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I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to seeing
more responses to the poll.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

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Your results won't mean much, since it's self reporting. Ask men coming out of the bathroom "Did you wash your hands?" and a large percentage will say yes. Actually observe, and it's something like 1 in 3, or 33% that do.
(Women are better at it).

<brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144962164.996334.45910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to seeing
more responses to the poll.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

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Are they meant to be read? I guess I would say a BIG 5! That is like
reading the instructions to put something together!

<brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144962164.996334.45910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to seeing
more responses to the poll.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

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Are we suppose to wash? They will just get dirty again.....

"Jone Doe" <fake@nowhere.org> wrote in message news:uG%23i%236zXGHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Your results won't mean much, since it's self reporting. Ask men coming
out of the bathroom "Did you wash your hands?" and a large percentage will say yes. Actually observe, and it's something like 1 in 3, or 33% that
do. (Women are better at it).

<brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144962164.996334.45910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to seeing
more responses to the poll.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

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On 2006-04-14 00:02:45 +0300, brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com said:

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

We should read EULAs but the mechanism and their length is a problem.

I know there is no mechanism currently to install Safari toolbar but
here is a line from DivX 6 EULA (you know why I read that specific one
line by line)

"Components bundled with our software may report to
Licensor and/or its affiliates the installation status of certain marketing offers, such as toolbars, and also generalized installation
information, such as
language preference and operating system version, to assist Licensor in its product development."
(it already does, pingie.exe , is blocked on my netbarrier x4)

and here is very interesting part!

"Licensor may in the future
offer additional components (such as a toolbar) through our version checking/update system." --->pingie.exe I speak about

Ilgaz

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brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com wrote:

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to seeing
more responses to the poll.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

I voted "sometimes", but that's only true if the software HAS an EULA.
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brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com wrote:

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to seeing
more responses to the poll.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

Hardly relevant since one has to acknowledge reading the
EULA, whether or not one has actually done so, by checking
the box in order to proceed with the software installation.
This is significantly more different and legally binding
than just merely ignoring warning labels and signs.
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On Thursday 13 April 2006 02:02 pm, brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com had this to say
in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to seeing
more responses to the poll.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

Never. I have better things to do with my live than read legal crapola
written to protect some multinational corporation that doesn't give a shit about their users.


--
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"You might also want to try one of the numerous EXCELLENT
registry cleaners, and perhaps a ram washer."
View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
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<brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144962164.996334.45910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to seeing
more responses to the poll.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

Few people ever read a(n) EULA. If they did, they would never install any software.


--
Replace ".invalid" with ".com" to reply


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I let EULAlyzer do the reading.
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/eulalyzer.html



"Ilgaz Ocal" <ilgaz_ocal@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:4a7u22Fre71jU1@individual.net...

On 2006-04-14 00:02:45 +0300, brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com said:

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

We should read EULAs but the mechanism and their length is a problem.

I know there is no mechanism currently to install Safari toolbar but here
is a line from DivX 6 EULA (you know why I read that specific one line by line)

"Components bundled with our software may report to
Licensor and/or its affiliates the installation status of certain
marketing
offers, such as toolbars, and also generalized installation information, such as
language preference and operating system version, to assist Licensor in
its
product development."
(it already does, pingie.exe , is blocked on my netbarrier x4)

and here is very interesting part!

"Licensor may in the future
offer additional components (such as a toolbar) through our version checking/update system." --->pingie.exe I speak about

Ilgaz

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On 2006-04-14 02:14:17 +0300, "Kayman" <khkay@-invalid-csloxinfo.com> said:

I let EULAlyzer do the reading. http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/eulalyzer.html

It is Windows only? But domain says javacoolsoftware.com. Don't say it
is a java program having windows installer.

I hate when java coders do it. :)

Can you say if it is a java program or not? I think that thing should
be java webstart installable and should run on OS X too. If it is a
java program, I will suggest the developers to make it.

Have a nice day,thanks for the link (OS X boot camp users will benefit anyway)

Ilgaz Öcal

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<brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

The vast bulk of what's in any software license is boilerplate,
essentially identical in all of 'em. The only terms that vary
significantly are the number of machines the software may be installed
on and whether an upgrade license permits a separate transfer of the old version. Reading every license completely is a waste of time.

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I run it with OS Microsoft Win32 XPPro Version 5.12600 SP2 Build 2600.

"Ilgaz Ocal" <ilgaz_ocal@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:4a852pFrbg4lU1@individual.net...

On 2006-04-14 02:14:17 +0300, "Kayman" <khkay@-invalid-csloxinfo.com>
said:

I let EULAlyzer do the reading.
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/eulalyzer.html

It is Windows only? But domain says javacoolsoftware.com. Don't say it is
a java program having windows installer.

I hate when java coders do it. :)

Can you say if it is a java program or not? I think that thing should be java webstart installable and should run on OS X too. If it is a java program, I will suggest the developers to make it.

Have a nice day,thanks for the link (OS X boot camp users will benefit anyway)

Ilgaz Öcal

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In article <1144968337.19610.0@ersa.uk.clara.net>,
"Mr. Slow" <millenniumgold@btinternet.invalid> wrote:

Few people ever read a(n) EULA. If they did, they would never install
any software.

