• Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.system on Thursday, November 12, 2020 22:10:06
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    Did your Mac(s) get slow today? https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/jt2zrh/psa_if_your_mac_suddenly_just_got_very_slow_and/
    Wow. I didn't even notice this in 2012 13.3" MBP (Mojave v10.14.6) tho.
    What about the rest of you?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, November 13, 2020 18:25:01
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    On 2020-11-13 04:10:06 +0000, Ant said:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today? https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/jt2zrh/psa_if_your_mac_suddenly_just_got_very_slow_and/

    Wow. I didn't even notice this in 2012 13.3" MBP (Mojave v10.14.6) tho.
    What about the rest of you?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    No slowness for me that I noticed, but I'm using High Sierra so don't
    have a lot of the stupid security nonsense Apple has been increasingly
    adding to new macOS versions. :-\

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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, November 13, 2020 17:00:50
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    On 2020-11-13, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    Did your Mac(s) get slow today? https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/jt2zrh/psa_if_your_mac_suddenly_just_got_very_slow_and/
    Wow. I didn't even notice this in 2012 13.3" MBP (Mojave v10.14.6) tho.
    What about the rest of you?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    My wife complained yesterday evening that our 2019 16-inch MacBook Pro
    was stalled with various apps becoming unresponsive. A restart fixed the
    issue. I haven't bothered to check the logs to see if this same issue
    was in play since the restart resolved the issue.

    No issues on any of our other Macs. And I haven't heard about this issue
    from any of our friends, family, coworkers, or clients.

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  • From Alan Ralph@usenet@alanralph.co.uk to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, November 13, 2020 17:55:54
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    On 2020-11-13 at 4:10:06 am GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/jt2zrh/psa_if_your_mac_suddenly_just_got_very_slow_and/

    Wow. I didn't even notice this in 2012 13.3" MBP (Mojave v10.14.6) tho.
    What about the rest of you?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    Coincidentally, my mum's 2014 21.5" iMac decided to install an update to
    Mojave this morning, and proceeded to spend most of the morning unresponsive.
    I was eventually able to coax it back to the point where I could login, but that process was painful! Weirdest part was that keyboard and mouse worked
    fine when I ran Hardware Diagnostic, but refused to work at login screen after boot-up, or even in Recovery Mode.

    Admittedly, running from a hard disk didn't help matters, but even so I've never seen a Mac act like that before. (And yes, I'm going to get it running off an external SSD shortly, which should do wonders for its performance.)


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  • From RocketSurgeon@48forward@gmail.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, November 13, 2020 12:39:04
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    On 11/12/20 8:10 PM, Ant wrote:
    Did your Mac(s) get slow today? https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/jt2zrh/psa_if_your_mac_suddenly_just_got_very_slow_and/
    Wow. I didn't even notice this in 2012 13.3" MBP (Mojave v10.14.6) tho.
    What about the rest of you?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


    Neither MacBook Pros are slow, and the late 2013 is now running Big Sur.
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  • From Neill Massello@nmassello@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, November 13, 2020 21:43:38
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    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened. This is a major design
    defect in macOS. Unless you were explicitly sold a network computer, your
    whole machine should not become unusable just because some server somewhere is unreachable. With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar class action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.


    <https://tidbits.com/2020/11/13/apple-network-failure-destroys-an-afternoon-of-worldwide-mac-productivity/>



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  • From Addictive@colours@shades.of.grey to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, November 13, 2020 22:59:36
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    On 13 Nov 2020 at 22:43:38 CET, "Neill Massello" <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened. This is a major design defect in macOS. Unless you were explicitly sold a network computer, your whole machine should not become unusable just because some server somewhere is
    unreachable. With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar class action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.



    <https://tidbits.com/2020/11/13/apple-network-failure-destroys-an-afternoon-of-worldwide-mac-productivity/>

    Yep, I had the same thing happening here and blamed it to an new update from
    an app that had been sleeping for more than ten years.

    Anyway, here's some more food for thought:

    https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/


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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 01:22:13
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    In message <i17se2F4vbhU3@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-13, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/jt2zrh/psa_if_your_mac_suddenly_just_got_very_slow_and/
    Wow. I didn't even notice this in 2012 13.3" MBP (Mojave v10.14.6) tho.
    What about the rest of you?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    My wife complained yesterday evening that our 2019 16-inch MacBook Pro
    was stalled with various apps becoming unresponsive. A restart fixed the issue. I haven't bothered to check the logs to see if this same issue
    was in play since the restart resolved the issue.

    No issues on any of our other Macs. And I haven't heard about this issue
    from any of our friends, family, coworkers, or clients.

    My machine was extremely slow for a couple of hours, and friends on slack almost all reported serious issues. However, most of us assumed it was
    an issue in Big Sur RC as we are all running the beta.

