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  • Is it supposed to take a long time for macOS to finally see an USB3 4 TB HDD's encrypted partitions (macOS+Journaled and APFS)?

    From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, February 11, 2021 03:42:29
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    Hello.

    Is it supposed to take a long time for macOSes (updated Big Sur v11.x
    and Mojave v10.4.6) to finally see an USB3 4 TB HDD's encrypted
    partitions (macOS+Journaled and APFS)? ExFAT (no encryption) always
    mount right away, but the other ones take like a minute or more to be
    seen and ask me to enter their passwords to mount. This is with a month
    old external Seagate HDD (http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Portable-External-Hard-Drive/dp/B07VS8QCXC/) with three partitions (exFAT, encrypted macOS+Journaled, and encrypted
    APFS -- http://imgur.com/a/DUFXWmK from macOS Mojave v10.4.6's Disk
    Utilty v18 app when partitions are not mounted, partitioned, and
    formatted).

    Thank you for reading. :)
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  • From Alan Browne@Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg to comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 15:13:49
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    On 2021-02-11 04:42, Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    Is it supposed to take a long time for macOSes (updated Big Sur v11.x
    and Mojave v10.4.6) to finally see an USB3 4 TB HDD's encrypted
    partitions (macOS+Journaled and APFS)? ExFAT (no encryption) always
    mount right away, but the other ones take like a minute or more to be
    seen and ask me to enter their passwords to mount. This is with a month
    old external Seagate HDD

    I have 4 USB 3, 6 TB disks attached most of the time. On a "wake from
    sleep" they're available in seconds. On a re-boot or re-connect it can
    take 10 - 20 seconds for all 4 to show in Finder[1]. They are all
    encrypted drives. The "password" is stored in Keychain so there is no entering of the password on each connect required.

    (Catalina 10.15 ish.)

    [1] IIRC even if the volume doesn't show in Finder quickly, I believe
    they show in Disk Utility quicker than that - but I won't stand on it.


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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage on Wednesday, February 17, 2021 11:09:44
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    On 2021-02-16 20:13:49 +0000, Alan Browne said:
    On 2021-02-11 04:42, Ant wrote:

    Hello.

    Is it supposed to take a long time for macOSes (updated Big Sur v11.x
    and Mojave v10.4.6) to finally see an USB3 4 TB HDD's encrypted
    partitions (macOS+Journaled and APFS)? ExFAT (no encryption) always
    mount right away, but the other ones take like a minute or more to be
    seen and ask me to enter their passwords to mount. This is with a month
    old external Seagate HDD

    I have 4 USB 3, 6 TB disks attached most of the time. On a "wake from sleep" they're available in seconds. On a re-boot or re-connect it can
    take 10 - 20 seconds for all 4 to show in Finder[1]. They are all
    encrypted drives. The "password" is stored in Keychain so there is no entering of the password on each connect required.

    (Catalina 10.15 ish.)

    [1] IIRC even if the volume doesn't show in Finder quickly, I believe
    they show in Disk Utility quicker than that - but I won't stand on it.

    My guess would be the OS on booting/reconnecting is checking the disks,
    which is doesn't do on waking. For large cpacity drives this can take a
    bit longer than smaller capacity drives.

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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 16:26:32
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    In comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> wrote:
    On 2021-02-11 04:42, Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    Is it supposed to take a long time for macOSes (updated Big Sur v11.x
    and Mojave v10.4.6) to finally see an USB3 4 TB HDD's encrypted
    partitions (macOS+Journaled and APFS)? ExFAT (no encryption) always
    mount right away, but the other ones take like a minute or more to be
    seen and ask me to enter their passwords to mount. This is with a month
    old external Seagate HDD

    I have 4 USB 3, 6 TB disks attached most of the time. On a "wake from sleep" they're available in seconds. On a re-boot or re-connect it can
    take 10 - 20 seconds for all 4 to show in Finder[1]. They are all
    encrypted drives. The "password" is stored in Keychain so there is no entering of the password on each connect required.

    (Catalina 10.15 ish.)

    [1] IIRC even if the volume doesn't show in Finder quickly, I believe
    they show in Disk Utility quicker than that - but I won't stand on it.

    Disk Utility app also takes a long time to show them. :/
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  • From Percival John Hackworth@pjh@nanoworks.com to comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 23:06:05
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 16-Feb-2021 at 2:26:32PM PST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    In comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> wrote:
    On 2021-02-11 04:42, Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    Is it supposed to take a long time for macOSes (updated Big Sur v11.x
    and Mojave v10.4.6) to finally see an USB3 4 TB HDD's encrypted
    partitions (macOS+Journaled and APFS)? ExFAT (no encryption) always
    mount right away, but the other ones take like a minute or more to be
    seen and ask me to enter their passwords to mount. This is with a month >> > old external Seagate HDD

    I have 4 USB 3, 6 TB disks attached most of the time. On a "wake from
    sleep" they're available in seconds. On a re-boot or re-connect it can
    take 10 - 20 seconds for all 4 to show in Finder[1]. They are all
    encrypted drives. The "password" is stored in Keychain so there is no
    entering of the password on each connect required.

    (Catalina 10.15 ish.)

    [1] IIRC even if the volume doesn't show in Finder quickly, I believe
    they show in Disk Utility quicker than that - but I won't stand on it.

    Disk Utility app also takes a long time to show them. :/

    Part of me wonders if "disks take a long time to mount" is a possible symptom of a failing drive. Do these drives have SMART capabilities? If you have a SMART monitor or reporter, you can look at the drive error statistics and see how many bad block replacements have been made (not indicative of an error, typically) and how many uncorrectable bad block errors (which are a problem).

