Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
On 2/19/21 3:31 PM, Ant wrote:
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
Quit option in the Menu.
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
On 2021-02-19 22:56:25 +0000, Snowshed. said:
On 2/19/21 3:31 PM, Ant wrote:
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
Quit option in the Menu.
Some apps auto-quit when you click on teh red "traffic light" window
gadget. Usually it's smaller utility ones like Calculator.
I don't know if it's still around, but there used to be an app which auto-quit other apps that don't have any open windows.
Ant wrote:
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
I don't quit apps I use all the time (Safari, Mail, Word, Excel), others I quit by Cmd+Q.
On 2021-02-19 23:00:53 +0000, Krzysztof Mitko said:
Ant wrote:
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
I don't quit apps I use all the time (Safari, Mail, Word, Excel), others I >> quit by Cmd+Q.
I have always used CMD-Q, been on a Mac since 1992.
Beginning in the past month I have finally stopped quiting a number of
apps, in fact I wrote a macro (Keyboard Maestro) to put up a display
saying "why quit" whenever I instinctively press CMD-Q.
I've always done this to "free up resources" but have been told
repeatedly for the last few years that the Mac frees up no conspicuous resources in this way.
Since Pages, Numbers and Keynote all take a moment to start up, and
show me the open/save dialogue which I don't want, I've set them up to
run all the time.
And another half dozen too: Preview, DEVONThink, Affinity Design and
Photo, iTunes, and HoudaSpot.
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
On 2021-02-20 03:31:14 +0000, gtr said:
On 2021-02-19 23:00:53 +0000, Krzysztof Mitko said:
Ant wrote:
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use
the quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the
app's GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in
the background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
I don't quit apps I use all the time (Safari, Mail, Word, Excel),
others I quit by Cmd+Q.
I have always used CMD-Q, been on a Mac since 1992.
Beginning in the past month I have finally stopped quiting a number
of apps, in fact I wrote a macro (Keyboard Maestro) to put up a
display saying "why quit" whenever I instinctively press CMD-Q.
I've always done this to "free up resources" but have been told
repeatedly for the last few years that the Mac frees up no
conspicuous resources in this way.
Whoever told you that doesn't know what they're talking about.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle?
I always use the quit option to free up resources, but I see some
people use the app's GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still
running
in the background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Some apps auto-quit when you click on teh red "traffic light" window
gadget. Usually it's smaller utility ones like Calculator.
On 19/02/2021 23:58, Your Name wrote:
Some apps auto-quit when you click on teh red "traffic light" window gadget. Usually it's smaller utility ones like Calculator.
More specifically, apps that only run in a single window will quit when
you close that window. Whereas apps that are designed to open multiple
In article <s0qrgq$13kp$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
On 19/02/2021 23:58, Your Name wrote:
Some apps auto-quit when you click on teh red "traffic light" window
gadget. Usually it's smaller utility ones like Calculator.
More specifically, apps that only run in a single window will quit when
you close that window. Whereas apps that are designed to open multiple
Still.....it depends. Activity Monitor continues when you close
all the windows.
Quicktime continues with no windows until you switch to another
application.
The only sure action is to close the window it's on. If you aren't
sure, check the dock.
On 19/02/2021 23:58, Your Name wrote:
Some apps auto-quit when you click on teh red "traffic light" window
gadget. Usually it's smaller utility ones like Calculator.
More specifically, apps that only run in a single window will quit when
you close that window.
Whereas apps that are designed to open multiple
documents at once will stay open, so you can still open another document immediately after closing the last one.
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Ant wrote:
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
I don't quit apps I use all the time (Safari, Mail, Word, Excel), others I quit by Cmd+Q.
That depends.
I often close Chrome and LyX via red dot, because I use them so often
but ones that I really want to close I CMD-Q(uit)...
In message <i9cpcgFg008U3@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
That depends.
I often close Chrome and LyX via red dot, because I use them so often
but ones that I really want to close I CMD-Q(uit)...
Well, if you are using Chrome you do not care about your computers
battery or resources. Chrome is a horrible pig of an app, reminiscent
of the bad old days of Internet Exploder.
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
On 2021-02-20, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
In message <i9cpcgFg008U3@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
That depends.
I often close Chrome and LyX via red dot, because I use them so often
but ones that I really want to close I CMD-Q(uit)...
Well, if you are using Chrome you do not care about your computers
battery or resources. Chrome is a horrible pig of an app, reminiscent
of the bad old days of Internet Exploder.
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome. >
Best Web Browsers That Conserve Battery Life on a Mac <https://www.guidingtech.com/59385/battery-conserving-mac-browsers/>
---
Safari ...
In article <i9d1oiFhk6fU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable they
are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and performance just
to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
On 2021-02-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <i9d1oiFhk6fU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable they
are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and performance just
to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable they
are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and performance just
to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
My thought? Pure, unadulterated ignorance, and not enough knowledge to
even be interested in learning.
