• First Mac with auto-switching Ethernet?

    From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 23:56:36
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    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a
    cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?

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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 19:10:25
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    In article <slrns11b1k.23vb.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?

    pretty sure it was the original ibook, aka toilet seat.
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  • From Alan Baker@notonyourlife@no.no.no.no to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 16:21:09
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    On 2021-01-26 3:56 p.m., Lewis wrote:
    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?


    Wow... ...it's been a very long time.

    The earliest reference I can find for an auto-switching Mac is from 2002.
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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 19:36:38
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    In article <260120211910255504%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?

    pretty sure it was the original ibook, aka toilet seat.

    almost. the white ibooks did, not the original ibooks, however, it
    looks like the powermac g4 gigabit was first.

    <https://web.archive.org/web/20060419212101/http://docs.info.apple.com/a rticle.html?artnum=42717>
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  • From Alan Baker@notonyourlife@no.no.no.no to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 16:45:25
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    On 2021-01-26 4:36 p.m., nospam wrote:
    In article <260120211910255504%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a
    cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?

    pretty sure it was the original ibook, aka toilet seat.

    almost. the white ibooks did, not the original ibooks, however, it
    looks like the powermac g4 gigabit was first.

    <https://web.archive.org/web/20060419212101/http://docs.info.apple.com/a rticle.html?artnum=42717>


    Well done!

    I tried to find that but gave up.

    :-)
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 01:55:24
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    In message <260120211936389883%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <260120211910255504%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a
    cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?

    pretty sure it was the original ibook, aka toilet seat.

    almost. the white ibooks did, not the original ibooks, however, it
    looks like the powermac g4 gigabit was first.

    <https://web.archive.org/web/20060419212101/http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=42717>

    thanks for finding that, I THOUGHT my Power Mac G4 gigabit had it, but
    could not find the information.


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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 01:56:52
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    In message <slrns11b1k.23vb.g.kreme@m1mini.local> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?

    The reason I ask is that I've been hearing people claim the first device
    was the Xbox, but I was pretty sure that was wrong. See thread from
    previous message for the correct answer.

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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 15:55:20
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    On 2021-01-27 00:21:09 +0000, Alan Baker said:
    On 2021-01-26 3:56 p.m., Lewis wrote:
    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a
    cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?


    Wow... ...it's been a very long time.

    The earliest reference I can find for an auto-switching Mac is from 2002.

    "2002" ... "very long time"?!?

    Geez, youngsters today. It's not even 20 years ago.

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  • From Alan Baker@notonyourlife@no.no.no.no to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 18:59:30
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    On 2021-01-26 6:55 p.m., Your Name wrote:
    On 2021-01-27 00:21:09 +0000, Alan Baker said:
    On 2021-01-26 3:56 p.m., Lewis wrote:
    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a
    cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?


    Wow... ...it's been a very long time.

    The earliest reference I can find for an auto-switching Mac is from 2002.

    "2002" ... "very long time"?!?

    Geez, youngsters today. It's not even 20 years ago.


    How old are you, for me, that's very nearly a third of my life.
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 17:23:41
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    On 2021-01-27 02:59:30 +0000, Alan Baker said:
    On 2021-01-26 6:55 p.m., Your Name wrote:
    On 2021-01-27 00:21:09 +0000, Alan Baker said:
    On 2021-01-26 3:56 p.m., Lewis wrote:
    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a
    cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?

    Wow... ...it's been a very long time.

    The earliest reference I can find for an auto-switching Mac is from 2002. >>
    "2002" ... "very long time"?!?

    Geez, youngsters today. It's not even 20 years ago.

    How old are you, for me, that's very nearly a third of my life.

    My car is older than that - it's a 1994 model (so likely made in 1993),
    which I got in 1998. :-)


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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 04:33:20
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    In message <ruqkmm$1auf$1@gioia.aioe.org> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2021-01-27 00:21:09 +0000, Alan Baker said:
    On 2021-01-26 3:56 p.m., Lewis wrote:
    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a
    cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?


    Wow... ...it's been a very long time.

    The earliest reference I can find for an auto-switching Mac is from 2002.

    "2002" ... "very long time"?!?

    In terms of Ethernet on desktop computers, yes.

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  • From Alan Browne@bitbucket@blackhole.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, January 27, 2021 18:22:01
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    On 2021-01-26 23:33, Lewis wrote:
    In message <ruqkmm$1auf$1@gioia.aioe.org> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2021-01-27 00:21:09 +0000, Alan Baker said:
    On 2021-01-26 3:56 p.m., Lewis wrote:
    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a
    cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?


    Wow... ...it's been a very long time.

    The earliest reference I can find for an auto-switching Mac is from 2002.

    "2002" ... "very long time"?!?

    In terms of Ethernet on desktop computers, yes.

    At our new company (avionics, ca. 2000) where we were using Ethernet for
    non critical portions of systems (diagnostic, test, etc.) there were
    often heated arguments over the "theft" of crossover cables.

    Tech's would duck for cover when engineers and marketers and techreps
    would come looking for a crossover ... if one couldn't be found the poor
    tech would have to make yet another one ... a lowly, time wasting task
    they all hated... (well, the tech reps could be counted on to make them
    too, but they were usually found guilty of theft and hoarding in the
    first place...).

