• Re: Apple Fan: Rush

    From Jerry Kindall@jerrykindall@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Monday, June 30, 2003 17:14:36
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <orac-B82701.09114630062003@host9.newsfeeds.com>, Orac <orac@mac.com> wrote:

    In article <290620032109412875%jerrykindall@nospam.invalid>,
    Jerry Kindall <jerrykindall@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <1056926806.381088@ok-corral.gunslinger.net>, Jeremy <jeremy@exit109.com> wrote:

    nosredna <nosredna@suscom.net> wrote:

    Yeah, some people just parrot what they've heard others say about Rush,
    instead of having an informed opinion. If Apple would only latch on to this ideal advertising opportunity (Rush's show), they would probably gain a lot more Switchers and people buying their first computer.

    It's far from an ideal opportunity. They'd probably lose more sales from people disgusted by their association with that worthless piece of garbage
    than they would gain from the gullible fools who listen to his lies.

    They'd probably lose some sales, yes. Lose more than they gain, I
    don't know. It'd probably be pretty close.

    Which is exactly why Apple wouldn't use Rush...

    Yeah, lotta money for no gain. Besides, he's advertising them for free
    now!

    --
    Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA <http://www.jerrykindall.com/>

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  • From jemmy ducks@jd@invalid.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 06:20:00
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <1056979380.701107@ok-corral.gunslinger.net>, Jeremy <jeremy@exit109.com> wrote:

    It's not about "left" and "right". It would be like getting an endorsement from Charles Manson, or Jim Jones, or David Koresh (except that they're more respectable). It would taint the Apple brand, which is based on a certain image.

    You're going way too far. It's more like getting an endorsement from
    Homer Simpson.
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  • From jemmy ducks@jd@invalid.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 06:30:59
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <orac-C8EC3A.09030730062003@host9.newsfeeds.com>, Orac <orac@mac.com> wrote:

    Why is that? Are you so superior that you can't imagine that people not possessed of your apparently vastly elevated intellect (at least in your
    own opinion) might actually be able to decide for themselves what to
    believe and what not to believe when listening to a pundit?

    I do believe I am intellectually superior--both by education and by
    native mental processing power--to persons who find RL either
    entertaining or "Right" (as they like to say on their car bumpers). I
    do not, however, have any trouble "imagining" why ignorant people are
    so eager to believe a clown like RL.

    At all events, I fear we run the risk of offending other participants
    in c.s.m.s, who do not care to wade through the sort of silliness one
    sees in the "politics" groups. I will say no more on the subject.
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  • From Orac@orac@wabcmail.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 09:30:44
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <300620032330568544%jd@invalid.invalid>,
    jemmy ducks <jd@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    In article <orac-C8EC3A.09030730062003@host9.newsfeeds.com>, Orac <orac@mac.com> wrote:

    Why is that? Are you so superior that you can't imagine that people not possessed of your apparently vastly elevated intellect (at least in your own opinion) might actually be able to decide for themselves what to believe and what not to believe when listening to a pundit?

    I do believe I am intellectually superior--both by education and by
    native mental processing power--to persons who find RL either
    entertaining or "Right" (as they like to say on their car bumpers).

    That's nice. Exactly the sort of arrogance that makes me question
    whether you truly are intellectually superior. Even if you are so
    superior an intellect, a modicum of humility is usually more becoming.


    I
    do not, however, have any trouble "imagining" why ignorant people are
    so eager to believe a clown like RL.

    And I have no problem "imagining" why those who view themselves as
    "above the rabble" (as you apparently do) are just as ignorant in their
    own "superior" way.


    At all events, I fear we run the risk of offending other participants
    in c.s.m.s, who do not care to wade through the sort of silliness one
    sees in the "politics" groups. I will say no more on the subject.