On 2021-02-20 13:12, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-02-20, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
In message <i9cpcgFg008U3@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
That depends.
I often close Chrome and LyX via red dot, because I use them so often
but ones that I really want to close I CMD-Q(uit)...
Well, if you are using Chrome you do not care about your computers
battery or resources. Chrome is a horrible pig of an app, reminiscent
of the bad old days of Internet Exploder.
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome. >
Best Web Browsers That Conserve Battery Life on a Mac
<https://www.guidingtech.com/59385/battery-conserving-mac-browsers/>
---
Safari ...
I'd happily use Safari except for the one thing that annoys the crap out
of me - it doesn't use website icons in the bookmark bar. These are
nice to use because of colour and minimal (or no) text. I'm very visual
and such is nice. Safari had this about ... 8 years ago ... but it got
lost along the way.
I've switched from Chrome to Brave to reduce chaff ...
In article <s0roni$b0u$1@dont-email.me>, Snowshed. <kcomptutor@q.com>
wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to
Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable
they are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and
performance just to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
My thought? Pure, unadulterated ignorance, and not enough knowledge
to even be interested in learning.
how is it 'unadulterated ignorance' if a plug-in only exists for
chrome?
In article <s0roni$b0u$1@dont-email.me>, Snowshed. <kcomptutor@q.com>
wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable they
are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and performance just
to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
My thought? Pure, unadulterated ignorance, and not enough knowledge to
even be interested in learning.
how is it 'unadulterated ignorance' if a plug-in only exists for chrome?
On 2021-02-20, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-20 13:12, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-02-20, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
In message <i9cpcgFg008U3@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
That depends.
I often close Chrome and LyX via red dot, because I use them so often >>>>> but ones that I really want to close I CMD-Q(uit)...
Well, if you are using Chrome you do not care about your computers
battery or resources. Chrome is a horrible pig of an app, reminiscent
of the bad old days of Internet Exploder.
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome. >
Best Web Browsers That Conserve Battery Life on a Mac
<https://www.guidingtech.com/59385/battery-conserving-mac-browsers/>
---
Safari ...
I'd happily use Safari except for the one thing that annoys the crap out
of me - it doesn't use website icons in the bookmark bar. These are
nice to use because of colour and minimal (or no) text. I'm very visual
and such is nice. Safari had this about ... 8 years ago ... but it got
lost along the way.
I've switched from Chrome to Brave to reduce chaff ...
To each his own, but there is no way I would make such sacrifices just
for some icons on a list. I barely use bookmarks as it is though. I have
a collection that sit in my favorites bar, but I rarely touch anything
else.
On 2021-02-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <s0roni$b0u$1@dont-email.me>, Snowshed. <kcomptutor@q.com>
wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to
Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable
they are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and
performance just to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
My thought? Pure, unadulterated ignorance, and not enough knowledge
to even be interested in learning.
how is it 'unadulterated ignorance' if a plug-in only exists for
chrome?
I'm willing to bet you most people who run Chrome are ignorant regarding
the inherent security, privacy, and performance issues that come along
for the ride.
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to
Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable
they are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and
performance just to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
My thought? Pure, unadulterated ignorance, and not enough knowledge
to even be interested in learning.
how is it 'unadulterated ignorance' if a plug-in only exists for
chrome?
I'm willing to bet you most people who run Chrome are ignorant regarding
the inherent security, privacy, and performance issues that come along
for the ride.
On 2/20/21 12:57 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-02-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <s0roni$b0u$1@dont-email.me>, Snowshed. <kcomptutor@q.com>
wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to
Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable
they are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and
performance just to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
My thought? Pure, unadulterated ignorance, and not enough
knowledge to even be interested in learning.
how is it 'unadulterated ignorance' if a plug-in only exists for
chrome?
I'm willing to bet you most people who run Chrome are ignorant
regarding the inherent security, privacy, and performance issues that
come along for the ride.
I would swap out "Chrome" and replace it with "their computer".
On 2/20/21 12:29 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-02-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <i9d1oiFhk6fU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable they
are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and performance just
to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
My thought? Pure, unadulterated ignorance, and not enough knowledge to
even be interested in learning.
On 2021-02-20, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-20 13:12, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-02-20, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
In message <i9cpcgFg008U3@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
That depends.
I often close Chrome and LyX via red dot, because I use them so often >>>>> but ones that I really want to close I CMD-Q(uit)...
Well, if you are using Chrome you do not care about your computers
battery or resources. Chrome is a horrible pig of an app, reminiscent
of the bad old days of Internet Exploder.
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome. >
Best Web Browsers That Conserve Battery Life on a Mac
<https://www.guidingtech.com/59385/battery-conserving-mac-browsers/>
---
Safari ...
