• What's the latest on Classic on mactel's?

    From Ted Lee@TMPLee@MR.Net to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 08:01:55
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    I don't read this group regularly, but I did do a Google search and
    couldn't find any recent speculation or news about how anyone is coming
    along with a classic environment on the mactel machines. (Apart from
    running a Mac emulator on top of the windows environment!)
    Is there anything new since the speculation that was around when the
    new machines were introduced?

    Ted Lee
    Minnetonka, MN

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  • From John Drako@jbravo556@gmail.removethis.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:15:26
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:01:55 -0400, Ted Lee wrote
    (in article <1145372515.263170.172180@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):

    I don't read this group regularly, but I did do a Google search and
    couldn't find any recent speculation or news about how anyone is coming
    along with a classic environment on the mactel machines. (Apart from running a Mac emulator on top of the windows environment!)
    Is there anything new since the speculation that was around when the
    new machines were introduced?

    Nope. Nothing new. Classic is not supported on Mactels and will never be supported by Apple.

    It's been more than 5 years since OS X debuted. More than enough time to
    move on to applications that run in OS X.

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  • From jimhill@jimhill@swcp.com (Jim Hill) to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 21:36:31
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Ted Lee wrote:
    I don't read this group regularly, but I did do a Google search and
    couldn't find any recent speculation or news about how anyone is coming
    along with a classic environment on the mactel machines.

    Doesn't work, won't work, time to move along.


    Jim
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  • From jimhill@jimhill@swcp.com (Jim Hill) to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 21:37:48
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    John Drako wrote:
    It's been more than 5 years since OS X debuted. More than enough time to >move on to applications that run in OS X.

    This is the part of the thread where someone pops in and announces that
    he just can't live without KaleidaGraph 2.1 and the Oscar-the-Grouch
    extension that animates emptying the Trash.


    Jim
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  • From Dave Balderstone@dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 15:55:45
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <e23m7c$5sq$2@iruka.swcp.com>, Jim Hill <jimhill@swcp.com>
    wrote:

    This is the part of the thread where someone pops in and announces that
    he just can't live without KaleidaGraph 2.1 and the Oscar-the-Grouch extension that animates emptying the Trash.

    I want my Talking Moooooose!
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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 17:22:32
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <180420061555457106%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

    In article <e23m7c$5sq$2@iruka.swcp.com>, Jim Hill <jimhill@swcp.com>
    wrote:

    This is the part of the thread where someone pops in and announces that
    he just can't live without KaleidaGraph 2.1 and the Oscar-the-Grouch extension that animates emptying the Trash.

    I want my Talking Moooooose!

    there's an osx native version :)

    http://www.zathras.de/angelweb/moose.htm
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  • From Dave Balderstone@dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 19:03:38
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <180420061722326756%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <180420061555457106%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>, Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

    In article <e23m7c$5sq$2@iruka.swcp.com>, Jim Hill <jimhill@swcp.com> wrote:

    This is the part of the thread where someone pops in and announces that he just can't live without KaleidaGraph 2.1 and the Oscar-the-Grouch extension that animates emptying the Trash.

    I want my Talking Moooooose!

    there's an osx native version :)

    http://www.zathras.de/angelweb/moose.htm

    JoY!
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  • From per@per@RQNNE.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Per_R=F8nne?=) to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 07:01:33
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Jim Hill <jimhill@swcp.com> wrote:

    Ted Lee wrote:
    I don't read this group regularly, but I did do a Google search and >couldn't find any recent speculation or news about how anyone is coming >along with a classic environment on the mactel machines.

    Doesn't work, won't work, time to move along.

    There's already Classic Mac emulators for Windows. They will probably be
    moved to MacOS X on Intel.

    But an Apple product? No. It will be the same kind of product that you
    can use to run a Commodore 64 or Armstrad cp/m-80 on your Mac:

    <http://www.bannister.org/software/emu.htm>
    --
    Per Erik Rųnne
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  • From danspam@danspam@f2s.com (Daniel Cohen) to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 06:39:00
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    John Drako <jbravo556@gmail.removethis.com> wrote:



    Nope. Nothing new. Classic is not supported on Mactels and will never be supported by Apple.

    But maybe by third parties.


    It's been more than 5 years since OS X debuted. More than enough time to
    move on to applications that run in OS X.

    I have at least two games that I still like that run under Classic but
    not OS X. They don't depend on speed, so a slow emulator would be fine.
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  • From Ralph E Lindberg@n7bsn@callsign.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 05:47:20
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <e23m7c$5sq$2@iruka.swcp.com>, jimhill@swcp.com (Jim Hill)
    wrote:

    John Drako wrote:
    It's been more than 5 years since OS X debuted. More than enough time to >move on to applications that run in OS X.