    That's the first wise thing you've said on the subject, and I concur.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"
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  • From Orac@orac@mac.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 09:33:24
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <300620032320502185%jd@invalid.invalid>,
    jemmy ducks <jd@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    In article <1056979380.701107@ok-corral.gunslinger.net>, Jeremy <jeremy@exit109.com> wrote:

    It's not about "left" and "right". It would be like getting an endorsement from Charles Manson, or Jim Jones, or David Koresh (except that they're more
    respectable). It would taint the Apple brand, which is based on a certain image.

    You're going way too far. It's more like getting an endorsement from
    Homer Simpson.

    Hey, Homer Simpson would probably be a great spokes-cartoon, depending
    on how he was used.
    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"
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  • From Dale J.@nospam@nospam.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 15:47:33
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <orac-13EB17.09304401072003@host9.newsfeeds.com>,
    Orac <orac@wabcmail.com> wrote:



    And I have no problem "imagining" why those who view themselves as
    "above the rabble" (as you apparently do) are just as ignorant in their
    own "superior" way.


    At all events, I fear we run the risk of offending other participants
    in c.s.m.s, who do not care to wade through the sort of silliness one
    sees in the "politics" groups. I will say no more on the subject.

    That's the first wise thing you've said on the subject, and I concur.

    Orac, how come you're the only turd I see posting on this NG regarding
    this useless/worthless subject which has nothing to do with mac.system?

    Dale the terrible

    --
    Dale J.
    Bloomington, Minnesota

    E-mail: dalej2@mac.com
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  • From Ron Parsons@jrp59@gte.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 18:35:01
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <nosredna-D71AE0.16393229062003@news.fu-berlin.de>,
    nosredna <nosredna@suscom.net> wrote:

    Yeah, some people just parrot what they've heard others say about Rush, >instead of having an informed opinion.

    Yeah, some people just parrot what they've heard others say about
    Macintosh, instead of having an informed opinion.

    --
    Ron
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  • From nosredna@nosredna@suscom.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 14:49:55
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <jrp59-592AD5.13350002072003@news.bellatlantic.net>,
    Ron Parsons <jrp59@gte.net> wrote:

    In article <nosredna-D71AE0.16393229062003@news.fu-berlin.de>,
    nosredna <nosredna@suscom.net> wrote:

    Yeah, some people just parrot what they've heard others say about Rush, >instead of having an informed opinion.

    Yeah, some people just parrot what they've heard others say about
    Macintosh, instead of having an informed opinion.

    You can say the same thing about both "sides." Most of the people I know
    who have PCs have never used a Mac, yet they say they're "garbage." I've
    used both, and I know the difference. (Rush said he uses both also, but
    he prefers his Mac.)
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  • From shidoshi@shidoshi@morningmayo.com (shidoshi) to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 18:28:57
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote in message news:<290620031721101381%star@sky.net>...
    Oh, my opinion of Rush is quite well informed. He is a Nazi hate
    merchant. No chance Apple will give its hard-earned dollars to
    advertise on his side show. If they did, they'd never get another one
    of those dollars from this owner of six Macs!

    Ah, so you are WELL INFORMED on the fact that he is a Nazi. Please
    provide that proof, becasue I'd love to see it. Obviously, I missed
    those "at home" photo shoots of him where he was saluting a framed
    picture of Hitler.

    And to be honest, as a fellow Mac owner, I'd be happy to see you no
    longer buying Macs if it means a lot more people were instead doing
    so. Because, crazy me, I'm more worried about Apple selling machines
    than I am being as closed minded as the person I'm accusing of being
    closed minded.
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  • From shidoshi@shidoshi@morningmayo.com (shidoshi) to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 18:32:45
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 6/29/2003 4:15 PM, Heather Donahue wrote:
    (What's really ironic is that Rush does every show what shidoshi accuses Davoud of doing. How many times has he used phrases like Femi-Nazi and others to belittle people he disagrees with. His constant labeling of people like that only shows how little substance his arguments have.)

