjy8N%see_signature@mac.com.invalid>,
see_signature@mac.com.invalid (Jon) wrote:

<sytech@yahoo.com> wrote:

keep 9.1 to run my old applications. Or to use
"Classic" mode within OSX.

If so, Apple recommends upgrading to 9.2 or 9.2.2. But you can easily
keep it on a separate drive (e.g., your old one).

My experience has been that OS 9.x apps work best when run directly
under that OS, and not in Classic mode under OS X. If this has been
improved under Tiger (does Tiger have Classic mode?), then I'll be
pleasantly surprised.

IIRC, a couple 9.x apps did perform better under Panther. I saw some performance improvement using Adobe Photoshop in Panther's Classic mode,
and I'm sure there was at least one other program that performed better
in some way in Classic, but I don't recall what it was...I've slept
since then ;)

YMMV...
Happy computing,
Eric
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I have a Samsung ML-1210 laser printer and an HP Deskjet 952C.
I have an AGFA Snapscan E20 scanner. A Belkin USB hub,

A Samsung Syncmaster 172N monitor. Apple keyboard and mouse that came
with the G4.

Which OSX would be the best to get? I've never used OSX.

Any recommendations on an external Firewire Drive?

Also might I just be better off buying a brand new Mac and getting some "conversion" software to "translate" my old Quicken '98 files and
Microsoft Works 3.0 (15 years old) Database and Word Processing files.
I really don't want to have to spend all that money though.

Please advise. Thanks,

Sy

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In article <1144984340.094821.49410@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
sytech@yahoo.com wrote:

Also might I just be better off buying a brand new Mac and getting some "conversion" software to "translate" my old Quicken '98 files and
Microsoft Works 3.0 (15 years old) Database and Word Processing files.
I really don't want to have to spend all that money though.

Please advise. Thanks,

I have no idea about Microsoft Works but Quicken '98 files on OS9 easily
made the change to Quicken 2005 when I switched. I can't remember
whether it was with import or not, but it probably was. Quicken has been faithful in updating databases from earlier versions which is as it
should be for a major company. Perhaps Microsoft does the same.

leo

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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:12:20 -0400, sytech@yahoo.com wrote
(in article <1144984340.094821.49410@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):

I have a Samsung ML-1210 laser printer

That doesn't seem to be supported in OS X.

and an HP Deskjet 952C.

That is supported, by HP, by GIMP/GutenPrint, and the HPIJS Project.

I have an AGFA Snapscan E20 scanner.

Not officially supported, but the old Agfa Snapscan software should still work. I had an Agfa which worked quite well under OS X 10.1.

A Belkin USB hub,

works

A Samsung Syncmaster 172N monitor. Apple keyboard and mouse that came
with the G4.

should work, no problem.

Which OSX would be the best to get? I've never used OSX.

How much RAM and disk space do you have? Tiger is best, but if you have less than 512MB RAM and 20GB _free_ disk space, go with Panther or something earlier.

Any recommendations on an external Firewire Drive?

They're all pretty much the same, really. Some older Lacie Porsche Design drives had power problems.

Also might I just be better off buying a brand new Mac and getting some "conversion" software to "translate" my old Quicken '98 files and
Microsoft Works 3.0 (15 years old) Database and Word Processing files.
I really don't want to have to spend all that money though.

Check and see if Dataviz MacLink Pro can do what you want.

Please advise. Thanks,

Sy

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I have 576 MB RAM and at least 30 GB available disk space

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If as you say my Samsung Printer won't work in OSX I could always but a
new printer. This one works ok but is old . Does that mean I would
have to use this printer while in OS 9.1 and the new printer when in
OSX? Or would a new printer be "backward compatible"?

If I have 2 distinct Operating systems each operating on a different
drive (as opposed to using "Classic Mode" which has some shortcomings
as I can tell) then won't I have to re-boot to go from one to the
other?

For example, because my Internet access is really becoming limited in
OS 9.1 I would want to use OSX for the Internet. Then suppose I find
an article that I want to save as a MS-WORKS 3.0 word processing
file. How would I go about doing that?

I really appreciate your feedback.

Sy

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:12:48 -0400, sytech@yahoo.com wrote
(in article <1145016768.152207.69470@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

If as you say my Samsung Printer won't work in OSX I could always but a
new printer. This one works ok but is old .

Contact Samsung and see if they have OS X drivers. I made a quick run past their website and didn't see anything, but they _do_ have Linux PPC drivers, which suggests they may have OS X drivers somewhere. Or maybe the Linux drivers can be made to work.

