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I may do a POC project and was thinking of basing it on the Raspberry 4
board. While at their site I stumbled on this:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-400/

Which is a fully functional PC .... in a keyboard. No desktop unit.

It's a very nice concept and you get a quad core x 64 bit ARM @1.8 GHz
with 4 GB of RAM. Dual HDMI (2 x 4K / 30 Hz if I read correctly), USB 3
(x2) and USB 2. Gb ethernet, WiFi, BT, SD card slot ...
and interesting to me a GPIO header with various guzintas and guzoutas
for the POC project I'm thinking of doing.

Broadcom BCM2711 quad-core Cortex-A72 (ARM v8) 64-bit SoC @ 1.8GHz

Various Linux will run on it, comes with R Pi OS.

CAD$135 (about $100 US).

I'm hesitant over the quality of the keyboard.

... and I hope Apple steal this idea. Would make a fine Mx based Mini
sort of machine. Some thermal issues perhaps - maybe need a fan ...

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On 2021-01-16, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

I may do a POC project and was thinking of basing it on the Raspberry 4 board. While at their site I stumbled on this:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-400/

Which is a fully functional PC .... in a keyboard. No desktop unit.

It's a very nice concept and you get a quad core x 64 bit ARM @1.8 GHz
with 4 GB of RAM. Dual HDMI (2 x 4K / 30 Hz if I read correctly), USB 3 (x2) and USB 2. Gb ethernet, WiFi, BT, SD card slot ...
and interesting to me a GPIO header with various guzintas and guzoutas
for the POC project I'm thinking of doing.

Broadcom BCM2711 quad-core Cortex-A72 (ARM v8) 64-bit SoC @ 1.8GHz

Various Linux will run on it, comes with R Pi OS.

CAD$135 (about $100 US).

I'm hesitant over the quality of the keyboard.

... and I hope Apple steal this idea. Would make a fine Mx based Mini
sort of machine. Some thermal issues perhaps - maybe need a fan ...

Disclaimer: I have no direct experience with the Raspberry Pi 400 or the Raspberry Pi keyboard.

I have seen anecdotal reports that the Raspberry Pi keyboard is very
light weight and seems a bit flimsy. Maybe not the best choice for heavy
use, but YMMV.

For a few years I have been running a Pi3B headless, interfaced to my
Vantage Vue weather station. It's a solid little monster. I think I
would recommend starting off with a starter kit where you then add your
own keyboard/mouse. Later you can go crazy and add a fancy case and SSD
as needed.

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On 2021-01-16, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

I may do a POC project and was thinking of basing it on the Raspberry 4 board. While at their site I stumbled on this:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-400/

Which is a fully functional PC .... in a keyboard. No desktop unit.

It's a very nice concept and you get a quad core x 64 bit ARM @1.8 GHz
with 4 GB of RAM. Dual HDMI (2 x 4K / 30 Hz if I read correctly), USB 3 (x2) and USB 2. Gb ethernet, WiFi, BT, SD card slot ...
and interesting to me a GPIO header with various guzintas and guzoutas
for the POC project I'm thinking of doing.

Broadcom BCM2711 quad-core Cortex-A72 (ARM v8) 64-bit SoC @ 1.8GHz

Various Linux will run on it, comes with R Pi OS.

CAD$135 (about $100 US).

I'm hesitant over the quality of the keyboard.

... and I hope Apple steal this idea. Would make a fine Mx based Mini
sort of machine. Some thermal issues perhaps - maybe need a fan ...

I should have mentioned in my earlier reply to ask the nice people over
at comp.sys.raspberry-pi. Quite a helpful, but opinionated lot.

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In message <6PKMH.23023$Yt4.19765@fx38.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

I may do a POC project and was thinking of basing it on the Raspberry 4 board. While at their site I stumbled on this:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-400/

Made quite the splash when it was announced last year.

It's a very nice concept and you get a quad core x 64 bit ARM @1.8 GHz
with 4 GB of RAM. Dual HDMI (2 x 4K / 30 Hz if I read correctly), USB 3 (x2) and USB 2. Gb ethernet, WiFi, BT, SD card slot ...
and interesting to me a GPIO header with various guzintas and guzoutas
for the POC project I'm thinking of doing.

Only very slight caveat is that the machine uses mini HDMI, so you will
almost certainly need dongles for any cables you have. The Pi 4 is a very
nice little box though, and extremely capable.

I'm hesitant over the quality of the keyboard.

That I cannot speak to, but I would guess based on their track record
that it is ... fine. Not great, but also not garbage.