    It was annoying, but we got around it by redirecting the Apple
    gatekeeper server to 0.0.0.0 in /etc/hosts/ Once the problem cleared up,
    I we removed the entry and all was back to normal.

    I didn't note the name of the specific server.

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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 01:25:17
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    In message <romhb9$nk2$1@dont-email.me> Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:
    On 2020-11-13 at 4:10:06 am GMT, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/jt2zrh/psa_if_your_mac_suddenly_just_got_very_slow_and/

    Wow. I didn't even notice this in 2012 13.3" MBP (Mojave v10.14.6) tho.
    What about the rest of you?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    Coincidentally, my mum's 2014 21.5" iMac decided to install an update to Mojave this morning, and proceeded to spend most of the morning unresponsive.

    Apple patched all their supported OS versions.

    Admittedly, running from a hard disk didn't help matters, but even so I've never seen a Mac act like that before. (And yes, I'm going to get it running off an external SSD shortly, which should do wonders for its performance.)

    If it is a TB2 SSD, yes. If it is a USB SSD... well, it'll be a bit
    better, but only a bit.

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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 01:27:41
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    In message <romuma$ov2$1@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened.

    Oh? You're the only person I've heard claim it has happened before.

    With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar

    A right, you’re one of those. FUck off.

    The problem was easily mitigated.

    action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.

    Yeah, it was a super stressful 20 minutes.

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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 03:31:33
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    On 2020-11-14, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    In message <romuma$ov2$1@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened.

    Oh? You're the only person I've heard claim it has happened before.

    With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar

    A right, you’re one of those. FUck off.

    The problem was easily mitigated.

    action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.

    Yeah, it was a super stressful 20 minutes.

    +1

    Restarting cleared the issue for most people.

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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 03:38:25
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    In comp.sys.mac.apps Addictive <colours@shades.of.grey> wrote:
    On 13 Nov 2020 at 22:43:38 CET, "Neill Massello" <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened. This is a major design defect in macOS. Unless you were explicitly sold a network computer, your whole machine should not become unusable just because some server somewhere is
    unreachable. With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar class action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.



    <https://tidbits.com/2020/11/13/apple-network-failure-destroys-an-afternoon-of-worldwide-mac-productivity/>

    Yep, I had the same thing happening here and blamed it to an new update from an app that had been sleeping for more than ten years.

    What app was it?


    Anyway, here's some more food for thought:

    https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/

    :(
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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 03:39:29
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    In comp.sys.mac.apps Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    In message <romuma$ov2$1@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-12 at 21:10:06 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?

    Yes, and it's not the first time it has happened.

    Oh? You're the only person I've heard claim it has happened before.

    With any luck, Apple will be hit with a billion dollar

    A right, you???re one of those. FUck off.

    The problem was easily mitigated.

    action suit for all of the work time people lost because of this.

    Yeah, it was a super stressful 20 minutes.

    +1

    Restarting cleared the issue for most people.

    And having no Internet. ;)
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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 05:45:00
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    Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-13 04:10:06 +0000, Ant said:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today? https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/jt2zrh/psa_if_your_mac_suddenly_just_got_very_slow_and/

    Wow. I didn't even notice this in 2012 13.3" MBP (Mojave v10.14.6) tho. What about the rest of you?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    No slowness for me that I noticed, but I'm using High Sierra so don't
    have a lot of the stupid security nonsense Apple has been increasingly adding to new macOS versions. :-\

    How come still on High Sierra or is your Mac too old?
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  • From Supermarine Spitfire@spitfire@spitfireflyinghigh.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 14:07:58
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    On 2020-11-14 at 1:25:17 am GMT, "Lewis" <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

    In message <romhb9$nk2$1@dont-email.me> Alan Ralph <usenet@alanralph.co.uk> wrote:
    Admittedly, running from a hard disk didn't help matters, but even so I've >> never seen a Mac act like that before. (And yes, I'm going to get it running
    off an external SSD shortly, which should do wonders for its performance.)

    If it is a TB2 SSD, yes. If it is a USB SSD... well, it'll be a bit
    better, but only a bit.

    I'll be connecting it to one of the two Thunderbolt ports on the back of the iMac — I used that arrangement before with my old 2011 iMac and it worked really well.


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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 16:30:10
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    On 2020-11-14, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
    In message <i17se2F4vbhU3@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-13, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/jt2zrh/psa_if_your_mac_suddenly_just_got_very_slow_and/
    Wow. I didn't even notice this in 2012 13.3" MBP (Mojave v10.14.6) tho. >>> What about the rest of you?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    My wife complained yesterday evening that our 2019 16-inch MacBook Pro
    was stalled with various apps becoming unresponsive. A restart fixed the
    issue. I haven't bothered to check the logs to see if this same issue
    was in play since the restart resolved the issue.

