• OS 11.2.1 update a disaster?

    From briang@briang@panix.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, February 26, 2021 22:48:01
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    I don't particularly consider myself a rabid early adopter, but I updated to 11.2.1 when it came out. Google Chrome and Roccat didn't take that well at all, hanging up in seconds. Anything relying on external communications was flakey at best. The Brave browser, however, seemed OK so I knew it was software, not hardware.

    11.2.2 seems to have fixed all that.

    Having done Software Q/A for a few years, I am willing to believe that Apple is quite deficient in that area!

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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, February 26, 2021 22:24:08
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    briang@panix.com wrote:
    I don't particularly consider myself a rabid early adopter, but I updated to 11.2.1 when it came out. Google Chrome and Roccat didn't take that well at all, hanging up in seconds. Anything relying on external communications was flakey at best. The Brave browser, however, seemed OK so I knew it was software, not hardware.

    11.2.2 seems to have fixed all that.

    Having done Software Q/A for a few years, I am willing to believe that Apple is
    quite deficient in that area!

    It's not just Apple too. Look at Microsoft, Google, etc. :(
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  • From Neill Massello@nmassello@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, February 28, 2021 02:43:45
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    On 2021-02-26 at 15:48:01 MST, "briang@panix.com" <briang@panix.com> wrote:

    Having done Software Q/A for a few years, I am willing to believe that Apple is
    quite deficient in that area!

    We are all beta testers now.



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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, February 28, 2021 17:36:54
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    On 2021-02-28 02:43:45 +0000, Neill Massello said:
    On 2021-02-26 at 15:48:01 MST, "briang@panix.com" <briang@panix.com> wrote:

    Having done Software Q/A for a few years, I am willing to believe that Apple >> is quite deficient in that area!

    We are all beta testers now.

    It's not just Apple. Microsloth and Adobe also continually release
    updates for their software. It's pretty much the new fad, especially
    since you can't actually buy install disks any longer and the internat
    makes it so easy to get updates.

    Some, including Microsloth and Apple with their office apps, are now
    trying to push everyone into using crappy online versions instead so
    that updates can be done at their end.

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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, February 28, 2021 00:28:20
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    Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    On 2021-02-28 02:43:45 +0000, Neill Massello said:
    On 2021-02-26 at 15:48:01 MST, "briang@panix.com" <briang@panix.com> wrote:

    Having done Software Q/A for a few years, I am willing to believe that Apple
    is quite deficient in that area!

    We are all beta testers now.

    It's not just Apple. Microsloth and Adobe also continually release
    updates for their software. It's pretty much the new fad, especially
    since you can't actually buy install disks any longer and the internat
    makes it so easy to get updates.

    Some, including Microsloth and Apple with their office apps, are now
    trying to push everyone into using crappy online versions instead so
    that updates can be done at their end.

    Yep, I hate it. :(
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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, February 28, 2021 14:13:41
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    Living in a developing country with limited bandwidth but a Mac
    household I can't download a Combo Update any more (using wget -c
    so I can pick up if interrupted) and then install on all machines,
    no, now I have to load the update 6 times, and it it gets interrupted
    it starts from Zero.

    Otherwise, no problem :-)-O

    el

    On 2021-02-27 06:24 , Ant wrote:
    briang@panix.com wrote:
    I don't particularly consider myself a rabid early adopter, but I updated to >> 11.2.1 when it came out. Google Chrome and Roccat didn't take that well at >> all, hanging up in seconds. Anything relying on external communications was >> flakey at best. The Brave browser, however, seemed OK so I knew it was
    software, not hardware.

    11.2.2 seems to have fixed all that.

    Having done Software Q/A for a few years, I am willing to believe that Apple is
    quite deficient in that area!

    It's not just Apple too. Look at Microsoft, Google, etc. :(


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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, February 28, 2021 13:42:32
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    In message <ia1fnoFim6eU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    Living in a developing country with limited bandwidth but a Mac
    household I can't download a Combo Update any more (using wget -c
    so I can pick up if interrupted) and then install on all machines,
    no, now I have to load the update 6 times, and it it gets interrupted
    it starts from Zero.

    Software update works very well, and you can setup a mac on your LAN to
    keep updates that are then available for other machines, so you do not
    need to download the update multiple times.

    Someone else (lost do to dumbass top posting garbage)
    Having done Software Q/A for a few years, I am willing to believe that Apple is
    quite deficient in that area!

    There is no possible way to test such that more than 100,000,000 users
    will not run into unexpected bugs; especially not with third party
    software, and most especially not with exceedingly shitty third party
    software like Google. Chrome.

    It's not just Apple too. Look at Microsoft, Google, etc. :(

    Software is very very complex, much more so that it was even a decade
    ago, and orders of magnitude more than 20 years ago.

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  • From Dr Eberhard W Lisse@nospam@lisse.NA to comp.sys.mac.system on Sunday, February 28, 2021 17:11:04
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    Cool,

    where can I read that up?

    el

    On 2021-02-28 15:42 , Lewis wrote:
    In message <ia1fnoFim6eU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
    [...]
    Software update works very well, and you can setup a mac on your LAN to
    keep updates that are then available for other machines, so you do not
    need to download the update multiple times.
    [...]
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  • From briang@briang@panix.com (Brian Gordon) to comp.sys.mac.system on Monday, March 01, 2021 00:15:58
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    In article <s1f011$1lk2$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
    Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2021-02-26 at 15:48:01 MST, "briang@panix.com" <briang@panix.com> wrote:

    Having done Software Q/A for a few years, I am willing to believe that Apple >> is
    quite deficient in that area!

    We are all beta testers now.


    Yes, the "MicroSoft model". For years, I thought Apple was better than that :-( This update was the first I've seen in a long time that broke a lot of previously stable stuff. Any SQA setup would have stumbled onto that on day one.
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  • From ant@ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, March 02, 2021 00:36:11
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    Brian Gordon <briang@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <s1f011$1lk2$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
    Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 2021-02-26 at 15:48:01 MST, "briang@panix.com" <briang@panix.com> wrote:

    Having done Software Q/A for a few years, I am willing to believe that Apple
    is
    quite deficient in that area!

    We are all beta testers now.


    Yes, the "MicroSoft model". For years, I thought Apple was better than that :-( This update was the first I've seen in a long time that broke a lot of previously stable stuff. Any SQA setup would have stumbled onto that on day one.

    Yep. Companies don't care about QA these days. I used to be a SQA tester. :(
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  • From Lewis@g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me to comp.sys.mac.system on Tuesday, March 02, 2021 12:09:33
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    In message <P6mdnTR4V7xGQaD9nZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    Yep. Companies don't care about QA these days.

    Nonsense.

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