... and I hope Apple steal this idea. Would make a fine Mx based Mini
sort of machine. Some thermal issues perhaps - maybe need a fan ...

I wouldn’t think so, no. Apple has never been about chasing the low-end.

Also, I doubt very much there are thermal issues, the M1 already doesn't
need active cooling. The Pi does quite well with a heat sink and no fan
as well, though their ARM chips are no where near the performance of
Apple's.


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On 2021-01-16 21:09, Lewis wrote:

In message <6PKMH.23023$Yt4.19765@fx38.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

... and I hope Apple steal this idea. Would make a fine Mx based Mini
sort of machine. Some thermal issues perhaps - maybe need a fan ...

I wouldn’t think so, no. Apple has never been about chasing the low-end.

Who said low end? I'm talking about a package style.

Also, I doubt very much there are thermal issues, the M1 already doesn't
need active cooling. The Pi does quite well with a heat sink and no fan
as well, though their ARM chips are no where near the performance of
Apple's.

And that's the point. The Mx chips are doing much more and at a higher
clock speed, etc. In a package like a keyboard computer, dumping that
heat gets harder. Can't compare it to the mini very well:

Mini memory speed: 4266 MT/s

Mini volume: 1397 cm^3 surface: 1060 cm^2

Max continuous: 150 W (Apple spec).

(If you have an app like iStat menus compatible with the M1 Mini you
could get actual figures for loaded conditions...)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Pi 400 memory speed: 3200 MT/s

Pi 400: 802.5 cm^3 surface: 820

Max continuous 15.3 W (based on the kit power supply).

So the Mini has much more air circulation volume and surface area to
dissipate heat compared to the keyboard Pi. I'd expect an Mx keyboard
to be perhaps larger, and metal (not plastic) - things that would help,
but also to have clever heat pipes and possibly a small quiet fan.

Speculative of course.


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man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
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On 2021-01-16 19:53, Chris Schram wrote:

On 2021-01-16, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

I may do a POC project and was thinking of basing it on the Raspberry 4
board. While at their site I stumbled on this:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-400/

Which is a fully functional PC .... in a keyboard. No desktop unit.

It's a very nice concept and you get a quad core x 64 bit ARM @1.8 GHz
with 4 GB of RAM. Dual HDMI (2 x 4K / 30 Hz if I read correctly), USB 3
(x2) and USB 2. Gb ethernet, WiFi, BT, SD card slot ...
and interesting to me a GPIO header with various guzintas and guzoutas
for the POC project I'm thinking of doing.

Broadcom BCM2711 quad-core Cortex-A72 (ARM v8) 64-bit SoC @ 1.8GHz

Various Linux will run on it, comes with R Pi OS.

CAD$135 (about $100 US).

I'm hesitant over the quality of the keyboard.[1] <----

... and I hope Apple steal this idea. Would make a fine Mx based Mini
sort of machine. Some thermal issues perhaps - maybe need a fan ...

Disclaimer: I have no direct experience with the Raspberry Pi 400 or the Raspberry Pi keyboard.

I have seen anecdotal reports that the Raspberry Pi keyboard is very
light weight and seems a bit flimsy. Maybe not the best choice for heavy
use, but YMMV.

It's my main worry[1].

Also, how clean the setup will be if the GPIO port ribbon cable is
attached to the KB and the project, it could get a little clumsy.

Further, I have keyboards and mice and power supplies all over, so it's
extra cost.

A 4GB version would be overkill at that for the project. (Stuck in the
gulf where an Arduino is not powerful enough and the Pi is overkill - advantage of Pi of course is Linux, display, etc. and so on; the end
project would be headless but would have a relatively large enclosure
for the electronics beyond the processor).

For a few years I have been running a Pi3B headless, interfaced to my
Vantage Vue weather station. It's a solid little monster. I think I
would recommend starting off with a starter kit where you then add your
own keyboard/mouse. Later you can go crazy and add a fancy case and SSD
as needed.

I had an original (or 2nd v.) Pi years ago. I did a small project with
it and sold the board afterwards (as it turns out a former employee of
mine found my Craigslist advert to sell it...).

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man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
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In message <lmXMH.5207$HR5.1015@fx12.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2021-01-16 21:09, Lewis wrote:

In message <6PKMH.23023$Yt4.19765@fx38.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

... and I hope Apple steal this idea. Would make a fine Mx based Mini
sort of machine. Some thermal issues perhaps - maybe need a fan ...

I wouldn’t think so, no. Apple has never been about chasing the low-end.

