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Hello all,

The only application that I still need on a windows platform is the application that comes with my banking account. It uses a modem on a
phone line as my bank won't support internet connection.

This banking software was the sole reason for me to install bootcamp
and winXp on my iMac. It was also the only reason why I decided to buy
an USB modem. My old modem has a RS 232 serial connector and can't be
used on my iMac. The RS 232 connector itself is bigger than the
complete new USB modem which is, I admit, very sexy.

I cannot get the modem to work in winXp. Apple website says that the
USB modem is not supported on the win platform.

Any suggestions?

tia, and kind regards,

Hans

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In article <44434a02$0$11611$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

I cannot get the modem to work in winXp. Apple website says that the
USB modem is not supported on the win platform.

Any suggestions?

Patience? The whole Apple-Windows thing is only a couple of weeks old.
Let it breathe first ;-) BTW, patience may or may not work.

leo

--
<http://web0.greatbasin.net/~leo/>
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Hans wrote:

Hello all,

The only application that I still need on a windows platform is the application that comes with my banking account. It uses a modem on a
phone line as my bank won't support internet connection.

This banking software was the sole reason for me to install bootcamp
and winXp on my iMac. It was also the only reason why I decided to buy
an USB modem. My old modem has a RS 232 serial connector and can't be
used on my iMac. The RS 232 connector itself is bigger than the
complete new USB modem which is, I admit, very sexy.

I cannot get the modem to work in winXp. Apple website says that the
USB modem is not supported on the win platform.

Any suggestions?

If you can't wait to see how the patience suggestion plays out, which is
where I'd start personally, you might invest in a USB modem just for the windows side of things. I know it might seem like a bit of a shame to spend money when you probably don't need to but it isn't that expensive, and it is
a quick score.

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=18268151317&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=91758

I'm posting the ebuyer UK shop prices because, well, I live in the UK. That should still give you an idea of price and availability.


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On 2006-04-17 10:43:45 +0200, Leonard Blaisdell <leo@greatbasin.com> said:

In article <44434a02$0$11611$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

I cannot get the modem to work in winXp. Apple website says that the
USB modem is not supported on the win platform.

Any suggestions?

Patience? The whole Apple-Windows thing is only a couple of weeks old.
Let it breathe first ;-) BTW, patience may or may not work.

leo

Thank you for your kind response.

As a matter of fact I was not being impatient at all as I did not
realize the modem I bought was only released several weeks ago. I just happened to see it in the shop and I bought it, thinking it would help
me out.

I'm sure that Apple would sell lots of this modem if they'd develop
windows and linux drivers for it.

Hans

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Hans wrote:

Thank you for your kind response.

As a matter of fact I was not being impatient at all as I did not
realize the modem I bought was only released several weeks ago. I just happened to see it in the shop and I bought it, thinking it would help
me out.

I'm sure that Apple would sell lots of this modem if they'd develop
windows and linux drivers for it.

It's possible, indeed likely, that they're just rebadging someone else's
modem chipset and there are generic drivers out there that would work, if
you knew what chipset that was.


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In article <4443854f$0$3319$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

Patience? The whole Apple-Windows thing is only a couple of weeks
old. Let it breathe first ;-) BTW, patience may or may not work.

leo

Thank you for your kind response.

As a matter of fact I was not being impatient at all as I did not
realize the modem I bought was only released several weeks ago. I
just happened to see it in the shop and I bought it, thinking it
would help me out.

It's not that the modem was released only several weeks ago, it's that
Boot Strap was released just a couple of weeks ago. The modem was
released last Fall.

--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
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In article <OeN0g.38078$8o.17410@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm sure that Apple would sell lots of this modem if they'd develop
windows and linux drivers for it.

It's possible, indeed likely, that they're just rebadging someone else's modem chipset and there are generic drivers out there that would work, if you knew what chipset that was.

There's no chipset for the Apple USB modem. Inside is just a telephone
line interface, a chip or two for data buffer, and stuff for USB
interface. The device is a softmodem. Any Windows generic driver you
find will have to understand that the modem is on the USB bus.
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On 2006-04-19 07:58:38 +0200, Nick <nick@nospam.com> said:

In article <OeN0g.38078$8o.17410@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm sure that Apple would sell lots of this modem if they'd develop
windows and linux drivers for it.

It's possible, indeed likely, that they're just rebadging someone
else's modem chipset and there are generic drivers out there that would
work, if you knew what chipset that was.

There's no chipset for the Apple USB modem. Inside is just a telephone
line interface, a chip or two for data buffer, and stuff for USB
interface. The device is a softmodem. Any Windows generic driver you
find will have to understand that the modem is on the USB bus.