    Hopefully I have the right person with the right quote. Appologies to
    Heather if this isn't her quote.

    Anyhow, I never said that Rush doesn't do those very same things. I'm
    just saying that when you are saying how horrible somebody is, how
    closed minded they are, and how they unjustly label people as certain
    things, it's a little damning to you case to be as closed-minded and
    ignorant.

    And if we're going to say we shouldn't advertise on Rush's show
    because he's an asshole conservative, I know PLENTY of asshole
    liberals at the same time. So let's no advertise on anybody's show and
    really sink those Mac sales numbers! *heh*
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  • From shidoshi@shidoshi@morningmayo.com (shidoshi) to comp.sys.mac.system on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 18:36:07
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    Jeremy <jeremy@exit109.com> wrote in message news:<1056926806.381088@ok-corral.gunslinger.net>...
    It's far from an ideal opportunity. They'd probably lose more sales from people disgusted by their association with that worthless piece of garbage than they would gain from the gullible fools who listen to his lies.

    Anybody who basis their computer buying purchases on such childish
    decisions shouldn't be buying the computer in the first place. If we
    were talking something SERIOUS - like Klan Radio or Kill Whitey TV,
    THEN you have a valid point. But this is so not that. This is just a
    case of people letting their political bickering bother them far too
    much.
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  • From Jonathan Goodish@jgoodish@comcast.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, July 03, 2003 16:52:49
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <chuckb84-561ED6.14572730062003@text-east.newsfeeds.com>,
    Charles Bouldin <chuckb84@comcast.net> wrote:
    I agree with anyone who is a Mac advocate....on Mac advocacy. It's
    amusing to generalize beyond that. However, I will say that Rush's ego
    has gotten the better of him if he thinks that apple advertising on his
    show would result in vastly increased sales. It wouldn't. Neither would advertising with Bill Mahr.

    Regardless of your opinions on Rush, his show does have a larger
    audience than any other radio show in the country. His advertisers do
    quite well thanks to this audience and Rush's personal endorsements.

    Although I don't listen to him so much anymore, Rush has mentioned Macs positively quite a few times over the years, even using entire segments
    of his show to debate the merits of the Macintosh with callers. I
    remember when Rush "switched" to Windows a few years ago and after a
    couple weeks got on the air and said something like "Folks, I'm a Mac
    lover, but Windows really isn't that bad." I think it only took a
    couple more weeks and he was bragging about the new G4 he just purchased.

    Steve Jobs is a 70's hippie liberal Democrat, there's no question about
    it. However, he's also a creative genius whose ideas and products
    really are better. Contrary to what many may believe, Rush has personal product preferences just like everyone else and he doesn't consider
    personal politics when determining those preferences. Quite a few of
    the products that he peddles on his show are products of people with
    whom he does not agree politically. On the other hand, there are plenty
    of people (on these groups even) who will toss aside anything having to
    do with Rush simply because they do not agree with his political views.

    It's the difference between being intelligent enough to evaluate
    something apart from those things to which it isn't connected, and not
    being able to make such a distinction in your evaluation.


    JKG
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  • From Geoffrey F. Green@gfg-usenet@stuebegreen.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, July 03, 2003 15:29:33
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <jgoodish-FA2B88.12524903072003@netnews.attbi.com>,
    Jonathan Goodish <jgoodish@comcast.net> wrote:

    Regardless of your opinions on Rush, his show does have a larger
    audience than any other radio show in the country. His advertisers do
    quite well thanks to this audience and Rush's personal endorsements.

    I remember this was bandied about on one of these newsgroups a while
    back when Rush made similar comments, and I never saw support for this
    claim. Is it true? I honestly don't see how canned ads for Apple
    computers would be more effective than having the host of the show
    praise them without being compensated in any way.

    And, also, I don't think Apple runs any radio ads, so as far as
    avoiding Limbaugh's radio show is concerned, it's not quite a fair
    point.

    - geoff

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