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I have run a 2014 Mini with Thunderbolt display since, well, 2014. It was a 8/250 setup. For no reason at all, I started really wanting a M1 Mini, and it arrived a couple of days ago. It is a 16/500 model. I also got a Thunderbolt to USB4 cable and a USB to USB4 cable, just in case. I do run Time Machine.
To get the new Mini up and running and looking just like the old Mini took
two hours. Thankfully, I had a wired keyboard and mouse hanging around. Everything ended up looking just the same. I did update both Minis to 11.2.2 which took another thirty minutes apiece.
I made a couple of minor errors in the changeover. I ended up resetting my user password using the admin account because of misreading a code that I was told to save during setup, and when setting up my wireless keyboard, I kept typing in the bluetooth access code on the wired keyboard until the lightbulb went off in my head.
Other than that, the whole experience was a snap. Thanks, Time Machine! Everything just worked. Oh...one more thing. I only had about 125 Gigs of
data to transfer. YMMV.
Last thing, Bluetooth clearly has better range.

leo

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In message <0001HW.25EB135B0029BDCB30A37538F@News.Individual.Net> Leo <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I have run a 2014 Mini with Thunderbolt display since, well, 2014. It was a 8/250 setup. For no reason at all, I started really wanting a M1 Mini, and it
arrived a couple of days ago. It is a 16/500 model. I also got a Thunderbolt to USB4 cable

What? All Macs with TB3 that are running Big Sur are compatible with
USB-4 and the so-called "Thunderbolt 4". Any TB3 cable on a Big Sur Mac
is also compatible with USB-4. Not all USB-C cables are Thunderbolt 3,
of course.

and a USB to USB4 cable

What is a USB to USB-4 cable?

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Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

In message <0001HW.25EB135B0029BDCB30A37538F@News.Individual.Net> Leo <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I have run a 2014 Mini with Thunderbolt display since, well, 2014. It was a
8/250 setup. For no reason at all, I started really wanting a M1 Mini, and it
arrived a couple of days ago. It is a 16/500 model. I also got a Thunderbolt
to USB4 cable

What? All Macs with TB3 that are running Big Sur are compatible with
USB-4 and the so-called "Thunderbolt 4". Any TB3 cable on a Big Sur Mac
is also compatible with USB-4. Not all USB-C cables are Thunderbolt 3,
of course.

and a USB to USB4 cable

What is a USB to USB-4 cable?

Probably an USB->Thunderbolt/USB-C adapter.
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Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

In message <0001HW.25EB135B0029BDCB30A37538F@News.Individual.Net> Leo <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I have run a 2014 Mini with Thunderbolt display since, well, 2014. It was a
8/250 setup. For no reason at all, I started really wanting a M1 Mini, and it
arrived a couple of days ago. It is a 16/500 model. I also got a Thunderbolt
to USB4 cable

What? All Macs with TB3 that are running Big Sur are compatible with
USB-4 and the so-called "Thunderbolt 4". Any TB3 cable on a Big Sur Mac
is also compatible with USB-4. Not all USB-C cables are Thunderbolt 3,
of course.

and a USB to USB4 cable

What is a USB to USB-4 cable?

Probably an USB->Thunderbolt/USB-C adapter.

No such thing.


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On 2021 Feb 28, , Lewis wrote
(in article <slrns3n7o1.1eel.g.kreme@m1mini.local>):

What? All Macs with TB3 that are running Big Sur are compatible with
USB-4 and the so-called "Thunderbolt 4". Any TB3 cable on a Big Sur Mac
is also compatible with USB-4. Not all USB-C cables are Thunderbolt 3, of course.

All this newfangled nomenclature! And I got it wrong. Whatever Thunderbolt displays use to connect to the little oblong ports in the new Mini is what I got to plug in the display.

and a USB to USB4 cable

What is a USB to USB-4 cable?

Duck lips to the little oblong hole port. I used the two provided duck lips ports on the new Mini for the keyboard and mouse and the duck lips to oblong port adaptor to run my old duck lips Time Machine drive. It turns out that I like saying duck lips, and both adaptors were useful/needed for the way I upgraded.