Thanks so far. I've tried all predefined universal drivers in winXP as
well as several softmodem drivers available on the net including driverguide.com but no result.

I have many solutions for my actual problem which is connect to my bank account. One solution is to keep that ugly windows machine on my desk.
Another solution is switch bank or buy a windows usb modem. Those
options although practical are not what I want.

Strange that Apple gives all it's hardware away to the windows
environment with bootcamp but forgets the modem. Strange in also in the
view that they might have a top selling product here for so many
windows users if they'd only provide the tools to get it to work on
windows. Imagine an Ipod without any windows support. Apple would sell
less than 10 % of their volume I'm sure.

Hans

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In article <4446aaa4$0$26913$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

Strange that Apple gives all it's hardware away to the windows
environment with bootcamp but forgets the modem.

What is your understanding of the word "beta" as it applies to software?

And it's "its", not "it's" in the context you use the word.

"Its" is the possessive, "it's" is the contraction of "it is".

(Hi, John!)
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On 2006-04-20 01:09:32 +0200, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:

In article <4446aaa4$0$26913$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

Strange that Apple gives all it's hardware away to the windows
environment with bootcamp but forgets the modem.

What is your understanding of the word "beta" as it applies to software?

And it's "its", not "it's" in the context you use the word.
"Its" is the possessive, "it's" is the contraction of "it is".

(Hi, John!)

Dank je vriendelijk John voor je buitengewoon instructieve taalkundige opmerking. Je hebt uiteraard helemaal gelijk. Ik zal er voortaan beter
op letten.

Translated:

Thank you so much John for your kind corrective linguistic
contribution. You are of course completely right in this matter. I will
take better care in the future.

In addition to the above I would like to make a few statements.

1.
I have the feeling that you are not really interested in my perception
of the beta aspect of new software. Your comment is not only completely non-informative, in attribution to that your question and all the
possible answers to your question can only lead to a dead end as it is absolutely unimportant to anyone what my understanding of the word
"beta" could be.

2.
The fact that you are right about my grammatical misstake, more
precisely an incorrect spelling of the genitivus (latin) of the word
"it" , which could but not necessarily does implicate that I don't know
the difference between the possessive "its" and the contraction of the
words "it is", does not automatically imply that you taught me
something new.

3.
Apart from leading us far off topic you are in a way kind of impolite
to me with your criticism. As a matter of fact I am not a native
english speaker. I have to translate every word and every sentence
before I post something to this group.

Be so kind to address me in my language, which is dutch, when you feel
the need to correct me ever again when I make a forgivable mistake in
your language. That would be brave.

If you'd like to correspond with me in french, german or frysian that
would be fine for me too. But as far as you showed the world up to now
the only language in which you beat me is bullshit.

Hans.

Post scriptum: if you feel the need to flame me, please change my email address to the most obvious. The extension that my email address should
have is pronounced the same as what is stated in my post. In case you
would like to tackle me for the way I misspelled the extension of my
email address that would at forehand be considered as a testimonium paupertatis, a testimony of poverty (of the mind and soul).

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On 2006-04-20 22:13:36 +0200, Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> said:

On 2006-04-20 01:09:32 +0200, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:

In article <4446aaa4$0$26913$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, Hans
<hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

Strange that Apple gives all it's hardware away to the windows
environment with bootcamp but forgets the modem.

What is your understanding of the word "beta" as it applies to software?

And it's "its", not "it's" in the context you use the word.
"Its" is the possessive, "it's" is the contraction of "it is".

(Hi, John!)

Dank je vriendelijk John (correctie: Dave) voor je buitengewoon
instructieve taalkundige opmerking. Je hebt uiteraard helemaal gelijk.
Ik zal er voortaan beter op letten.

Translated:

Thank you so much John (correction: Dave) for your kind corrective linguistic contribution. You are of course completely right in this
matter. I will take better care in the future.

Sorry for addressing John in my previous post where I intended to
address mr Dave Balderstone.

Hans

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In article <4447eb68$0$9110$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

I have the feeling that you are not really interested in my perception
of the beta aspect of new software.

You made comments based on (in my opinion) unjustified assumptions
about or a misunderstanding of Beta software. I would like to
understand your comprehension of that term.

Do you understand Beta software to be complete in its feature set (ie
"Strange that Apple gives all it's hardware away to the windows
environment with bootcamp but forgets the modem").