    This is the part of the thread where someone pops in and announces that
    he just can't live without KaleidaGraph 2.1 and the Oscar-the-Grouch extension that animates emptying the Trash.

    Ya know, I hadn't really missed the Oscar bit until you mentioned it.

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  • From me@me@home.spamsucks.ca (Kirįly) to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 16:11:54
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Jim Hill <jimhill@swcp.com> wrote:
    This is the part of the thread where someone pops in and announces that
    he just can't live without KaleidaGraph 2.1 and the Oscar-the-Grouch extension that animates emptying the Trash.

    What I missed most about OS 9 were "boing", "klink-klank", and "ChuToy."
    Good thing I was able to bring these with me to OS X. It's just so
    nostalgic to get a "boing" for an alert sound.

    --
    K.
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  • From Carl Witthoft@carl@witthoft.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 21:13:37
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <e22vqe0305e@news2.newsguy.com>,
    John Drako <jbravo556@gmail.removethis.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:01:55 -0400, Ted Lee wrote
    (in article <1145372515.263170.172180@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):

    I don't read this group regularly, but I did do a Google search and couldn't find any recent speculation or news about how anyone is coming along with a classic environment on the mactel machines. (Apart from running a Mac emulator on top of the windows environment!)
    Is there anything new since the speculation that was around when the
    new machines were introduced?

    Nope. Nothing new. Classic is not supported on Mactels and will never be supported by Apple.

    It's been more than 5 years since OS X debuted. More than enough time to move on to applications that run in OS X.

    Yeah. Good luck finding anything as neat, clean, and useful as
    ClarisCAD.

    (I know CadIntosh is decent, but it's got a steeper learning curve).

    Anyway, I can't imagine it'll be long before some sort of SheepShaver
    thing is integrated into Parallels software.
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  • From Ed Anson@EdAnson@comcast.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 22:13:44
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    John Drako wrote:
    It's been more than 5 years since OS X debuted. More than enough time to move on to applications that run in OS X.


    I still use applications that are ten or more years old. Some are even
    68K code that runs fine in Classic. They do important things for me, but
    there will never be an OSX version because the vendor has gone out of business.

    That is the main reason I will not be upgrading my Mac this year. I
    would have to spend thousands of dollars replacing software just to get part-way back to the level of functionality I have today. Oh, and some
    of my most important OSX apps are still not Rosetta compatible.

    So now I'm in a dilemma. I can't risk buying any new software because I
    don't know whether it will continue to work when I'm finally forced to
    replace my Mac. But I can't risk buying a new Mac now because I know it
    won't run my most important apps.

    Hopefully things will stabilize in another year or so. But then I
    thought the same thing a few years ago when I transitioned to OSX and
    had to replace thousands of dollars worth of software that didn't work
    in Classic.
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  • From You@You@shadow.orgs to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, April 20, 2006 17:13:02
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <carl-0E884B.21133719042006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
    Carl Witthoft <carl@witthoft.com> wrote:

    Yeah. Good luck finding anything as neat, clean, and useful as
    ClarisCAD.

    (I know CadIntosh is decent, but it's got a steeper learning curve).

    Anyway, I can't imagine it'll be long before some sort of SheepShaver
    thing is integrated into Parallels software.

    Yea, to bad Claris plagerized some of the code and had to agree to
    stop distributing it, when they got caught....... Vellum works
    well but is a bit expensive......
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  • From Gregory Weston@uce@splook.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, April 21, 2006 09:08:00
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <e22vqe0305e@news2.newsguy.com>,
    John Drako <jbravo556@gmail.removethis.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:01:55 -0400, Ted Lee wrote
    (in article <1145372515.263170.172180@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):

    I don't read this group regularly, but I did do a Google search and couldn't find any recent speculation or news about how anyone is coming along with a classic environment on the mactel machines. (Apart from running a Mac emulator on top of the windows environment!)
    Is there anything new since the speculation that was around when the
    new machines were introduced?

    Nope. Nothing new. Classic is not supported on Mactels and will never be supported by Apple.

    It's been more than 5 years since OS X debuted. More than enough time to move on to applications that run in OS X.

    Yeah, provided the applications you use are still being update or
    sufficient replacements for them are available. That's only true for
    most software, though; not all. That's _why_ there are Amiga and Apple
    II emulators around and getting active development in 2006.

    --
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    I have no idea what it means, but it's such a cool "word" (by which I mean pronouncable sequence of letters) regardless.
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  • From Howard S Shubs@howard@shubs.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, April 21, 2006 10:00:36
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <uce-EA7745.09080021042006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
    Gregory Weston <uce@splook.com> wrote:

    Yeah, provided the applications you use are still being update or
    sufficient replacements for them are available. That's only true for
    most software, though; not all. That's _why_ there are Amiga and Apple
    II emulators around and getting active development in 2006.