    Colour tape was added to the cables to indicate which lab or group owned
    a particular cable. But such could be easily swapped...

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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, January 28, 2021 00:57:05
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    In message <uAmQH.3$pi1.2@fx04.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2021-01-26 23:33, Lewis wrote:
    In message <ruqkmm$1auf$1@gioia.aioe.org> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2021-01-27 00:21:09 +0000, Alan Baker said:
    On 2021-01-26 3:56 p.m., Lewis wrote:
    What was the first Mac to have an Ethernet port that did not need a
    cross-over cable to direct connect to another computer?


    Wow... ...it's been a very long time.

    The earliest reference I can find for an auto-switching Mac is from 2002. >>
    "2002" ... "very long time"?!?

    In terms of Ethernet on desktop computers, yes.

    At our new company (avionics, ca. 2000) where we were using Ethernet for
    non critical portions of systems (diagnostic, test, etc.) there were
    often heated arguments over the "theft" of crossover cables.

    Tech's would duck for cover when engineers and marketers and techreps
    would come looking for a crossover ... if one couldn't be found the poor tech would have to make yet another one ... a lowly, time wasting task
    they all hated... (well, the tech reps could be counted on to make them
    too, but they were usually found guilty of theft and hoarding in the
    first place...).

    Colour tape was added to the cables to indicate which lab or group owned
    a particular cable. But such could be easily swapped...

    There was a period of time where yellow cables were cross-over cables ad
    any other color were not.

    This was confusing when I got my first DSL modem in 1997 and it had a
    yellow cable and I was very confused why it would be a crossover cable.

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  • From Alan Browne@bitbucket@blackhole.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, January 29, 2021 17:08:52
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    On 2021-01-27 19:57, Lewis wrote:
    In message <uAmQH.3$pi1.2@fx04.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    At our new company (avionics, ca. 2000) where we were using Ethernet for
    non critical portions of systems (diagnostic, test, etc.) there were
    often heated arguments over the "theft" of crossover cables.

    Tech's would duck for cover when engineers and marketers and techreps
    would come looking for a crossover ... if one couldn't be found the poor
    tech would have to make yet another one ... a lowly, time wasting task
    they all hated... (well, the tech reps could be counted on to make them
    too, but they were usually found guilty of theft and hoarding in the
    first place...).

    Colour tape was added to the cables to indicate which lab or group owned
    a particular cable. But such could be easily swapped...

    There was a period of time where yellow cables were cross-over cables ad
    any other color were not.

    This was confusing when I got my first DSL modem in 1997 and it had a
    yellow cable and I was very confused why it would be a crossover cable.

    But actually wasn't? Or didn't matter...

    In a dev. lab where arbitrary lengths were requested, it was all blue
    off the reel and cut within a few cm of the request.

    Don't recall when the components we used became audo-sense/config. On a
    newer product in about 2005 it was all auto. Probably couldn't locate components that weren't.

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    man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
    -Samuel Clemens
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, January 29, 2021 22:29:15
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    In message <UH%QH.5629$r17.2137@fx02.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2021-01-27 19:57, Lewis wrote:
    In message <uAmQH.3$pi1.2@fx04.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    At our new company (avionics, ca. 2000) where we were using Ethernet for >>> non critical portions of systems (diagnostic, test, etc.) there were
    often heated arguments over the "theft" of crossover cables.

    Tech's would duck for cover when engineers and marketers and techreps
    would come looking for a crossover ... if one couldn't be found the poor >>> tech would have to make yet another one ... a lowly, time wasting task
    they all hated... (well, the tech reps could be counted on to make them
    too, but they were usually found guilty of theft and hoarding in the
    first place...).

    Colour tape was added to the cables to indicate which lab or group owned >>> a particular cable. But such could be easily swapped...

    There was a period of time where yellow cables were cross-over cables ad
    any other color were not.

    This was confusing when I got my first DSL modem in 1997 and it had a
    yellow cable and I was very confused why it would be a crossover cable.

    But actually wasn't?

    Right.

    Or didn't matter...

    Oh, it mattered very much.

    In a dev. lab where arbitrary lengths were requested, it was all blue
    off the reel and cut within a few cm of the request.

    Don't recall when the components we used became audo-sense/config. On a newer product in about 2005 it was all auto. Probably couldn't locate components that weren't.

    The only "components" that are auto-switch are the ports. It has nothing
    to do with the cables or plugs.


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  • From Alan Browne@bitbucket@blackhole.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, January 30, 2021 10:19:29
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    On 2021-01-29 17:29, Lewis wrote:
    In message <UH%QH.5629$r17.2137@fx02.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

    Don't recall when the components we used became audo-sense/config. On a
    newer product in about 2005 it was all auto. Probably couldn't locate
    components that weren't.

    The only "components" that are auto-switch are the ports. It has nothing
    to do with the cables or plugs.

    Never said it was. By components I mean the Ethernet transceivers.
    Which in our case were usually custom chips with many I/O devices on
    them incl. Ethernet.

    --
    "...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
    man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
    -Samuel Clemens
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