I'd happily use Safari except for the one thing that annoys the crap out
of me - it doesn't use website icons in the bookmark bar. These are [1] >> nice to use because of colour and minimal (or no) text. I'm very visual
and such is nice. Safari had this about ... 8 years ago ... but it got
lost along the way.
I've switched from Chrome to Brave to reduce chaff ...
To each his own, but there is no way I would make such sacrifices just
for some icons on a list. I barely use bookmarks as it is though. I have
a collection that sit in my favorites bar, but I rarely touch anything
else.
On 2021-02-20, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
In message <i9cpcgFg008U3@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
That depends.
I often close Chrome and LyX via red dot, because I use them so often
but ones that I really want to close I CMD-Q(uit)...
Well, if you are using Chrome you do not care about your computers
battery or resources. Chrome is a horrible pig of an app, reminiscent
of the bad old days of Internet Exploder.
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
I'd happily use Safari except for the one thing that annoys the crap out
of me - it doesn't use website icons in the bookmark bar.
On 2021-02-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <i9d1oiFhk6fU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable they
are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and performance just
to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
Am 20.02.21 um 20:29 schrieb Jolly Roger:
On 2021-02-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <i9d1oiFhk6fU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable they
are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and performance just
to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
Often Safari is the worst choice of all
Just try to run BigBlueButton in Safari. Provided it works at all (newer versions of Safari do, sort of) you miss several options in BBB.
In general Safari is a terrible choice for Video-discussions.
On 2021-02-21 2:01 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 20.02.21 um 20:29 schrieb Jolly Roger:
On 2021-02-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <i9d1oiFhk6fU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable they
are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and performance just
to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
Often Safari is the worst choice of all
Just try to run BigBlueButton in Safari. Provided it works at all
(newer versions of Safari do, sort of) you miss several options in BBB.
Options such as...?
Because the only thing that the folks at BBB say is that Firefox or
Chrome will deliver better audio when bandwidth is limited.
In general Safari is a terrible choice for Video-discussions.
In message <GQcYH.31080$bg6.13809@fx36.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
I'd happily use Safari except for the one thing that annoys the crap out
of me - it doesn't use website icons in the bookmark bar.
The what? DO you mean the Bookmark sidebar? Because favicons are shown
on my screen. Bit that I have ever used the Bookmark sidebar. The last [1]
dozen times (over the last decade?) I made a bookmark was when I hit ⌘-F and miss.
In message <i9d1oiFhk6fU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-20, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
In message <i9cpcgFg008U3@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
That depends.
I often close Chrome and LyX via red dot, because I use them so
often but ones that I really want to close I CMD-Q(uit)...
Well, if you are using Chrome you do not care about your computers
battery or resources. Chrome is a horrible pig of an app,
reminiscent of the bad old days of Internet Exploder.
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
For some people, the same reason people used IE, websites are broken
to work properly only on Chrome.
For example, for my wife to get the W-2 she has to login to the
employer and load the W2 and then print, In Safari or Firfox, the W-2
prints with the numbers reversed (actually, printed backwards and
mirror images). To get a readable W-2, she had to use Chrome. Many of
her employers tools for WFH are Chrome specific and simply do not work properly in other browsers, even Chromium. I have no idea how they are fucking up so completely, but it is definitely an issue.
On 2021-02-20 20:40, Lewis wrote:
In message <GQcYH.31080$bg6.13809@fx36.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
I'd happily use Safari except for the one thing that annoys the crap out >>> of me - it doesn't use website icons in the bookmark bar.
The what? DO you mean the Bookmark sidebar? Because favicons are shown
on my screen. Bit that I have ever used the Bookmark sidebar. The last [1]
dozen times (over the last decade?) I made a bookmark was when I hit ⌘-F >> and miss.
No. I mean the bar under the URL entry line.
Oddly, if the setting in Safari is to "open new window with
'Favourites'" then it shows the Favicons (large - in the page space).
[1] above: As to the sidebar, I had never noticed the favicons are presented there - strange to put them where seldom used, but not put
them in the bar under the URL line. Johnny Ive must of porked that one.
In message <_kuYH.124856$Mo2.83826@fx47.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-20 20:40, Lewis wrote:
In message <GQcYH.31080$bg6.13809@fx36.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
I'd happily use Safari except for the one thing that annoys the crap out >>>> of me - it doesn't use website icons in the bookmark bar.
The what? DO you mean the Bookmark sidebar? Because favicons are shown
on my screen. Bit that I have ever used the Bookmark sidebar. The last [1]
dozen times (over the last decade?) I made a bookmark was when I hit ⌘-F >>> and miss.
No. I mean the bar under the URL entry line.
that is not called "Bookmark bar" so that's why I didn’t know what you meant. Also, I have not had that turned on in... forever.
Oddly, if the setting in Safari is to "open new window with
'Favourites'" then it shows the Favicons (large - in the page space).
Seems useful.