    What applications don't have reasonable replacements available? Maybe
    there's a development opportunity here.

    --
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    Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams.
    from "Ode", Arthur O'Shaughnessy
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  • From Ted Lee@TMPLee@MR.Net to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, April 21, 2006 08:30:56
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system


    Howard S Shubs wrote:
    .

    What applications don't have reasonable replacements available? Maybe there's a development opportunity here.


    The main one we're concerned about is a particular cookbook program
    (Mangia!). There are plenty of "replacements" available -- but *none*
    of them have the particular combination of features it has, and *none*
    of them have at least one specific feature we use. A number of them
    also pride themselves in having a Mac OS-X look and feel: we want
    something that has a cookbook look and feel! There is also the
    problem that the data is stored in a "proprietary" format, so while
    there are ways to transfer it to other programs (print to file and
    import with something that attempts, with varying degrees of success,
    to parse the ascii text) that's a problem too.

    Ted Lee
    Minnetonka, MN

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  • From Michael Vilain@vilain@spamcop.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, April 21, 2006 09:39:52
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <1145633456.565167.181550@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
    "Ted Lee" <TMPLee@MR.Net> wrote:

    Howard S Shubs wrote:
    .

    What applications don't have reasonable replacements available? Maybe there's a development opportunity here.


    The main one we're concerned about is a particular cookbook program (Mangia!). There are plenty of "replacements" available -- but *none*
    of them have the particular combination of features it has, and *none*
    of them have at least one specific feature we use. A number of them
    also pride themselves in having a Mac OS-X look and feel: we want
    something that has a cookbook look and feel! There is also the
    problem that the data is stored in a "proprietary" format, so while
    there are ways to transfer it to other programs (print to file and
    import with something that attempts, with varying degrees of success,
    to parse the ascii text) that's a problem too.

    Ted Lee
    Minnetonka, MN

    I felt the same with AddressBook, CodeWarrior, FrameMaker, and
    FontMonger. But I found substitutes.

    Just try going into a "stereo" store now and try to buy a receiver and
    tuner. Unless you're handy with a sodering iron and scope and shop on
    eBay, you won't find anything that isn't a 5-channel entertainment
    center.

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  • From Michelle Steiner@michelle@michelle.org to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, April 21, 2006 10:43:00
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <vilain-6C08AC.09395221042006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
    Michael Vilain <vilain@spamcop.net> wrote:

    Just try going into a "stereo" store now and try to buy a receiver
    and tuner. Unless you're handy with a sodering iron and scope and
    shop on eBay, you won't find anything that isn't a 5-channel
    entertainment center.

    I've been to high end, mid-range, and low-end stores, and have found
    plain stereo receivers in all of them. But only the high end stores
    have separate stereo components (e.g., tuner and integrated amp, or
    tuner, preamp and power amp)--and finding separates for surround sound requires going to the ultra-high end places.

    BTW, it's getting harder and harder to find five channel receivers these
    days; six channel and seven channel are taking over from five channel.

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  • From Marc Heusser@marc.heusser@CHEERSheusser.comMERCIALSPAMMERS.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, April 22, 2006 01:11:04
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <vilain-6C08AC.09395221042006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
    Michael Vilain <vilain@spamcop.net> wrote:

    I felt the same with AddressBook, CodeWarrior, FrameMaker, and
    FontMonger. But I found substitutes.

    What did you find for FrameMaker? I have many many documents in
    FrameMaker ...

    Narc

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  • From Barry Margolin@barmar@alum.mit.edu to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, April 21, 2006 21:46:36
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <howard-58719F.10003621042006@news.supernews.com>,
    Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:

    In article <uce-EA7745.09080021042006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
    Gregory Weston <uce@splook.com> wrote:

    Yeah, provided the applications you use are still being update or sufficient replacements for them are available. That's only true for
    most software, though; not all. That's _why_ there are Amiga and Apple
    II emulators around and getting active development in 2006.

    What applications don't have reasonable replacements available? Maybe there's a development opportunity here.

    For me, Managing Your Money. Someone needs to write a good utility to
    convert its files to Quicken.

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  • From Michael Vilain@vilain@spamcop.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, April 22, 2006 02:58:08
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <marc.heusser-C8E336.01110422042006@idnews.unizh.ch>,
    Marc Heusser <marc.heusser@CHEERSheusser.comMERCIALSPAMMERS.invalid>
    wrote:

    In article <vilain-6C08AC.09395221042006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
    Michael Vilain <vilain@spamcop.net> wrote:

    I felt the same with AddressBook, CodeWarrior, FrameMaker, and
    FontMonger. But I found substitutes.