    No issues on any of our other Macs. And I haven't heard about this issue
    from any of our friends, family, coworkers, or clients.

    My machine was extremely slow for a couple of hours, and friends on slack almost all reported serious issues. However, most of us assumed it was
    an issue in Big Sur RC as we are all running the beta.

    It was annoying, but we got around it by redirecting the Apple
    gatekeeper server to 0.0.0.0 in /etc/hosts/ Once the problem cleared up,
    I we removed the entry and all was back to normal.

    I didn't note the name of the specific server.

    ocsp.apple.com

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  • From Neill Massello@nmassello@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 19:47:30
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    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it by
    turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid design on Apple's part.



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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 15, 2020 09:30:36
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    On 2020-11-14 11:45:00 +0000, Ant said:
    Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-13 04:10:06 +0000, Ant said:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/jt2zrh/psa_if_your_mac_suddenly_just_got_very_slow_and/


    Wow. I didn't even notice this in 2012 13.3" MBP (Mojave v10.14.6) tho.
    What about the rest of you?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    No slowness for me that I noticed, but I'm using High Sierra so don't
    have a lot of the stupid security nonsense Apple has been increasingly
    adding to new macOS versions. :-\

    How come still on High Sierra or is your Mac too old?

    Nope. It will run all the newer macOS versions, including Big Sur, but
    I don't see any real benefits in updating, and there some negatives ...
    plus I don't have time to try and solve all the issues with apps that
    may occur when I've already got a computer that is working perfectly
    well. As the old saying goes: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

    My old beige G3 lasted me 20 years and I only really upgraded that to
    MacOS 10.2 because the morons at Vodafone New Zealand screwed up their
    servers so that MacOS 9 users with dial-up could no longer log in to
    the internet. Eventually it died with a hardware failure, otherwise I'd
    still be using it now. I've also got the same car I've had for about 23
    years too.


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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 14:52:45
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    In comp.sys.mac.apps Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it by turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid design on Apple's part.

    Wait. This happened in the past? :(
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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 15:10:48
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    Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 11:45:00 +0000, Ant said:
    Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-13 04:10:06 +0000, Ant said:

    Did your Mac(s) get slow today?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/jt2zrh/psa_if_your_mac_suddenly_just_got_very_slow_and/


    Wow. I didn't even notice this in 2012 13.3" MBP (Mojave v10.14.6) tho. >>> What about the rest of you?

    Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    No slowness for me that I noticed, but I'm using High Sierra so don't
    have a lot of the stupid security nonsense Apple has been increasingly
    adding to new macOS versions. :-\

    How come still on High Sierra or is your Mac too old?

    Nope. It will run all the newer macOS versions, including Big Sur, but
    I don't see any real benefits in updating, and there some negatives ...
    plus I don't have time to try and solve all the issues with apps that
    may occur when I've already got a computer that is working perfectly
    well. As the old saying goes: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

    Understood. I got tired of upgrading and seeing stuff break as an old
    fart. I saw Apple released updates for old High Sierra on Thursdays. I
    wonder if Apple will still release more updates in the future like they
    do with old iOS v12.4.x (v12.4.9 over a week ago) for older iDevices
    that can't get v13 and up.


    My old beige G3 lasted me 20 years and I only really upgraded that to
    MacOS 10.2 because the morons at Vodafone New Zealand screwed up their servers so that MacOS 9 users with dial-up could no longer log in to
    the internet. Eventually it died with a hardware failure, otherwise I'd still be using it now. I've also got the same car I've had for about 23 years too.

    Wow, dial-up. I still have my old account, but no copper phone line.
    Were you able to keep both classic 9 and OS X? I did that with my old
    15" PB G4 with uhh Tiger v10.4 (whatever the last version to still have classic 9 support)?
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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, November 14, 2020 22:06:03
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-14, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In comp.sys.mac.apps Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it
    by turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid
    design on Apple's part.

    Wait. This happened in the past? :(

    Use your brain. General unresponsiveness can be attributed to other
    issues as well as this one.

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  • From Percival John Hackworth@pjh@nanoworks.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 15, 2020 00:21:33
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 14-Nov-2020 at 11:47:30AM PST, "Neill Massello" <nmassello@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it by turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid design on Apple's part.

    I recall seeing my Chrome slow to a crawl, not resolving DNS and all my tabs not loading which was Version 86.0.4240.183. That's the release that replaced 111 which had some security issues on Android. I tried other apps and nslookup/dig/ping/traceroute on the terminal. They were fine but that version of Chrome would only partially load my pages. Safari, Firefox, Brave and
    Opera had no problems with the same pages. I went back to Version 86.0.4240.111 and the pages loaded fine. I've been waiting ever since for 183 to be upgraded until yesterday when 198 came out. It's fine but this is the reason I keep two versions of DMGs around, even though I have Time Machine running.