On 2021-02-21 13:25, Lewis wrote:
In message <_kuYH.124856$Mo2.83826@fx47.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-20 20:40, Lewis wrote:
In message <GQcYH.31080$bg6.13809@fx36.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
I'd happily use Safari except for the one thing that annoys the crap out >>>>> of me - it doesn't use website icons in the bookmark bar.
The what? DO you mean the Bookmark sidebar? Because favicons are shown >>>> on my screen. Bit that I have ever used the Bookmark sidebar. The last [1]
dozen times (over the last decade?) I made a bookmark was when I hit ⌘-F >>>> and miss.
No. I mean the bar under the URL entry line.
that is not called "Bookmark bar" so that's why I didn’t know what you
meant. Also, I have not had that turned on in... forever.
Regardless, it's a fine place to keep most used sites. In that vein,
best with the favicons - not text.
Oddly, if the setting in Safari is to "open new window with
'Favourites'" then it shows the Favicons (large - in the page space).
Seems useful.
Not very if one uses the favicons as I prefer.
Whether direct to a different site from the page I'm in or opening an
new tab/window - the favs are always in the same location on the bar.
Visual and quick.
On 2021-02-21 13:25, Lewis wrote:
In message <_kuYH.124856$Mo2.83826@fx47.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-20 20:40, Lewis wrote:
In message <GQcYH.31080$bg6.13809@fx36.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
I'd happily use Safari except for the one thing that annoys the
crap out of me - it doesn't use website icons in the bookmark bar.
The what? DO you mean the Bookmark sidebar? Because favicons are
shown on my screen. Bit that I have ever used the Bookmark sidebar.
The last [1] dozen times (over the last decade?) I made a
bookmark was when I hit ⌘-F and miss.
No. I mean the bar under the URL entry line.
that is not called "Bookmark bar" so that's why I didn’t know what
you meant. Also, I have not had that turned on in... forever.
Regardless, it's a fine place to keep most used sites. In that vein,
best with the favicons - not text.
In message <xozYH.116864$Jc7.13509@fx18.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-21 13:25, Lewis wrote:
Not very if one uses the favicons as I prefer.
You just said the favorite landing screen shows the icons, and i does.
And the sidebar also shows them. So you have options if favicons are
that important to you.
Whether direct to a different site from the page I'm in or opening an
new tab/window - the favs are always in the same location on the bar.
Visual and quick.
I don't think the icons in the sidebar move.
On 2021-02-21 15:57, Lewis wrote:
In message <xozYH.116864$Jc7.13509@fx18.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-21 13:25, Lewis wrote:
Not very if one uses the favicons as I prefer.
You just said the favorite landing screen shows the icons, and i does.
So what. What if I'm on a screen and done. So just look up, spot the favicon for the page I want and done.
And the sidebar also shows them. So you have options if favicons are
that important to you.
Sure do. Brave, Chrome, Firefox : all show the favicons in the bar
under the URL area. Not Safari. (Opera too I guess - but it's been a
long time...).
Whether direct to a different site from the page I'm in or opening an
new tab/window - the favs are always in the same location on the bar.
Visual and quick.
I don't think the icons in the sidebar move.
I was talking about a new window with favourites - they tend to be
sorted by usage
(not sure about Safari - but I don't care - I want them where I want
them).
In message <i9cpcgFg008U3@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
That depends.
I often close Chrome and LyX via red dot, because I use them so often
but ones that I really want to close I CMD-Q(uit)...
Well, if you are using Chrome you do not care about your computers
battery or resources. Chrome is a horrible pig of an app, reminiscent of the bad old days of Internet Exploder.
I don't care much about the battery of my iMac Retina 2015 with 32HB at
the practice or about the battery on my MacPro 2013 64 GB at home.
In message <i9h8grFcbd2U1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
I don't care much about the battery of my iMac Retina 2015 with 32HB at
the practice or about the battery on my MacPro 2013 64 GB at home.
Do you care about the power it pulls and the heat it generates? Do you
care about the speed of the browser? Do you care about your security and privacy? Do you care about the impact of your browser on the rest of
your apps (you know, the ones doing real work)?
I can say that I do not miss the days of Chrome using 45% of my CPU and
30GB or RAM just because it was open.
Safari > Firefox >>> Chrome.
The other chromium browsers fit in somewhere between Firefox and Chrome.
Edge seems to be the best in terms of not being shitty but still working
well with most (but not all) plugins with ease.
I don't care much about the battery of my iMac Retina 2015 with 32HB at
the practice or about the battery on my MacPro 2013 64 GB at home. I am satisfied with the battery on my MacBook 2020 (Intel) 32 GB for the practice/home and the MacBook Air 2020 (Intel) with 16GB. All running
the latest Catalina, regular Homebrew updates and hardly any plugins in Chrome.
What resources do you want me to worry about on those machines exactly?