They'd install software released under the GNU GPL, as that preserves
the user's rights.
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MP wrote:

Are we suppose to wash? They will just get dirty again.....

LOL

--
Mike Pawlak


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brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com writes:

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to seeing
more responses to the poll.

I remember reading something -- possibly here -- where someone into
there EULA the offer to pay $100 (or something) to the first person to
read it and ask for the money. Someone did eventually collect, but
it took a while.


--
Bill Mitchell
Dept of Mathematics, The University of Florida
PO Box 118105, Gainesville, FL 32611--8105
mitchell@math.ufl.edu (352) 392-0281 x284
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In article <timmcn-332B8B.20264813042006@news.iphouse.com>,
Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:

In article <1144968337.19610.0@ersa.uk.clara.net>,
"Mr. Slow" <millenniumgold@btinternet.invalid> wrote:

Few people ever read a(n) EULA. If they did, they would never install
any software.

They'd install software released under the GNU GPL, as that preserves
the user's rights.

The GPL isn't an EULA. You don't have to agree to it to merely use
the software, only to redistribute it. As for those other things which
purport to require my agreement to their terms in order to use
software after I have already purchased said software, they're not
worth the paper they aren't printed on.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
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Jone Doe said

Your results won't mean much, since it's self reporting. Ask men
coming out of the bathroom "Did you wash your hands?" and a large
percentage will say yes. Actually observe, and it's something
like 1 in 3, or 33% that do. (Women are better at it).

You know how to tell a Doctor from a Mechanic?

A doctor washes his hands 'after' he takes a piss.

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"Jone Doe" <fake@nowhere.org> wrote in news:uG#i#6zXGHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

Your results won't mean much, since it's self reporting. Ask men
coming out of the bathroom "Did you wash your hands?" and a large
percentage will say yes. Actually observe, and it's something like 1
in 3, or 33% that do. (Women are better at it).

<brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144962164.996334.45910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on
food and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to
seeing more responses to the poll.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

You may find this a bit strange but I wash them BEFORE I wiz! Hands have
all kinds of nasty & disgusting stuff on them. I treat my Mr. Winky
right!
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In article <1144962164.996334.45910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com wrote:

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

You're missing an option:

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never
6. I agree
--
W. Oates
Teal'c: He is concealing something.
O'Neil: Like what?
Teal'c: I am unsure, he is concealing it.
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brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com wrote:

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

Never. EULAs are the biggest scam going. They are miles long, written
in impenetrable legalese, guaranteed to prevent users from reading
more than a paragraph or so. Then they put the "I agree" check box up,
that you have to click in order to proceed with your install. Of
course everybody checks the box, of course nobody reads the EULA.

--
Tim Slattery
MS MVP(DTS)
Slattery_T@bls.gov
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ROTFLMAO!!
So true!

"Warren Oates" <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote in message news:warren.oates- 8081BA.08243514042006@nr-tor01.bellnexxia.net...

You're missing an option:

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never
6. I agree
--
W. Oates
Teal'c: He is concealing something.
O'Neil: Like what?
Teal'c: I am unsure, he is concealing it.

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Actually the question should be, "How frequently do people read ANYTHING completely?"

brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com wrote:

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system
security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to seeing
more responses to the poll.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

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Peg Bundy is on Ghost Whisperer right now.

"Al Bundy" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:Xns97A4F20388842AlBundy@216.196.97.142...

You may find this a bit strange but I wash them BEFORE I wiz! Hands have
all kinds of nasty & disgusting stuff on them. I treat my Mr. Winky
right!

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"Ghostrider" <-00-@fitron.142> wrote in message news:O7Yx%23Q0XGHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com wrote:

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software
that impacts control over the user's experience, privacy and system security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I have a poll on the site that asks "How frequently do you completely
read end-user license agreements?"

1. Always
2. Usually
3. Sometimes
4. Rarely
5. Never

I'd appreciate any feedback others may have and look forward to seeing
more responses to the poll.

Thanks in advance,
Brian

Hardly relevant since one has to acknowledge reading the
EULA, whether or not one has actually done so, by checking
the box in order to proceed with the software installation.
This is significantly more different and legally binding
than just merely ignoring warning labels and signs.

I wonder if Dubai is one of the countries M$ products are not allowed to go to.


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In article <1144962164.996334.45910@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
brian_erdelyi@yahoo.com wrote:

I am creating a guideline to assist vendors in notifying consumers
about software that impacts control over the user's experience,
privacy and system security.

The site is http://www.clearware.org

The idea is similar to care labels on clothing, nutrition facts on food
and warning labels on hazardous chemicals.

I think it needs subcategories for some of them. For example, consider displaying advertising. I can think of at least three different kinds,
that should probably not all be treated the same:

1. Advertises another version of the same product. E.g., the way the
free Quicktime advertises Quicktime Pro, or the way a free antivirus
scanner might advertise the for-pay version.

2. Advertises related software. For example, a program that is part of
a suite or collection might advertise the rest of the suite or
collection.

3. Advertises third-party products.

The collecting information labels probably could use subcategorizing
based on how the information will be used. For example, an antivirus
company collecting information on installed applications in order to
figure out how to provide a custom cure for a pesky infection is quite different from an advertising company collection information on
installed applications in order to figure out what mailing lists to sell
your email address to.


--
--Tim Smith
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