Have you looked at the Apple pages about BootCamp, especially where it
says "Mac hardware operates differently from PCs, and this public beta
does not support all features of the Mac in Windows" and "Even after
installing the Macintosh Drivers CD, the Apple Remote Control (IR),
Apple Wireless (Bluetooth) keyboard or mouse, Apple USB Modem, MacBook
Pro's sudden motion sensor, MacBook Pro's ambient light sensor, and
built-in iSight camera will not function correctly when running
Windows."?

In the context of BootCamp being Beta software, what do those sentences
suggest to you?
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Hans wrote:

On 2006-04-20 22:13:36 +0200, Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> said:

On 2006-04-20 01:09:32 +0200, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:

In article <4446aaa4$0$26913$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, Hans
<hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

Strange that Apple gives all it's hardware away to the windows
environment with bootcamp but forgets the modem.

What is your understanding of the word "beta" as it applies to software? >>>
And it's "its", not "it's" in the context you use the word.
"Its" is the possessive, "it's" is the contraction of "it is".

(Hi, John!)

Dank je vriendelijk John (correctie: Dave) voor je buitengewoon
instructieve taalkundige opmerking. Je hebt uiteraard helemaal gelijk.
Ik zal er voortaan beter op letten.

Translated:

Thank you so much John (correction: Dave) for your kind corrective
linguistic contribution. You are of course completely right in this
matter. I will take better care in the future.

Sorry for addressing John in my previous post where I intended to
address mr Dave Balderstone.

No offense taken, and I deserve a tad of deflection as I had taken Dave
to task recently.

But: your handling of our language is considerably better than many
native English speakers in several countries.

And: The thing I remember from grammar school is to sound out "it's",
and that unfailingly tells me whether I'm using the contraction
correctly, or whether the possessive is indeed called for. I also
remember " All right is all wrong unless it's two words." (!) I could go
on, but won't.

I try to never spel or grammer lame a person unless he/she/it "starts
it". I try also to not become a "Dutch Uncle" ! (is there an equivalent
in your language? Here, it means a strict uncle, or uncle-like figure....)

--
John McWilliams

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On 2006-04-20 22:42:56 +0200, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:

In article <4447eb68$0$9110$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

I have the feeling that you are not really interested in my perception
of the beta aspect of new software.

You made comments based on (in my opinion) unjustified assumptions
about or a misunderstanding of Beta software. I would like to
understand your comprehension of that term.

Do you understand Beta software to be complete in its feature set (ie "Strange that Apple gives all it's hardware away to the windows
environment with bootcamp but forgets the modem").

Have you looked at the Apple pages about BootCamp, especially where it
says "Mac hardware operates differently from PCs, and this public beta
does not support all features of the Mac in Windows" and "Even after installing the Macintosh Drivers CD, the Apple Remote Control (IR),
Apple Wireless (Bluetooth) keyboard or mouse, Apple USB Modem, MacBook
Pro's sudden motion sensor, MacBook Pro's ambient light sensor, and
built-in iSight camera will not function correctly when running
Windows."?

In the context of BootCamp being Beta software, what do those sentences suggest to you?

There's no difference between our mutual assumptions about beta
software in fact.

What happened is a miscommunication between us (handshake protocol ?)
in a semantic discussion. The language barrier may have contributed to
that.

Bootcamp is a strange thing. It is a tempting project. It might be
interpreted as a subtle way of demonstrating Apple's strength compared
to the other platforms. We all can read the specialists about this
topic. Perhaps bootcamp will carry the beta status forever just for
mere political/economical/strategical reasons.

What I wanted to share here are two things:
1. how to get that apple usb modem to connect to windows. That's my
personal interest, nothing more, nothing less.
2. economic view: strange that apple presumably does not see the
selling potential of that sexy little hardware item that could easily
be sold to users of other platforms if only apple would offer minimal
support to get that modem to work in different platforms. The modem I
use now weighs a pound. It needs external power supply and a serial 232
cable to connect. The apple modem is as little as my pinky finger. It
is frustrating for me to have bought a potentially superb modem which I
cannot use because there's no support provided for it where I assumed
it would be natural to find support. Apple could sell shiploads of this
item only if it would connect to the rest of the world.

The issues you focus are of a different species. You seem to explain
why apple calls its (!) bootcamp project to be beta. To me it seems
Apple does the right thing in promoting BootCamp in a rather defensive
way for several reasons but this matter is really distinct from the
question why apple doesn't provide support to a potentially best
selling platform independent hardware item.

Hans

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In article <4447fe39$0$28959$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

The issues you focus are of a different species. You seem to explain
why apple calls its (!) bootcamp project to be beta. To me it seems
Apple does the right thing in promoting BootCamp in a rather defensive
way for several reasons but this matter is really distinct from the
question why apple doesn't provide support to a potentially best
selling platform independent hardware item.

