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I just received a harsh lesson in DRM and record label-driven policy
that
may be of interest to those on your lists who are Apple customers and
may
be leaving the United States in the future. Having purchased a number of
songs from the Apple Music Store while in the US and using a US funds
credit card, I regrettably didn't read the fine print. I've now
discovered
that if you leave the country, your songs may just disappear, as mine
have.

I've recently moved to Canada and just this week had a problem with my PowerBook that called for me undertaking a reinstall. After firing up
iTunes and attempting to play purchased songs, I was asked to
reauthorize
those songs, using the Apple ID associated with the purchase. No
problem, I
thought. This is the Apple Music Store, not PressPlay or MusicNet. I
paid
for these songs and they're mine. Silly me. Apparently, if you change
your
contact address and/or have your US credit card address changed, as I
did,
you are no longer able to play the songs you paid for while on US soil.

After going back and forth with AMS customer support, they pointed me to
the terms of sale policy, and there it is in the very first paragraph: <http://www.info.apple.com/usen/musicstore/policies.html>

So, shame on me for not reading the fine print. But if you're spending
money with Apple and plan a departure from the States any time soon,
your
money would be better spent on little round platters.
<end quote>
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FLIP and the other hateful spiteful maccies are going to rip you a new ahole for this post after they get through spinning how's it ur fault!

"no" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:no-7CBD85.14492325072003@newssvr24-ext.news.prodigy.com...

<begin quote>
I just received a harsh lesson in DRM and record label-driven policy
that
may be of interest to those on your lists who are Apple customers and
may
be leaving the United States in the future. Having purchased a number of songs from the Apple Music Store while in the US and using a US funds
credit card, I regrettably didn't read the fine print. I've now
discovered
that if you leave the country, your songs may just disappear, as mine
have.

I've recently moved to Canada and just this week had a problem with my PowerBook that called for me undertaking a reinstall. After firing up
iTunes and attempting to play purchased songs, I was asked to
reauthorize
those songs, using the Apple ID associated with the purchase. No
problem, I
thought. This is the Apple Music Store, not PressPlay or MusicNet. I
paid
for these songs and they're mine. Silly me. Apparently, if you change
your
contact address and/or have your US credit card address changed, as I
did,
you are no longer able to play the songs you paid for while on US soil.

After going back and forth with AMS customer support, they pointed me to
the terms of sale policy, and there it is in the very first paragraph: <http://www.info.apple.com/usen/musicstore/policies.html>

So, shame on me for not reading the fine print. But if you're spending
money with Apple and plan a departure from the States any time soon,
your
money would be better spent on little round platters.
<end quote>

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In article <no-7CBD85.14492325072003@newssvr24-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
no <no@no.com> wrote:

I've recently moved to Canada and just this week had a problem with my >PowerBook that called for me undertaking a reinstall. After firing up
iTunes and attempting to play purchased songs, I was asked to
reauthorize
those songs, using the Apple ID associated with the purchase. No
problem, I
thought. This is the Apple Music Store, not PressPlay or MusicNet. I
paid
for these songs and they're mine. Silly me. Apparently, if you change
your
contact address and/or have your US credit card address changed, as I
did,
you are no longer able to play the songs you paid for while on US soil.

Were you able to play the songs in Canada before you did the reinstall?

After going back and forth with AMS customer support, they pointed me to
the terms of sale policy, and there it is in the very first paragraph: ><http://www.info.apple.com/usen/musicstore/policies.html>

So, shame on me for not reading the fine print. But if you're spending
money with Apple and plan a departure from the States any time soon,
your
money would be better spent on little round platters.

Maybe you should burn the songs onto little round platters before moving
out of the country.

----
John S. Heaney
voice & fax (401) 438-4288
I don't train in Aikido to protect myself from the world, but to protect the world from me.
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Once the Apple Music Store goes international, you should be able to re-download all your tunes. It does suck, and I feel your pain. I'm living
in Japan, and would have the same problem if I did a software reinstall.
I'll make CDs today. I believe it's taking time to go international because
of differences in international copyright law. I don't think this is
Apple's fault. If they could go international right now and make more money they probably would. Apple is a business and they'll go where ever the
markets are. They'll be in Canada, and Japan soon enough.

Now if they could bring iTunes and the music store to all those Cell phones
in Japan, they would make a huge fortune. $$$ Forget Windows iTunes - get
to work on Cell phone iTunes.

Brian Moore



On 7/26/03 9:48 AM, in article 0001HW.BB47481D00025BD1F0305600@news-server.tampabay.rr.com, "J" <webstuff@fluidic.com> wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:57:45 -0400, no wrote
(in message <no-7CBD85.14492325072003@newssvr24-ext.news.prodigy.com>):

OK, so change you address to a US address. Get credit card with a US address.How hard is that? Yes it sucks, but is easily fixed.

And I believe the songs don't disappear. They are just not authorized to play on your mac anymore. The files are still there.

I would find a friend or rent a small pobox to get a US address. They make the rules, you are just playing by them :)

J

<begin quote>
Having purchased a number of
songs from the Apple Music Store while in the US and using a US funds
credit card, I regrettably didn't read the fine print. I've now
discovered
that if you leave the country, your songs may just disappear, as mine
have.

I've recently moved to Canada and just this week had a problem with my
PowerBook that called for me undertaking a reinstall. After firing up
iTunes and attempting to play purchased songs, I was asked to
reauthorize
those songs, using the Apple ID associated with the purchase. No
problem, I
thought. This is the Apple Music Store, not PressPlay or MusicNet. I
paid
for these songs and they're mine. Silly me. Apparently, if you change
your
contact address and/or have your US credit card address changed, as I
did,
you are no longer able to play the songs you paid for while on US soil.

Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive.

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In article <no-7CBD85.14492325072003@newssvr24-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
no <no@no.com> wrote:

<begin quote>
I just received a harsh lesson in DRM and record label-driven policy
that
may be of interest to those on your lists who are Apple customers and
may
be leaving the United States in the future. Having purchased a number of songs from the Apple Music Store while in the US and using a US funds
credit card, I regrettably didn't read the fine print. I've now
discovered
that if you leave the country, your songs may just disappear, as mine
have.
...
<end quote>

To the group: Note that the person posting this has reproduced it, unattributed, from a letter to Macintouch. He/she is not describing
his/her own experience, so advice is not necessarily useful.

To the poster: What about this says that BuyMusic _doesn't_ suck? Two
things may both be imperfect. And in this case they are. On the other
hand, BuyMusic on average costs more than iTMS, has bizarre licensing,
and you can't transfer the music to an iPod (which, IIRC, is a fairly
large chunk of the portable MP3 player base). So for a Mac user, iTMS
sucks much less. I suspect that when iTunes for Windows ships (this
calendar year if it stays on track) it will suck less for Windows users,
too.

General: Know what annoys me? Both of them disallow simple browsing of
the catalog from unsupported platforms.
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In article <no-7CBD85.14492325072003@newssvr24-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
no <no@no.com> wrote:

<begin quote>
I just received a harsh lesson in DRM and record label-driven policy
that
may be of interest to those on your lists who are Apple customers and
may
be leaving the United States in the future. Having purchased a number of songs from the Apple Music Store while in the US and using a US funds
credit card, I regrettably didn't read the fine print. I've now
discovered
that if you leave the country, your songs may just disappear, as mine
have.

I've recently moved to Canada and just this week had a problem with my PowerBook that called for me undertaking a reinstall. After firing up
iTunes and attempting to play purchased songs, I was asked to
reauthorize
those songs, using the Apple ID associated with the purchase. No
problem, I
thought. This is the Apple Music Store, not PressPlay or MusicNet. I
paid
for these songs and they're mine. Silly me. Apparently, if you change
your
contact address and/or have your US credit card address changed, as I
did,
you are no longer able to play the songs you paid for while on US soil.

After going back and forth with AMS customer support, they pointed me to
the terms of sale policy, and there it is in the very first paragraph: <http://www.info.apple.com/usen/musicstore/policies.html>

So, shame on me for not reading the fine print. But if you're spending
money with Apple and plan a departure from the States any time soon,
your
money would be better spent on little round platters.
<end quote>

Shame on you for not putting them on a CD.
--
Arch
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In article <BB481E78.1070%bkmoore@rapid.ocn.ne.jp>,
Brian Moore <bkmoore@rapid.ocn.ne.jp> wrote:

Once the Apple Music Store goes international, you should be able to re-download all your tunes. It does suck, and I feel your pain. I'm living in Japan, and would have the same problem if I did a software reinstall.
I'll make CDs today. I believe it's taking time to go international because of differences in international copyright law. I don't think this is
Apple's fault. If they could go international right now and make more money they probably would. Apple is a business and they'll go where ever the markets are. They'll be in Canada, and Japan soon enough.

Now if they could bring iTunes and the music store to all those Cell phones in Japan, they would make a huge fortune. $$$ Forget Windows iTunes - get to work on Cell phone iTunes.

Brian Moore

On 7/26/03 9:48 AM, in article 0001HW.BB47481D00025BD1F0305600@news-server.tampabay.rr.com, "J" <webstuff@fluidic.com> wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:57:45 -0400, no wrote
(in message <no-7CBD85.14492325072003@newssvr24-ext.news.prodigy.com>):

OK, so change you address to a US address. Get credit card with a US address.How hard is that? Yes it sucks, but is easily fixed.

And I believe the songs don't disappear. They are just not authorized to play on your mac anymore. The files are still there.

I would find a friend or rent a small pobox to get a US address. They make the rules, you are just playing by them :)

J

<begin quote>
Having purchased a number of
songs from the Apple Music Store while in the US and using a US funds
credit card, I regrettably didn't read the fine print. I've now
discovered
that if you leave the country, your songs may just disappear, as mine
have.

I've recently moved to Canada and just this week had a problem with my
PowerBook that called for me undertaking a reinstall. After firing up
iTunes and attempting to play purchased songs, I was asked to
reauthorize
those songs, using the Apple ID associated with the purchase. No
problem, I
thought. This is the Apple Music Store, not PressPlay or MusicNet. I
paid
for these songs and they're mine. Silly me. Apparently, if you change
your
contact address and/or have your US credit card address changed, as I
did,
you are no longer able to play the songs you paid for while on US soil.

Sent using the Entourage X Test Drive.

This story got all blown out of proportion by Mac and PC news sites.
MacNN, especially, should be ashamed of itself.

You CAN play your songs outside of the United States!

Your songs ARE NOT deleted when you leave the country!

You CAN re-authorize your songs after a re-install!

You CAN EVEN BUY songs outside the U.S. IF you use a credit card that
has a U.S. billing address!

Now read the retraction of the person who orginally reported that his
songs disappeared. First, he was given bogus information by an
uninformed iTMS employee. Second, the glitch that prevented him from re-authorizing his songs was taken care of by Apple once they found out
about it.

Read the goddamn blog...

http://algorhythm.org/archives/2003/07/25/apple_drm_and_me.html
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