On 2021-02-22 08:32:25 +0000, Dr Eberhard Lisse said:
I don't care much about the battery of my iMac Retina 2015 with 32HB
at the practice or about the battery on my MacPro 2013 64 GB at home.
I am satisfied with the battery on my MacBook 2020 (Intel) 32 GB for
the practice/home and the MacBook Air 2020 (Intel) with 16GB. All
running the latest Catalina, regular Homebrew updates and hardly any
plugins in Chrome.
What resources do you want me to worry about on those machines
exactly?
As posted before, Chrome can use up to 10 times more RAM than Safari.
That in turn can mean more RAM<->disk swapping, which then eats into
the lifespan of your boot drive.
In message <i9h8grFcbd2U1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
I don't care much about the battery of my iMac Retina 2015 with 32HB
at the practice or about the battery on my MacPro 2013 64 GB at home.
Do you care about the power it pulls and the heat it generates? Do you
care about the speed of the browser? Do you care about your security
and privacy? Do you care about the impact of your browser on the rest
of your apps (you know, the ones doing real work)?
I can say that I do not miss the days of Chrome using 45% of my CPU
and 30GB or RAM just because it was open.
Safari > Firefox >>> Chrome.
The other chromium browsers fit in somewhere between Firefox and
Chrome. Edge seems to be the best in terms of not being shitty but
still working well with most (but not all) plugins with ease.
In message <xozYH.116864$Jc7.13509@fx18.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Not very if one uses the favicons as I prefer.
You just said the favorite landing screen shows the icons, and i does.
And the sidebar also shows them. So you have options if favicons are
that important to you.
In message <QGCYH.1440$v57.927@fx08.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-21 15:57, Lewis wrote:
In message <xozYH.116864$Jc7.13509@fx18.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-21 13:25, Lewis wrote:
Not very if one uses the favicons as I prefer.
You just said the favorite landing screen shows the icons, and i does.
So what. What if I'm on a screen and done. So just look up, spot the
favicon for the page I want and done.
And the sidebar also shows them. So you have options if favicons are
that important to you.
Sure do. Brave, Chrome, Firefox : all show the favicons in the bar
under the URL area. Not Safari. (Opera too I guess - but it's been a
long time...).
Whether direct to a different site from the page I'm in or opening an
new tab/window - the favs are always in the same location on the bar.
Visual and quick.
I don't think the icons in the sidebar move.
I was talking about a new window with favourites - they tend to be
sorted by usage
Which is why I said the ones in the sidebar did not move. Duh.
(not sure about Safari - but I don't care - I want them where I want
them).
Stodginess and inflexibility.
Here in Namibia
On 2021-02-22 16:21, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
Here in Namibia
There in Namnia can you reply under the prior comment as nettiquette requests?
And we like Hamberders here to.
el
On 2021-02-22 23:25 , Alan Browne wrote:
On 2021-02-22 16:21, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
Here in Namibia
There in Namnia can you reply under the prior comment as nettiquette
requests?
And we like Hamberders here to.
On 2021-02-22, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
And we like Hamberders here to.
el
On 2021-02-22 23:25 , Alan Browne wrote:
On 2021-02-22 16:21, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
Here in Namibia
There in Namnia can you reply under the prior comment as nettiquette
requests?
*plonk*
Fuck off, asshole.
In article <s0roni$b0u$1@dont-email.me>, Snowshed. <kcomptutor@q.com>
wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people gleefully flock to Chrome.
a lot of plugins are chrome only.
I have to wonder which plugins these people find so indispensable they
are willing to sacrifice their security, privacy, and performance just
to run them. Surely there are alternatives.
My thought? Pure, unadulterated ignorance, and not enough knowledge to
even be interested in learning.
how is it 'unadulterated ignorance' if a plug-in only exists for chrome?
Ok, Whats this chrome thing?
In article <s1heq7$pbp$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
Ok, What¹s this ³chrome² thing?
the most popular web browser.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <s1heq7$pbp$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
Ok, What¹s this ³chrome² thing?
the most popular web browser.
I don’t need a whole assortment and don’t judge by “popularity” anyway.
In article <s1heq7$pbp$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
Ok, What¹s this ³chrome² thing?
the most popular web browser.
On 2021-03-01, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <s1heq7$pbp$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
Ok, What¹s this ³chrome² thing?
the most popular web browser.
Chrome is also one of the *shittiest* browsers in terms of energy
efficiency (battery), memory efficiency, disk space efficiency, and performance - not to mention privacy.
On 3/1/21 8:14 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-03-01, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <s1heq7$pbp$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
Ok, Whats this chrome thing?
the most popular web browser.
Chrome is also one of the *shittiest* browsers in terms of energy
efficiency (battery), memory efficiency, disk space efficiency, and
performance - not to mention privacy.
And, are you inferring those are bad things??
:)
On 3/1/21 8:14 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-03-01, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:And, are you inferring those are bad things??