    I thought this slowdown might be related but it seems not. When this happened with Chrome was about a week ago and it was only with Chrome.

    This "phone home" process being unblockable on MacOS 11 means I may be leaving MacOS and Apple with my next system. It most certainly won't be one of the Apple M1 systems.

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  • From Neill Massello@nmassello@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 15, 2020 01:02:50
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-14 at 17:21:33 MST, "Percival John Hackworth" <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:

    This "phone home" process being unblockable on MacOS 11 means I may be leaving
    MacOS and Apple with my next system.

    I hear you. It would be nice if some government would step in to stop this snooping, but it seems that even the EU is no longer interested in protecting privacy.



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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps on Sunday, November 15, 2020 14:04:12
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-15 00:21:33 +0000, Percival John Hackworth said:
    On 14-Nov-2020 at 11:47:30AM PST, "Neill Massello" <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it by
    turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid design on >> Apple's part.

    I recall seeing my Chrome slow to a crawl, not resolving DNS and all my tabs not loading which was Version 86.0.4240.183. That's the release that replaced 111 which had some security issues on Android. I tried other apps and nslookup/dig/ping/traceroute on the terminal. They were fine but that version
    of Chrome would only partially load my pages. Safari, Firefox, Brave and Opera had no problems with the same pages. I went back to Version 86.0.4240.111 and the pages loaded fine. I've been waiting ever since for 183
    to be upgraded until yesterday when 198 came out. It's fine but this is the reason I keep two versions of DMGs around, even though I have Time Machine running.

    I thought this slowdown might be related but it seems not. When this happened with Chrome was about a week ago and it was only with Chrome.

    This "phone home" process being unblockable on MacOS 11 means I may be leaving
    MacOS and Apple with my next system. It most certainly won't be one of the Apple M1 systems.

    Chrome is garbage at the best of times - slow, buggy, and seems to make
    *a lot* of unnecessary connections to Google servers compared to other
    web browsers. I only use it for one particular website, and for
    everything else I use Safari and occasionally Firefox.


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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 15, 2020 18:33:17
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-15, Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:
    On 14-Nov-2020 at 11:47:30AM PST, "Neill Massello" <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 at 02:39:29 MST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote:

    And having no Internet. ;)

    Yes. When my system had the same symptoms many weeks ago, I cured it
    by turning of the cable modem and restarting. Again, this is stupid
    design on Apple's part.

    I recall seeing my Chrome slow to a crawl, not resolving DNS and all
    my tabs not loading which was Version 86.0.4240.183. That's the
    release that replaced 111 which had some security issues on Android.
    I tried other apps and nslookup/dig/ping/traceroute on the terminal.
    They were fine but that version of Chrome would only partially load my
    pages. Safari, Firefox, Brave and Opera had no problems with the same
    pages. I went back to Version 86.0.4240.111 and the pages loaded
    fine. I've been waiting ever since for 183 to be upgraded until
    yesterday when 198 came out. It's fine but this is the reason I keep
    two versions of DMGs around, even though I have Time Machine running.

    I thought this slowdown might be related but it seems not. When this
    happened with Chrome was about a week ago and it was only with Chrome.

    That's not the issue being discussed - nor is it necessarily Apple's
    fault - more likely you experienced one of Chrome's many bugs. Chrome is
    about the shittiest choice of browser you can make on Macs - especially
    Mac laptops. Chrome is notorious for hogging CPU/RAM/disk space, and is
    one of the least energy efficient browsers out there - especially
    compared to Safari which is one of the most energy efficient browsers
    available for macOS.

    This "phone home" process being unblockable on MacOS 11 means I may be leaving MacOS and Apple with my next system. It most certainly won't
    be one of the Apple M1 systems.

    LOL...

    Bye, Felicia.

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  • From Jolly Roger@jollyroger@pobox.com to comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, November 15, 2020 18:39:08
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2020-11-15, Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 at 17:21:33 MST, "Percival John Hackworth" <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:

    This "phone home" process being unblockable on MacOS 11 means I may
    be leaving MacOS and Apple with my next system.

    I hear you. It would be nice if some government would step in to stop
    this snooping, but it seems that even the EU is no longer interested
    in protecting privacy.

    LOL... Such ignorance on display here.

    The process is "blockable" with a one-line addition to the hosts file,
    which has been discussed in this very thread. That said, blocking it indefinitely is a very bad idea, since you are disabling the mechanism
    that ensures software using revoked certificates (usually due to malware/adware/spyware being bundled) won't run on your Mac.

    But more importantly, validating encryption certificates isn't
    "snooping". If you think that's "snooping", just wait 'till you smooth
    brains learn about secured web connections! OH MY!!! SNOOPS-R-US! : O

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