2019 MacBook Pro, 10.15.7, 8/250
Wish I new wont download
Ian
On 2020 Nov 12, , Ian Hartley wrote
(in article <rok8cl$rua$1@dont-email.me>):
Wish I new wont download
Ian
Ditto for me at 1:00 PM Pacific Time on Nov, 12th, but patience is a virtue. I messaged the folks at Hogwasher to see whether the Hog was compatible with Big Sur. They said “so far, so good”, so we will see. I tend to adopt early, and have always experienced so far, so good.
leo
On 2020 Nov 12, , Ian Hartley wrote
(in article <rok8cl$rua$1@dont-email.me>):
Wish I new wont download
Ian
Ditto for me at 1:00 PM Pacific Time on Nov, 12th, but patience is a virtue. I messaged the folks at Hogwasher to see whether the Hog was compatible with Big Sur. They said "so far, so good", so we will see. I tend to adopt
early, and have always experienced so far, so good.
leo
2019 MacBook Pro, 10.15.7, 8/250
It'll be all these fools trying to instantly install Big Sur the
immediate second it is available (most of them simply for bragging
rights) ... yet another good reason to turn off automatic updates. :-\
Nobody with a brain ever installs version .0 of anything anyway. You
should at least wait for version .1 to fix the many bugs that'll turn
up with the first public release.
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
It'll be all these fools trying to instantly install Big Sur the
immediate second it is available (most of them simply for bragging
rights) ... yet another good reason to turn off automatic updates. :-\
Nobody with a brain ever installs version .0 of anything anyway. You
should at least wait for version .1 to fix the many bugs that'll turn
up with the first public release.
Ditto. For me, I just wait until the current installed OS (e.g., Mojave v10.14.6 which got supplemental and Safari v14.0.1 updates today with no problems) is no longer supported. Next year, I'll install Catalina which
is the last version to work in this 2012 13.3" MBP. :( I was surprised
to see High Sierra got an update today. I thought Apple would drop its support after today's Big Sur release.
On 2020-11-13 03:20:54 +0000, Ant said:
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
It'll be all these fools trying to instantly install Big Sur the
immediate second it is available (most of them simply for bragging
rights) ... yet another good reason to turn off automatic updates. :-\
Nobody with a brain ever installs version .0 of anything anyway. You
should at least wait for version .1 to fix the many bugs that'll turn
up with the first public release.
Ditto. For me, I just wait until the current installed OS (e.g., Mojave v10.14.6 which got supplemental and Safari v14.0.1 updates today with no problems) is no longer supported. Next year, I'll install Catalina which
is the last version to work in this 2012 13.3" MBP. :( I was surprised
to see High Sierra got an update today. I thought Apple would drop its support after today's Big Sur release.
I just updated both our machines from the last iteration of 10.14 to 10.15.7, the last iteration of Catalina. I've never waited so long, but
I was reluctant to lose some obscure 32-bit utilities.
I assume I'll have less rationale to avoid Big 11, and will jump on
board at .1 or .2.
I was surprised to see High Sierra got an update today. I thought Apple would drop its support after today's Big Sur release.
Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
It'll be all these fools trying to instantly install Big Sur the
immediate second it is available (most of them simply for bragging
rights) ... yet another good reason to turn off automatic updates. :-\
Nobody with a brain ever installs version .0 of anything anyway. You
should at least wait for version .1 to fix the many bugs that'll turn
up with the first public release.
Ditto. For me, I just wait until the current installed OS (e.g., Mojave v10.14.6 which got supplemental and Safari v14.0.1 updates today with no problems) is no longer supported. Next year, I'll install Catalina which
is the last version to work in this 2012 13.3" MBP. :( I was surprised
to see High Sierra got an update today. I thought Apple would drop its support after today's Big Sur release.
This is the big point here. Lots of 32-bit apps like Office 2011. :(
In message <z-qdnR2gfq6gijPCnZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
This is the big point here. Lots of 32-bit apps like Office 2011. :(
Check your calendar.
On 2020-11-13 2:26 a.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <z-qdnR2gfq6gijPCnZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
This is the big point here. Lots of 32-bit apps like Office 2011. :(
Check your calendar.
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
On 2020-11-13 2:26 a.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <z-qdnR2gfq6gijPCnZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
This is the big point here. Lots of 32-bit apps like Office 2011. :(
Check your calendar.
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
On 2020-11-13 2:26 a.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <z-qdnR2gfq6gijPCnZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
This is the big point here. Lots of 32-bit apps like Office 2011. :(
Check your calendar.
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
Did you use Go64?
<https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
On 2020-11-13 16:01:23 +0000, Alan Baker said:
On 2020-11-13 2:26 a.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <z-qdnR2gfq6gijPCnZ2dnUU7-emdnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
This is the big point here. Lots of 32-bit apps like Office 2011. :(
Check your calendar.
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
I had more than that. I'll miss Sizzling Keys, VideoDrive, Media Rage
and Max the most. I'm delighted to find FileChute, long discontinued
for some other OS related issue, still works for the limited use I make
of it.
On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
Did you use Go64?
<https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
Did you use Go64?
<https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
It's more accurate.
In message <romvqj$ov2$2@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
wrote:
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
Did you use Go64?
<https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
It's more accurate.
On 2020-11-13 4:58 p.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <romvqj$ov2$2@dont-email.me> Neill Massello
<nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
wrote:
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
Did you use Go64?
<https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the
System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
It's more accurate.
Why do you believe it's more accurate?
What I can tell use is that the System Information app is less user friendly.
