• iMac questions

    From Lyndon@lyndon@someisp.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, March 19, 2021 12:24:50
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    I have been given my wife's 2008 iMac with 4 gb ram. I actually have
    some good uses planned for it!

    I want to partition the drive 3 ways with Snow Leopard on one partition
    El Capitan or less on another and a third drive.

    So, question, can you put all of your apps on the third partition with
    alias to the applications folder on each of the systems on the other partitions?

    Thanks,
    Lyndon
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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, March 19, 2021 12:36:53
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    In article <lyndon-E00344.12245019032021@pppoe-94.136.209.74.ttel.ru>,
    Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:

    I have been given my wife's 2008 iMac with 4 gb ram. I actually have
    some good uses planned for it!

    I want to partition the drive 3 ways with Snow Leopard on one partition
    El Capitan or less on another and a third drive.

    why?

    if you need snow leopard, run it in a virtual machine.

    So, question, can you put all of your apps on the third partition with
    alias to the applications folder on each of the systems on the other partitions?

    you can, but that's not a good idea.
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  • From Lyndon@lyndon@someisp.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, March 19, 2021 13:35:36
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    In article <190320211236532498%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <lyndon-E00344.12245019032021@pppoe-94.136.209.74.ttel.ru>,
    Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:

    I have been given my wife's 2008 iMac with 4 gb ram. I actually have
    some good uses planned for it!

    I want to partition the drive 3 ways with Snow Leopard on one partition
    El Capitan or less on another and a third drive.

    why?
    if you need snow leopard, run it in a virtual machine.

    Many applications no longer run well from Lion onward.

    So, question, can you put all of your apps on the third partition with alias to the applications folder on each of the systems on the other partitions?

    you can, but that's not a good idea.

    What would happen that makes it not a good idea?

    Lyndon
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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, March 19, 2021 13:52:20
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    In article <lyndon-4FB724.13353619032021@pppoe-94.136.209.74.ttel.ru>,
    Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:

    I have been given my wife's 2008 iMac with 4 gb ram. I actually have some good uses planned for it!

    I want to partition the drive 3 ways with Snow Leopard on one partition El Capitan or less on another and a third drive.

    why?
    if you need snow leopard, run it in a virtual machine.

    Many applications no longer run well from Lion onward.

    not many, and it's long overdue to replace them.

    but if you must, use snow leopard in a virtual machine, although with
    only 4gb memory, that's not going to be a great experience. even just
    using el capitan directly won't be great either.

    So, question, can you put all of your apps on the third partition with alias to the applications folder on each of the systems on the other partitions?

    you can, but that's not a good idea.

    What would happen that makes it not a good idea?

    you will need different versions of many apps, one for snow leopard and
    another for el capitan. mixing the two in one folder is guaranteed to
    cause problems.

    many apps expect to be in the applications folder of the boot drive,
    with some even moving themselves there after being launched. stock apps
    plus ones from the app store must be there. an alias will probably
    break things because the update mechanism relies on hardcoded paths and
    unix knows nothing about aliases. a soft or hard link might work a bit
    better, although it will probably have problems too.
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  • From Wade Garrett@wade@cooler.net to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, March 19, 2021 14:35:38
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    On 3/19/21 12:24 PM, Lyndon wrote:
    I have been given my wife's 2008 iMac with 4 gb ram. I actually have
    some good uses planned for it!

    I want to partition the drive 3 ways with Snow Leopard on one partition
    El Capitan or less on another and a third drive.

    So, question, can you put all of your apps on the third partition with
    alias to the applications folder on each of the systems on the other partitions?

    Thanks,
    Lyndon

    Why, for Pete's sake, would you want to do that to your machine and
    yourself ;-)

    I always get a real chuckle when I hear about folks wanting to jerry-rig
    an obsolete device and try to make it do stuff its creators never
    imagined- and which are probably well beyond its design capability.

    --
    Cable repairman was on my street and asked me what time it was. I told
    him it was between 8:00 AM and 1:00 PM
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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, March 20, 2021 08:49:32
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    On 2021-03-19 16:24:50 +0000, Lyndon said:

    I have been given my wife's 2008 iMac with 4 gb ram. I actually have
    some good uses planned for it!

    I want to partition the drive 3 ways with Snow Leopard on one partition
    El Capitan or less on another and a third drive.

    I haven't checked, but assuming that model is able to run Snow Leopard
    and El Captian, the only problem might be if El Capitan insists on
    using the new AFPS disk format and if Snow Leopard doesn't like it.



    So, question, can you put all of your apps on the third partition with
    alias to the applications folder on each of the systems on the other partitions?

    Not really. Many apps will likely need different versions to run in the separate macOS versions, so you may as well keep them on the system
    partition they belong to.

    Probably better to use that third partition for your own-created
    documents, but again there might issues if APFS is a problem.

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  • From Wolffan@akwolffan@zoho.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, March 19, 2021 19:50:12
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    On 2021 Mar19, Lyndon wrote
    (in article<lyndon-E00344.12245019032021@pppoe-94.136.209.74.ttel.ru>):

    I have been given my wife's 2008 iMac with 4 gb ram.

    you can get 6 GB (one 2 GB stick, one 4 GB stick) on those machines if you try. 8 GB will not work. I forget if it’s the front slot or the back slot which has to get the 4 GB stick, but as there’s just two choices it should be easy to work out.
    I actually have
    some good uses planned for it!