No, my point is that Apple explicitly says the USB modem will not work
under the *current BETA version* of the software. You seem to be
extending that to an assumption that Apple *never* intends to support
the USB modem.

That is a logically untenable position to hold, unless you have deep
inside knowlledge of Apple's development and marketing plans, or unless
you do not understand the concept of *beta software*.
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On 2006-04-20 23:21:53 +0200, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> said:

I try to never spel or grammer lame a person unless he/she/it "starts
it". I try also to not become a "Dutch Uncle" ! (is there an equivalent
in your language? Here, it means a strict uncle, or uncle-like
figure....)

The uncle is a great metaphore which has historical fundaments in my
language too.
If we try hard enough and if our efforts are recognised and followed by
the mass... we could maybe manage to introduce an " American aunt" in
the dutch vocabulary as an equivalent to the "Dutch uncle" in the
american vocabulary.

Presumed that bets are allowed in this forum I'd rather put my money on
Apple releasing a driver for its modem than on us reshaping the
vocabulary of our native languages.

Regards,

Hans (dutch unrestricted uncle for ages already)

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Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

Do you understand Beta software to be complete in its feature set...

This is just an aside, but, say, wasn't there a time when beta software
was defined as being complete in its feature set but not yet ready for
prime time? Seriously, I swear a remember a time, not all that many
years ago, when _alpha_ meant the feature set was incomplete.

--
Mike Rosenberg
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Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

2. economic view: strange that apple presumably does not see the
selling potential of that sexy little hardware item that could easily
be sold to users of other platforms if only apple would offer minimal
support to get that modem to work in different platforms.

Again, you've completely missed the point: BootCamp is not yet a
finished product! It's a beta version of a program Apple was originally planning to release with OS X 10.5, which is not due out until some time
next year, if I recall correctly. I'd be utterly shocked if it doesn't
support Apple's USB modem by then. Right now, though, consider it a
favor by Apple to let early adopters test this unfinished product.

--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida <http://www.cafepress.com/macconsult,macconsult4> Mac-themed T-shirts <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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In article <1he3xah.m5n40woexjxaN%mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid>, Mike
Rosenberg <mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid> wrote:

This is just an aside, but, say, wasn't there a time when beta software
was defined as being complete in its feature set but not yet ready for
prime time?

No, that was "version 2" software.

;-)
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On 2006-04-20 23:46:44 +0200, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> said:

In article <4447fe39$0$28959$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, Hans <hansepie@hotmale.com> wrote:

The issues you focus are of a different species. You seem to explain
why apple calls its (!) bootcamp project to be beta. To me it seems
Apple does the right thing in promoting BootCamp in a rather defensive
way for several reasons but this matter is really distinct from the
question why apple doesn't provide support to a potentially best
selling platform independent hardware item.

No, my point is that Apple explicitly says the USB modem will not work
under the *current BETA version* of the software. You seem to be
extending that to an assumption that Apple *never* intends to support
the USB modem.

That is a logically untenable position to hold, unless you have deep
inside knowlledge of Apple's development and marketing plans, or unless
you do not understand the concept of *beta software*.

If I would have deep inside knowlegedge of Aplle's plans I would never
ever have entered this group to gather advice of any kind.

Second I am not a logical genious but no ignorant idiot either. If
Apple won't provide help for the usb modem I pity them for the reasons
I mentioned earlier and I encourage the community to take this as a
challenge. Furthermore I advise you and others not to read beyond the
lines I wrote.

Personally I tend to mitigate problems that come on my way. Some
persons tend to complicate even the most obvious trivialities. Those
are the pityful I pray for every day.

Hans

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Hans wrote:

On 2006-04-20 23:21:53 +0200, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> said:

I try to never spel or grammer lame a person unless he/she/it "starts
it". I try also to not become a "Dutch Uncle" ! (is there an
equivalent in your language? Here, it means a strict uncle, or
uncle-like figure....)

The uncle is a great metaphore which has historical fundaments in my language too.
If we try hard enough and if our efforts are recognised and followed by
the mass... we could maybe manage to introduce an " American aunt" in
the dutch vocabulary as an equivalent to the "Dutch uncle" in the
american vocabulary.

Presumed that bets are allowed in this forum I'd rather put my money on Apple releasing a driver for its modem than on us reshaping the
vocabulary of our native languages.

Regards,

Hans (dutch unrestricted uncle for ages already)

Hah! And I forgot about the o.p. entirely, as I haven't yet installed Parallels, and haven't used a modem in eons.

--
John McWilliams
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