Who said low end? I'm talking about a package style.

They could redesign the current mac mini to a smaller form factor, but
there are advantages to keeping the same size, especially considering how
many are used in CoLos. But, like it or not, very small computers are
asumed to be laow end low power hobbiest mchines suitable for one
purpouse at a time. It's not TRUE, but it is not a market where Apple
probably wants to drop a $500 machine (and no, Apple is not going to
release a Mac without TB3/TB4.

Also, I doubt very much there are thermal issues, the M1 already doesn't
need active cooling. The Pi does quite well with a heat sink and no fan
as well, though their ARM chips are no where near the performance of
Apple's.

And that's the point. The Mx chips are doing much more and at a higher clock speed, etc. In a package like a keyboard computer, dumping that
heat gets harder. Can't compare it to the mini very well:

Mini memory speed: 4266 MT/s

Mini volume: 1397 cm^3 surface: 1060 cm^2

Max continuous: 150 W (Apple spec).

(If you have an app like iStat menus compatible with the M1 Mini you
could get actual figures for loaded conditions...)

iStat menus is not showing me things like watts at all on an M1 Mac, or
memory speed. There's no chance it is pulling 150W, however (And it's
been running full tilt for 2 days as I convert a bunch of BD rips into
HEVC files, saving 50-90% of the file size.

So the Mini has much more air circulation volume and surface area to dissipate heat compared to the keyboard Pi. I'd expect an Mx keyboard
to be perhaps larger, and metal (not plastic) - things that would help,
but also to have clever heat pipes and possibly a small quiet fan.

Speculative of course.

It's not something I would expect Apple to do. Their ideal price point
is around US$1200 or higher. Yes, they have a couple of thing under
that, but by the time you spec them reasonably, you are at US$1200.

You can get the mini at a somewhat decent configuration for $900, but
you will need to learn to live with 500GB of storage on it, and that
will be tight for quite a lot of users, and you can go down to 256GB for
$700 but again, that is not a lot of space for a modern computer. Spec a
mini with 16GB of Ram and a 1TB drive and you're at US$1300.

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"I think so, Brain, but what kind of rides do they have in
Fabioland?"
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On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 9:49:31 AM UTC-7, Lewis wrote:

In message <lmXMH.5207$HR5....@fx12.iad> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2021-01-16 21:09, Lewis wrote:

In message <6PKMH.23023$Yt4....@fx38.iad> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

... and I hope Apple steal this idea. Would make a fine Mx based Mini >>> sort of machine. Some thermal issues perhaps - maybe need a fan ...

I wouldn’t think so, no. Apple has never been about chasing the low-end.

Who said low end? I'm talking about a package style.

They could redesign the current mac mini to a smaller form factor, but
there are advantages to keeping the same size, especially considering how many are used in CoLos. But, like it or not, very small computers are
asumed to be laow end low power hobbiest mchines suitable for one
purpouse at a time. It's not TRUE, but it is not a market where Apple probably wants to drop a $500 machine (and no, Apple is not going to
release a Mac without TB3/TB4.

Also, I doubt very much there are thermal issues, the M1 already doesn't >> need active cooling. The Pi does quite well with a heat sink and no fan >> as well, though their ARM chips are no where near the performance of
Apple's.

And that's the point. The Mx chips are doing much more and at a higher clock speed, etc. In a package like a keyboard computer, dumping that
heat gets harder. Can't compare it to the mini very well:

Mini memory speed: 4266 MT/s

Mini volume: 1397 cm^3 surface: 1060 cm^2

Max continuous: 150 W (Apple spec).

(If you have an app like iStat menus compatible with the M1 Mini you
could get actual figures for loaded conditions...)

iStat menus is not showing me things like watts at all on an M1 Mac, or memory speed. There's no chance it is pulling 150W, however (And it's
been running full tilt for 2 days as I convert a bunch of BD rips into
HEVC files, saving 50-90% of the file size.

So the Mini has much more air circulation volume and surface area to dissipate heat compared to the keyboard Pi. I'd expect an Mx keyboard
to be perhaps larger, and metal (not plastic) - things that would help, but also to have clever heat pipes and possibly a small quiet fan.

Speculative of course.

It's not something I would expect Apple to do. Their ideal price point
is around US$1200 or higher. Yes, they have a couple of thing under
that, but by the time you spec them reasonably, you are at US$1200.

You can get the mini at a somewhat decent configuration for $900, but
you will need to learn to live with 500GB of storage on it, and that
will be tight for quite a lot of users, and you can go down to 256GB for $700 but again, that is not a lot of space for a modern computer. Spec a mini with 16GB of Ram and a 1TB drive and you're at US$1300.