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In message <0001HW.25ED2CA90058254F30983538F@News.Individual.Net> Leo <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 2021 Feb 28, , Lewis wrote
(in article <slrns3n7o1.1eel.g.kreme@m1mini.local>):

What? All Macs with TB3 that are running Big Sur are compatible with
USB-4 and the so-called "Thunderbolt 4". Any TB3 cable on a Big Sur Mac
is also compatible with USB-4. Not all USB-C cables are Thunderbolt 3, of course.

All this newfangled nomenclature! And I got it wrong. Whatever Thunderbolt displays use to connect to the little oblong ports in the new Mini is what I got to plug in the display.

And that could be a USB-C to USB-C cable, and HDMI to USB-C, a Display
Port to Thunderbolt, or several other possible combinations.

and a USB to USB4 cable

What is a USB to USB-4 cable?

Duck lips to the little oblong hole port. I used the two provided duck lips ports on the new Mini for the keyboard and mouse and the duck lips to oblong port adaptor to run my old duck lips Time Machine drive. It turns out that I like saying duck lips, and both adaptors were useful/needed for the way I upgraded.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but you seem to be confusing
several different things.

There are USB-A USB-B and USB-C PORTS and CONNECTORS (and some
variations of USB-A and USB-B). USB-A is the most common connector and
port, and is good up to 10Gps connections, I believe, but most USB-3
(and possibly all USB-A connectors?) devices max out at 5Gbps. USB-B is
used for things like printers, cameras, kindle charger ports, and such.
USB-C is a smaller connector and is (finally) reversible. It can carry
up to 40Gbps and Display Port video and basically anything at all,
including PCI bus).

There are also various USB standards for connectivity and speed, given
various changing and confusing names over the ears, but generally called
by real people USB 1 (really 1.1) USB 2, USB 3, USB 3.2 and the new USB 4.

The USB moron cleverly renamed everything "USB 3" last year, causing
nothing but confusion and chaos, as was their intention.

There are also three types of Thunderbolt. -1 and -2 use the Mini-Display
port connector, and TB-3 uses the USB-C connector.

Thunderbolt 3 is NOT the same as USB-3, despite using the same
connector, but TB-3 carries USB as well. Confuses yet? So is everyone
else.

Thunderbolt 3 *on the Mac* has always supported all of the features of
TB-3, unlike TB-3 on Wintel machines which generally only support
random-ish subsets of TB-3, leading to much more confusion than normal especially when you thrown USB into the mix.

Big Sur Macs with TB-3 ports have been upgraded to support the full spec
of USB-4.

USB-4 is Thunderbolt 3 with FULL support for all features required
(ending the bullshit on windows) as well as some new features, most
prominently supporting hubbing for USB-4.

So, I have a USB-4 hub which plugs into a single USB-C port on my
computer and provide 3 "downstream" USB-C ports, all of which are fully Thunderbolt 3 compatible.

"Thunderbolt 4" is a marketing term for Windows machines that finally
support all of Thunderbolt 3's feature to distinguish them from the
previous machines with only limited and partial support.

TB-3 is compatible with TB-1 and TB-2 devices, but you will need a
dongle to account for the MDP connector. I currently have a TB-2 disk
array (an old Drobo) connected to a USB-4 hub with a TB-2 to TB-3
adaptor.

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On 2021 Mar 1, , Lewis wrote
(in article <slrns3q0bd.10p3.g.kreme@m1mini.local>):

I have no idea what you are talking about, but you seem to be confusing several different things.

Yeah, I just looked at the USB section in "About This Mac", and am even
more confused than I was. Luckily, I bought:
one Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 adapter to connect the old Thunderbolt display
one USB-C to USB adapter to connect the old OWC Envoy for Time Machine
I could plug the Envoy into one of the old-style USB ports now, I think :-)
But things are working fine. I seem to remember that you bought a M1 Mini earlier. I got jealous.
My original point was that the transition from a seven year old Mac Mini to a completely new architecture was painless. Two adapters, the newest Mini, and
of course, Time Machine.
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