    What did you find for FrameMaker? I have many many documents in
    FrameMaker ...

    Narc

    I was previously using Ready, Set, Go!, but Indesign and or Quark are
    more prevelent. I'm not saying they are a feature for feature
    replacement or can read the old files. I said I found another
    application to use instead.

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  • From Jeff Wechter@usenet@works.ok to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, April 22, 2006 14:06:02
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article
    <1145372515.263170.172180@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
    "Ted Lee" <TMPLee@MR.Net> wrote:

    I don't read this group regularly, but I did do a Google search and
    couldn't find any recent speculation or news about how anyone is coming
    along with a classic environment on the mactel machines. (Apart from running a Mac emulator on top of the windows environment!)
    Is there anything new since the speculation that was around when the
    new machines were introduced?

    There's a non-Windows emulator:

    <http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/#info>

    But it's probably best to move on, if possible.

    Jeff
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  • From gshenaut@gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, April 22, 2006 07:08:26
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    It seems to me that what *should* happen is that Classic will be run
    under emulation within OS/X. Classic apps will run slower than they
    would if they could run natively, but, as processor speed continues to
    pick up, emulation under Mactel may actually be faster than native
    under the processors available when Classic ruled the waves.

    Greg Shenaut

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  • From Marc Heusser@marc.heusser@CHEERSheusser.comMERCIALSPAMMERS.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, April 22, 2006 17:16:25
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <vilain-A09FA4.02580822042006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
    Michael Vilain <vilain@spamcop.net> wrote:

    I was previously using Ready, Set, Go!, but Indesign and or Quark are
    more prevelent. I'm not saying they are a feature for feature
    replacement or can read the old files. I said I found another
    application to use instead.

    I'm very serious about it: I really am looking for a FrameMaker
    replacement - unfortunately none of the above are close enough for
    longer structured documents.
    I do not know of any other application that does this.
    Pages from Apple is ok if you do not need long document features (cross-references, multiple chapters as individual files) - and
    suprisingly simliar in some areas.
    It is a pity Adobe never did a version for Mac OS X, especially as
    FrameMaker started out on Unix and still works on other Unix flavors
    (and Windows :-(

    Marc

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  • From Barry Margolin@barmar@alum.mit.edu to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, April 22, 2006 14:42:57
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <1145714906.769501.189330@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
    "gshenaut" <gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu> wrote:

    It seems to me that what *should* happen is that Classic will be run
    under emulation within OS/X. Classic apps will run slower than they
    would if they could run natively, but, as processor speed continues to
    pick up, emulation under Mactel may actually be faster than native
    under the processors available when Classic ruled the waves.

    The problem is that Rosetta's emulation doesn't work for some types of applications, and Classic is one of them. And Apple wasn't interested
    in doing the work necessary to make this work.

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    Arlington, MA
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  • From Steve Hix@sehix@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, April 22, 2006 14:12:26
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <marc.heusser-9D4A03.17162522042006@idnews.unizh.ch>,
    Marc Heusser <marc.heusser@CHEERSheusser.comMERCIALSPAMMERS.invalid>
    wrote:

    In article <vilain-A09FA4.02580822042006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
    Michael Vilain <vilain@spamcop.net> wrote:

    I was previously using Ready, Set, Go!, but Indesign and or Quark are
    more prevelent. I'm not saying they are a feature for feature
    replacement or can read the old files. I said I found another
    application to use instead.

    I'm very serious about it: I really am looking for a FrameMaker
    replacement - unfortunately none of the above are close enough for
    longer structured documents.

    By now I've decided that we're going to be stuck with running FrameMaker
    for Windows under Parallels' virtualization application on intel Macs.

    I do not know of any other application that does this.

    They are pretty scarce, and not just under OS X.

    Pages from Apple is ok if you do not need long document features (cross-references, multiple chapters as individual files) - and
    suprisingly simliar in some areas.
    It is a pity Adobe never did a version for Mac OS X,

    Worse, they did the absolute minimum required to make it work under
    Classic, and took such a long time to do even that much that their Mac
    sales pretty much dried up. Then they killed the Mac version because
    "there just wasn't any demand for it". Of course there wasn't; customers
    were waiting for a real OS X version.

    especially as
    FrameMaker started out on Unix and still works on other Unix flavors
    (and Windows :-(

    Adobe during the past couple of years have talked about dropping Unix
    support, they may have kept on with the Solaris version only after Sun
    paid them to keep it. Adobe *did* drop a Linux version some time after releasing a beta.

    And now they've moved the development to India; I think they'd like to
    drop the product and tell everyone to make do with InDesign, but it
    ain't ready for prime time, at least not at the types of job that FM
    does best.
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