In article <s1heq7$pbp$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
Ok, What¹s this ³chrome² thing?
the most popular web browser.
Chrome is also one of the *shittiest* browsers in terms of energy
efficiency (battery), memory efficiency, disk space efficiency, and
performance - not to mention privacy.
On 2021-03-01, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <s1heq7$pbp$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
Ok, What¹s this ³chrome² thing?
the most popular web browser.
Chrome is also one of the *shittiest* browsers in terms of energy
efficiency (battery), memory efficiency, disk space efficiency, and performance - not to mention privacy.
Am 01.03.21 um 02:27 schrieb Erilar:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <s1heq7$pbp$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
Ok, What¹s this ³chrome² thing?
the most popular web browser.
I don’t need a whole assortment and don’t judge by “popularity” anyway.
Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
Am 01.03.21 um 02:27 schrieb Erilar:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <s1heq7$pbp$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
Ok, What¹s this ³chrome² thing?
the most popular web browser.
I don’t need a whole assortment and don’t judge by “popularity”
anyway.
Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails
miserably
Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away from
them!
As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives relieve me of
a need to become an expert.
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:[...]
[...]Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably
Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away from
them! As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives relieve me
of a need to become an expert.
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
el
On 02/03/2021 03:08, Erilar wrote:
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:[...]
[...]Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably
Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away from
them! As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives relieve me >> of a need to become an expert.
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:[...]
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about
this? Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not
provide the features other browsers allow with these video
conferencing systems, or because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed. It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
el
On 02/03/2021 03:08, Erilar wrote:
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:[...]
Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably >>>Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away
from them! As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives
relieve me of a need to become an expert.
On 2021-02-22, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2021-02-22 08:32:25 +0000, Dr Eberhard Lisse said:
I don't care much about the battery of my iMac Retina 2015 with 32HB
at the practice or about the battery on my MacPro 2013 64 GB at home.
I am satisfied with the battery on my MacBook 2020 (Intel) 32 GB for
the practice/home and the MacBook Air 2020 (Intel) with 16GB. All
running the latest Catalina, regular Homebrew updates and hardly any
plugins in Chrome.
What resources do you want me to worry about on those machines
exactly?
As posted before, Chrome can use up to 10 times more RAM than Safari.
That in turn can mean more RAM<->disk swapping, which then eats into
the lifespan of your boot drive.
Yep.
Some people seem to just do what they want to do, and make up their own alternative facts to justify it later on. Joke's on them.
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about
this?
Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about
this?
Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it, cause
the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized. No matter
which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about
this?
Safari fails miserably in these programs
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in
Chrome
Oh, and I just signed up for BigBlueButton so that I could try it in
Safari. Shocking to you...
...but it just works.
On 2021-03-02 4:47 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
In what particular does it not work?
Be specific?
On 2021-03-02 4:47 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about
this?
Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the >> features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or
because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
You'd think that if it didn't work correctly in Safari, they would have
said something, huh?
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-02 4:47 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:In what particular does it not work?
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it >>> to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome >>
Be specific?
Try actually using audio.
<https://i.imgur.com/OOyul46.png>
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if you're the teacher.
I love theoreticians.
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No problem at all.
I love theoreticians.
And we hate lying cunts,
On 2021-03-02, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-02 4:47 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't >>>> participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it >>>> to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
In what particular does it not work?
Be specific?
Try actually using audio.
<https://i.imgur.com/OOyul46.png>
No such message here. I participated in a Zoom call through my Safari
web browser recently. On that call I heard 20+ other people, and they
heard me, without issue. I suspect your PEBKAC.
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about this? Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
el
On 02/03/2021 03:08, Erilar wrote:
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:[...]
[...]Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably >>>Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away from
them! As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives relieve me >>> of a need to become an expert.
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-02 4:47 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:In what particular does it not work?
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it >>> to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome >>
Be specific?
Try actually using audio.
<https://i.imgur.com/OOyul46.png>
Jolly Roger wrote:[...]
No such message here. I participated in a Zoom call through my Safari
web browser recently. On that call I heard 20+ other people, and they
heard me, without issue. I suspect your PEBKAC.
"Participated" as in organized and hosted or merely joined someone else's meeting?
[...]<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if you're the teacher.
Lewis wrote:[...]
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No
problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
I love theoreticians.
And we hate lying cunts,
Go fuck yourself.
On 2/22/21 2:26 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:[...]
Some people seem to just do what they want to do, and make up their own
alternative facts to justify it later on. Joke's on them.
I recommend to my clients to not download or use Chrome unless they
really really want to. The I tell them that is they do, to load as
many extensions s possible. They tell me their friends or someone
online tells them to use Chrome. Hey, I don't care if they don't want
to listen to someone they pay and listen to free advice. As long as
they pay me, I don't care.