Does that mean I would
have to use this printer while in OS 9.1 and the new printer when in
OSX?

If there are no OS X drivers for it, then yes you'd have to boot OS 9 to use the Samsung.

Or would a new printer be "backward compatible"?

Most new printers should work in OS X and Classic. As of Tiger, Apple pulled
a trick with printing in Classic: all printers which are available in OS X, including the fax system, show up in Classic as if they were LaserWriter 8 printers. LW8 prints, hands off to the OS X drivers, and you get output , including colour output, from your printer. It's a little slower than
printing directly as it goes past two drivers, but it works. The printer just has to have OS X drivers.

If I have 2 distinct Operating systems each operating on a different
drive (as opposed to using "Classic Mode" which has some shortcomings
as I can tell)

Classic doesn't like apps which require direct access to the hardware. This includes but is not limited to certain games, many utilities, and items such as OS 9 fax software. Almost all other apps work fine in Classic. The list of known working software includes Quark 3.x, 4, & 5; MS Word 5.x, 6, 98, 2001; MS Excel 4, 98, 2001; Photoshop 4, 5, 6; Illustrator 9; most versions of Apple/ClarisWorks. Known not working apps include all disk utilities, all
anti virus utilities, and all fax utilities.

then won't I have to re-boot to go from one to the
other?

Yes. Classic runs as an operating environment under OS X. It is _not_ OS 9, directly, it just uses OS 9's systems. OS 9 is a different OS, and you'd have to reboot to run it.

I'd update to 9.2.2 unless there was a good reason why not.

For example, because my Internet access is really becoming limited in
OS 9.1 I would want to use OSX for the Internet. Then suppose I find
an article that I want to save as a MS-WORKS 3.0 word processing
file. How would I go about doing that?

If Works runs in Classic, I'd launch Classic (if it's not already running)
and then launch Works and cut and paste. Safari and Firefox both allow saving pages directly as Web archives and as HTML; Firefox will save as plain text
as well. Typically Web archives can be opened only by a limited set of apps, but anything which can open text (Word, SimpleText, TextEdit, whatever) can open HTML and plain text files.

I really appreciate your feedback.

You have 576MB...that's at the low limit for Tiger. Panther would give a bit more breathing space, or you might want to add some RAM. Panther doesn't do the LW8 print trick with Classic, and sometimes printing from Classic got messy, especially with HP inkjet printers. Anyone who does a lot of printing from Classic really should be doing two things:

1 run Tiger

2 look hard for OS X-native versions of the software they use, or a least something OS X-native which can use their data.

Note that the new Intel Macs don't run Classic and probably never will. If
you buy a new machine, Classic is out.

Sy

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On my 7300 I just created a few partitions, and used one of them for OS9.2.2 and
another for OSX (also 1x for photos and 1x for Windows stuff)

Then just select which OS to boot from the control panel.

David - who found the above worked OK, but found OSX too slow

"J.J. O'Shea" wrote:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:53:31 -0400, sytech@yahoo.com wrote
(in article <1144932811.610711.37570@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):

I need to install OSX on my computer (or better yet on a totally
separate drive) and keep 9.1 to run my old applications. Or to use "Classic" mode within OSX.

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On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:44:34 -0400, quietguy wrote
(in article <4444FA7B.92697E6F@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com>):

On my 7300 I just created a few partitions, and used one of them for OS9.2.2 and
another for OSX (also 1x for photos and 1x for Windows stuff)

Then just select which OS to boot from the control panel.

David - who found the above worked OK, but found OSX too slow

Which version of OS X? How much RAM did you have? If you have 10.0 or 10.1, things are going to be slow. 10.0 was Not Ready For Prime Time. 10.1 really shouldn't be run on any Mac that doesn't have at least 192MB RAM and 10GB
disk space free. 10.2 was noticeably faster, so long as you had 224-256MB
RAM. 10.3 was faster yet, but anything under 320-384MB RAM slowed it down.
And 10.4, well, if you have less than 512MB you're fooling yourself.

10.4 on a machine with 256MB will _work_... you just won't like it. At all.

"J.J. O'Shea" wrote:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:53:31 -0400, sytech@yahoo.com wrote
(in article <1144932811.610711.37570@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):

I need to install OSX on my computer (or better yet on a totally
separate drive) and keep 9.1 to run my old applications. Or to use
"Classic" mode within OSX.

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