In article <slrnrquatc.1fdt.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
Did you use Go64?
<https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the
System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
It's more accurate.
actually, go64 looks inside the various app for additional components
that system information misses, making go64 the better choice.
In message <romvqj$ov2$2@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
wrote:
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
Did you use Go64?
<https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
On 2020-11-13 19:58, Lewis wrote:
In message <romvqj$ov2$2@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
wrote:
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
with any regularity.
Did you use Go64?
<https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the
System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
The column is "64 bit (intel)" with "yes"/"no" under it.
In message <jURrH.889557$AN2.536300@fx46.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2020-11-13 19:58, Lewis wrote:
In message <romvqj$ov2$2@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> >>>> wrote:
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used >>>>> with any regularity.
Did you use Go64?
<https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the >>> System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
The column is "64 bit (intel)" with "yes"/"no" under it.
Yes, that is one option. Not the best one. The category on the left you
want is something like Legacy Software and lists ONLY the 32 bit apps.
It's near the bottom of the list.
On 2020-11-14 11:53, Lewis wrote:
In message <jURrH.889557$AN2.536300@fx46.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2020-11-13 19:58, Lewis wrote:
In message <romvqj$ov2$2@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> >>>>> wrote:
I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used >>>>>> with any regularity.
Did you use Go64?
<https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the >>>> System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
The column is "64 bit (intel)" with "yes"/"no" under it.
Yes, that is one option. Not the best one. The category on the left you
want is something like Legacy Software and lists ONLY the 32 bit apps.
It's near the bottom of the list.
Never noticed it before. Just as easy to sort on the 64 bit column in Applications. Click on an app of interest and get the info in the sub pane.
Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
It's more accurate.
As I recall, the Legacy Software category gives more and more useful information.
On 2020-11-14 13:45, Lewis wrote:
As I recall, the Legacy Software category gives more and more useful
information.
Applications shows me Adobe DNG Converter (32 bit and 64 bit versions), "Legacy software" is mute about the 32 bit version (because I have the
64b version I assume).
With Legacy Sofware you get some additional data such as Version,
Signing ID and hash, but nothing esp. useful to manifest what s/w needs consideration to upgrade/update/replacement or loss.
On 2020-11-13 at 17:58:20 MST, "Lewis" <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the
System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
It's more accurate.
No, it isn't. That pane in particular does not update properly. On my system (10.14.6), it still lists a game app that I deleted months ago and continues to list Find Any File (now at 2.2.1) and Google Earth Pro (now at 7.3.3) as 32-bit apps. The File menu's Refresh Information command doesn't fix this.
In addition, Go64 is much easier to use, because it displays the 32-bit items in one pane, whereas System Information splits them among several panes and only allows sorting of 64-bit items by column in Applications and Preference Panes.
System Information is very useful, but for the specific task of finding 32-bit
software on your system, Go64 is better.
In message <uIXrH.365308$5_4.360553@fx40.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2020-11-14 13:45, Lewis wrote:
As I recall, the Legacy Software category gives more and more useful
information.
Applications shows me Adobe DNG Converter (32 bit and 64 bit versions),
"Legacy software" is mute about the 32 bit version (because I have the
64b version I assume).
With Legacy Sofware you get some additional data such as Version,
Signing ID and hash, but nothing esp. useful to manifest what s/w needs
consideration to upgrade/update/replacement or loss.
Version info seems like it would be very useful when looking for updates.
On 2020-11-13 at 17:58:20 MST, "Lewis" <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the
System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
It's more accurate.
No, it isn't. That pane in particular does not update properly. On my system (10.14.6), it still lists a game app that I deleted months ago and continues to list Find Any File (now at 2.2.1) and Google Earth Pro (now at 7.3.3) as 32-bit apps. The File menu's Refresh Information command doesn't fix this.
Nobody with a brain ever installs version .0 of anything anyway. You
should at least wait for version .1 to fix the many bugs that'll turn up with the first public release.
On 2020-11-12 18:23, Your Name wrote:
Nobody with a brain ever installs version .0 of anything anyway. You
should at least wait for version .1 to fix the many bugs that'll turn up
with the first public release.
Technically, its a .0.1. AFAIK, there was no .0 (not that this really affects your point).
In message <rorunn$u30$1@dont-email.me> Andr G Isaak
<agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
On 2020-11-12 18:23, Your Name wrote:
Nobody with a brain ever installs version .0 of anything anyway. You
should at least wait for version .1 to fix the many bugs that'll turn up >>> with the first public release.
Technically, its a .0.1. AFAIK, there was no .0 (not that this really
affects your point).
His point is nonsense, of course.
Plenty of people update to the new IS at the initial version, usually on their secondary machine if they are people who do real work on their computers (that is, email and such may be real work, but not what I
mean). Also, people who rely on specialize third party software are
smart to delay until they know their third party software works.
But for mot people and most systems, there is no reason to delay. And
most people do not delay. The uptake on 11.0.1 was huge, which is partly
what overwhelmed the CDN. Which was a minor issue that was 1) easily mitigated and 2) quickly fixed.
Hmm. Google Earth Pro is shown as 7.3[.3.7786) and 64 bits on my
machine in System Information | Applications.
| Sysop: | Gate Keeper |
|---|---|
| Location: | Shelby, NC |
| Users: | 712 |
| Nodes: | 20 (0 / 20) |
| Uptime: | 65:39:25 |
| Calls: | 9,014 |
| Calls today: | 2 |
| Files: | 5,288 |
| D/L today: |
26 files (7,432K bytes) |
| Messages: | 464,105 |