I have Chrome on one older MacBook Pro running Catalina. I use only
when someone calls me and is experiencing an issue with it. I have
been Chrome Free on this device and do have to use User Agent from
time to time emulate Chrome in Safari, when requested at a site, for 4
years now. No problem avoiding using the actual application,
"Chrome".
YK
Who cares?
And, what's the issue with just downloading and installing the darned App?
That error message, which I do not get, seems to be an OS message, and I would look in the first instance at whether Chrome has the required permissions in Systems Preferences.
Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
That error message, which I do not get, seems to be an OS message, and I
would look in the first instance at whether Chrome has the required
permissions in Systems Preferences.
This was not Chrome. Do you get the error in Safari? If not, then OK - I guess
something is wrong at my end. If you do - then don't claim things you didn't bother to check.
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if >>> you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No
problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about this? >> Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the
features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or
because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome >>
el
On 02/03/2021 03:08, Erilar wrote:
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:[...]
[...]Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably >>>>Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away from >>>> them! As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives relieve me
of a need to become an expert.
For people claiming zoom works in Safari without issues - please repeat the steps from the movie and confirm you don't get the same error message.
<https://imgur.com/a/tkSsQPj>
Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
Who cares?
And, what's the issue with just downloading and installing the darned App?
Me personally, I have no issue with running the app - I've been doing that for
almost a year now. I'm showing what doesn't work in Safari.
I have zoom, teams, skype, skype for business (those are two different apps), and webex. I would very much prefer a unified protocol which you can use with multiple clients than what we have now.
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big
deal if you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari.
No problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
On 2021-03-03 12:24 a.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the
rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about this?
Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the >>> features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or >>> because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with
Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't
participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it
to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome >>>
el
On 02/03/2021 03:08, Erilar wrote:
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:[...]
[...]Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably
Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away from >>>>> them! As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives relieve me
of a need to become an expert.
For people claiming zoom works in Safari without issues - please repeat the >> steps from the movie and confirm you don't get the same error message.
<https://imgur.com/a/tkSsQPj>
Again, because apparently you're too thick to understand it the first time:
YOU having a problem is no proof that something can't be done in general.
On 2021-03-03 2:10 a.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
Who cares?Me personally, I have no issue with running the app - I've been doing that >> for
And, what's the issue with just downloading and installing the darned App? >>
almost a year now. I'm showing what doesn't work in Safari.
For you. You're showing that it doesn't work in Safari FOR YOU.
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-03 2:10 a.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
Who cares?
And, what's the issue with just downloading and installing the darned App?
Me personally, I have no issue with running the app - I've been doing that
for
almost a year now. I'm showing what doesn't work in Safari.
For you. You're showing that it doesn't work in Safari FOR YOU.
Why should I care if it works for anyone else?
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No >>> problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No >>>> problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
So *I* must be a liar because he thinks that my system cannot have a problem his doesn't have?
If you go for the insults and bad logic, you get insults and bad logic, moron.
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-03 12:24 a.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Am 02.03.21 um 13:16 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Open Source Conferencing Software, running in the browser, all the >>>>> rage around rabid OpenSourcerers :-)-O. They, how do I put it,
cause the ventilators to spin up and are not as featurized.
No matter which browser you use.
Why do you need so many words to tell us that you know jack shit about this?
Safari fails miserably in these programs because it does not provide the >>>> features other browsers allow with these video conferencing systems, or >>>> because it does not work at all
It has nothing to do with "open source", it has everything to do with >>>> Safari being shitty in many aspects
Zoom is an App even though it can run in the browser.
And when you don't want to install the app because you usually don't >>>> participate in zoom meetings, you are nonetheless forced to install it >>>> to be able to participate, even when rarely needed.
It does NOT work correctly in Safari, but it does in Firefox and in Chrome
el
On 02/03/2021 03:08, Erilar wrote:
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:[...]
[...]Then try BigBlueButton or Jitsi or Zoom with Safari. It fails miserably
Whatever the first two may be, the names alone would keep me away from
them! As for Zoom, I use it because some friends and relatives relieve me
of a need to become an expert.
For people claiming zoom works in Safari without issues - please repeat the
steps from the movie and confirm you don't get the same error message. >>>
<https://imgur.com/a/tkSsQPj>
Again, because apparently you're too thick to understand it the first time: >>
YOU having a problem is no proof that something can't be done in general.
Can YOU do it then?
On 2021-03-03, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big
deal if you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari.
No problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
Keep moving that goalpost. First you guys claimed it doesn't work *at*
*all*.
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2021-03-03, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big
deal if you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. >>>> No problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
Keep moving that goalpost. First you guys claimed it doesn't work *at*
*all*.
Who are these guys you speak of? I singular, thank you very much. And that was
my experience. I've never tried to join a meeting using a web client, I was always the host and I explicitely asked you if you joined or organized the meeting, because I thought maybe it's important. Turns out it was.