    I've used SmartMonTools on other systems to do monitoring and it works well.

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/smartmontools/files/latest/download
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 23:07:04
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In message <2IVWH.3$IzB.0@fx35.iad> Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> wrote:
    On 2021-02-11 04:42, Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    Is it supposed to take a long time for macOSes (updated Big Sur v11.x
    and Mojave v10.4.6) to finally see an USB3 4 TB HDD's encrypted
    partitions (macOS+Journaled and APFS)? ExFAT (no encryption) always
    mount right away, but the other ones take like a minute or more to be
    seen and ask me to enter their passwords to mount. This is with a month
    old external Seagate HDD

    I have 4 USB 3, 6 TB disks attached most of the time. On a "wake from sleep" they're available in seconds. On a re-boot or re-connect it can
    take 10 - 20 seconds for all 4 to show in Finder[1]. They are all
    encrypted drives. The "password" is stored in Keychain so there is no entering of the password on each connect required.

    I am going to guess that you have not, however, created multiple
    partitions on those drives like it's 1999.

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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, February 16, 2021 20:09:26
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:
    ...
    Part of me wonders if "disks take a long time to mount" is a possible symptom of a failing drive. Do these drives have SMART capabilities? If you have a SMART monitor or reporter, you can look at the drive error statistics and see how many bad block replacements have been made (not indicative of an error, typically) and how many uncorrectable bad block errors (which are a problem).

    I've used SmartMonTools on other systems to do monitoring and it works well.

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/smartmontools/files/latest/download

    According to SMARTReporter v3.1.17 b2295 (no newer version since
    10/22/2018?), it only found the internal SSD in this 2012 MBP (Mojave v10.14.6). :( I'm using https://binaryfruit.com/download/mac/satsmartdriver/SATSMARTDriver-0.10.2.zip to install the external driver for USB drive access (it took forever to
    install too). :(

    I also tried GSmartControl v1.1.3 (last updated in 11/12/2017!) in my
    decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. It also said no SMART for this
    1.5 months old external HDD too.
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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, February 17, 2021 16:26:00
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    On 2021-02-16, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    In message <2IVWH.3$IzB.0@fx35.iad> Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> wrote:
    On 2021-02-11 04:42, Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    Is it supposed to take a long time for macOSes (updated Big Sur
    v11.x and Mojave v10.4.6) to finally see an USB3 4 TB HDD's
    encrypted partitions (macOS+Journaled and APFS)? ExFAT (no
    encryption) always mount right away, but the other ones take like a
    minute or more to be seen and ask me to enter their passwords to
    mount. This is with a month old external Seagate HDD

    I have 4 USB 3, 6 TB disks attached most of the time. On a "wake
    from sleep" they're available in seconds. On a re-boot or re-connect
    it can take 10 - 20 seconds for all 4 to show in Finder[1]. They are
    all encrypted drives. The "password" is stored in Keychain so there
    is no entering of the password on each connect required.

    I am going to guess that you have not, however, created multiple
    partitions on those drives like it's 1999.

    I suspect you have a BINGO there. It probably has something to do with
    Ant's weird partition setup.

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  • From Alan Browne@bitbucket@blackhole.com to comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, February 17, 2021 20:42:23
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    On 2021-02-16 18:07, Lewis wrote:
    In message <2IVWH.3$IzB.0@fx35.iad> Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> wrote:
    On 2021-02-11 04:42, Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    Is it supposed to take a long time for macOSes (updated Big Sur v11.x
    and Mojave v10.4.6) to finally see an USB3 4 TB HDD's encrypted
    partitions (macOS+Journaled and APFS)? ExFAT (no encryption) always
    mount right away, but the other ones take like a minute or more to be
    seen and ask me to enter their passwords to mount. This is with a month
    old external Seagate HDD

    I have 4 USB 3, 6 TB disks attached most of the time. On a "wake from
    sleep" they're available in seconds. On a re-boot or re-connect it can
    take 10 - 20 seconds for all 4 to show in Finder[1]. They are all
    encrypted drives. The "password" is stored in Keychain so there is no
    entering of the password on each connect required.

    I am going to guess that you have not, however, created multiple
    partitions on those drives like it's 1999.

    I'm pretty sure I abandoned multiple partitions before 1999.

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    man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage,comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, February 18, 2021 02:32:04
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2021-02-18, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2021-02-16 18:07, Lewis wrote:
    In message <2IVWH.3$IzB.0@fx35.iad> Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> wrote:
    On 2021-02-11 04:42, Ant wrote:
    Hello.

    Is it supposed to take a long time for macOSes (updated Big Sur v11.x
    and Mojave v10.4.6) to finally see an USB3 4 TB HDD's encrypted
    partitions (macOS+Journaled and APFS)? ExFAT (no encryption) always
    mount right away, but the other ones take like a minute or more to be
    seen and ask me to enter their passwords to mount. This is with a month >>>> old external Seagate HDD

    I have 4 USB 3, 6 TB disks attached most of the time. On a "wake from
    sleep" they're available in seconds. On a re-boot or re-connect it can
    take 10 - 20 seconds for all 4 to show in Finder[1]. They are all
    encrypted drives. The "password" is stored in Keychain so there is no
    entering of the password on each connect required.

    I am going to guess that you have not, however, created multiple
    partitions on those drives like it's 1999.

    I'm pretty sure I abandoned multiple partitions before 1999.

    Same here. Hard drives are dirt cheap, and partitioning puts more data
    at risk than is necessary.

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