    I want to partition the drive 3 ways with Snow Leopard on one partition
    El Capitan or less on another and a third drive.

    bad idea.

    The built-in hard drive ranged from 250 GB, a.k.a. not really enough to do anything serious with El Cap, to 750 GB. a.k.a. El Cap will run out of space Real Soon Now. Building three partitions will be... problematical. Worse, the version of Disk Utility which shipped at the time really hates putting more than two partitions on a physical drive. It can be done, it’s just
    annoying.

    The simple solution? Use the internal drive for Snow Leo, boot El Cap off an external drive.


    So, question, can you put all of your apps on the third partition

    bad idea. Put the Snow Leo apps in the Snow Leo drive and the El Cap apps in the El Cap drive. Warning: ion some cases the newer versions of some apps (Apple’s own iWork apps, MS Office, anything Adobe, just for starters) may attempt to launch anyway. You might need to change names and enforce discipline.

    with
    alias to the applications folder on each of the systems on the other partitions?

    using aliases will create a mess.


    Thanks,
    Lyndon


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  • From Wolffan@akwolffan@zoho.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, March 19, 2021 19:51:14
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    On 2021 Mar19, Your Name wrote
    (in article <s32v8a$7v9$1@gioia.aioe.org>):

    On 2021-03-19 16:24:50 +0000, Lyndon said:

    I have been given my wife's 2008 iMac with 4 gb ram. I actually have
    some good uses planned for it!

    I want to partition the drive 3 ways with Snow Leopard on one partition
    El Capitan or less on another and a third drive.

    I haven't checked, but assuming that model is able to run Snow Leopard
    and El Captian, the only problem might be if El Capitan insists on
    using the new AFPS disk format and if Snow Leopard doesn't like it.

    APFS was a 10.13 thing, not a 10.11 thing. El Cap can’t do APFS.


    So, question, can you put all of your apps on the third partition with alias to the applications folder on each of the systems on the other partitions?

    Not really. Many apps will likely need different versions to run in the separate macOS versions, so you may as well keep them on the system
    partition they belong to.

    Probably better to use that third partition for your own-created
    documents, but again there might issues if APFS is a problem.


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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, March 20, 2021 13:34:38
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    On 2021-03-19 23:51:14 +0000, Wolffan said:
    On 2021 Mar19, Your Name wrote
    (in article <s32v8a$7v9$1@gioia.aioe.org>):
    On 2021-03-19 16:24:50 +0000, Lyndon said:

    I have been given my wife's 2008 iMac with 4 gb ram. I actually have
    some good uses planned for it!

    I want to partition the drive 3 ways with Snow Leopard on one partition
    El Capitan or less on another and a third drive.

    I haven't checked, but assuming that model is able to run Snow Leopard
    and El Captian, the only problem might be if El Capitan insists on
    using the new AFPS disk format and if Snow Leopard doesn't like it.

    APFS was a 10.13 thing, not a 10.11 thing. El Cap can't do APFS.

    You're half right. APSF was introduced with 10.12, although only for
    SSDs at that time.

    I was getting the meaningless codenames mixed up again. Apple *really*
    needs to stick to the version numbers and just ditch the stupid
    codenames. :-(


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  • From nospam@nospam@nospam.invalid to comp.sys.mac.system on Friday, March 19, 2021 20:45:40
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    In article <s33fur$181q$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
    <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    I want to partition the drive 3 ways with Snow Leopard on one partition >>> El Capitan or less on another and a third drive.

    I haven't checked, but assuming that model is able to run Snow Leopard
    and El Captian, the only problem might be if El Capitan insists on
    using the new AFPS disk format and if Snow Leopard doesn't like it.

    APFS was a 10.13 thing, not a 10.11 thing. El Cap can't do APFS.

    You're half right. APSF was introduced with 10.12, although only for
    SSDs at that time.

    still wrong.

    I was getting the meaningless codenames mixed up again. Apple *really*
    needs to stick to the version numbers and just ditch the stupid
    codenames. :-(

    apple uses both.
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  • From Lyndon@lyndon@someisp.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Saturday, March 20, 2021 16:15:04
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.system

    In article <lyndon-E00344.12245019032021@pppoe-94.136.209.74.ttel.ru>,
    Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:

    I have been given my wife's 2008 iMac with 4 gb ram. I actually have
    some good uses planned for it!

    I want to partition the drive 3 ways with Snow Leopard on one partition
    El Capitan or less on another and a third drive.

    So, question, can you put all of your apps on the third partition with
    alias to the applications folder on each of the systems on the other partitions?

    Thanks,
    Lyndon

    Thanks for all the help and info. I believe I will just keep it as a SnowLeopard machine and not partition the drive. Would be the simplest solution.

    The machine currently is running el capitan.

    Lyndon
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  • From Fishrrman@Fishrrman2000@yahoo.com to comp.sys.mac.system on Monday, March 22, 2021 23:10:42
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    On 3/19/21 12:24 PM, Lyndon wrote:
    So, question, can you put all of your apps on the third partition with
    alias to the applications folder on each of the systems on the other partitions?

    I'd let each boot volume have its own applications in its
    respective applications folder.

    This uses more disk space, of course.
    But... probably fewer problems in the long run.
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