To be honest,
I think it's a matter of taste and that the extensions people plug in
are the actual memory hogs (I have exactly 3 running).
Very rarely do I encounter a site which doesn't like Chrome. Then I try Firefoxy and if that doesn't work Safari and if all three fail I
contact the web developers (if I can be bothered enough).
It's good to have choices.
greetings, el
On 02/03/2021 16:45, YK wrote:
On 2/22/21 2:26 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:[...]
Some people seem to just do what they want to do, and make up their own
alternative facts to justify it later on. Joke's on them.
I recommend to my clients to not download or use Chrome unless they
really really want to. The I tell them that is they do, to load as
many extensions s possible. They tell me their friends or someone
online tells them to use Chrome. Hey, I don't care if they don't want
to listen to someone they pay and listen to free advice. As long as
they pay me, I don't care.
I have Chrome on one older MacBook Pro running Catalina. I use only
when someone calls me and is experiencing an issue with it. I have
been Chrome Free on this device and do have to use User Agent from
time to time emulate Chrome in Safari, when requested at a site, for 4
years now. No problem avoiding using the actual application,
"Chrome".
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if >>>> you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No
problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No >>>> problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
So *I* must be a liar because he thinks that my system cannot have a problem his doesn't have?
In message <s1oatr$d11$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No >>>> problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
Nope, i think he is a liar because he lied when he claimed, wrongly,
that zoom does not work in Safari and that this is evidence that Safari
is bad.
Zoom works fine in Safari as anyone can test in mere seconds, and as
many of us know since we are occasionally forced to use zoom.
On 2021-03-03, Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big
deal if you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari.
No problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
Keep moving that goalpost. First you guys claimed it doesn't work *at*
*all*. Then you moved to it doesn't work in *macOS* *11.x* (Big Sur),
and now you're moving it to it doesn't work when you are the person
*hosting* the meeting. And with each move, the number of potentially
affected people shrinks.
Speaking of which, a simple web search shows the Zoom developers know
their computer audio SDK is broken for meeting organizers (but not participants) in Safari on macOS and are currently working on fixing
that:
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2021-03-03 2:10 a.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
Who cares?
And, what's the issue with just downloading and installing the darned App?
Me personally, I have no issue with running the app - I've been doing that >>> for
almost a year now. I'm showing what doesn't work in Safari.
For you. You're showing that it doesn't work in Safari FOR YOU.
Why should I care if it works for anyone else?
On 2021-03-03 10:42 a.m., Lewis wrote:
In message <s1oatr$d11$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
On 2021-03-02 11:57 p.m., Krzysztof Mitko wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message <s1mgsl$46n$1@dont-email.me> Krzysztof Mitko
<invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
Here are Zoom's instructions for using Safari:
'Safari
Open Safari.
Go to join.zoom.us.
Enter your meeting ID provided by the host/organizer.
Click Join.'
<https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362593-Launching-Zoom-from-a-web-browser>
… and you end up mute.
Safari 14 on latest Big Sur - no microphone for you. Kind of big deal if
you're the teacher.
You're a liar. I was on a zoom call this past weekend, using Safari. No >>>>> problem at all.
You're a liar. I just tried *hosting* meeting using Safari - no sound.
So HE must be a liar because you think that your system can have a
problem that his doesn't?
Nope, i think he is a liar because he lied when he claimed, wrongly,
that zoom does not work in Safari and that this is evidence that Safari
is bad.
I don't think being wrong is the same as being a liar.
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
In article <KOKdnW3mspnBoa39nZ2dnUU7-amdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) writes:
Hello.
Do you use app's menu's quit or the red solid circle? I always use the
quit option to free up resources, but I see some people use the app's
GUI red solid circle which leaves the app still running in the
background which bog their Macs' resources down. :(
Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
Depends. Some apps really do go away when you close their window (red circle), some don't, but keep running so they'll start up faster next
time (although the OS _can_, if they're properly designed to for
exaple save their data when the last window is closed or when told to
quit, quit them to free up resources, if needed).
I tend to get non-expandable systems maxed out at least on RAM. So I
can afford to leave some things running. If I have too many running,
or plan on doing something intensive (running a few VMs at once, the
browser with 400+ tabs, etc), I may close the ones that are biggest
relative to how long before I expect to use them again.
The automatic behavior of some staying running and being able to be
quit by the system to free resources, is probably "good enough" for
many people most of the time, although different apps do a differently
good or poor job of supporting Automatic Termination and/or Sudden Termination.
Still, a human CAN do better judging what they want to keep hot and
what they don't.
Command-Q will also quit, which may be easier than the app menu. If
you have (depending on OS version) enabled the Dock preference for
showing an indicator for open apps, you can see a tiny marker below
the ones that are actually running, and can occasionally just look at
the Dock and quit from the Dock the ones that seem unnecesary or
excessive,
More details:
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/252483/what-happened-to-automatic-termination
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