--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Brain, but what kind of rides do they have in
Fabioland?"

Cinnamon is perhaps my second favorite DE and the only one I suggest
to Windows morons. Primary interface is Xfce, though. Lots of desktop
effects is all you need after you install it.
Did he think that was clever? So what is Shadow's tool for the flooding
crap? FileMaker? That is the only language he knows, or admits to. He
must be programming it to create these absurd "obsession" threads. Educated idea, Shadow took a PGP program that he pirated and try to sell online...
he is feeding it content from this group, grabbing hand-picked paragraphs, then altering those using a Markv model and then he directly posts them because his insomnia enables him to do that almost endlessly. Sandman
blames Shadow for what others do. Here is a list of names Jonas Eklundh
has admitted he attributes to Shadow "Cactus Pete", "Donald", "Donald
Miller", "Horace McSwain", "Hymen", "meat", "Mike Weaver", "Modena IV
Drid", "Omar Murad Asfour", "Rhino Plastee", "Soapy", "SopwithCamel",
"Sunny Day", "Takuya Saitoh", "The Letter Q", "tmelmosfire", "zevon".
And the herd is stupid enough to believe him.
My view: Even if he was just learning for the sake of learning, the
claim that earning wisdom as being one of having "not anything" to show
for it doesn't fly because you will have the knowledge to show for it
and intelligence is important for the future.
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Dustin Cook the functionally illiterate fraud
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On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 9:49:31 AM UTC-7, Lewis wrote:

In message <lmXMH.5207$HR5....@fx12.iad> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2021-01-16 21:09, Lewis wrote:

In message <6PKMH.23023$Yt4....@fx38.iad> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

... and I hope Apple steal this idea. Would make a fine Mx based Mini >>> sort of machine. Some thermal issues perhaps - maybe need a fan ...

I wouldn’t think so, no. Apple has never been about chasing the low-end.

Who said low end? I'm talking about a package style.

They could redesign the current mac mini to a smaller form factor, but
there are advantages to keeping the same size, especially considering how many are used in CoLos. But, like it or not, very small computers are
asumed to be laow end low power hobbiest mchines suitable for one
purpouse at a time. It's not TRUE, but it is not a market where Apple probably wants to drop a $500 machine (and no, Apple is not going to
release a Mac without TB3/TB4.

Also, I doubt very much there are thermal issues, the M1 already doesn't >> need active cooling. The Pi does quite well with a heat sink and no fan >> as well, though their ARM chips are no where near the performance of
Apple's.

And that's the point. The Mx chips are doing much more and at a higher clock speed, etc. In a package like a keyboard computer, dumping that
heat gets harder. Can't compare it to the mini very well:

Mini memory speed: 4266 MT/s

Mini volume: 1397 cm^3 surface: 1060 cm^2

Max continuous: 150 W (Apple spec).

(If you have an app like iStat menus compatible with the M1 Mini you
could get actual figures for loaded conditions...)

iStat menus is not showing me things like watts at all on an M1 Mac, or memory speed. There's no chance it is pulling 150W, however (And it's
been running full tilt for 2 days as I convert a bunch of BD rips into
HEVC files, saving 50-90% of the file size.

So the Mini has much more air circulation volume and surface area to dissipate heat compared to the keyboard Pi. I'd expect an Mx keyboard
to be perhaps larger, and metal (not plastic) - things that would help, but also to have clever heat pipes and possibly a small quiet fan.

Speculative of course.

It's not something I would expect Apple to do. Their ideal price point
is around US$1200 or higher. Yes, they have a couple of thing under
that, but by the time you spec them reasonably, you are at US$1200.

You can get the mini at a somewhat decent configuration for $900, but
you will need to learn to live with 500GB of storage on it, and that
will be tight for quite a lot of users, and you can go down to 256GB for $700 but again, that is not a lot of space for a modern computer. Spec a mini with 16GB of Ram and a 1TB drive and you're at US$1300.

--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Brain, but what kind of rides do they have in
Fabioland?"

I'd respond to Shadow honestly but he is an imbecile who twists what you
say to effect his yearning to call everyone a sock. Just Wondering shared
a specific series of sites several times now, and invited Shadow to show
which ones aren't accurate and provide the evidence to support his claim.
At no time has Shadow done so.
Just Wondering trolled Shadow some, big f*cking deal. No need to be a blubbering
prick about it? Dropping support for 16 bit apps is what it comes down to.
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